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12:00 AM
@CaptainGiraffe I should probably reread those--I remember a whale, but not a cow.
 
@JerryCoffin precise should also be applicable.
@JerryCoffin Thanks. I did not realise that.
 
@JerryCoffin Lighting your face is child abuse
 
@Puppy Well, it would be if you then forced some poor child to actually look at my ugly mug...
 
I admit that there also needs to be a child viewing it at the time
 
@Borgleader Remind me tomorrow. I'm in the middle of moving my main computer right now. And I don't have my screenshot program installed anywhere else.
 
@Ven WTF. You're... in school?
 
Ven
@sehe Why yes?
 
Surprised. You know too much. How old are you - roughly? I expected you to be... >=24 or so
 
Ven
I've been 22 for... ~3months by now. Guess I'll take this as a compliment, so, thanks.
 
Generally meant as a compliment. Let's just say, most studists don't strike me as informed and ... responsible :)
Somehow I had always assumed you know to much/don't complain enough to be a student :)
 
Ven
12:35 AM
I spend too much time chatting with rightfold to be called responsible :P.
 
I'll concede that
 
Ven
If that's anything, I'm a co-opt student, so that's half my student outside school. :)
 
See :)
@Puppy have you looked on the inside?
 
OMG I'M SO EXCITED
We're going to put the first REPL of shaka-scheme together!
 
no
 
12:45 AM
@fredoverflow Very interesting stuff. Thanks
@Puppy I rest my case
 
@jaggedSpire warning
 
oh goodness
 
its paws are so tiny
 
its whiskers so cute
 
1:00 AM
@Borgleader Ew.
 
1:19 AM
Met the mother of 2 (peacock) chicks at a cafe in Launceston yesterday
Y we no having moar chickens in parks!!!
 
Ell
they're very nice birds
 
@Borgleader hey
 
1:34 AM
@jaggedSpire I wanna sleep on that rug amongst the fluffballs
 
Good morning.
@AldwinCheung Fuck, just saw you in a top comment in YT.
 
1:50 AM
that gotta put you off your breakfast
 
Are you sure it's the same person? There are many people sharing the same names ...
 
He better not be talking shit about Railroad Tycoon
 
2:36 AM
Its 9:30 on a Friday night, whats everybody up to?
 
Gotta get down to the bus stop
 
@Mikhail Watching hilarious videos of ME: Andromeda animations.
 
@Mikhail It's Sat early afternoon & I just got back from my wildness holiday
so yeah, unfortunately you will likely to be stuck with me every day for the next two months since I will not go to any no reception area soon
 
2:59 AM
@MarkGarcia lol what
hubert probably?
 
Yeah, the crazy old man.
 
3:11 AM
saw some of these in Tasmania, they are like kangaroos/wallabies, but smaller
size of a median sized dog
 
3:39 AM
@jaggedSpire hullo
 
@Borgleader is he trying to dress up as a boxer? :o
 
Or he's just a fluffy gift <3
 
So these are LLVM filenames: LegalizeDAG.cpp, LegalizeFloatTypes.cpp, LegalizeIntegerTypes.cpp, LegalizeTypes.cpp, LegalizeTypesGeneric.cpp, LegalizeVectorOps.cpp, LegalizeVectorTypes.cpp
 
uh
I wan't aware those were controlled substances
 
3:53 AM
Some people just need their Type fix.
 
00010 // This file implements integer type expansion and promotion for LegalizeTypes.
00011 // Promotion is the act of changing a computation in an illegal type into a
00012 // computation in a larger type. For example, implementing i8 arithmetic in an
00013 // i32 register (often needed on powerpc).
00014 // Expansion is the act of changing a computation in an illegal type into a
00015 // computation in two identical registers of a smaller type. For example,
00016 // implementing i64 arithmetic in two i32 registers (often needed on 32-bit targets).
Image processing must have sucked on PPC, I wonder why people said PPC was good for image editing? Was it because they were dirty hipsters?
 
@Mikhail Getting on high registers. Getting high on registers.
 
 
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6:26 AM
Ah, computer setup at my new place.
Only took like 6 hours to move it.
 
6:48 AM
yes, we know you are a slow person, no need to re-emphasize your 'competency'
 
7:23 AM
@Telkitty If you have a problem with that, then you should flag it for moderator attention.
 
why bother flagging and waiting for a moderator when you can just speak with a CM?
 
@Telkitty If that's easier for you, then please go complain to a CM.
 
I mean, that thinking is what takes you 6 hours to set up your computer
 
@Telkitty If you think that's too long, then please go complain to a CM.
 
of course your computer should be the one complaining not me
 
7:32 AM
@Telkitty If that bothers you then please flag for moderator attention.
 
bot mysticia almost past turing test
 
@Telkitty If that's an issue for then please flag for moderator attention.
 
7:47 AM
Hello, plusplus guys
 
 
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Ven
9:21 AM
Hi
 
Xeo
10:13 AM
Lol Kitty trying to annoy Mysticial
 
@Xeo Because ( @Telkitty ) She likes him( @Mysticial )
 
nwp
ping @everyone
 
@ProblemSlover the way a cat likes a rat
 
@Telkitty looks like this is real love :P
 
Ven
10:37 AM
@nwp hi @here
 
Ven
wtf.
 
Xeo
Hm, do we have a canonical "most vexing parse" duplicate question somewhere?
 
nwp
11:00 AM
I might have some success with my bikeshedding. To write my paper thing I need a custom compiler, so I need to modify clang a bit, for which I generated the documentation which is not available online. But I was missing out on search, so I'm indexing with xapian-omega which might allow me to start working. Soon™.
 
11:22 AM
morning
 
11:55 AM
@MarkGarcia I can quit any time I want
 
@LucDanton You might want to ease the transition. Tried dynamic typing?
 
yes but it made me vomit
 
You're hopeless then.
 
12:17 PM
@Mysticial so how's your matrix cave?
 
Xeo
@MarkGarcia There's gradual untyping for that.
Take a language that has gradual (both dynamic and static) typing, start out with full static typing, and then gradually remove all your types.
 
Oh, right.
Luc might be okay with small vomits in the mouth every now and then.
 
you can’t substitute the good stuff
 
nwp
@Xeo c++ type erasure?
 
@nwp No. Gradually reimplement your current codebase with node, with interfaces to the remaining C++ parts.
 
12:32 PM
hmm
let's say you have a parent which listens to mouse events, and renders one of two children, both of which also respond to mouse events, and the parent toggles between them when the mouse event is triggered
what should happen when you trigger the mouse event?
am currently thinking that the parent's update should take precedence, so the parent's mouse event is triggered and then the parent re-renders and then the rendered child's mouse event is triggered
 
@Puppy this is how window messages on WIN32 work yes
 
nwp
Typically only the child receives the mouse event when it happens on the child client area, unless the child doesn't handle that event, then it is propagated to the parent.
 
@Puppy Make event bubbling do its thing first?
 
I don't currently have any form of event bubbling
 
What are you working on?
 
12:36 PM
a gui thingy based on Direct2D
 
lol, I am starting a project like that too
 
@Puppy use signals
 
I currently do use signals but I am looking to get rid of them
I'm overhauling it so that all the things are immutable instead of only the top-level things, so that I can run layouts and stuff on a background thread
 
@Puppy hmm sounds like you need some sort of promise/futureish thing
 
I have one
 
12:40 PM
@Puppy AFAIK, browsers run events first then batches the DOM changes (for rendering) after finishing or hitting some condition.
 
the trouble is that if I run the update on the background thread without making all the things immutable, then the user is in the shit because they're trying to use this mutable thing whilst I am mutating it for the updates
 
@Puppy actually, if you give each callback it's own surface then you don't need to worry about threading. if you use a single surface then ordering and clipping matters
 
surfaces have nothing to do with it
I'm talking about stuff like instances of user-defined components
 
Xeo
@Puppy That's what you'd usually use
or that's how I've always seen it done, anyways
 
@Xeo I guess that my current line of thinking is basically event bubbling (downwards from parent to child), the question is whether or not I should re-render and use the new child, or the old child
 
12:46 PM
That's... backwards.
 
Xeo
event goes as far down as possible (while triggering preview events), is then handled at the target, which can disallow bubbling up if necessary
 
It's easier to reason if you go child to parent.
 
only if the child still exists
the parent might be about to erase it from existence in its own event handler
 
Xeo
I may hate AS3, but I thought this worked reasonably well
 
If the child already handled its thing then when the event hits the parent it won't have to worry about anything.
 
12:49 PM
that's not necessarily true
if you imagine a parent which has a child that is partially occluding it, the parent may have semantics for clicking on the space where the child isn't
 
Xeo
which is perfectly reasonable
but the event won't even hit the child in that case
 
yep
 
oh, if the child intervened to stop propagation
 
Well that's the library user's problem. :)
 
Xeo
check my link to see the flow that I'm using as the background for my arguments
 
12:51 PM
I did check it
 
Xeo
Unreal does a similar thing
 
seems kinda.. coupled to me
the parent only works if the child stops propagation
 
Xeo
and each event handler in the bubbling phase can say "handled it, stop bubbling"
wut
 
or a parent that wants all events won't work if the child does stop propagation
 
Xeo
that's a shitty UI impl on user side then
not your problem
 
12:52 PM
Maybe the child has reasons. :)
 
Xeo
if you want all events, there's also the "preview" / "capture" phase
 
hmm
 
Event bubbling is actually quite elegant in that it's easy to reason with. If you encounter a bug where the parent isn't getting an event then you're sure that some child is blocking it.
 
ok, so let's say that the parent receives a handler from its own parent, which it passes to the child
 
Xeo
what kinda handler are we talking here
 
12:54 PM
what should happen when the child invokes this, which causes an update such that the parent (and the child) no longer exist?
 
You could totally disallow that behavior.
 
I guess that it doesn't necessarily solve the problem anyway since in my own current approach, that would still be a problem.
 
If something is done where the parent is somehow affected then it should be done only at the parent's (or its ancestors') handlers.
 
that sounds pretty painful
like, I want to add a button that has a click handler but I can't because the click event changes me?
 
A node can change its own state and its children's, but children shouldn't have a way to change the parent's state (through things like callbacks).
Caveat: I haven't actually encountered this convention in any UI system though.
 
1:00 PM
I don't see how you can implement even the simplest of controls in that case (e.g. button)
hmm
perhaps in this case, immutability could be the rescue as well
 
The button can always propagate other events on its own.
 
I could simply say that I ignore all tree changes, and then batch them all, so that you effectively cannot change the tree during event handling.
 
Ah.
Here's the thing.
You could separate event handling which comes from the user (externally) and have a different "layer" of communication for children communicating with parents (or vice versa, I think).
 
that kinda is the same solution really
 
Have you tried React?
It's pretty cool.
 
1:04 PM
yes, extensively
in fact that's pretty much what I'm looking to do here
 
Yeah. :D
 
hmm
now trying to figure out how the fuck I will apply the updates
 
@Puppy Well, attach a click event listener to a control, then it's a button! You could go further. Like those buttons with drop-down thingies inside them. If you click the drop-down trigger part then you simply have to bubble up an event, expecting the parent to handle it. Then the parent could add to itself the drop-down control.
 
@MarkGarcia I don't see how attaching a click event listener to a control is any different to just passing that control a callback to be called when it is clicked
 
That's an implementation detail, I think. As long as you stick with the event bubbling convention.
 
1:16 PM
yes, an implementation detail I'm trying to figure out ;p
 
The thing you want to ensure here is that children can't be modifying state above them (their ancestors).
 
since the tree is immutable I no longer care
 
I see.
@Puppy Browsers have it easy with mutable DOM though. So they just do a read pass on the DOM once they need to render.
 
hmm
user-defined components make this awkward since they need to be able to access their "current" state at basically arbitrary times, but they don't really have a well-defined "current" state anymore
 
You could have internal (mutable) and external (immutable) states, sort of like in React.
 
1:23 PM
that's what I had
but then you run into the whole issue with multiple threads trying to use the same internal mutable state at the same time
 
@Puppy But then, if it's user-defined, then it's pretty much free-for-all for what it should do to its internal states right? Your only concern would just be external states and other contracts it does with your side.
 
not entirely
I need to do things like react to state changes to re-render
 
Then those are for external states. It's okay if they duplicate/surface their internal state to/through an external state.
 
think what I should do is offer an async GetState function
 
That's an implementation detail. :)
 
1:31 PM
or probably WithState since I want to ensure certain properties
no, as public interface
 
I mean, your library's convention. Your call.
 
 
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Is MSVC 2017's <filesystem> on track with C++17?
It's still inside std::experimental like before.
 
4:08 PM
I'm inside yout kom
yourmom
fuck
 
Xeo
Go to bed, man
 
@AldwinCheung who hacked you tonight my man
 
drinking in soho
come out and i might consider not ignorigb you
 
soho?.. oh man
@AldwinCheung sorry man.. My gf gonna own me tonight in Sheung Wan :/
 
4:27 PM
rofl straight peppel
grbage
 
@AldwinCheung Yeah./ that's why I never code C++.P.S fukl you drunk mothcfker
 
4:47 PM
@AldwinCheung keep me updated about your drinking progress
I moiht come later
 
Xeo
5:22 PM
@StackedCrooked @Mysticial mmmh, that Evil Loli episode...
 
5:33 PM
I have:
some_folder
  /src
  /prj
and I'm trying to store files source files in /src, but every time i add it to the WPF/C# solution, it copies them in /prj
is there any way to have it not do that?
I doesn't do that for C++ idk wtf is up with that
 
5:47 PM
fixed it
 
You could stop using VS, for a start
 
 
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7:01 PM
recently I've been eating a lot of uncooked shortbread dough
 
7:11 PM
that sounds like you are winning at life
 
lol
why?
 
because who doesn't want to eat lots of confection dough?
 
true
unfortunately the one I just ate was more like a porridge, I didn't have enough flour and made it with more sugar instead, not so good
 
7:31 PM
aw
 
Ell
> Figure 1.4 Commu-nication between a pair of threads running concurrently in a single process
that's a weird hyphenation
 
8:07 PM
Guessing something unmanuallylinebroken
 
Ell
I want one of these dev.sifive.com/dev-kits
the HiFive1
 
Ah it's C++. Hello C++.
 
 
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9:42 PM
6791
 
Ell
6792
 
Ro48-6791 is a drug, an imidazobenzodiazepine derivative developed by Hoffman-LaRoche in the 1990s. Ro48-6791 was developed as an alternative to the short-acting imidazobenzodiazepine midazolam, for use in induction of anaesthesia and conscious sedation for minor invasive procedures. Ro48-6791 has properties similar to those of to midazolam, being water-soluble, with a fast onset and short duration of action. It is 4-6x more potent than midazolam, and slightly shorter acting, and produces similar side effects such as sedation and amnesia. It was tested up to Phase II human trials, but while it...
 
@Ell how dutiful of you. Just the other day, a typical Lounge response would have been "9367".
Or "19210", even
 
Ell
I'm missing something
 
I'm really happy to see the new executive directive is working out.
 
9:44 PM
@sehe 13582 would be a better one
 
2 days ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Let's tone down the randomness [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
Ell
Oh of course :P
 
@набиячлэвэли Don't push it. You know how we feel about randomness.
@набиячлэвэли That is better. I stand corrected. Squarely non-random
 
@sehe I'd paste 6791^6791 here too but it's too bloody big
 
9:46 PM
Again, can't argue with that
 
@sehe N I C E P U N F A M
 
N O P R O B S
@набиячлэвэли You can approximate it with (1 Google)²²⁰.²³
 
10:20 PM
damn
won a 1h game of Starcraft 2
the other guy had only Thors left and I had only creep tumours, but I won because he could not kill them fast enough and eventually left the game
 
rofl
 
the power of just not leaving the game
 
I just realized i havent played SC2 in like 6 months
 
Ven
@Borgleader BAD
 
11:12 PM
> Its threequel
threequel? that's a thing now?
 
@Puppy the word "threequel" has been around for at least 25 years
 
Ell
11:29 PM
it's the first time I've heard it
 
user1804599
@Ven Fallout has RadAway. Lounge has BadAway.
 
Ven
@Puppy lol
the fact creep tumors count as units is... weird
I gather he also had a CC or a raven?
 
11:54 PM
@Ven Buildings
he had a CC to scan shit but they don't really regenerate energy very fast and the whole map was mined out
 
Ven
oh, the creep tumors are also revealed
meching terran?
 
I had a bunch of mutas
it was a base race
for some reason he decided that that heavy anti-armour no-splash mode was the best against 50 mutas
 
Ven
ô.o that's really stupid, considering how badly thors counter mutas otherwise
he probably left auto-switch on
 

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