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2:00 AM
I'm talking about llvm's SmallVector
 
I won't even be surprised if they decide to never support it in the kernel. (i.e. impossible to use AVX512 on Windows, period)
AVX512 doesn't exist in Microsoft's vocabulary. The only place it exists on a Microsoft-owned domain are on forums and feature requests from users to add support for it.
 
@Mikhail Why not Boost.SmallVector?
 
Oh for compiling with CUDA.
Just write your own? It's fairly trivial
 
@Mysticial I think we talked about this last week. They got this problem that the current kernel support for AVX doesn't distinguish between different even AVX1 and AVX2 (unlike linux) which means that they have to push the whole stack, which I assume is going to be an even bigger performance problem when going to AVX512.
 
2:03 AM
Hi guys good morning.
specially @Mikhail @jaggedSpire
 
@AldwinCheung njuffa is an Nvidia shill right :-)
 
Hmm... Newegg didn't ship my order out today. But they are shipping from Indiana. Still don't know if it'll arrive by Thursday or even Friday.
 
guys i am in lot of trouble. I really need help. If someone have any kind of project please offer me.
for example: qt, c++, mfc, gtk, php, osg, opengl, opencl, opencv, cuda, openmash, pcl, website, java, luna, python, php,devexpress,..etc
 
Fuck, the video card is coming from California. That's probably not gonna arrive until next week.
 
could barely decide between the first and the second line there
they're both so wonderful
 
2:06 AM
@Mikhail Former NVIDIA employee on the CUDA toolchain, yes. (Like a few top users in that tag).
 
@AldwinCheung Norbert Juffa, NVIDIA Corporation (njuffa 'at' nvidia.com)
 
He's retired though.
 
@jaggedSpire I'm going with the 2nd one because openmash and pcl aren't programming languages or platforms. And is "luna" really lua?
 
@Mysticial my experience with NewEgg is rather positive, but I'm kinda close to Indiana
 
@Mikhail :)
it is a mystery
 
2:18 AM
Maybe change the room title to "I want to development"? Although this would be somewhat mean spirited.
 
@johnathon Same. They usually beat their "5 - 7 day" shipping estimate. And they tend to get to Chicago in a day or two from Indiana. It's the California shipments that suck.
 
@LucDanton Eh bien alors et le 2e témoignage page 81 ?!
 
I don't think Newegg had an Indiana warehouse when I was at UIUC. So all orders came from California and was painful.
 
@Mikhail that guy didn't seem particularly entitled though
 
@Mysticial When I was building this system I didn't notice any shipments from Cali but TBH I didn't pay much attention until i upgraded the RAM from 16 to 32 gb recently. I've used them professionally for years and never had a problem with late shipments
 
2:19 AM
@Mikhail +1 from me
 
> for example: qt, c++, mfc, gtk, php, osg, opengl, opencl, opencv, cuda, openmash, pcl, website, java, luna, python, php,devexpress,..etc
 
@Mysticial but newegg business is a little different than regular newegg
 
would be amusing, except someone might think we actually deal with all those things here
 
@jaggedSpire Another excellent choice, especially if we get rid of C++
Also I've done all of those except luna :-(
 
You don't get rid of C++, C++ gets rid of you.
4
 
2:21 AM
LOL
 
@jaggedSpire I did not know all of this. I have small team of programmer in university.
 
that list is a little confusing anyways, is it intended to be languages or libraries?
 
@Mike So what kind of project are you looking for?
 
@AldwinCheung t’es-tu avant tout ouvert aux autres et tourné vers le père céleste comme recommandé ?
 
@Mikhail Any.
@Mikhail We are group of 8 people.
 
2:23 AM
@Mike Time scale? How technically sophisticated are you? I assume you're looking for ideas, and not work?
 
oooh
I thought you were asking for a completed project
 
@Mikhail A lot. My age is 22. From the age of 12 i learning lot about computer technology.
@Mikhail Now i am student in Wuhan university. Software Engineering 3rd year.
 
my hometown is Wuhan, lol
 
Our group looking for project. We have a lot of experience.
 
@Mike What's the requirements for the type of project your looking to join?
@Mike Perhaps it would be better to ask which aspect of computer technology are you the most familiar with and the least familiar with that you'd like to become familiar with
 
2:28 AM
@Mike ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240026 . Basically there is this operation called IWPP that is used in many algorithms but there isn't a publicly available GPU implementation. Although 8 is probably too large of a group for mostly anything.
 
@johnathon I familier with some top, MFC, Windows Socket, Linux Socket, c++, atmega. But my team member also very experienced some of them very good at opengl and cuda.
 
If you want a good and challenging project. Find a SHA256 collision.
 
and upload it
 
@Mike there any electromechanical engineers on the team?
 
cuda reminds me of some troll
 
2:33 AM
err
 
@johnathon No, Have Embedded System.
@Mikhail My team would prefer some private company project. Like windows application, website, etc..
 
@Mike Can you build an image viewer for 4 dimensional deep-zoom style data?
 
@Mike then you should have essentially an electromechanical engineer in training on your team. Here's an idea you can use if you like, if it's not above your skill level, pick up a few PRU's (programmable real time units) and do some data acquisition with them, transmit it over the network to a windows/linux box, and graph it with opengl.
 
@LucDanton J'ai failli répondre ça au début :D "Il ne me reste donc plus qu'à me tourner vers le Père céleste et embrasser sa paternité forte" etc
 
prépare toi à recevoir sa gloire
 
2:39 AM
@Mikhail If you give proper documentation about what you exactly want. I can discuss with my team. And then reply you. Promise we will do it.
@johnathon Same.
 
ScY
lol
 
@Mike my suggestion requires your own creativity which is something that's I thought you'd like. By all means Mikhail has a project he needs help with.
 
@LucDanton Cela dit 100% des homosexuels meurent, c'est donc bien la preuve qu'ils mènent une vie de dépravés.
 
@Mike petapixelproject.com OpenSource version of this, also with depth and time
 
Also je suis la "campagne" pestilentielle 2017 de loin et c'est bien lolant
 
@johnathon Our team try a project last year did not go well. We need to take project from another company to gather more resources. I would like if you need anything that our team can do.
 
@Mike what did you try last year?
 
@johnathon Create a drone to clean buildings windows.
 
@Mike what failed?
 
@johnathon Many reason.
@johnathon Top reasons, wind, battery, signal。
 
2:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukJgxLiFLE
^ French people singing about a pony in English
 
@Mikhail Team feel very interesting.
@johnathon Can solve problem but take time. And more resources.
 
@mike brb on phone
 
@johnathon What mean?
@johnathon @Mikhail offer project one time let use prove our self?
 
3:32 AM
New linkedin ui is just copy of facebook :/
 
@ProblemSlover It's kinda put me off too.
@ProblemSlover but I'm 37, was into other stuff when the social media revolution took over and still don't care much for it.
 
@johnathon premium subscribtion users having "diarrhoea". Just Read comments :/ lol
 
@johnathon @Mikhail wait for your reply.
 
Really stupid move from LinkedIn. they should have launched some beta for limited number of users or smth
 
@ProblemSlover well, Microsoft bought them. So. Perhaps it's not Linkedin anymore?
 
3:43 AM
@johnathon If you don't have a social media presence, chicks will think you are an asocial looser and you're going to die alone.
 
what excellent news
 
@Mikhail I'm on the phone with a 'chick'
 
I am an asocial loser and I want to die alone
so I just have to keep doing what I'm doing
 
@johnathon I'm recently giving a try to angel.co Looks promising.. but it is not that social..
No wonder tech guys flee hong kong... such compensation is just a jocke especially for overseas applicant.
https://angel.co/cloudbreakr/jobs/174463-software-architect
 
@ProblemSlover that's beginning pay for a software developer in my state
@ProblemSlover someone with a new certification typically gets about 30k
 
3:57 AM
@johnathon $25k isn't
Nashville average is $75k
 
@Mikhail no .. lol
 
@Mikhail that's not the pay for a NEW person in the field, 75k is roughly a senior developer's pay (about 10k less actually) in the health care industry there, which is huge in nash
 
user406009
@johnathon Seems like those people should just move to another state then.
 
@Lalaland it just depends on experience.
 
4:03 AM
Actually.. it's the typo. https://angel.co/cloudbreakr/jobs/174463-software-architect
It's monthly Salary in Hong Kong dollars. Converting to USD,.. looks decent pay.. but still not worth for Such High end Role.
 
$50k, and 25% under the national average
 
user406009
@ProblemSlover Uh, wouldn't it be worse if it's 50K HKD vs 50k USD?
 
Also Jack Roe USA Inc is apparently a shitty place to work
 
@Mikhail depends on the industry and experience, notice the low end is 21k
 
@Mikhail No in china its around 1455usd per month.
If good enough maybe 3000 usd.
 
user406009
4:07 AM
@johnathon What do you think keeps all those developers in Nashville then?
 
@Lalaland hm.. What you mean.if monthly.. then it's not..for senioer php coder it should be fine :p
 
@Lalaland the comparative pay of all the other jobs. Look it up, a senior developer makes as much as a rn 3 or new doctor
 
user406009
Eh, the comparative pay to other jobs shouldn't influence people. The important factor would be the pay relative to moving to Chicago or Seattle or Austin or whatnot.
 
@Lalaland Monthly lol
 
@Lalaland eirther, it;'s good motivation to move up to manager role.. you shouldn't stay in the coder role until your 30s.
 
4:18 AM
@Lalaland I don't want to live in Chicago, or Austin, or what not
@Lalaland Have you ever noticed, the cost of a car varies by the location in the USA?
 
user406009
Not really. Housing prices vary tremendously though.
 
that's kind of my point, so does the price of cars, and other major life purchases
income is both an influence and influenced by those things.
 
ScY
Has anyone looked at rent cost relative to location? Ofc you get payed more in SF or chicago, but how much of it is taken away by rent?
 
yes, google it
 
@Lalaland so the way it kinda works out is the value of your dollar is kind of equivalent
 
4:21 AM
But $25k for a dev job is fucking bullshit
 
user406009
@johnathon I mean, of course it depends on the delta. And what living arrangements you need.
 
@Mikhail yes, that's a bit low
 
user406009
Raising a family in SF for instance sounds like it would be terrifyingly expensive, no matter how much you are making.
 
@Lalaland yes. While doing so out side of major cities in TN is manageable.
 
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/postal/images/4/4a/Trailer.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20100928173507
^ The home of a $25k a year developer, bonus points if you identify the image origin.
 
4:24 AM
@Mikhail https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7071/6871886612_b4ebb64862_b.jpg
I think It 's more saccurate :P
 
ScY
Postal (stylized as POSTAL) is an isometric top-down shooter video game developed by Running With Scissors and published by Ripcord Games in 1997. A sequel to the game, Postal 2, was released in 2003. Director Uwe Boll bought the movie rights for the series, and produced a film of the same name. A March 2001 re-release of the game, called Postal Plus, included a "Special Delivery" add-on. A remaster of the game, Postal Redux, was released for Microsoft Windows on May 20, 2016, and is scheduled to release for PlayStation 4 at a later date. At the end of 2016, the game's source code was released...
Where are my bonus points?
 
Sorry, the correct answer was POSTAL 2
In POSTAL 2, he has moved out from his original home to the town of Paradise after accepting a job at the Running With Scissors video game developer company. He lives in a shabby trailer in a small neighborhood with his pet Champ the dog and his unnamed, bitchy wife, who continuously gives him orders and forces him to do various annoying errands.
 
ha.
 
ScY
@Mikhail Damn.
 
Sounds like someone had a bad marriage.
 
4:29 AM
Idk, most game developers are fucked or are European
 
How does that have anything to do with the description given by the game?
 
You play as a software developer that works for the company that developed the game
 
his unnamed, bitchy wife, who continuously gives him orders and forces him to do various annoying errands. <~ She couldn't even get a name? Or was they just too afraid to stick some female name on it out of potential retribution? TBH it sounds like something kids would say
 
If you'd know her name then you might feel sorry for her.
assholes aren't born, they are forged
 
I disagree.
 
4:33 AM
no you don't
 
There's always a predisposition by certain families to be 'assholes'. Be it a cultural difference or a genetic one, idk which, it's just the way the chips fall for some people. I typically describe it as those that are just smart enough to realize how crappy their lives are. They end up taking it out on the rest of society as a whole. They don't typically keep their jobs very long because of it. And find it hard to break the circle of aggressiveness to keep a job.
 
PS. Has nortghing to dfo with Dev.. but funny as fuck lol

http://funkida.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/hilarious_drunk_and_wasted_people_part_17_640_27.jpg
 
@ProblemSlover would you laugh if that was your fridge?
 
@johnathon Perhaps. if i were drunk like that guy ;/
 
@ProblemSlover if that was the kind of things I did when i drink , i wouldn't ever touch alcohol again.
 
ScY
4:45 AM
you would have bigger problems
 
indeed.
 
@johnathon I never touched alcohol.. got enough adeventures from my drunky grandpa.
 
@Mikhail It's 25k HKD per month
 
@ProblemSlover My drunky dad gave me plenty, the drunky grandpa did too when i was a kid. I do drink, but its not every day, or every week, or any regular schedule, and it's usually just a shot or two, i don't sit around and nurse a bottle.
@ProblemSlover But, just to make a point out of it, i don't look anything like either of them. I take after my mom's uncle more than anyone else in the family, intellectually and physically.
 
Damn... The memory that I ordered last night. Sold out today. IOW, I scored on the timing.
 
4:50 AM
@AldwinCheung they discuss about salary for entry level dev in US..states
 
I ordered yesterday hoping I would short-circuit the demand for DDR4 and AM4 coolers. That actually happened.
 
@Mysticial wtg
 
The cooler hasn't sold out (yet).
 
the cooler wont do much good without the device it's intended to cool.
 
@Mysticial Maybe I can go out to the garage, grab some old sticks and sell "DDR2 x 2" as "DDR4"...
 
4:51 AM
yo
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@johnathon You do the right thing drinking "socially" buit I will never ever try.. I can get drunk jjust drinking some sort of the juice. it makes me feel too happy when I drink a few glasses :/
 
@Mysticial You're getting Ryzen?
 
@johnathon The situation you have right now is that there are almost no coolers that are AM4 compatible. And the two high-end Ryzen's don't come with coolers.
 
@ProblemSlover then its probably a good idea that you don't. If you don't think you should then don't.
 
4:53 AM
Add to that the fact that DDR4 prices are going up due to smartphone demand and another wave from Zen, I decided to order yesterday before the wave of Zen orders on March 2nd.
 
@Mysticial is that the case for the upper end sealed water cooling units too?
 
@johnathon Almost all coolers.
Very few of them are AM4 compatible.
@MarkGarcia yes
 
@Mysticial Corsair H100i Gtx
 
@johnathon That's one of them.
 
@Mysticial they make an adapter i believe.
 
4:55 AM
@Mysticial Cool! No new special instructions though right?
 
I'm not getting that once since it won't fit in my case.
 
@MarkGarcia Correct. I'm not interested in the architecture and (hopefully) faster compile-times. And the ability to free up my 8-core Haswell box for a different purpose.
 
I'm interested because it's hell of a lot cheaper. :)
 
My main concern now is whether my shit will arrive before the weekend. And whether Microcenter and Frys will both sell out of the 1800X and the mobo I want.
I'm pretty sure my video card won't get here on time, but I can pull another one out of my other boxes.
I'm also a little bit concerned about the memory compatibility. And I'm 80% sure it won't be able to run at the rated 3200 MHz.
I'll be happy if it runs stably at all at any speed 2133 or higher.
 
4:59 AM
@Mysticial i haven't oc'd anything in my box yet. I haven't had a need to quite yet. Next gen games I probably will though.
 
@Mysticial The CPU or the mobo?
 
@MarkGarcia Both. For example, my 4770K and its mobo won't run the memory stable above 2133 MHz. The memory is rated for 2400 MHz. Even after I increased the IMC and uncore voltages, it didn't help.
 
Likewise my AMD box won't run the memory stable above 1333 MHz. The memory is rated for 1866.
Touching the related voltages didn't help either.
That AMD box (FX-8350) was a particular annoyance because the memory would go unstable the moment I take the CPU off of auto-stock settings.
@MarkGarcia It's easy to clock the memory up there. I can get my 4770K to run the memory at 2500 MHz+. But it isn't stable. I put it under my usual workload (which is not a normal workload) and it gets memory corruption.
 
I see.
 
5:04 AM
Likewise, I can get my AMD box to run the memory at 1866 MHz. But any memory-intensive benchmark will cause data-corruption.
 
what benchmark are you using?
and is it more than one brand of memory?
 
Prime95, and my Pi program.
 
is the corruption noticeable on prime or just your Pi program?
or both?
 
both, but my pi program usually reveals it first.
I can leave my Pi program running overnight, and I wake up in the morning with 5 - 10 failures. Prime95 might drop only 1 or 2 cores.
And if I lower the memory speed from 1866 to 1600, the errors are still there, but less frequent.
 
is that with full interleaving (both chip and channel) enabled?
 
5:07 AM
I'm not sure.
My Intel box is even more flaky. Clocking the memory at 2400 MHz may only cause one failure after 24 hours of computation.
 
I watched an HPC video by an Intel guy and he says we may be programming accounting these errors in the future.
 
Not reproducible in Prime95 on that box.
 
reproduce it's settings if you can and see if the problem disappears with prime on the other machines.
as much as you can anyways
i know there's differences
 
@johnathon I'm not the only one who has memory stability issues running my pi program.
A lot of the guys who use it as a stress-test benchmark say the same thing. And it goes away the moment they turn off the memory overclock.
 
@Mysticial nods I don't have your Pi program. I do have Prime though, and i don't exeprence what you've talked about. I dont stress my machine often though, and typically to test cooler performance.
 
5:10 AM
And by "overclock", I'm including XMP overclock.
@johnathon Prime95 is usually less stressful in terms of memory. Even for large FFTs.
I suspect the reason is that Prime95 doesn't touch all your memory. So it will catch the memory instability only if the memory it's using is actually mapped to the weak part of the DRAM or the relevant data lanes.
Whereas my program by default will use 92% of your available memory.
 
do you experience the same issue with your Pi program in linux?
 
Most memory instability that I encounter is usually IMC related.
I don't use Linux enough to know.
I usually don't mess with my overclock in Linux since it lacks the tools to do so.
 
Oc'd is done in bios in my experience...unless we are talking about video cards
EUFI these days, but still
 
I usually do it in Windows where I can try a bunch of different settings without needing to reboot.
Once I find something I like, then I reboot into the BIOS to set it.
 
@Mysticial Don't worry. Another patch and it will fix the frequency a couple of Ghz more for you.
 
5:20 AM
why the link to the rules gone
 
Make a new one and I'll pin it.
 
@ProblemSlover wink wink
 
Why me :/
 
lol, what's with the date?
 
5:25 AM
Oh advanced timezone?
lol
 
or something like.. RULES Make Lounge<C++> great again
What's markdown btw
 
@Mysticial Ah I get what you mean.
It's to troll entice everyone else (not newbs) to read.
Because everyone loves changes.
 
user406009
@MarkGarcia I think it's a great plan.
 
actually.. I belive there should be some sort of floating notification.. or annoying modal box
to all newbies
who come here
with rules
 
user406009
@ProblemSlover Some other rooms use a bot which pings the user when they enter for the first time.
 
5:28 AM
I think modal Dialogue is effective as well..
 
user406009
A dialogue would require SO dev support.
 
because it requires iteraction
 
user406009
We can only really do bots, pings, and starboard stuff by ourselves.
 
sdomethin like. Checkbox.. and "OK I got it"
ohh
yeah.. indeed,
 
What? There are rules here?
 
ScY
5:37 AM
don't be a jerk, basically
 
also Kyrostat is not dead
 
...when did I get more posts here than Lala?
D:
A year and a half will do that
 
:35870763 something something life something
 
probably keeping Lounge open as a pinned tab in my home browser helps :V
@MarkGarcia excellent point
@johnathon see? not dead!
honest
 
5:43 AM
lol
@jaggedSpire i figured you'd like the proof!
 
:)
 
ScY
@JerryCoffin Could've marked NSFW. Thanks...
 
@JerryCoffin Perhaps we need someone in marketing to devise the plan to make new users read the rules.
 
Lounge<ClickBait>
 
lol
 
6:11 AM
needs more blink tag
 
Indeed we need more options here,.. like XSS ;/ CsRF users.. then we could make really great things here :PO
 
6:30 AM
Yes yes,. It's stupid joke. :P
 
 
1 hour later…
7:49 AM
> At the risk of stating the obvious - tracing in itself is not that useful, unless you are after just the aggregated stats. To use traces for reversing the API/IOCTLs, it's equally (if not more) important to have a good UI for filtering, analysis and cross-correlation.
HN on the usefulness of strace.
 
I found it easier to fix the bug than to use trace. I mean, when was the last time you used trace?
 
8:16 AM
sup
 
Deciding if I should switch to bindless textures, or debug terrible UX problems.
 
8:37 AM
@Mikhail strace? Today.
 
8:54 AM
@Telkitty You live in a dangerous place!
 
but I am not a dog
 
@Telkitty No, you are not a dog. You are dying Sun, apparently.
 
@jaggedSpire ha ha ha, I made that ages ago XD
 
9:12 AM
@johnathon I think you'll appreciate the numbers released by Germany's Interior minister recently independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/…
 
nwp
I just realized that the best mocking framework for C++ is the lounge.
22
 
@nwp lol
 
9:29 AM
> The "S" in IoT stands for Security.
16
nice
 
What?! :D
'Sex Tsar' is a pretty good job title. UK version should be called the Bonking Bretwalda http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4266986/Spain-creates-position-help-people-fall-pregnant.html
 
10:08 AM
guys, I need help
WRT software timeline estimates
 
I was just asked to balance a Binary Search Tree by JFK's airport immigration. Welcome to America.
 
Given his picture, they should've asked him to balance a red black tree instead, eh EH
 
@ratchetfreak I don't get it.. :(
 
interview questions asked by immigration and scored like a technical question asked by a non technical person
 
@StackedCrooked I'm not sure if it's a hoax or not.
 
10:13 AM
(according to his further comments in the thread)
 
They actually asked him to balance a binary search tree?
Wow.
That's a tough question.
 
with a cheat solution though (dump to array & create search tree from scratch recursively)
 
Or copy/assign to new map.
 
@StackedCrooked Terrorists can't balance BSTs. Well-known fact.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Ven
10:23 AM
@rightfold omg perl6
 
user1804599
?
 
Dec 7 '16 at 0:36, by Jerry Coffin
@sehe For a decent but reasonably inexpensive scope, there's nearly universal agreement that the best choice is the OneSky scope from Astronomers Without Borders. Unfortunately, they only ship to addresses in the US, but if you want one we could probably work something out where Mysticial or I orders one, then ships it to you, or something on that order.
Thanks again for the suggestion @JerryCoffin! We opted for the Skywatcher Heritage-130P, which appears to be very close. So, now we have to find time to get started :)
@Ven for Any.^methods(:all)».name.grep( -- computers have learned irony
 
@Ven a new type of cancer
 
@ratchetfreak Wow...if true.
I mean, wow, I would probably fail the test. :D
 
Ven
@sehe ▸_▸
 
10:30 AM
@wilx lol @ naiveté
 
nwp
@sehe have you tried {}?
 
@sehe naïveté
Also, also why?
 
@nwp IDGI
@wilx wp
@wilx indeed
 
nwp
@sehe it is a very inexpensive (block) scope
 
@sehe: You are too cryptic for me! AGAIN!
:(
 
10:31 AM
@nwp How is that in reply to that message
 
I honestly, no jest or humour, have hard time understanding what you are saying or pointing at.
 
@wilx /@me wp!
 
@wilx b[ear]crypt
 
nwp
@sehe "For a decent but reasonably inexpensive scope..."
 
@Ven I would like to say something nice but I must admit this looks pretty cryptic without knowledge of the Perl6 syntax.
 
user2015064
10:35 AM
When we have {int i=5;}, do we say "a scope" or "a pair of scopes"?
 
it's a block
scope is just a theoretical concept introduced by block "borders"
 
noscope 360
 
so estimates
my PM is forcing me to provide one for a complex task spanning multiple teams I have no control over
what do I do?
right now my answer is 6m +/- 3m, and I consider that to be way too specific anyway
 
6 to 8 weeks
@BartekBanachewicz honestly a 50% margin of error is massive
might as well give no estimate
 
@AldwinCheung that's what I've been trying to tell him
 
10:38 AM
say that it'll take a few decades
 
that the estimate I can reasonably provide right now is basically worthless
 
@BartekBanachewicz Break it down to smaller tasks and try to estimate those?
 
@wilx I don't even know what the tasks are right now. All we have is a rough sketch, and most of the work will be delegated to other teams
they will receive requirements, not tasks, and I have little control over their priorities and timelines
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, find out!
 
the problem I'm seeing is that I am to take responsibility for a timeline that's mostly out of my control
 
10:39 AM
also remember xkcd.com/1425
 
@BartekBanachewicz You are estimating man.months, not actual time frame, don't you?
 
@wilx actually... that's a good point
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't commit to real time timeline. Commit to people hours/days/months estimates.
 
this at least helps me evade responsibility if the features are delivered later than expected
thanks, I'll do that
 
Break it down, request input from specialists, etc.
 
user1804599
10:43 AM
Meh, gfortran doesn't implement destructors yet.
 
user1804599
@Ven Let's write a Fortran compiler.
 
@rightfold In Fortran.
2
 
Ven
@rightfold you're gonna rewrite it 5 times in like a week
 
user1804599
@wilx ugh text processing in Fortran
 
@rightfold Don't be wimp! :D
 
10:45 AM
I'm actually having trouble implementing the generic for assignment for Turnip
since I don't want to go through the closure (expose to the user code) I can't use my regular multiassignment rules
 
user1804599
10:58 AM
@wilx In Haskell.
 

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