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12:04 AM
:)
 
@jaggedSpire >.<
 
That husky is so very done
 
which is what makees this so funny xD
"Ahhh my arch nemesis, the right ear!"
"oh ffs..."
 
12:38 AM
'I did what was right': Ian Grillot was shot as he jumped to the defence of two Indian men in a bar in Kansas, USA… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/835450876663906304
not sure id have the guts to do that
props to this guy
 
12:50 AM
nods
 
 
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2:00 AM
I need to clean up emails again
having nearly 1GB in one email account doesn't seem to be healthy
 
2:26 AM
I think there is a DDoS attack on the server where my shared VPS is hosted ...
 
I'd tell you to use Fail2Ban but somebody on Meta, outside the USA, might accuse me of being a Trump supporter...
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42476832/tetris-game-in-c-shape-trail-issue#42476832
^ Look at the project title in the screenshot for a good laugh
 
2:43 AM
> Tetris Final Project
hoooo boy
 
nearly half of US voters supported trump in the election, so the chance of an american being a trump support is not so small
 
I'd like to thank Lounge
 
Ell
2:59 AM
Any time :D
 
Thanks to all the experience I've gotten with C++ I've managed to land a summer internship at a Big 4/5. So you all really mattered! Thank you for putting up with me and turning me into a better coder.
 
Ell
@VermillionAzure that's what the lounge is for :) and it must be genuine because QUADS¡
 
I googled for Big 4/5.. thinking it was a company of some sort..
 
Ell
Do we get to know where it's at?
 
@Ell The jungle company!
Of course I can always be terminated on any circumstance per the legal agreement. So I better not Cinch too hard.
 
3:31 AM
@jaggedSpire You missed the C# part
 
3:41 AM
@Telkitty there should a good reason to use self hosted option rather than managed.. I would consider shared hosting after all :P
 
I just ordered my Zen parts for everything except the CPU and mobo which I'm picking up after work on Thursday.
Found a cooler that would work on the new socket.
DDR4 is soo expensive right now.
 
Idk, 64GB modules are going at around $700, this is a $200 dollar price drop from the prices last year?
 
64GB modules don't exist for desktop.
I did manage to find a set of clocked at 3200 MHz that was selling for the same price as the entry-level stuff (2133 MHz). So that eases the pain a little bit. But I have very strong feeling that the chip/mobo will not be able to clock it at the full 3200 MHz.
 
I would be more worried about what happens when you exceed 64GB, I can a barely use my laptop and that guy has 64GB
 
I regularly exceed the 64GB on my desktop now. But that's largely because of FireFox.
 
3:57 AM
@Mysticial I can't get.. Zen is older model than Ryzen..or..
 
@ProblemSlover I ordered online all the parts for my Zen build except the CPU and mobo which I can't until Thursday. Hopefully the rest of order will come in during the week. Then I run to the store Thursday after I get off work to get the CPU and mobo. That way I don't have to wait for them to ship it.
I also want to short-circuit the demand for AM4 coolers and DDR4 memory.
 
What if ICC produces inefficient code :-)
 
4:32 AM
@Mikhail wtf
what is file system organization
 
Maybe he thinks its C#?
 
 
1 hour later…
I hope not
How do you even confuse c# and c++
though that would be a hilarious reason to fail your end of term project
 
Even funnier would be to confuse C++ with Haskell
 
jesus
can you imagine the TA's face when they realize your term project for your haskell class was written entirely in c++?
I'm imagining something midway between utter confusion, "I have many regrets and most of them are you" and "you are about to have many regrets and most of them will be me"
 
:D
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Q: Is C an Object oriented programming? What qualities of object oriented programming is not available in C

vengetsIf Encapsulation, Polymorphism and Inheritance are the main characteristics of Object Oriented Language. C does have all that Encapsulation - usage of Struct Polymorphism - printf() -> Prints to monitor, Can also prints to other output device if we change the configuration. Every IO driver has ...

 
6:07 AM
@Xeo How does Youjo Senki 6.5 fit into the MAL listing?
 
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Q: What is VAR::PvarCutAll()?

hksukiToday I read an analysis of CVE-2016-0189 and I found there is a function called VAR::PvarCutAll().I thought it is a function in C++ but I found nothing about it in google.All the result is about this analysis and other CVE analysis.What's this,where can I find the reference of this function? c...

^ Another one of those "how do I hack questions" :-)
 
hehe
 
 
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7:31 AM
 
Ven
Aw.
 
user1804599
curl http://wttr.in
 
7:48 AM
4
A: Why is it okay to give more than half a shuckle?

curiousdanniiWhile in the past it may have been considered acceptable to give half a Shuckle, in these days of animal activism it is frowned upon as unnecessarily cruel. (Especially if there were only an odd number of people giving an offering!) The requirement to make an offering of half a Shuckle is a gr...

^Troll post current leading answer
 
It's a joke question anyway. I wouldn't count it as a troll post. More like playing along.
 
Yeah, I couldn't tell :-(
 
 
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Xeo
9:15 AM
@Mysticial Dunno, didn't watch it, just update with 7 after watching that?
 
The most important professional programming skill is being able to move on. Example: "I moved on from hating JavaScript to hating Go".
 
trooth
 
9:53 AM
now if it actually looked like the old 3310 it'd be much better
 
I remember in the old days, mobile phones used to be gigantic ...
 
@Telkitty fat. you wanted to say "fat".
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you would look slimmer next to a fat phone
 
my first phone was iPhone 4..although I tried to use the classic phone.. it's really pain in ass to use.. even typing sms..
 
@ProblemSlover Spoiled kid. :D
My first one was Nokia 5110.
 
9:58 AM
@rightfold Used to. Now I work on music stuff.
(So, still DSP-related)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes DJ Robot!
 
can't remember my first mobile phone
 
@wilx really sorry for your experience :P
 
Ven
my first phone was an iphone 4
 
9:59 AM
Kids these days.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed.
 
my first phone
 
@ProblemSlover Dude, it stayed on over a week on single charge.
 
that tennis game was THE BEST
that one though doesn't look quite right, this is what it looked like
 
10:02 AM
@Telkitty I knew Chinese people were small. But are they really that small?
 
I used walkie talkie.
 
@wilx perfect size for people smuggler
 
Smurfs-sized.
 
10:06 AM
that's nokia Coffin
 
@ProblemSlover :D
 
@Shoe btw, I think there is a 'starting rule set' for Nomic that takes into account the impracticality of die rolling
 
@Borgleader the only way this could be better would be by including the word "ininpulintation" (gq.com/story/sean-spicers-alternative-abcs)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Chorr"... Chtorr?!
 
Really Why nobody has come up with idea to make some stylish coffins.,,..
 
10:08 AM
@ProblemSlover Because it is usually the non-dead people who pay for it. Why would they pay for non-traditional one more?
 
nwp
@wilx to ease their guilt for having been shitty to the dead and having no other means of trying to make it up to them
 
+**202.** One turn consists of two parts in this order:
+
+1. proposing one rule-change and having it voted on, and
+2. throwing one die once and adding the number of points on its face to one's score.
+
+In mail and computer games, instead of throwing a die, players subtract 291 from the ordinal number of their proposal and multiply the result by the fraction of favorable votes it received, rounded to the nearest integer. (This yields a number between 0 and 10 for the first player, with the upper limit increasing by one each turn; more points are awarded for more popular proposals.)
@Shoe see here...
 
@wilx Beats me.
@thecoshman Wait, is that why he decided to go with this change?
Oh.
I never noticed.
@thecoshman Yeah, and that's the original one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed
 
10:15 AM
I mean, I don't mind him having that proposal, but I would have thought we'd start with the starting rules that account for online play
 
This guy claims he wrote the Fastest Hash Table. Didn't read it but the graphs are pretty.
They almost look like TCP graphs.
 
Ven
@StackedCrooked this has a worst case that's... pretty awful
makes for very interesting ddos attacks
 
^ Some weird patterns there.
 
@thecoshman Alternatively we could roll dice with github.com/rmartinho/pbmx :D
 
nah :P
I think we should just take the rules as they are as standard, and go from there. That includes the 'correct' 202 rule
 
10:22 AM
@thecoshman There's more rules that need amending till we are at a usable state.
(201 says "clockwise order"; er, what?)
 
lol, probably didn't need to do a complete reformat, but what ever vOv
 
@thecoshman I copy-pasted from another place where I already had it.
 
I gathered
Yeah, I know my first proposal :P just got to work out how to best phrase it, but I know the basics of it
@R.MartinhoFernandes clearly, we just need to decide what 'clockwise' means for us :P
 
For the sake of posterity, and for any newer programmers chancing upon this, what you should do is follow this very important advice: when you are writing code, specifically c++ code, and especially when you are planning on using references in that code and you've decided to use those references - for the sake of posterity I'm saying this, for any newer programmers chancing upon this - I just want you all to know that I'm selling potatoes. — Andrew yesterday
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice.
 
10:36 AM
@thecoshman It almost works :D
 
@StackedCrooked He also created a fast radix sort variant :p
 
I want a radish sort
 
Write it.
 
@Morwenn ...or maybe that's a sort of radishes
 
user1804599
 
10:52 AM
@thecoshman Yeah thanks
I remembered there was a modified version of the original rules for online games, but couldn't remember how to find them.
 
user2015064
Help me I have a C++ question on "C++ Questions and Answers" chat.
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@xersi What about posting on SO?
That's what's there for
 
@xersi SUCH IMPATIENCE
 
user2015064
Thanks for helping :)
 
11:20 AM
 
user1804599
11:33 AM
(git tag --points-at HEAD | grep '') || git rev-parse HEAD
 
user1804599
Nice :)
 
user1804599
Prints tag if it exists, otherwise commit hash.
 
Ell
@rightfold have you ever used core.logic in clojure?
 
user1804599
Yeah, it's horrible.
 
user1804599
Just use Mercury.
 
Ell
11:38 AM
@rightfold due to dynamic typing?
 
user1804599
11:52 AM
yes lol dt
 
user1804599
also bolting logic programming onto an imperative language is extremely meh
 
my chicken pecked me in the right eye now my eye is red
 
Hm so the review panel seems thoroughly revamped
the thing is, SE is putting so much effort on the mass of low quality questions. Why don't they do something for the high-quality questions as well?
A "Premium" queue would be awesome
 
@BartekBanachewicz What for?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so that I could go and answer instead of sifting through a couple dozens uninteresting ones before giving up
basically the thing I feel least supported on SO right now is answering questions
 
12:20 PM
And who'd curate that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes reviewers?
 
@BartekBanachewicz they'd be more likely to just answer as they see a good question
 
FWIW, you can filter questions by score.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well they weed out the shitty stuff, so why not/
@ratchetfreak There's a lot of great questions I upvote but pass since I don't know the answer. The good ones aren't easy, and there's a lot of great questions that have 10-30 score and 0 answers (esp. in )
to promote a shitty question, it's enough to CV it
to promote a good one, you actually have to spend rep
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, I did not know that. This could work.
 
nwp
12:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz They do put some effort into that, according to the SE podcast. The recent (last 2 years or so) efforts in that direction were the triage thing and low quality queues, which had the intended effect of keeping shitty questions away from people who get annoyed by them.
Surely not sufficient, but at least they are aware.
 
Just browse the tag. There's none of that effect there :P
 
:D
@R.MartinhoFernandes are they still asking about python
 
@BartekBanachewicz from a quick glance at the "newest" page stackoverflow.com/questions/42404380/python-0xff-byte
 
Any recommendations for Node.js test application? As in something that will run on the Node.js server and I can use it to put some load on it.
 
user1804599
@wilx This question is vague, please rephrase.
 
user1804599
12:51 PM
If you want to generate traffic you can use httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/programs/ab.html.
 
@rightfold Well, we have a sort of agent that monitors node.js server performance and metrics and we need to have the node.js server to do something so that there is something to monitor.
 
user1804599
setInterval(function() {
  for (var i = 0; i < 1e6; ++i) {
    console.log(Math.random());
  }
}, 5000);
 
@rightfold I need something realistic.
 
user1804599
process.exit(1);
 
@wilx define what constitutes as realistic and then set timers to match
 
12:59 PM
@ratchetfreak Something where the node.js backend will actually do something like access a DB or another service elsewhere.
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold Interesting!
 
1:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what do you mean?
 
@thecoshman My secure, fair, distributed die roller.
(well, it actually shuffles cards, but rolling an n-sided die is equivalent to shuffling an n-card deck and flipping the top card)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the basic approach you use?
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed
but requires a specialised interface ofc :P
 
@wilx note that you'll have to write extra code to work with DBs with that, and the provided node.js server is meant for development only
 
@thecoshman This is the most basic thing. Once it's working I'll treat the card deck operations as primitives and build simpler interfaces for specific cases like dice on top of them.
 
1:31 PM
overall just to test some timers or w/e you want
 
@BogdanMarginean I see. I am looking at other apps as well.
 
I'd definitely pick writing my own
than working with Open MCT
the learning curve is pretty steep to get started, check tutorials
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah no totally make sense to do that. Though I wouldn't call it the 'most basic'... it's like... the most primitive? Any way, what's the general architecture you're using for it?
 
(mentioning the learning curve because there's no way to avoid learning how the thing works because all code you'll write for it will have to be plugged in according to its architecture rules)
 
@thecoshman A simple description is: Alice encrypts each card individually with her key, then shuffles these encrypted blobs and sends them to Bob. Bob receives these encrypted blobs in the order of Alice's shuffle, encrypts each blob individually with his key, shuffles these twice-encrypted blobs, and sends them to Alice in that new order.
Now both have a deck in the same order, but neither knows the real order.
To look at the top card (or any, in fact), Alice asks Bob. Bob decrypts the top blob, and sends the result to Alice. That result is still encrypted with Alice's key, so Bob doesn't know what it is. She receives it and decrypts it to see the real value. Now she's the only one who knows it (so it could be a card in her hand, for example), but she can make it public by repeating the process in the other direction.
There are also zero-knowledge proofs that can be used to ensure no one cheats at some point (e.g. if flipping a coin and Alice had replaced the heads with a second tails before encrypting, i.e., started from a loaded coin, Bob would know without having to know the actual shuffle because the proofs would fail).
 
1:41 PM
but doesn't alice always know which card gets decrypted because she's the lowest one on the "stack" of encryptions
 
@ratchetfreak The keys have to be commutative. So the order doesn't matter.
 
so there has to be the restriction that E(E(card, Kalice), Kbob) == E(E(card, Kbob), Kalice)
 
@ratchetfreak Yeah. There are extra complications in the process (e.g. each card is actually encrypted with a different key) but that's the gist.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes move kim366 message to Q&A room please
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, such encryption sounds... tricky
 
1:51 PM
@nwp ?
 
well, not tricky
but just a bit odd
 
the idea that <data> => key A => key B can yield the same result as <data> => key B => key A
but also that fact that the decryption can work in any order too
 
@thecoshman that follows from having encryption in different order resulting in the same cipher text
 
@thecoshman It's from the properties of exponentiation. (x ^ a) ^ b = x ^ (a * b) = x ^ (b * a) = (x ^ b) ^a
 
1:59 PM
I guess... yeah... I mean, if your basic encryption was to invert every nth bit, then yeah, I see how the order doesn't matter in that case (obviously perhaps the worst encryption ever)
 
and a pre-shared modulo
 
I just find it hard to visualise :P
 
@thecoshman like a xor cipher
 
let me just think this out loud ...
 
@ratchetfreak With RSA, yeah. Though that weakens the thing, so there's more trickery going on. (The crypto is all handled by a library; I just do all the protocol stuff)
 
2:03 PM
say I have cards, "A, B, C", and my 'encryption' is to add two letters, I shuffle to get "C,A, B", then encrypt to get "E, C, D"... you then shuffle to get "C, D, E" and encrypt (by adding three letters) to get "H, F, G" and send that back to me... so we both agree that after both shuffling and encrypting, we have the same deck in the same order, but we don't know what that order is...
 
so, if I want to take the top card, and I want to know what is my hand, I ask you send me a decrypted version of "H"... so you send me "C", and I decrypt that to get "A"
and if that card was say, to be common knowledge... I say "the public card is A", you can then encrypt it with my public key, and your public key and you should get to what we both agreed was the top card (in it's encrypted form)
 
@thecoshman No, because encryption in general is not deterministic. Encrypting "A" doesn't always yield the same value.
(Otherwise a deck "A A B" would be leaking all the info even encrypted; whatever value is unique is B, the rest is A)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true
 
@thecoshman What you do instead of saying "the public card is A" is: you decrypt "H" with your key (here the keys are basically the same, though), and send it. Then the other person decrypts that and gets "A".
 
2:11 PM
aka when encrypting there is some random padding added to add some entropy to the plain text
 
user1804599
> Warning: Inequality comparison for REAL(4) at (1)
 
user1804599
lol gfortran warns on inequality comparisons involving floats
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes when you say "the keys are the same" do you mean my public and private key? or "mine and theirs"?
or am I confusing things with public/private key pairs?
 
@thecoshman The ones in your example: both parties just add 2.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, one was meant to be +2, the other +3...
but what ever
 
2:13 PM
Oh, you're right.
And the examples don't actually match, lol, decrypting H doesn't yield C.
But yeah.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I 'm giving it all my mathematical powers :P
 
Should have just used numbers.
 
may be :P
 
Right now my incomplete protocol does no proofs, even though I have them implemented. In a scenario where you don't trust the participants, you'd have to be sending around proofs that each deck has the same cards as it did before shuffling, for example.
 
Unicorn IV will be held in Prague
 
2:18 PM
ok, so Alive and Bob agree in plain text that we will have "1, 2, 3", Alice shuffles, "3,1,2" then encrypts (+10) "13,11,12", sends to bob, who shuffles, "12,11,13" and encrypts (+2) "14,13,15"... so both agree that this is a shuffle version of the deck...
Alice draws "14", and asks Bob to decrpyt it, so sends her "12"... she can clearly just decrypt that to get "2", but if that is meant to be a public card... would bob do the reverse? He'd ask Alice to decrypt "14", so be sent "4" and then derypt that to get "2"?
 
@thecoshman Right.
 
bob would get 4 and decrypt that to 2
 
Yeah, math.
 
lol yeah, I'm forgetting who's using what key :P
 
nwp
@rightfold why is that lol?
 
2:22 PM
so, if there was a third person... Alive would take the top card and ask One play to decrypt it, then the other, but only Alice would know the order of decyption...
presumably there would need to be a way for players to know who can be asking about what?
 
it doesn't matter whether bob or charlie decrypts first
alice asks bob to decrypt the top card then she asks charlie to decrypt bob's result
 
@thecoshman Order doesn't matter. But yeah, everyone must agree (by decrypting with their key) if someone gets to look at a card.
 
@ratchetfreak true, but they don't need to know, and shouldn't be able to know
 
and then the final decryption alice keeps a secret
 
What about if Alive is putting a card 'face down' on the table? Obviously, she needs to know what it is... would only she encrypt it?
 
2:25 PM
so a textfield that starts at 90 with the width of width of the screen minus 110, where is it's centre point?
 
@thecoshman That's the same as a card in her hand.
She knows, no one else does.
 
Alice is playing it form her hand
 
nwp
What if people vote to make the rule that only n-1 people are required to see/decrypt a card?
 
each hand is just a set of indices into the final shuffled deck
so alice can say I put card 5 on the table and the 5 means it's the 6th card on the deck
 
@ratchetfreak no... because if I shuffle the draw deck my cards need to not be messed with...
so better a separate deck... no?
 
2:27 PM
Note that everyone "knows" everyone's hand already, they just can't decrypt it.
So she just announces that "GERGDFGJCKVHB" (the blob that she drew from the deck earlier) is now in this other pile.
 
then when she "turns it over" everyone participates in the decryption and can know the actual card
 
@nwp That can be done with more bookkeeping. Each "card blob" becomes an array of n blobs where blob i is encrypted by everyone except player i.
That way every group of n-1 players can decide to look at a card by decrypting the right blob.
 
for example texas hold'em, player next to the dealer gets the top card and the n+2nd card from the deck (one to the discard pile)
 
My challenges are mostly about designing a protocol that makes all this bookkeeping stuff be usable and efficient (if you're playing by mail you don't want to send 50 messages just to draw one card).
 
2:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe a specialised email client :P
The proving you kept the same content and only shuffled sounds interesting... you need some sort of hash o the data both before and after you shuffled and encrypted that can some how verify the content didn't change
 
oooh, residue :P
 
Commutative keys can be composed into a single key (k = a * b because (x ^ a) ^ b = x ^ (a * b)).
The proofs work under that property.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't actually see anything here about being anti-self-driven
the only thing I see there is "Shit yeah, motorcycles"- he mentions nothing about actually wanting to drive it himself as opposed to simply riding a self-driving one.
 
You have a stack, and a "stack secret", which is all the info you need to decrypt it (it's an array of individual keys because in reality each card is encrypted with a different key).
 
2:39 PM
@Puppy My guess is he thought he didn't need to mention it. What I really intented to compare here were regular motorbikes and self-driven cars.
Because self-driven cars would make the issues he talks about even worse
 
So you can compose stack secrets because they're basically keys.
 
Self-driven cars aim precisely at isolating you from the road and the choices
 
@BartekBanachewicz which the majority of people is a good thing
 
@thecoshman well, if you've read the article, you'd see that it might not be that obvious
I guess self-driven cars would move us toward the virtual-reality world in which we don't get exposed to our surroundings and don't have to deal with them
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have common sense. Roads would be a lot safer if it wasn't for the stupid meatbags we let loose on them
 
2:44 PM
@thecoshman IIRC the proof works this way: Bob re-shuffles+re-encrypts the shared blobs they both have and saves this (call it X), and sends the secret he used in this shuffle to Alice. Alice composes this secret with the one she used in the shuffle she wants to prove and sends that back. Bob can now use this composed secret to shuffle the original unencrypted stack. This should now be the same as X.
 
@thecoshman that's besides the point
safety isn't the only thing that matters in the human transportation business, which a lot of people seem to comfortably assume
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's exactly my point, it would be a good thing if we didn't have people controlling cars on public roads
 
@thecoshman have you read the article I've linked?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, because I got the stink of your typical "but I want to be able to risk lives by driving and can't accept doing it on designated places away from people who don't wan't to be subject to the risk I pose"
 
@Puppy TL;DR "Motorcyclists save old men and kittens; car drivers are jerks"?
 
2:46 PM
@thecoshman well then I'm done with talking to you about it, since it hardly makes sense
@R.MartinhoFernandes more like "car drivers are robots disconnected from reality" :P
 
I don't even.
 
Oh well, roads would be safer if noone had to move at all, right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sadly, they are not. They are humans disconnected from the huge lump of metal they like to throw around the public spaces I have taken to quite enjoy being alive in
 
Motorcyclists often get disconnected from reality when they hit the pavement.
8
 
I have nothing against people doing stupid stuff, until it starts to infringe on the rights of others to live
 
2:48 PM
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman well then I'm done with talking to you about it, since it hardly makes sense
@R.MartinhoFernandes That sounds unfair.
 
Ven
Is there a difference between "right before the function returns" and "right after the function returns"?
(if there is nothing inbetween)
 
We all know accidents happen. The vast majority of the motorcyclist doesn't crash though.
 
@Ven destruction of the function's locals
 
@BartekBanachewicz maybe not, but they still do
 
@BartekBanachewicz It just seems like some whining about some perceived superiority of playing frogger.
 
2:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, he makes a point of reality. As in, real world. That's what the article is about. The fact that motorcyclists remain a part of it when they drive, and car drivers don't. I don't think he considers one or other superior, other than saying that he personally prefers one over the other.
 
Car drivers save kittens too.
And that's reality!
Get connected!
It wasn't even hard to find. I literally googled "car stops to save kitten"
 
> Car drivers often feel no responsibility for what they witness in the picture show on the other side of the glass because none of it is real.
@R.MartinhoFernandes emphasis mine
 
Xeo
This is some truly bizarro :bartek:-level stuff right here.
 
@Xeo funny what different world views do to you, innit
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's just weasel words.
 
2:53 PM
ok, article read, I am now even more confused as to it's point
 
You know, it ends with "I like being in a club that saves old men and kittens."
And two paragraphs before "Not long after that I saw a video of a female rider stopping to save a kitten from the middle of a busy intersection. Not a single car stopped."
 
@thecoshman can't wait until we'll have to repeat everything said up to this point because you'll be too lazy to scroll up and see what's been just said
 
No, I see what you are saying, but I don't get your point
 
It's really just motivated reasoning.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, okay, his opinions are pretty biased. But then again, that doesn't mean they're entirely false.
 
2:55 PM
You know, I was at a gig once someone fell over, and get helps back up, fuck those <random group of people who I don't really care about and it doesn't really matter> I want to be part of the club that helps people up when they fall down
 
I'm p sure there's a logical fallacy there somewhere
 
@BartekBanachewicz you
 
@thecoshman that's ad hominem, but thanks, it wasn't that
@thecoshman and the point was that it's less likely to happen for people in cars
and my point was that it's gonna be exemplified in self-driven cars
 
@BartekBanachewicz well yes, I'm sure he really does love his group
@BartekBanachewicz nope
 
@thecoshman I'm eagerly awaiting elaboration on that
 
2:57 PM
Self diving cars will see that someone is about to step onto the road and slow down to let them
 
it's not just about stopping to let someone pass
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't mean they're true.
 
@thecoshman it's about stopping to help someone that isn't in your way
 
so yes, drivers will become more distracted, but that's the point of cars, to get people from A to B
 
(And empirical evidence -- see above -- suggests otherwise)
 
2:58 PM
@thecoshman that's the point of cars for you
@R.MartinhoFernandes one example is hardly enough to debunk claims of statistical significance
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's one against one.
 
ha ha ha! I was about to link to articles of drivers doing to the same, but just comes up with links to people doing so resulting in deaths or jail time
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Admittedly, no proof has been presented for the other way
 
loool, including a biker
 

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