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12:00 PM
@sehe I do not doubt such porn exists. But I cannot accept it is the majority. In majority of porn you can barely see the man's face, let a lone hear him say anything.
 
Sometimes you just want shitty romance and dumb friendly scenarii with nice and respectful people in your porn.
 
@wilx It's not about "the majority". It's about ubiquitous, unfiltered availability.
@wilx Are you saying the asymmetric anonymity is ... a good thing?
 
@wilx Yeah, that's mostly two-way objectification.
 
One is a body & face, the other one is a cock.
 
12:02 PM
@wilx It's really hard to browse porn and not get into "anal punishment" or double penetration. Tell me how this is not significantly different from 20 years back.
 
@sehe What is that? I am saying while there is violent and abusive porn available (which has consenting adults being filmed and paid for what they do, women more than the men), it does not make all porn bad and abusive.
 
@sehe Are you like seriously complaining about declining quality of porn now
 
People can't read. You guys are making me angry.
@BartekBanachewicz NO (moron!). I'm saying exactly what I mean.
 
@sehe Are you saying you don't like horses?
 
5 mins ago, by sehe
> Today’s porn is not your father’s Playboy. Type porn into Google and you won’t see anything that looks like the old pinups; instead, you will be catapulted into a world of sexual cruelty and brutality where women are subject to body-punishing sex and called vile names.
I was merely saying that - though heavily biased - they have an unmistakable point
@Morwenn :)
 
12:05 PM
@sehe So what? There is a demand and supply, supply and demand. Most porn is not like that ergo most people do not like it. Even if some do like it, does not make them violent people.
@sehe I would not use the word porn for Playboy. That is merely erotic. :)
Hustler is porn.
 
@wilx Whether there was consent or adequate payment has zero relation to whether the ubiquity of more extreme porn has an effect on youth.
@wilx I bought hustler when I was young. I can tell you, it's nowhere near what I find on the nets (and I'm not the kind that goes looking very far. Just pornhub.com will do). I'll repeat: the kinkiest you'd see was a threesome. On the beach.
@wilx Agreed. Which is the whole point. There has been a significant change. This will have an effect on the newer generations.
@wilx That's irrelevant. Read again.
 
@sehe IIRC Hustler has gaping vaginas while Playboy has only closed ones with trimmed bushes. :) I probably bough one of those the last time like 15 years ago. :)
 
I was never saying people are abused. I was never saying people are "made" violent. All I was saying was that the article opener has a valid point: perceptions are going to change because (as you say) there's a lot of supply being pushed that wasn't, 20 years ago
 
@sehe What effect? The effect that the writer of the article assumes (more violence against women) is not visible in reality by any measure, AFAIK.
 
@wilx So. I know that. I made the mistake of buying a playboy once. Maaaaaan. Was that boring.
 
12:11 PM
@sehe So nothing. I am just saying...
 
That's weird, because you "explaining" that made it seem you missed my response.
@wilx Do you talk to young people?
I do. And I happen to think there is an effect. A healthy, liberating, effect. It's really quite obvious.
 
@sehe Are we in a violent agreement here or what? :)
 
Going a little bit further in the article:
> In porn, the man “makes hate” to the woman, as each sex act is designed to deliver the maximum amount of degradation
It's clear we need to toss it :)
 
Who?
 
@wilx Which goes to show, your hobby horse it too much of a holy cow, that whenever someone acknowledges a (trivial) point, you jump to fight it?
21 mins ago, by sehe
@wilx source http://nypost.com/2010/07/11/how-porn-is-warping-a-generation-of-men/
Maybe I misinterpreted "Who?"
 
12:15 PM
It was a pun like « who do we need to toss? » actually.
 
So I did. I pondered that interpretation but it didn't cross my "making sense" threshold
 
Yeah, I often don't make sense.
 
Any of my followers available for some live help with some x86 assembler debugging? Trying to start a JIT in @rustlang; getting a bit stuck
Something for you, @Bartek ?
@Morwenn Make love, not sense
 
Eh, that's not on my schedule either.
 
@sehe maybe, but I'm far from being an expert
@jntrnr @rustlang I did eventually; works now :) Nice article btw; used the code as a starting point (though mine's x86 and a bit different)
seems to be solved already
everyone is doing cool projects and I absolutely lost motivation to work on anything
IDGI
does anyone want to recommend a topic for the workshop?
I have to prepare a project that will
a) grow over two days
b) showcase all the important language features over its lifetime
I was thinking about a simple DB system, but maybe that's too... abstract and not really useful
 
12:27 PM
I got an email from Hillary Clinton
> I'm so grateful that you're on this team, Robert.
I am not. Who gave you my email?
cunt
 
are you voting for Trump
 
I am voting for no one
They're both shit
(And I'm German)
 
@Columbo Fair enough.
 
mmh maybe a version control system
I did that thing once with someone from the lounge
 
12:29 PM
Yeah, because Github roots so badly for Hillary that they sold all their user's private information
Actually, my email is simply public, so that's my bad XD
 
mmhm but VCS requires filesystem operations
that's meh
maybe an .OBJ parser
with a BMP renderer
that could be cool
and not that hard I think
 
@Columbo Right. SMTP is not a secure protocol and it doesn't authenticate parties
 
mmm that actually sounds interesting.
not sure if people find it interesting though
 
what does that matter?
 
Well I dunno I'd like the example to not just be a good illustration ideally
 
user406009
12:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz can you do something similar to the background of whoever you are teaching?
 
I have no idea what that is
 
oh cool
Xcode has builtin .obj viewer
Vertices: 3645
Faces: 6320
well, that is easier than I remember from high school ;)
 
@sehe I know
 
Ven
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Q: What is "thenable" value?

CrazySynthaxI looked at the documentation here: http://bluebirdjs.com/docs/api/promise.resolve.html and I saw the line: " If value is not a thenable, a fulfilled Promise is returned with value as its fulfillment value". My question is what is a thenable value. For example, I saw the following code: Prom...

460k reputation
and the guy still answers these questions instead of close as duplicate
 
12:48 PM
@Ven maybe that's why he has 460k, mm?
 
Ven
it baffles me that someone who spends as much time on SO as you do would answer this instead of a "close as thousands of duplicates" — Ven 6 secs ago
downvoted
that guy is so proud of his fake internet points
 
@Ven I am proud of my fake Internet point, too. :)
 
I don't have enough fake internet points to be proud of them.
 
@ScarletAmaranth It was fun, but kinda dark though :)
 
1:09 PM
The end of Assassination Classroom is sad.
 
Ell
Halloumi is so good
 
I am going to post a code block
std::pair<Vertex, Vertex> findExtents(Model const& model) {
    Vertex min, max;

    auto compareX = [](Vertex const& a, Vertex const& b) { return a.x < b.x; };
    auto compareY = [](Vertex const& a, Vertex const& b) { return a.y < b.y; };
    auto compareZ = [](Vertex const& a, Vertex const& b) { return a.z < b.z; };

    min.x = std::min_element(model.vertices.begin(),  model.vertices.end(), compareX) -> x;
    min.y = std::min_element(model.vertices.begin(),  model.vertices.end(), compareY) -> y;
any improvement suggestions?
I am not sure if trying to unionize the Vertex into an array is worth it
 
Always min.x?
 
Ven
makkros
 
1:12 PM
@Morwenn see this is the kind of mistake that's made
 
Better :p
 
@Ven but ugh
 
Ranges.
 
Do you really think that macros
 
Ven
;D
no i'm just joking
 
1:12 PM
@Morwenn has to be vanilla C++11.
maybe some C++14 elements
 
std::min_element(model.vertices(), &Vertex::x) would be top kek.
 
@Morwenn cc @Xeo
 
Note that you can probably write a mechnism to write std::min_element(std::begin(model.vertices), std::end(model.vertices), on(&Vertex::x)) in C++11.
 
can you actually ostr << pair?
 
I don't think so.
 
1:15 PM
@Morwenn is on a thing?
 
Xeo
you can write it vOv
 
yeah I am thinking about std::begin
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not a standard one, but you can find implementations online.
 
seems to be generally preferred
 
Xeo
it's not hard to implement, I'd think
 
1:16 PM
but not std::begin, just begin and ADL right
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I use the member begin when I know the container I'm dealing with, otherwise adl::begin
(aka boost::begin)
 
k I'll leave the member begin then
 
user406009
@Morwenn That's why they invented std::invoke: en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/functional/invoke
 
Or you can wrap std::min_element into cppsort::sorter_facade and actually call it like cool_min_element(model.vertices, &Vertex::x), but please don't.
 
um Extents: [-2, 4.59163e-41, 0] - [2, 0, 5.60519e-45]
I... don't think that's right
nvm I didn't fix the code that I fixed here
Extents: [-3, 0, -2] - [3.434, 3.15, 2] perfect
heh okay do I actually render that to BMP
welp fuck why not
or maybe .tga
 
1:32 PM
TIL about the uvula
 
@StackedCrooked Somehow I read vulva the first time. :)
 
So did I :)
 
I read vulva like twice in a row
 
Uvula in vulva!
 
Ven
1:52 PM
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A: Segmentation fault error. C prorgaming

sjsamYou can have variable length arrays in C ie you can do int Array[x]; but doing so with uninitialized x may not be the desired behaviour

Today in the news: UNDEFINED BEHAVIOR MAY NOT BE THE DESIRED BEHAVIOR
 
haha /cc @Mysticial
 
Ven
aaand repcapped for today
 
Heh, gratz. I havent repcapped in forever.
I cant bring myself to answer shit questions. I start looking I VTC like 80% on sight, and then get pissed and stop.
 
Ven
@Borgleader I, uh, repcap due to docs anyway
 
Oh
I'm too terrible to write docs.
 
Ven
1:56 PM
The docs are too terrible for you
I'd rather not repcap due to docs and contribute a bit to the website instead though
 
welp, writing BMP files is annoying
 
Ven
@Ven : I might have hurried a bit . Pls see the edit. — sjsam 58 secs ago
 
hi
 
Ven
hi
 
3 messages moved to bin
problem: posting it here.
 
Ven
2:02 PM
"#Cuteemohairstylesforgirls" what?
 
@Puppy sorry im know in your chatroom, can i know my wrong
 
hey, that was fun ;)
I think this would work for the workshop
uses a lot of features from stdlib, processes both text and binary files, produces visually appealing output, leaves some wiggle room for individual implementation and is short enough
and most importantly turns taboo of 3D into something edible
 
@Sarah JSON question in C++ related room?
 
@wilx sorry didn't get. json is a format that use in C++,C#,php,Java...
it doesn't realated to other room
maybe i didn't get u
 
Ven
@Sarah This is a lounge. If you need programming help, use the main website.
Also JSON isn't related to c++ very much
 
2:14 PM
@Sarah: I think you have a BOM mark at the start of the document. jsoneditoronline.org did not like it.
 
@Ven interesting, u mean, u don't use json
 
Ven
I mean "stop asking programming-related questions here"
 
@Ven Aha, sorry i didn't want to annoy u, can i know this room regulation like other room.
 
Ven
@Sarah Just click on "The rules" on the right.
 
@Ven Can you identify the bullet in the rules which she has violated? :) I couldn't.
...when I briefly skimmed through it.
 
2:19 PM
wow why i didn't see it
yes take it under Lounge<C++> on top
i couldn't see it easily
 
2:34 PM
Erdogan supporters now attacking what they say are “Gulen’s bookstores”. We have seen this story before. https://t.co/C05Mg7Xs16
OUCH
This is not boding well. This is not boding well at all.
@Sarah You've been here at least 3 times before, so you've been told before.
 
uegh for some reason triangles refuse to render properly
I'm only seeing two sides
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz Is this still that fancy C++ library?
 
@Lalaland nah, this is the thing I am preparing for the workshop
I made a software renderer of .obj files into bmp
 
user406009
If it's OpenGL, you can post a snippet and I might be able to spot the mistake.
 
vertices work flawlessly, but faces don't seem to want to
@Lalaland no, it's fully software :)
this is how the result looks right now
I'm using something like this to render full triangles
    for (int i = 0; i < face.vertices.size(); ++i) {
        int i2 = (i == 0) ? face.vertices.size()-1 : i - 1;
the debugger seems to confirm that all (0,2), (1,0) and (2,1) pairs are present
I sort the x/y so order shouldn't matter
hmpfh the pixel pairs also seem okay
face data appears okay
vertex data too
this is puzzling
welp I've drawn only one face and it's definitely not a triangle
oh wait
it apparently can't be used for vertical lines :F
 
2:53 PM
@sehe Wow, so we're already there.
 
hmpfh it helped, but marginally
 
@Morwenn Scary. Very scary. I noticed the same kind of intolerance with Dutch Turks in the Netherlands nos.nl/artikel/…
 
Whenever I watch Alisdair Meredith's presentation videos, I always wait for him to seize and keel over with heart attack, so heavy is his breathing...
 
Not everbody is blessed with the same health
 
@sehe I don't understand 9 words our of 10.
 
2:58 PM
I'm sorry. The picture says something. There was unrest at the Turkish Ambassy. Camera crews had been punched and chased away for "misrepresenting the situation".
It's just the observation that part of the Turkish population is very trigger happy against "opposition groups"
 
@sehe Huh: misrepresenting the situation
Pixels lie!
 
Yeah. It doesn't make sense (as if violence often does)
 
victory
line drawing algorithm was the problem
I think this is gonna be a good excercise
although I am not sure about the timeline
it took me how much...
 
3:13 PM
gaems
 
user406009
@Puppy ?
 
it took me about 2.5h
do you think 2x7h will be enough/too much/too little?
 
3:28 PM
user image
8
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz can I see source?
 
@Ell I've sent you gh collab invite
oh welp I think I just erased line rendering by accident
because I didn't commit it
heh
 
@BartekBanachewicz You may like that.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm on mobile so can't do anything proper but, why std::min_element ? Instead of just min
 
@Ell I don't understand the question. They do different things?
 
Ell
3:42 PM
Oh wait
Yeah my bad, I thought std::min did something different :P
 
3:56 PM
@Morwenn What is that suppose to represent?
 
@user5600875 u wot m8
 
@BartekBanachewicz i initaly thought that. but MvIII doesnt sound like m8.
 
...
roman VIII is 8
 
@BartekBanachewicz .... um, sorry didnt see that. :/ . (i was excepting it to sound like 8 )
 
4:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz is parsec any good?
 
@user5600875 Well it does sound like 8. Because it is 8.
 
@wilx meh
@Shoe it's great
 
@EtiennedeMartel .. it actually dosent. VIII does not indeed sound like an 8
 
@BartekBanachewicz ???
 
@BartekBanachewicz better than Happy?
 
4:09 PM
... the fuck.
 
@Shoe dunno
@wilx Do you really think Elon isn't aware of pretty much everything said there?
 
Ven
@Shoe Happy better
:)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno. But are you?
 
@Ven is that a pun.. or?
 
@wilx I expect there's gonna be a lot of challenges
I'm not particularly interested in all of them
 
Ven
4:11 PM
no I do know some Haskell
 
@BartekBanachewicz Lot of challenges is pretty and understatement of the year award worthy.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz I don't?
 
The kind of visual structures I like.
 
I hope they told him to fuck off
 
4:22 PM
@wilx Meh. He talks a lot about the air if the hyperloop is breached hitting people at the speed of sound, but seems to neglect to mention that the capsules are already moving at near the speed of sound, so their relative velocities shouldn't be so hgih.
 
@Puppy That is true only for the capsules running away from the breach.
 
@Morwenn IDGI.
 
yeah
 
@wilx The usual « Look mom, no hands! » when kids manage to ride a bike without using their hands.
 
4:27 PM
@Morwenn i tried that a lot back in the days. i could only do one hand. without both hands was way to diffcult for me.
 
IME it depends on the bike. I could do it without a problem with some bikes, not at all with others.
 
But I haven't ridden a bike in years.
 
@Morwenn i havent ridden a bike in 2 years or so. My bike was preety big, so it was hard to do no hands.
 
@user5600875 meh, that's not really a huge deal if you just take one hand
I drive my motorcycle with one hand often because I have to fix my helmet or phone or w/e
 
4:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz motorcycle one hand? man driving a motorcycle is already really dangerous! And your doing it in one hand? You gotta watch out man.
 
meh
motorcycles are really much more stable than bicycles
mine is really small, but the bigger ones require considerable amount of force to turn
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have seen the first one in the past. The patience of the cop is gianormous.
 
a motorcycle on it's own will stay upright
actually, a motorcycle never rides perfectly vertically, it constantly sways to both sides in a feedback loop
 
Motorcycles will naturally try to escape and kill people on their own if you don't control them.
11
 
Gianormous should be a word.
 
4:34 PM
Wow @Morwenn . that cant be real, must be photoshoped or something
 
@BartekBanachewicz Physics are cool yo.
 
The 3rd, I hear a kid crying. Geebus. :(
 
@wilx well fucked up parents aren't funny anyway
@user5600875 locked throttle vOv
 
@Morwenn That's .. a terrible thing, but also incredibly funny.
 
I only remember the funny part when I see that animation.
 
4:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz "...you are raping me, this is rape,..." -- lol.
Yes, I just laughed to somebody being "raped".
 
@BartekBanachewicz ??
 
@user5600875 the throttle could've locked
 
@BartekBanachewicz im not a motorcycle expert. sorry.
 
also lol twitter is so fucked up right now
pulling popular hashtags from trending? great job
 
@wilx y
 
4:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I wonder if the non-cops people in the videos actually think they can get away with the resistance and what do they think they can actually achieve by resisting, often innocuous inspections.
 
This went more offtopic than offtopic.
 
what topic?
 
Richard Stallman can't get his slides to project; because he uses Linux @hopeconf
ahahahahhaa
/cc @Ell
and this is not like the first time it happened
 
Ell
You can say the same about any random windows user
You forget that RMS isn't all about Linux
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hahahaha . Wow....
 
Ell
4:57 PM
He is about the GPL
 
@Ell no because they don't fail at projecting slides
 
@Puppy the police topic .
 
that was a topic?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz you think there has been no instances whatsoever where office or windows has failed to project slides?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
5:01 PM
@Ell not nearly as funny, no
 
good lord
 
oh my fucking god
and it was a refugee
good luck defending them now
fuck it
 
meh
Germany takes in a million refugees and only one of them was a murderer?
that's a better rate than the US's native population
 
@Puppy we are logical beings, people who are close minded are not
they support themselves on inductive arguments
 
@Puppy More like 2 over several years.
 
5:22 PM
definitely a better rate than the US
 
even nerds can be illogical. esp when it comes to spending money on anime merchandise
 
@Puppy they sadly don't care about rates
 
@StackedCrooked Or prerolling their dices at D&D.
 
Ven
5:38 PM
:D
 
5:48 PM
@Morwenn wow.. that girl rekt that boy
 
Some people are saying FreeBSD isn't Linux, which I strongly disagree. White text, black screen, no WiFi. Quacks like a duck.
hue hue hue hue hue
 
6:03 PM
saturation saturation saturation saturation saturation
 
value value value value value
 
valhue
 
Is it possible to get the HDR effect real time with camera?
 
I'd think it's possible to do, technically, but whether somebody did that, I have no idea
 
@wilx what do you mean? Like a video?
 
6:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
The usual shitty HDR is just tone mapping, so I don't see why not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I would expect at least 3 frames taken and processed for each resulting frame.
 
@Morwenn hehe
 
I think you'd need multiple cameras for anything decent.
 
@wilx 3-4 images like this technique: digitaltrends.com/how-to/… ?
 
6:25 PM
@Borgleader Dunno. I am just brainstorming, sort of. I did some HDR shots with my smartphone and it looks nice. I just wonder if something similar could be achieved with moving pictures.
 
You'd probably need hardware support for this
 
Nik
I've started C. It doesn't feel right.
 
@Nik You are certainly in a wrong chat room for that. :)
 
Nik
@wilx Definitely.
 
@Nik Are you looking for a code review? You can try Code Review for that
 
6:27 PM
I tried to do C++ in C few times. It was hard.
 
Nik
@milleniumbug Ah, ok. That sounds good. Thanks.
 
I would have like foo_alloc(x) and foo_init(x) where foo could be some kind of vector like container.
 
Nik
@wilx C has no class, I don't blame you.
 
@Nik But...but...but it starts with C!
Well, ends too.
 
Nik
@wilx It's still better than B.
 

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