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10:00 PM
@JerryCoffin i.imgur.com/EzdvTZX.png the rooms list doesn't populate with lounge
Grrr. extundelete will not find any useful files back for me. :(
 
@Morwenn Well, they have a bit of a problem, of course: while we treat rep as close to meaningless (and to the extent it has meaning, that meaning has little to do with real reputation). But meta (and such) apparently think high rep actually means somebody's reputable--and with users like Mysticial, sehe, Puppy and (if I may be so bold) myself as regulars, they have difficulty stemming from the fact that any one of us is more "reputable" than most of our detractors put together.
 
Haha :D
I remember hw @AndyProwl blasted every C++ question with excellent answers too when he started posting on SO. Then he calmed down.
I mean, his rep curve almost looks like a school case.
 
Ell
wow
 
@Morwenn "school case"? Sorry, phrase isn't familiar to me.
 
@Morwenn whot.
 
10:10 PM
@JerryCoffin I just put English words on a French expression I guess.
 
@Morwenn So what does it mean?
 
@JerryCoffin It means naught, for it is French
 
@JerryCoffin « textbook case »
 
Ell
my questions are really awful.
they are embarrassing
A lot of them start without a capital letter for some reason
 
@Morwenn I'm not nearly so useful.
 
10:12 PM
@AndyProwl When you're around, what's that StackRating thing? It says you're 5th but I've no idea what that means :o
 
@Morwenn As in, "a textbook case of a lounger"?
 
@Morwenn Textbook case of?
 
@Morwenn elo rating
 
@JerryCoffin How one can change behaviour.
 
@Morwenn Well, he certainly changed behavior, no question about that.
I've been a lot more dependable boring.
 
10:15 PM
@JerryCoffin Are you trying to get a perfect linear function shape? :p
@caps I don't know how this works.
 
@Morwenn elo is a ranking system. It's used in a lot of xbox games and such for matchmaking.
I'm not exactly sure how it is being applied to SO rep :p
 
@Morwenn Basically it does ratings like in chess. Each question you answer is treated like a "match" with acceptance treated as a win. Anytime your answer is accepted, that increases your score a bit. Anytime somebody else's answer is accepted, you "lost" to him, so your score goes down a bit. If you "win" over a player with high score, or lose to player with low score, that counts quite a bit. A win over a player with low score, or loss to player with high score doesn't mean much.
 
@caps It's used in chess too, I know that much, but still don't how it works .___.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh interesting.
 
Oh, ok.
 
10:17 PM
Seems like it would be hard to apply in this context where many of the "best players" will almost never encounter each other. i.e. someone who has high rep for JS answers vs. someone who had high rep for C++ answers.
 
The fact that I occasionally give new answers to very old questions with many answers and votes probably explains my shitty rating :o
 
@caps That's true, but it's only one of many reasons it works poorly in this context.
 
@JerryCoffin No kidding.
 
It makes it a competitive thing. Instead of a collaborative thing
 
@sehe Exactly.
 
10:21 PM
Plus sometimes people accept and/or vote for shitty answers too :o
 
@sehe Well, it tries to anyway. It just does a poor job of measuring the "strength" of anybody who dares think (or at least act) in terms of collaboration instead of competition.
@Morwenn They certainly do. When I've ended up looking for answers to questions on SO, I've routinely run across answers that were highly voted and accepted that were clearly just flat-out wrong. Not slightly mistaken. Not in need of care or reading between the lines or possibly just out of date--just dead wrong.
 
I had that fun example of « seriously, how could you accept that? » :p
@JerryCoffin I've seen a few of those too :/
 
@Morwenn Ewww...I hadn't seen that one before. It's the worst kind of wrong answer too: an explanation that fits what you'll find about the subject, and produces correct answers often enough to deceive many into believing it's really correct. Then, of course, when it really matters, it gives an answer that's dead wrong.
 
Me, on company hipchat. RIP
On the bright side, I'll have more room for virtual machines :(
 
Ell
oh dear :(
 
10:31 PM
@JerryCoffin Yeah. Moreover, bad answers kept piling up for months, repeating the errors of the downvoted & accepted one, obviously disregarding every other answer.
 
@sehe That's a pretty tiny silver lining in a big, black cloud...
 
Also the comment from that guy who said that my solution didn't work for every possible Gray code sequence ever (of course it wouldn't, nothing would), and then proceeded to apply a downvote .___.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. I'm generally good with backups. I lost no vital work. It'll just be a lot of papercuts (ccache config, .bashrc tweaks, history, ssl certs, VPN setup etc.)
 
@sehe Sounds pretty harsh :(
 
Yeah. I'm surprised I got it fucked up so badly before even noticing. I even went and rebooted when I surmised the /dev bind mount was the one that made my system behave erratically. I figured a reboot might repopulate /dev. And apparently it did.
But then I found out my /home was also involved and that's fatal. Means there is nothing of value to save.
 
10:36 PM
@sehe Your name is in that picture
 
I'll fetch a copy of /etc/.git and reinstall.
@caps Yeah. That happened before. As long as google doesn't index it, I'll let it slide
 
Eh, good luck with that ^^'
 
@Morwenn You would think, however, that the error in the accepted answer would have been pretty obvious. Taking 0 as an example, and assuming a 32-bit Gray code, it would obviously say anything with one bit set was a neighbor--and there are obviously 32 of those.
 
Anyway, time to sleep. See you another day :)
 
@Morwenn G'night.
 
10:38 PM
@JerryCoffin Yeah, but zero is a tricky example, because it only has one true neighbour since Gra encoding generally only takes unsigned integers into account.
Thanks :)
 
@Morwenn Okay, so 1. It says it has 32 neighbors. In fact, I'm pretty sure it says every number has 32 neighbors (well, the same number of neighbors as there are bits in the word).
 
:p
 
The sphagetti mess that is our language spec is taking me forever to clean up.
Everybody had different ideas about how the sections should look, so I'm going through and painstakingly normalizing everything.
 
Design by committee at its finest.
 
@Griwes I think it's moreso they just didn't understand how LaTeX was going to behave and what I wanted out of it.
I kind of left lots of examples but I think they were ignored...
 
10:47 PM
Ah, so implementation by committee at its finest. :D
 
u.u
 
:33745111 Why'd you remove that? :<
 
^ that's quite a drama
 
@ThePhD I thought at first the topic was spaghetti languages, not spaghetti language specs ^^;
 
10:51 PM
@Abyx Wait. Someone from the Go team went and found someone on reddit to bother them about it?
 
@ThePhD yes, that
Go Police
 
Was that reddit thread tied to Go specifically somehow...?
 
@Abyx stuck on loading for me?
 
TBH that Go Police thinks that their CoC applies to the reddit sub
 
Lol, considering how Go has been marketted, I'm not surprised they've begun policing the community
 
10:53 PM
That's... pretty hilarious.
 
@orlp TL;DR: you post a comment on reddit, people who made Go Code of Conduct send you a warning
 
Expect the Go police to show up in your forums now.
Hide your code, hide your wives.
 
@Abyx it loads now
after an F5
 
@Abyx lolollololololololol
 
(is it A or AN F5?)
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I'd guess AN because F5 is pronounced eff-five
 
10:55 PM
Go go gadget Go police
 
@набиячлэвэли they send you a dead gopher
 
gotakus
don't mess with them
 
@набиячлэвэли uhm, a gopher is a mascot of Golang
 
@Abyx :3
 
10:57 PM
@Abyx ah
 
and they call golang programmers "gophers".
 
who the fuck cares what you write on reddit
 
Ell
argh I'm stuck again :3
this time writing add'
 
Wao
Our language spec is 39 pages long
A lot of that could be latex formatting stuff, but still. Goodness.
Thankfully, the very explicit grammar that I haven't yet compacted / fixed is 17 pages long.
 
Ell
holy wow
when do you have to implement this by?
 
11:01 PM
@orlp Them.
 
lol, new MacBooks
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm in need of your assistance. See discohorde. TIA.
 
@Ell In a month. :B
 
Ell
@ThePhD Good luck :P
you'll need it
 
Really, a lot of it is just heavy legalese for "we have if/else if/else, while/for, function calls, and multi-dimensional arrays".
 
11:05 PM
@orlp unless you pronounce it f-five.
 
Ell
@ThePhD do you have to submit the legalese also?
 
@Ell Yes. Legalese is required before the impl.
 
Xeo
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Q: Is there a way to easily handle functions returning std::pairs?

Adam HunyadiC++11 has function std::minmax_element which returns a pair of values. This, however, is quite confusing to handle and read, and produces an extra, later useless variable to pollute the scope. auto lhsMinmax = std::minmax_element(lhs.begin(), lhs.end()); int &lhsMin = *(lhsMinMax.first); int &lh...

I like how everyone ignores the issue of the range being empty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you monster
 
Edge cases be complicated!
 
11:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bet you say GIF as well
after C++1z, what will be next?
C++2a?
C++2x?
 
@orlp C++1ż
ayyyy
 
C++2aa
 
by the ascii table C++2{
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ffive, obviously, for UNICODE robots
 
11:09 PM
where xxx = 987
 
the unbalanced parenthesis will surely trigger people
 
Xeo
std::tuple_size will fail for lvalue tuples, if you happen to care about those. It needs std::remove_reference[_t]. This also has the same issue as the other deref answer, in that prvalue-yielding iterators will cause dangling references through std::forward_as_tuple. — Xeo 3 mins ago
pedantic'd
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, this is so like you. :D
 
TRØGGRD
 
11:11 PM
Troggzor ? /cc @Rapptz :P
 
T̴̴͘R͜͞O̵̵͜G̴̡GR̷͘D͟
 
@ThePhD PRAISE THE LANGUAGE GURU
 
@ThePhD So are you bb <3
 
@ThePhD your code is not monospace m8
thephd irl:
 
11:13 PM
@ThePhD Well...
 
@wilx Listen.
 
Are you sure you want to use that serif font for listings?
 
Listen.
It's done, okay? ;~;
Of course. Now that you said it. I can't ignore it. Fjwahdajda
 
@orlp You had to go full zalgo on it
 
@sehe TONY THE PONY HE COMES
4
 
Xeo
11:14 PM
> fak2116
 
@Borgleader D'aaaw. ♥
 
Xeo
Are they from the future?
 
Nah, just random number assignment
 
@ThePhD Non monospace code, not justified text... 0/10.
 
@ThePhD Page 20, those &&? :)
 
11:16 PM
@wilx You're gonna make me read the whole thing, aren't you? :<
 
Xeo
> Variables are made with the and var declarations.
you a word
 
Same problem page 21.
 
I was about to point that out Q.Q @Xeo
 
Text justification is the most important issue. :P
 
It looks very nice though. Well done on the spec :)
 
11:17 PM
Now I have to look up how to justify the text...
 
Xeo
> That is, let is the same as var const, and let mutable.
you words again
 
Oxford comma is a bitch sometimes, Xeo
 
Wait, where did I miss a word there?
 
@ThePhD Table 2.1: Precedence Table, the Precedence column, it is unclear where the precedence number applies, to what rows.
 
@ThePhD ...you have to turn off the thing that turns it off. Pretty sure LaTeX justifies text by default.
 
11:19 PM
@ThePhD 3.1.1 Function Definitions, the example right bellow the heading, < return type >, the first < gets split on previous line.
 
@Griwes Oh, right. I have \parjustify in there somewhere
Guess I'll just rip it out.
 
Same issue, 3.1.2 Function Declarations.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Didn't necessarily miss a word, but the sentence makes no sense to me. "let is immutable (same as var const and let mutable)" is how I parse it
 
@Xeo :ok_hand:
 
@Xeo Oh, right. I missed a while phrase, not just a word...
 
Xeo
11:20 PM
So I was right!
3 mins ago, by Xeo
you words again
 
oops
 
Xeo
didn't say you missed only a single one :D
 
This thing is kinda too big, lol.
 
5.6 while ends up alone at the bottom of the page.
 
Ah yes, it's one of the damned SVGs.
 
11:21 PM
@Griwes o shit, a whole screen of :ok_hand:
#praise
 
Frakking vector graphics.
 
@Griwes pls.
 
@Griwes Social Vengeance Grunts?
 
@ThePhD lol
Did you miss the moment when I took all the vertical space with the svg that @набиячлэвэли was looking for? :D
 
I mean. It's got three whole parts to it. ;~;
 
11:22 PM
7.2.3 Unary Expression, strange spacing around the operators listed in item 1. Also, you still have the issue with reverse exclamation and question marks there.
 
@wilx Awh damn, that showed up there?
 
7.2.7 Relational Expressions, same issue.
 
@Griwes I opened it from edit history, so grossly incandescent
 
...and at few more places following that.
 
11:24 PM
latex.txt
 
Xeo
... generate the std 5 times for good measure or what?
 
@Xeo Each run adds more data based on previous ones
 
7.6, <postfix expression> [ expression] -- inconsistent spacing.
 
q_q
 
11:25 PM
Like ToC or sth
 
Xeo
@набиячлэвэли are you serious?
 
Xeo
wtf latex
 
@Xeo Yes.
 
11:25 PM
tfw you're proud of your Language Reference Manual but everyone finds all the things wrong with it in the blink of an eye.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Get lounged
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@ThePhD This is why code review is important!
...I need to find a slave to review my code for me.
 
Xeo
notice how we also only pay superficial attention
 
Of course Ubuntu 16.04 still doesn't know how to install on EFI boot with full disk encryption. Fuckers
 
@Xeo That's what makes it even worse: just skimming and everyone goes "Wow look at EVERYTHING that's wrong with this."
And here I am spending hours sweating trying to pull the team's work together.
 
11:27 PM
@sehe You mean on GPT? Remember UEFI and GPT are orthogonal. :P
 
7.2.10 Logical OR Expression. There is some odd double em-dash in parens.
 
@Griwes I mean EFI
That's why I said it
 
Wait, EFI EFI? Pre-UEFI EFI?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD I mean, if we actually got started on the language itself, there'd be no end to it! The superficial lounging at least ends when the paper does.
 
How ancient is that machine if it's EFI and not UEFI?
 
11:28 PM
@ThePhD Fresh eyes and stuff. Your colleagues should be reviewing this.
 
@ThePhD You've done an excellent job for a first draft; all the issues are aesthetic and the meaning can be recovered quite easily
 
@Xeo I think I'd legit cry.
 
@Xeo :D
@Abyx Wow. The cancer is everywhere. :(
 
@Griwes UEFI
 
11:38 PM
Neo-puritan, interesting.
 
Oooh, that's an interesting feature, declaring variables in an if statement
 
@Aaron3468 Even C has it, old news
 
@Aaron3468 You can do that in C++
(sometimes...)
 
Damn, I'm not getting creative enough with C++
 
if (T* a_ptr = get_the_ptr()) { use_the_ptr(a_ptr); }
 
11:41 PM
needs more auto
 
auto if (T* a_ptr = auto get_the_ptr() auto) auto { use_the_ptr(a_ptr); } auto
is this enough?
 
T*, plz this wouldn't pass code review
 
you can build a man that holds a box out of a T*
 _
|_|
 T*
  |\
 / \
such strength
STR+8
 
@Borgleader sooon C++17. soon
 
@Borgleader I know, but I wanted to make it explicit. And not have it be reliant on the comma operator. if (a;b;c; d < a + b + c) is kinda nice.
I also didn't figure out how it would work with for loops.
Because I wanted arbitrary declarations in there.
Because it becomes hard to figure out what the "condition statements" and what the "increment statements" are supposed to be.
 
11:51 PM
@AlexM. needs more auto(_ptr...)
 
I think for for loops I could make do for( { }; { }; { } )
That way you can bunch up initializers, conditions, and other stuff...?
 

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