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4:03 PM
posted on September 03, 2015 by Eric Battalio

Over on the .NET Blog: MSBuild is going cross-platform with .NET Core! The core principles of MSBuild haven’t changed much since it was launched in 2005, but the technology around MSBuild has evolved: multi-core processors are common-place now...(read more)

 
Apparently it's running a V2 CLR.
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, it's never correct to use asserts to check how the interface is being used. It's fine to have asserts checking the logic of the interface boundary itself (e.g., "if the previous code is correct, by this point, X, Y and Z should all be true.")
 
@JerryCoffin Where "previous code" is not "the code that called this function"
 
Man, trying to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment to a millennial schmuck is so aggravating. Why do I even try, I should just let him fail.
 
4:16 PM
@caps Correct--"previous code" in this case would be code in the interface itself, that's (for example) assuring that the parameters that were passed are suitable for use by that interface (especially if the checking is on the complex side).
 
@JerryCoffin So the order is call function, check check parameters, handle invalid parameters via exception, debug output, etc., then assert that parameters are correct before using them?
 
@caps Something vaguely like that, anyway.
 
There's not much gained by asserting on the same things you just checked
 
so has IRC been given up on already?
 
4:24 PM
@thecoshman not by me
 
@CatPlusPlus If it's truly asserting exactly the same things, no. In some cases, however, you have at least a few ultimate effects that you depend upon that are quite a bit simpler than the full checking code, and it can be worthwhile to assert them.
 
@thecoshman not yet
 
Well, don't you assert, essentially, that your parameter checking did its job?
 
@caps Yes.
 
@TonyTheLion IRC?
Ah, I see it.
 
4:27 PM
3 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
snackchat sucks, check out #loungecpp on freenode network (IRC).
 
I'm tempted to flag something stupid so that the flagger is outed
 
3v0
how come this is botany++ now
 
@3v0 It's always been botany++.
 
3v0
isnt this c++
 
Oh, no, that's Lounge<C++>. Horrible place.
 
4:28 PM
@Jeremy how do you figure that would work?
@Jeremy oh ghastly
 
3v0
I cant find it in the chat room list
and stop kicking me
its not my fault it directed to here when I returned to the damn chat
 
no ones kicking you
 
@thecoshman It is him?
 
just leave
 
3v0
well I just got kicked
 
4:31 PM
@ElimGarak is which what?
 
3v0
I just got back here, earlier it was called c++
 
The flagger. Jeremy.
 
@ElimGarak apparently it was don vOv
@3v0 nooo can't be
 
3v0
the URL goes to here for the c++ chatroom.
 
what C++ room?
 
3v0
4:34 PM
if you dont like me talking about this well maybe it shouldnt have brung me here
lounge C++
 
why do you need that?
 
man, I hate being brung place
 
3v0
because I wanna chat, in the chat room called c++
 
maybe file a bug report on meta or something
 
@thecoshman Me too. I just want to stay at home with my plants.
 
3v0
4:35 PM
for chatting
 
@3v0 Then stop talking about chatting and chat.
That kind of metatalking is boring.
 
@3v0 rooms are transient, so maybe it's gone now.
 
25489509 My SO profile, my blog, my GitHub profile, and word of mouth.
 
3v0
it has always been there as far as Ive known
oh well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wait what o_0
@3v0 things die, move on.
 
4:37 PM
@Prismatic curious
 
@3v0 Why were you kicked?
 
3v0
Moving on..
 
It's snipe so probably that's why
 
3v0
im not snipe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "omg a girl" (or near enough)
 
3v0
4:37 PM
my nick clearly says 3v0
 
hahahah
 
@3v0 lol, how did you know he was referring to you
 
> or near enough
 
3v0
because of pevious chat
 
@Prismatic My SO profile, my blog, my GitHub profile, and word of mouth.
Goddammit, that was complicated.
@sehe Not sure I understand.
 
4:39 PM
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "are you unemployed" ffs
 
@Jeremy nice
 
3v0
nice post but im still not snipe
 
@Jeremy loool
 
@3v0 do you have anything to add to our discussion of plants
 
4:40 PM
@3v0 Shut it or you're out again.
Talk about the plants.
 
3v0
well leave me alooooonnn!!!
 
That's not how chatrooms work.
 
@3v0 That's not how things work here. You need to flag any messages that give you feels to earn personal space.
 
3v0
?
I know little about plants
 
@Jeremy absolutely not
 
4:42 PM
Plants fuck weird.
 
3... 2... 1... sperm everywhere!!!!
 
Laying stuff everywhere... Ew.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I saw snipe change his name the last time he was banned. It's him.
 
3v0
I said leave me alone
 
hey you guys! I think 3v0 is Snipe
 
3v0
4:44 PM
no, im 3v0
if I am snipe it would say FUCKING SNIPE
 
@thecoshman Now, why would someone do that? Just change their name, just like that?
 
3v0
jees
 
seriously, if you want to be left alone, feel free to leave us alone
 
just plonk him already
 
3v0
what ae you on about
 
4:46 PM
@thecoshman Not the weird bits at all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean you don't walk around with your hands oozing sperm?
 
/r/nocontext
 
@unordered_meow /r/evenwithcontext
 
3v0
MEOW
WMEO
 
So... Did someone give up their career in programming for botany?
 
5:01 PM
programming? This place is about gardening
you silly pansey you
 
What's "programming"? Never heard of it. Is it a pokemon?
 
3v0
the best pokemon is ancient mew
 
wut
&& at the end?
 
*this -= rhs; wut?
 
5:09 PM
I think OP is trying to specialise operator- for the case where "this" is a temporary
 
weird
 
and yet more flags...
 
they weren't in this room
 
Not in this room. But with a familiar name.
 
oh yea the name
 
5:11 PM
I know :) - just a rant....
heck, I'm allowed a rant now and again aren't I?
 
of course :)
 
Yes you are. :)
 
$20 a month for IntelliJ IDEA, AppCode, CLion, PhpStorm, PyCharm, RubyMine, WebStorm, ReSharper, ReSharper C++, dotTrace, dotCover, and dotMemory
pretty good if you're a small business I guess
 
Personally, I prefer to take out my anger in violent video games.
 
@Prismatic Where is this?
 
@Prismatic That is not a bad deal.
 
user1804599
xD
 
such botany
 
> This new distribution model will replace the perpetual licensing model that currently is in place.
they are doing the adobe thing I guess
 
MaaS, Monies as a Service
 
5:19 PM
If only it came out now instead of November.
I'm job hunting now. I need development tools now.
 
If you're a student I think the tools are free for you
 
@LucDanton can I order 2 monies?
 
Just got this memo in the office. Sharing wide and large so everybody gets the word about @daigledopple. :) http://t.co/hezKCRq4Q7
 
@JonClements you are amongst angry friends
@EtiennedeMartel so like... was that a formal warning?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Somebody got butthurt?
 
5:31 PM
I'm pretty sure it's a joke.
 
3v0
I think I may have a heart attack soon
 
3v0
hi
 
@BartekBanachewicz when did you come back btw
 
@AlexM. I'm not back. Just popping in time to time
 
5:39 PM
when did you stop not popping in from time to time
btw
 
when I came back from "vacation"?
dunno, some days ago
is it important?
 
you were banned? :O
 
@AlexM. VACaction
 
I want to store one bit per key in a hash map,
is there something like an implementation of std::unordered_map but hybrid with vector<bool>/boost::dynamic_bitset?
 
> vector<bool>
yikes
 
5:42 PM
don't think that's possible with STL compliant associative containers
 
it doesnt have to be STL compliant
vector<bool> isn't
 
3v0
yesno
dunnno
 
dynamic_bitset isn't either i think
 
if that's not your requirement then sure
 
3v0
is dunno more no than yes ? since it contains the word no
 
5:43 PM
it would be nice to have but an iterator over a bit must use a proxy so it can't be a compliant iterator
 
don't know any though
 
I haven't had much luck with google :/
 
3v0
magikarp
 
Wasn't Eric Niebler working on making std::iter_swap a customization point and giving it some overloads so that it would be possible for std::vector<bool> to be a container by slightly changing the definition of what a container is WRT std::iter_swap?
 
@gnzlbg use case?
 
6:02 PM
@Morwenn please no
 
user1804599
guys
 
user1804599
I'm bad at eyeliner.
 
@Morwenn my sort uses std::swap(val, *iter) :(
@elyse never mistake eyeliner for a knife
 
@elyse That's quite hard at first.
 
bah, fell asleep for a few hours, what've I missed?
 
6:03 PM
@orlp Well, too bad.
 
@elyse eyeliner aka nope
 
user1804599
@JonClements everyone has migrated to IRC because it doesn't have broken throttling and flagging systems.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman why nope :(
 
also it doesn't have transcript
 
not sure if I linked this before
 
6:05 PM
Hey, that's actually true :o
 
user1804599
@unordered_meow what's absent can't be broken.
 
user406009
What happens in the IRC stays in the IRC.
 
@elyse brilliant... if it's less flags and issues, go talk on IRC
 
@orlp I don't think so.
 
IRC is a filthy ciscript
 
user1804599
6:06 PM
die cis scum
 
@elyse I can't handle poking shit at my eyes like that :\
 
user1804599
If you put eyeliner on your eyes then you're doing it wrong.
 
"Apply eye liner straight to eye ball."
"Finish with a dusting of salt."
 
user406009
Now I just need to create a UI for the IRC that is exactly the same as the UI for this chat.
 
user406009
And we will have completed the cycle.
 
user1804599
also skirts suck
 
user1804599
they limit my movement capabilities
 
user1804599
now I can't walk up the stairs two steps at a time
 
@Prismatic Good for students.
 
6:09 PM
@Prismatic To be fair, who would say no to Nathan Fillion?
 
get a longer skirt then
 
Hell, I'd have sex with him and I'm not even that much into guys.
 
user1804599
at least I can do an autoupskirt lol
 
i dont know who nathan fillion is
 
He's the guy in that gif.
 
6:10 PM
@elyse don't wear such tight skirts
 
I got that part
 
user1804599
I don't have any others.
 
user1804599
;_;
 
then stop bitching
 
He's mostly known for his roles in Firefly and Castle.
 
6:10 PM
well, that's a problem
go fix it
 
Long skirts are the worst in stairs. You keep walking on them.
 
I should watch firefly. Its been on my stuff to watch list forever
 
@EtiennedeMartel wait what, he was the main guy from firefly?
 
@thecoshman He's the captain.
Malcolm Reynolds. The "I aim to misbehave" guy.
 
my lord he's looks like a sack of shit compared to when he did firefly
 
6:12 PM
The only skirts that don't have a problem are those that are just below the knee. No autoupskirt problem and you dont walk on them.
 
He's less slim, that's for sure.
 
@thecoshman That was 13 years ago, remember.
 
@orlp It's pretty calm, that's cool :)
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ dude, what is your nick in IRC
 
@Morwenn Obviously they are The Only Right Choice then
@caps Jofffrey :P
 
6:16 PM
@unordered_meow That's why kilts are generally fine.
 
3v0
unoderd meow
 
How can one log in as a user without password, but without home, too?
 
without what too
 
(a.k.a. is there any "global" authorized_keys file?)
 
user406009
@набиячлевэлиь For what? Logging in a user in which scenario?
 
6:19 PM
@unordered_meow Created with --no-home
@Lalaland Over SSH, authorization with a key
 
@набиячлевэлиь a.k.a. homeless users
 
@unordered_meow (a.k.a. Robot)
 
user406009
@набиячлевэлиь You make a guest account.
 
user406009
With a home.
 
user406009
With all the keys you want to use it.
 
3v0
6:21 PM
lalaland
 
user406009
(In /home/guest/.ssh/authorized_keys)
 
So you need a home after all
Alright, thanks!
 
3v0
your user pic is bliss.jpg?
 
user406009
It's just a random picture that I found. That matches my username.
 
3v0
oh , because XP is the best
for this reason alone
 
6:24 PM
@caps Jefffrey
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Okay good. I wasn't sure, since cicada had grabbed that one at some point.
 
Nah, he grabbed Jefffrey_ and Jefffrey__
Mine is registered
 
3v0
6:37 PM
unordered_meow can I call you rooser teeth?
ROOSTER TEETH*
 
hmm
I've suceeded in creating a contraption in Starbound that functions as an airlock that automatically clears the airlock of water and opens it when it's dry
not sure how to keep it open until the player passes through though
 
Hey puppy join our IRC channel
Everybody is there
 
I could do but why would I
 
why has been everyone looking for lounge alternatives as of recent?
irc, mumble, then "the thing to replace mumble"...
 
probably thanks to trolls and flaggers
 
6:50 PM
@unordered_meow basically this
 
it's a phase
 
user1804599
7:03 PM
no mods :D
 
user1804599
so you can post things
 
It's not the mods that are the problem. It's the over-sensitive trolls who get peeved and flag everything.
 
user1804599
Post about it on Meta Stack Overflow! Oh wait. :P
 
mumble is obviously for voice chat
 
user406009
Mumble's text chat is also nice.
 
7:11 PM
Jon is one of the first (probably the first) mod to make a significant effort into making things better for the Lounge and chat in general. As you can clearly see from the starboard.
 
user1804599
Jon for Mod!
 
user1804599
Oh wait.
 
@Mysticial I can't believe you just said that
 
7:37 PM
> #loungecpp: Horrible protein farts
what.
 
3v0
7:58 PM
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!11
eleven
 
HELLO
 
what is this thing
 
@3v0 do you always greet in caps or is it just a thing you're trying?
 
@OMGtechy He's snipe
 
3v0
its my thing
 
7:59 PM
a.k.a. a lame trell
 
3v0
shut your hole
 

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