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Ell
3:00 PM
@TonyTheLion hi :)
 
@Ell how are you? You haven't been here in a while?
 
Ell
I just got back from spain
 
@TonyTheLion I think he was traveling back.
 
Ell
I am well thanks, how about you?
 
nay too shabby
 
Ell
3:02 PM
good good
I'm moving to bristol in 2 days woop
 
Back in the UK?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah :)
 
Ell
I forgot how much I love paella
I will miss it here now :3
But I'm glad to be back
 
pizza leftovers this evening
 
3:05 PM
@Ell Where were you living?
 
Ell
@thecoshman well. I'm still kinda living there, I'm only going to uni
Midlands area
intentionally vague :P
I have tried making my own pizza
it has not been so successful
I think it is probably better with a wood burning oven or w/e
or one of those pizza slabs
 
@Ell next time I come over that way to visit the family, we should meet up so I can get some time away from the family.
 
@Lalaland I installed stargazer for firefox. How do I see deleted messages?
 
Ell
@thecoshman Sure thing :)
Nope :D
 
@Ell keep an eye out for me mentioning making such a bad decision
 
3:09 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a hell of a task
Did you use merge-sort?
 
> This is actually very similar to Haskell typeclasses, and, surprisingly, works
 
hi @BartekBanachewicz!
 
.3 seconds until Haskell reference.
 
Request For C??
 
3:13 PM
Request For Cock
 
most importantly, is this code valid?
 
@Rapptz hey bub I watched Types Don't Know # (thanks btw) and I realized I already do something similar with template<typename OStream> operator<<, conclusion Howard copied my code once again
 
I don't give a flying fuck whether OP actually gets it to work in VS2013
but I don't want to spread nonsense either
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not you too
 
and what's funny
Clang generates a warning for that unused base template parameter
... for the template that isn't instantiated
 
Ell
3:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It looks fine to me o.O
Though I'd prefer no default implementation
 
it's not like anyone's gonna call that one
should be static_assed away anyway
 
template<> int getX<A>(A const& a) :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what?
 
Why not just overload?
 
> For real usage I would use functors to allow partial specializations, though.
he wanted specializations vOv
 
Ell
3:18 PM
I think because he wants to overload on return type
 
that doesn
 
Ell
oh wait
he is taking different types anyway
 
int f(int);
string f(string);
// overloads changing return type (but not only!)
 
Ell
yeah idk why not just overload
maybe because he wants to restrict the implementation somehow
 
this Q could be answered with a one-liner
"Use Haskell instead"
 
Ell
3:19 PM
oh wait he doesn't want to do that :3
I think he should just use overloads
 
Praise the Church of Barskell
 
vertex_declaration(
     stream( 0, vertex_element{ ... }, vertex_element{ ... }, vertex_element{ ... } ),
     stream( 2, vertex_element{ ... } )
)
 
ThePhD inspired me to play around with OGL on Lunix. Love his delicious tears.
 
How does that look for declaring interleaved / non-interleaved data?
@ElimGarak :c
 
@ElimGarak you feed on other people's tears do you?
 
3:21 PM
@TonyTheLion Only if they are spawned from failure to produce pretty pixels.
 
heheh
 
FFS
> Btw I just read you shouldnt chat in the comments maybe we should move somewhere else?
NO OP WE CANT BECAUSE YOU NEED 20 REP
fucking SE
this isn't even funny anymore
 
@BartekBanachewicz Give him lots of upboats.
 
@ElimGarak I'm gonna start playing around with OGL on OSX. Now that's gonna be funny.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I await your reports of sadness.
 
3:23 PM
@ElimGarak I've been meaning to get back into my little plaything...
 
@ThePhD Dunno, Jefff got Hate to work on OSX already
 
@BartekBanachewicz I enjoy 4.1 tears just as much! :P
 
Compat backend is 3.3 so
 
Oh, man.
 
should really "just work"
 
3:24 PM
I'm doing 4.4 or bust.
 
rootdom@starfleet:~/Repos/test$ clang shiet.cpp -o deliciousTears -lX11 -lGL -lX11-xcb -lxcb
rootdom@starfleet:~/Repos/test$ ./deliciousTears
PhDs_DeliciousTears has confirmed this machine supports OpenGL 4_5.
PhDs_DeliciousTears has successfully acquired an OpenGL 4_5 context.
 
Wow. ;~;
 
@ThePhD whatever
 
Ell
bvao.setup_interleaved({
	{program.attributes["position"], identity<glm::vec3>()},
	{program.attributes["normal"],   identity<glm::vec3>()}
});
 
3:24 PM
people did cool games in OGL 2.x
 
Ell
^this is what mine looks like so far :3
 
lol amazing everyone making C++ OpenGL engines
games made so far: 0
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some of my code paths are OpenGL 3.3
 
games made playable on the jam: 3 1/2
 
And I have switches
 
Ell
3:25 PM
I'm not making a game engine thankfully
 
this is just pure hilarity
 
im still a noob :/
 
Ell
hey my game was playable :P
It even had recordings of myself
what more can you ask for?
 
did you upload the binaries actually
I forgot to check
 
@Ell free burgers
 
3:26 PM
Since OSX comes with ruby preinstalled I guess I might try it :S
 
Ell
I don't have binaries yet :P
but I just got back earlier today
 
Some of the OpenGL 3.3 functions are just... vastly inferior to the OpenGL 4+ ones.
Like glGetProgramResource
 
@ThePhD no, really
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's probably not worth your frustration in all honesty
 
welcome to two years ago
 
3:26 PM
And that suite of querying functions.
 
@Ell can I get the game?
 
@Ell wait so running a ruby program isn't easy
why am i surprised
what's hilarious is that because of people using shitty technology like node.js and ruby I actually have my job
 
> GL_ARB_program_interface_query [?] 465 48.19%
Not very good penetration circa 2015.
 
@Ell I thought it was.
 
So I have to drop back sometimes.
 
3:28 PM
Meh, query functions.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Human work is based on waste.
 
Query functions r da bes.
 
if you're doing queries in renderloop you're basically a newb
 
But what I'm REALLY happy about is...
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I guess
 
3:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz job security
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which one is the half?
 
You can't fire me I know NodeJS
 
@Mr.kbok dunno didn't think about it
 
> GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects 707 73.26%
 
was just a random number to point out C++ is a shitty language to make anything working in it
 
Ell
3:29 PM
@BartekBanachewicz it's easy for me
 
Look at that sexy high number.
 
@BartekBanachewicz They're all playable, even if ell's is a pain to setup
 
Ell
idk why people have so much trouble vOv
@Mr.kbok aww thanks :D
 
Forward SFINAE to the caller. A complete mess.
 
Ell
I still need to set up windows and play yours
 
3:30 PM
@Mr.kbok wtf could be a pain to set up
 
@BartekBanachewicz did you try on linux
 
@ThePhD screen result: a white triangle
@Mr.kbok Do I look like a homeless 19 yo to use linux
 
Ruby just WON'T INSTALL on windows
 
I'm fully aware that ruby is a piece of shit
 
hence pain
Did you play mine @BartekBanachewicz
 
3:31 PM
shitty technologies are great if you don't actually have to work in them
@Mr.kbok not yet
I'm gonna get all the games today
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz what languages are not "pieces of shit" then?
 
They're great for staring at
 
they should be on wiki
 
I hope this number increases too:
 
@Mr.kbok Windows is trying to protect you
 
3:32 PM
@Lalaland Haskell, and derivatives, C# and most stuff on .NET, strongly-typed JS dialects, Erlang and ecosystem, a lot of lisps, python, Lua and derivatives
 
@ThePhD <length of penis>
 
> GL_ARB_vertex_attrib_binding 461 47.77%
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which OSes are you on? Only OSX?
 
@Mr.kbok windows as well on my workstation
 
Because separate input bindings are pretty much the greatest thing ever.
 
3:33 PM
> PHD_plug_length 10.2 21.0%
cc @AnastasiyaAsadullayeva
 
VS's default project folder hierarchy is just bad
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz all of those use a GC. What do you use when you can't use a GC?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I think I can get you a windows build tonight, I'll check
 
@Lalaland dunno, Terra. Besides GC languages often support manual memory mgmt anyway.
 
These numbers are slightly misleading because it's by GPU count, not necessarily actual sales count.
 
3:33 PM
@Mr.kbok Don't forget the width!
 
@BartekBanachewicz ofc this is windows so I need a machine with NOT XNA installed to check -_-
 
Apparenly, GLX is still terrifyingly shitty and hopelessly intertwined with xlib. And why the hell is X11 still a thing? Wellp, at least xcb makes the horror more bearable, when you do away with the xlib dependency early on. Wellp... But I have to admit it is fun.
 
X11 is wtf indeed
 
@Mr.kbok i have a dev setup there if that helps
not sure if I have XNA
 
I'd like to have a system to build packages anyway
Not for this game necessarily, just generally
 
3:35 PM
btw isn't XNA dead
 
Hi.
 
Hi, Nooblet. <3
 
why don't more people develop games using Hate
they are crossplatform :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz It is, but my MonoGame install was broken for some reason
 
@BartekBanachewicz <3
@ElimGarak <3
 
3:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Isn't that the name of that murder simulator game? Oh, that was Hatred.
They spoiled your brand.
 
I'm gonna add Web support as well
 
@BartekBanachewicz The API is the same so I thought I would just forward-port afterwards once my install was fixed (I noticed 15 minutes into the jam, so not feeling like fixing some unknown issue)
Turns out I upgraded MG and it works fine, I even have WP support
 
Ell
@ElimGarak yeah x11 is terrifying
 
that's why you setup dev before the jam
 
Ell
but they're moving away from it
 
3:37 PM
Nooble.~
 
@Nooble Hi
 
@BartekBanachewicz I meant to, but I found myself short on time
 
Yeah, some bold moves. I am not exactly sure how Mir is going to fare. It seems rather slim.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak I was talking about wayland, actually
 
@Nooble y u change avatar
 
3:38 PM
Yeah, Wayland is respectable. Mir was actually spawned post-decision to use Wayland, though.
 
@Nooble I like your "about" field.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Actually I did check if the build worked, and it did, but the content pipeline did not (which I only noticed later)
 
@ElimGarak It crashed already.
 
@Mr.kbok OIC
 
Ell
@ElimGarak yup
 
3:38 PM
I have a super cool plan to allow Hate use URLs for resources
 
Ell
canonical are the bad guys in linux community I think :V
 
and just download textures and stuff directly over HTTP
I was also thinking about integrating with Firebase
 
Jokes aside, fuck Canonical.
 
because I freaking love Firebase
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like that java api :P
 
3:39 PM
@Ell For sure.
 
@TonyTheLion Hi.
 
@Ell is this the company behind noobuntu
 
Canonical... those Ubuntu Store freaks?
 
@Nooble Hows school?
 
3:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
 
@Ell which one
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I'm just testing the way chat crops images, changing it back shortly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like yours too :D
@TonyTheLion Too much homework.
 
@Nooble :(
 
@Nooble what is this
 
user406009
@ThePhD So, (if you don't mind me asking), which is the swankiest team to intern with at Microsoft? What should I beg my recruiter for?
 
3:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes damn robot, you too!
 
Logging in/out doesnt help — Paul 11 secs ago
 
@MarcoA. What?
 
@Mr.kbok What is what?
 
ITT chat is broken
 
3:41 PM
@Lalaland Everything's fun, but I liked my time at Game Studios the most.
 
3 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@TonyTheLion HOW TO SUCK COCK
 
@BartekBanachewicz nothing new
 
magic word
 
@TonyTheLion :( -> (:
 
@Nooble What is this line from what does it mean I don't understand
 
3:41 PM
@Nooble you like homework? Wait what?
 
@MarcoA. Purely demonstrative.
 
@Lalaland I've been wanting to be an intern on the compiler team, though.
 
@Mr.kbok Ask Robot, I stole it from him.
 
Maybe one day.
 
Jun 4 at 14:43, by milleniumbug
Then who lies in 1901?
 
3:42 PM
@TonyTheLion You have to turn that frown upside down.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is this line from what does it mean I don't understand
 
Explanation there.
 
@Lalaland go with Azure
 
@Nooble Its not a frown, but a sad face
 
Hydra project is kinda cool
 
3:42 PM
>:|
 
Original quote read "Who lies in S01 I say?", but I translated the game jargon.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Are you going back there this summer? Working at the same company as another Lounger would be quite a temptation.
 
@TonyTheLion >:{
 
@Lalaland Nah. But @GManNickG works (worked?) there, though I didn't get to meet him, just message him.
The span of Microsoft is truly massive.
It takes a while to walk or ride from end to end, and sometimes people are literally in the next city/town over.
 
@Nooble oh
 
3:43 PM
@Lalaland The DirectX team is the coolest bunch (sincerely).
 
@Lalaland Also, if you want to apply, apply NOW.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks.
 
People are already applying.
And they're ahead of you.
The spots fill up quick.
You wait until after this semester and you'll be left picking up the shittier jobs.
Apply now, get a HUGE berth of choice.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Already have an offer.
 
I got into Game Studioes by applying in October.
@Lalaland Most excellent.
Also, the pay is good (even for an internship) and if you're smart you can get a nice single and still have plenty of money leftover, even with you buying all your own food.
 
3:45 PM
It always seems there's a lot more exciting jobs and interships in the US
 
Try to save a bunch of the money. Also, if you're more social than me you'll go to the crazy events and all the other stuff they host for interns.
It's a pretty great experience overall. Just make sure to take your work seriously.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I can't remember quite. I think it was constructing a URL object did dns lookup
or something similar
 
@Mr.kbok But then you get shot by the police and other things
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva That's part of the genuine experience of the american dream.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Only if you're black
If you're a girl you get shot by a crazy asshole, too
 
3:48 PM
@Nooble I think it's time to change mine, though.
 
time to listen to some kpop to raise the gayness
 
@Nooble WHY DID YOU CHANGE YOUR AVATAR
This skrub, man, I'm tellin' ya
 
There, much better.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too.
@набиячлевэлиь Explanation above.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva post it here
 
3:49 PM
@набиячлевэлиь Why do you care, it's still a koala
 
@milleniumbug It's different visually
a.k.a. I need to read the name
 
Racist
 
@ScottW late to the party I see
 
Xeo
Rapptcist
 
lol
we should get them stargazer hats
@Lalaland you there?
 
3:52 PM
lol
 
?!?
 
A first I found decltype(auto) handy to replace the times when I simply did a decltype of the whole return expression. But it's actually not that great since it inhibits SFINAE.
 
lol, really?
 
@Borgleader ^ It's all good now!
And I'm not making any OpenGL calls mahself.
 
Xeo
3:57 PM
@Morwenn It just does not provide for SFINAE
 
Life be great.
 
Xeo
it doesn't inhibit it
 
@Xeo I just had no idea how to formulate that pedantically.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you want the serious answer or the non serious answer?
 
SELF-TODO: fix up BlendState, DepthStencilState, SamplerState stuff and work on texturing.
@ElimGarak HAHAHA You will get no more tears from me!
 
3:59 PM
Anyone has info on chatoverflow protocol?
 

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