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8:00 PM
@nabijaczleweli lol Windose
 
@Nooble No guarantees on Linux, though a similar script runs on a build server just fine
 
I don't know what to think anymore
Windows wins by default; Linux has to seriously work it to win the war
I want Linux to win and then I realize I'm locked into the way Windows works
 
@VermillionAzure Don't care, am super scrubby and still use WinXP
 
@nabijaczleweli That OS is like Windows God
The other one is Windows 7
 
Planning to install Win10 on a separate HDD, though and check it out
 
8:02 PM
I've never used XP.
I mean I have.
But I've never used it as my main OS.
 
@nabijaczleweli How fast does the task manager comeup
@Nooble It's just awesome
So is 7.
 
lol XP sucks
 
@VermillionAzure Huh?
 
I want windows 10 to be good
 
@nabijaczleweli How fast does the Task Manager come up in 10 when frozen
 
8:03 PM
but deep down I know its gonna be shit
 
It's good in the same way 98 was good, i.e. there were no better ones at the time
 
@VermillionAzure idk
 
@CatPlusPlus I disagree I guess
XP was great
Stable, not many crashes, good compatibility with things that came before, fast, light, etc
Only 7 was the same way. But 7 started to run a little bit hot with the Aero themes which got annoying
 
lol stable
Entire NT line is stable in the same way
XP had shitty security model
 
@MoH. It's fine.
 
8:05 PM
@CatPlusPlus Isn't NT the kernel for XP anyways
 
I've been using it for a month now as my OS.
 
@Nooble HOW FAST DOES THE TASK MANAGER COME UP
WHEN YOUR RESOURCES ARE TERRIBLE
 
@VermillionAzure Well I have an SSD.
Uh.
 
It doesn't depend on the OS hth
 
@Nooble I heard there were expecting a ton of compatibility issues, anything like that so far?
 
8:06 PM
Finished upgrading our edge routers. That went SO much better today.
 
@MoH. No not really.
 
@VermillionAzure Implementation-defined
 
Except for one piece of software that specifically checked for the OS and deemed itself incompatible.
 
@nooble ahhh, alright cool
 
@nabijaczleweli Well duh
Runtime performance is always implementation defined
@Nooble Why don't you answer me question
how fast. seconds. ms. go.
 
8:07 PM
@VermillionAzure Half-joke, you scrub
 
@VermillionAzure Okay how do I measure this
 
@Nooble just give me an estimate
 
You know what I'll screen capture and run a stopwatch next to it.
 
god it's not that hard
 
@VermillionAzure Less than 500ms.
 
8:08 PM
@Nooble under high pressure
 
@VermillionAzure How do you want me to simulate that?
 
@Nooble don't you recall a situation like this
 
@Nooble Benchmark
 
@VermillionAzure No.
 
My god I've had to restart my freaking i7 laptop with a GPU and good RAM because 8.1 cannot open the freaking Task Manager with high priority
 
8:09 PM
@VermillionAzure Conclusion: scrub
 
I'll open like 20 programs or something.
and 50 tabs.
On Google Chrome.
 
@Nooble That doesn't do anything really
It won't matter if any of them aren't on high performance websites
 
I'm all alone in my cave :S
 
@VermillionAzure Oh I got a good one.
 
user1804599
@sehe caves are nice and cold.
 
8:11 PM
they are
 
I'll run one of those WebGL tests.
 
@Codester Almost like beer
 
@sehe OH MY GOD YOUR VOICE IS LIKE NOT HOW I EXPECTED
swoon
 
user1804599
i wanna go to work
 
user1804599
because airco
 
8:12 PM
Spawning a high priority process takes the same amount of resources as spawning a normal priority process hth
 
@VermillionAzure What did you expect, the Spanish inquisition?
 
@nabijaczleweli I expected a deeper booming dad voice
 
@VermillionAzure Okay so. While running a WebGL test, CS:GO in the background, using y-cruncher to calculate the billionth digit of Pi, and an SSD benchmark thing: Still less than a second for me.
I'm pretty sure this isn't OS dependent though.
 
@Nooble CPU usage?
 
@VermillionAzure 100% on 12 threads.
 
8:13 PM
@Nooble No, this is fucking OS dependent.
 
No it's not
 
@VermillionAzure Everything is dependent v0v
 
My Windows 7 with an <i3 or something with LoL running and Chrome always brought it up
My Windows 8.1 laptop with an i7 and GPU will NOT.
 
You suck at diagnosing things
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't really fucking care about the numbers like most people. The experience is what matters.
otoh what os is sehe using
 
8:15 PM
lol
 
@VermillionAzure Experience is defined by numbers
 
is that mint
 
Everything's a number
 
It's not about numbers
It's about recognising factors correctly
Also control groups
 
@VermillionAzure Does your i3 machine not have a GPU :P
 
8:16 PM
@Nooble it does not. and it didn't have an i3.
it was LESS
I just know that I can't switch in 8.1 for 7 on that rig. It would probably die.
 
And none of that means that it's OS-specific issue
 
Yeah you'd have to test it on the same machine.
 
@Nooble dude
some thing is wrong here
I have a vastly more powerful computer with a newer OS. The older one beats out the newer one.
 
Beats out what on what in what conditions
 
What's wrong? I took a look at the task manager, and why are there sooo many freaking services in 8.1
 
8:18 PM
lol
 
The conditions are where the computer starts to churn and halt.
 
Newer Wins are a performance improvement, a bunch of the time
 
@nabijaczleweli Not in this case in the high pressure situation lol
 
Your testing skill is v good
 
8:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus grammar dat. my skill test sooo much well.
 
@Nooble How's it going? Did it work?
 
@nabijaczleweli Yep on the VM.
Now to test if it can link.
 
@DonLarynx well better than expected: "so agile", "javascript rockstars" or "so stinking of bacon"
 
We are all members of a secret club. Obviously you didn't get a membership invite. — Robusto Feb 25 '13 at 20:38
 
8:32 PM
 
@MarcoA. This is a joke, right? Satire?
 
it seems not
 
Yo
 
Yo.
 
8:44 PM
@MarcoA. @caps I don't understand what's so outlandish about that site.
 
nothing special, it's a simple software company which specializes in food chains. The name is funny though.
 
It took me an embarrassingly long time to understand what was going on with that site
 
@Jeremy Mostly the picture of the tomato with a bar code stamped on it
 
@Jeremy "Why do programmers use foo" I've done this.
 
@Nooble Did it work?
 
8:53 PM
@nabijaczleweli Sadly not, turns out you need to set some compile flags from within CMake.
 
@Nooble Hmmmm... Output?
It also assumes, that -lopencl can be found in default and -L.
 
@nabijaczleweli Err one second.
 
So uhhh
Should I seriously try doing this livestream stuff?
 
@VermillionAzure No
 
@VermillionAzure Yes.
Woah.
 
8:55 PM
Thats 1-1 kids
 
It builds.
I'm a koala, my vote counts for three.
 
@caps You should see all the bells and whistles that POS systems use in Washington state marijuana dispensaries
 
@Nooble Cuteness is not power
 
@nabijaczleweli It built this time. Now to run the sample thingy.
 
They have to comply with so many regulations...
 
8:56 PM
@Nooble W00t w00t
 
Who'd watch a stream of me writing tutorials?
 
Me.
That's three people.
 
That's one.
Anyone else?
 
@VermillionAzure Noone, 'cause deemed misleading
 
@nabijaczleweli by who?
 
8:57 PM
@VermillionAzure Wasn't there a discussion about that a bit ago?
 
@VermillionAzure sell the subscriptions (and then drop the project and move to Hawaii. ... Oh wait)
 
@sehe eh heee heee hee
@nabijaczleweli try again
 
/cc @rightfold here goes:
In case you're interested, here's the live-stream of me answering this question. (experiment) — sehe 14 mins ago
In case you're interested, here's a live-stream of me answering this question here, around the 20:45 mark. You can see how I share your frustration with some aspects of Boost here and there :) (experiment)) — sehe 11 mins ago
 
user1804599
nice
 
@rightfold Does that seem like something of a useful format?
 
user1804599
8:58 PM
also it's not a livestream
 
user1804599
@sehe Yes.
 
those would be the vods for the stream, since its no longer live ;)
 
yeah. Well. It's a fossilized live stream. Even though it's no longer live streamed, it would be very different had it not be "conceived" as a live stream
 
user1804599
Fossil is really nice.
 
user1804599
Querying the repo with SQL is awesome and super fast.
 
8:59 PM
@VermillionAzure cough cough [deeper voice] Weren't your tutorials deemed bad by the collective? Or were they someone else's?
 
@nabijaczleweli Who is Cinch?
 
@VermillionAzure You're Cinch
 
@nabijaczleweli whooosh
 
No, that's me.
 
...
I'll try it anyways.
 
9:01 PM
@nabijaczleweli His tutorials are fine.
 
I'll have a stream, at, say...
5:00AM UTC-0
 
@Nooble Probably, just remembered about some tuts being deemed bad and associated it with him.
 
@CatPlusPlus How do I git gud at GW2?
 
@VermillionAzure ~Midnight 'murica
 
10:00PM PST? I think that'll do fine.
Wait a minute
 
9:03 PM
7AM Europe
 
I can start earlier since I get off earlier
 
@nabijaczleweli We are very (constructive) criticist of them, but that makes them not worse than other materials. In fact, it might make them more likely less bad.
 
Perhaps 9:00pm PST
That'll probably do bad for most of y'all though.
 
user1804599
And actually not arcane.
 
@nabijaczleweli See for yourself.
 
user1804599
9:04 PM
SQL is easy to memorise unlike Git commands, since I use it all the time.
 
SQL grammar is very regular. Git subcommands are very irregular
 
@sehe /agreed
 
user1804599
OH MY GOD I HAVE A GOOD IDEA
 
user1804599
GitSQL
 
Or or or!
 
9:05 PM
Could work for some.
 
NoobleSQL!
 
@rightfold You're now sued for copyright infringement gitsql.net
 
user1804599
wrong
 
@MarcoA. Thinking of the same name does not infringement make. It just means it's a pretty generic or predictable name
 
if that is a registered name, it is
 
9:06 PM
@sehe That word order hehe.
 
user1804599
no
 
@Borgleader Join some guild and have fun instead of trying to git gud
 
@MarcoA. Nope.
 
user1804599
you're either trolling, a complete moron or just very bad at the law
 
@sehe can I call my software "Windows" ?
probably all of them!
:]
 
9:06 PM
@Nooble I like to think that's rather idiomatic. ICBWT
@MarcoA. Nobody named anything anything yet
 
@CatPlusPlus I'll have to transfer the guild I made to my alt before doing that. Dont want to lose that one.
 
1 min ago, by Marco A.
@rightfold You're now sued for copyright infringement http://www.gitsql.net/
premature
 
user1804599
we should go the Sonatype way and require all products to be namespaced by the reverse domain name of the owning company
 
@Borgleader You can be part of multiple ones
 
wait you're serious... joking with you is hard.. "we just thought of the name, we can't be sued"
...
 
9:08 PM
mirror?
 
@CatPlusPlus Really? I totally forgot about that fature if i ever knew of it
 
if I were to take everything written here literally..
 
@sehe "...does not infringement make" should be changed to "...does not make infringement". I think. The first one looks a lot like German word order.
 
You just can't represent more than one at the time
 
@Nooble certainly not
== English == === Alternative forms === one swallow does not make a spring one swallow doesn't make a summer === Etymology === An allusion to the return of migrating swallows at the start of the summer season. From a remark by Aristotle (384 BCE - 322 BCE): "One swallow does not a summer make, nor one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy." === Proverb === one swallow does not a summer make One instance of an event (such as the arrival of a single bird) does not necessarily indicate a trend. 1886, Louisa May Alcott, Jo's Boys, ch...
 
9:09 PM
But rep is per character
 
Butt rep is for characters
 
@sehe Oh. Never heard it said like that.
 
Cheers
 
@sehe weird form indeed
 
user1804599
@sehe lol jumbo faalt met adverteren (zie reacties)
 
9:11 PM
Well uh
I guess I'll start my livestream at 9:00pm PST. Star if anyone cares (I doubt it).
3
 
is that 11am CEST
 
Not bad at all, actually
But I remember there being some controversy(?) about it here in the Lounge
 
user1804599
is what 11am CEST?
 
@VermillionAzure That's midnight for me.
@nabijaczleweli Yeah there was.
Back when Lori was still here.
 
Livestream of what
 
9:14 PM
Hawaiian girls
 
18 mins ago, by VermillionAzure
Who'd watch a stream of me writing tutorials?
 
@CatPlusPlus It'll be on writing Compact CPP and I'll talk all about it. Methodology. Content, etc. I'll be listening to you guys as well.
 
I just want to hear his voice.
I wish we still had Mumble :( cough @CatPlusPlus cough
 
@Nooble I'm sick right now so I suppose things won't go that well. Figures.
 
@VermillionAzure You can't be that sick.
 
9:16 PM
@Nooble Not sick enough to stay out of work. But that's not saying much.
 
Cough what, I'm not paying for things that nobody cares about
 
@VermillionAzure What do you work in?
@CatPlusPlus I'll make a strawpoll.
 
@Nooble I'm an intern for a bioinformatics group at a cancer center over here. I work in R.
 
@VermillionAzure That sounds cool.
 
@VermillionAzure definitely cool, congrats
 
9:18 PM
@Nooble It's okay. It's basically glue code + GUI development.
At least I get stats experience.
 
@VermillionAzure I'll be curious whether it will moderate your stream of conscious by clipping off the excess energy for voice chat, or that it will actually cause the thinking to stop entirely. It could go both ways I feel
 
@Nooble That reminds me, more ppl need to sign your petition ;)
 
@Nooble flirting two sysadmins is working counter productive for me :)
 
@sehe I don't want to sound my age. or younger. Asians tend to act more immature if they're introverts and socially undeveloped. I'm not sure what I am.
 
@Borgleader Hehe.
 
9:19 PM
@VermillionAzure none of the above, from where I'm sitting
 
@Nooble I don't think a strawpoll is enough to convince the cat to pay for it
 
@TBohne :(
 
user1804599
only etienne is on mumble
 
@sehe meh idk what that means
 
9:21 PM
Someone can start it up ad hoc
 
I suppose...
 
Won't be me tho
 
what is mumble
 
user1804599
better to just use hangouts
 
user1804599
if you're antigoogle then stop using the search engine as well
 
9:23 PM
@VermillionAzure Voice chat group thing.
 
Hangouts manage to have worse call quality than Skype
 
I nekopara'd my steam profile
 
A what
 
anime
 
9:27 PM
I wanted to use this initially but it was too much even for me cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/items/…
 
@AlexM. what
 
@VermillionAzure you don't come across as any of the above. You should listen to me mime and mash the words the words as I type... :S
 
@sehe eh. whatever you say...
 
@sehe your stream was fairly interesting
 
ergh... problems
 
9:33 PM
Thanks.
I'm quite surprised, really. But I guess this is what I hoped for trying it
Mmm. Now. I probably should make it a habit to forcibly exit the streaming application before switching to porn browsing...
 
@CatPlusPlus how much was the server to host mumble? just a normal €5/€10 vps jobby?
 
@thecoshman I hosted it on a $5/mo VPS
 
@sehe Hahaha yes, yes you should. Some game (League of Legends) streamers did forget.
 
I will probably reinstate soon.
 
It was the big one for the project platform and stuff, but yeah some small one would be enough
 
9:35 PM
I probably wouldn't mind doing that
 
@Borgleader Yeah. I fear it might happen. Anyways, part of the goal of having the stream is to not get sidetracked/distracted so easily.
 
is there much pita to actually hosting/managing it?
 
I have enough server shit at work which makes me automatically not want to do it after
 
(inb4 lounge is convinced I spend half the day browsing porn instead of programming :))
 
@sehe that's @tony
 
9:36 PM
@thecoshman Absolutely not. Basically "apt-get install mumbe-server" or similar
 
@sehe .....................
 
I could host it on the server I have already I guess... but I think I'd rather go for another one...
 
@VermillionAzure don't tell me you already spotted my favourite site...
 
@sehe i'm sorry sehe, but SO doesn't count as porn.
 
You guessed it
@VermillionAzure ENOTADULTENOUGH
 
9:38 PM
@VermillionAzure Well there's std::back_inserter.
 
Mumble authn/authz is annoying as fuck but otherwise it's low effort
Mostly bandwidth hungry
 
@CatPlusPlus really? I never noticed
 
vOv If there's still interest by weekend, I'll look to sort it
 
Well not if nobody's using it
 
@CatPlusPlus have Xeo host it
 
9:39 PM
@Nooble std::? = std::move(sizeof(?))
 
@thecoshman Haha you think that Lounge interest in something can last for 3 whole days
 
Jun 1 '12 at 7:04, by sehe
Mumble update: Total bandwidth used: 776Mb (638/137 TX/RX). Not a problem with the hosting :)
 
@CatPlusPlus (the perfect get out clause)
 
Oh maybe I should buy the VPS.
 
Jun 1 '12 at 0:18, by sehe
Ok, the bandwidth cap on the VPS hosting Mumble is 375 GB for the month.
 
9:39 PM
@Nooble DO do €5/mo vps that should do job
 
May 31 '12 at 22:47, by sehe
That mumble thing is making me a bit nervy. I'm not used to thinking about the noises I make
This. Still happening with the live coding thing.
 
that's with 1TB transfer vOv
 
What's a good host?
 
Your mom
 
9:40 PM
May 31 '12 at 22:53, by Ell
Haha I once said "you turn my floppy drive into a hard disk " on Skype once, that wasa mistake. My friend was recording me, he sent it to my girlfriend who proceeded to play it In the car with her parents, that was embarrasing!
Lol. Why was that never starred
 
@CatPlusPlus No, your mom's turtle!
 
you know in bash scripts you some times get program <<EOD ... ... ... EOD what do you call that notation?
(that's new lines btw)
 
Heredoc
 
@Nooble I am Malganis, I am a TURTLE
 
and program $var <<EOD ... ... ... EOD should be passing $var to program... right?
 
9:42 PM
@Borgleader I never played Hearthstone ;_;
 
@thecoshman no, it passes $var as a commandline argument, and the heredoc as stdin
 
are there any questions I should answer during the livestream?
 
malganis = why the hell is warcraft 3 so hard
 
9:44 PM
@VermillionAzure ... It has come to this
 
in my case
 
@sehe yeah, that's what I meant and want
 
"What?"
"This. This moment."
 
so I must just have a problem in script I am passing to expect... and I really don't want to have to write the script to a temp file to call it... this main script is meant to be a one stop jobby...
but it's starting to look like it might be easier
 
@thecoshman what does it do
 
9:46 PM
@VermillionAzure what does what do?
 
@thecoshman your script
 
@thecoshman I've always shunned expect. The concept seems
 
I just pipe things into other things and hope for the best
3
 
@Henrique I didn't joke when I said it's a QOI issue; GCC 5.1 doesn't even accept the rvalue-ref version of the invocation (it's explicitly deleted). I'm not sure whether this is actually due to a standards defect report (DR) or just a nice gesture from the GNU libstdc++ implementors. — sehe 19 mins ago
 
ergh... I got caught up with thinking this was a good idea... now I'm just doing it to challenge myself (sort of)... it's a script to take a fresh install and setup a mail server...
 
9:48 PM
@thecoshman I admit to using perl + XTest extensions to automate remote RSA dongle logins (for keep-alive RDP)
 
@sehe vOv but when you need to automate some things, it's really fucking handy.
 
@thecoshman You're doing it wrong
Expect is not a configuration management tool
 
@CatPlusPlus what exactly?
 
@thecoshman It's almost always the wrong thing to do. Point in case, I've used linux extensively/exclusively for ~15 years and managed to avoid expect
 
For provisioning you want Ansible or something like that
 
user1804599
9:50 PM
Perl is great.
 
I found my debit card!
 
@Nooble remember to post it to @rightfold
 
ok then... trying to get encfs to setup a it's foo. I want to enter the password to use at the start of this big script (along with whatever else I'd have to) so that I can then just let it run away doing it's thing. At some point, it's going need to run the encfs command, enter 'p' when prompted, then the password... vOv
 
@sehe Hehe.
 
@CatPlusPlus this isn't really a grand plan to re-roll shit over and over... more just curious if I can boil it down to "clean server, download this script, start it, answer few questions, come back to set up server"
 
9:52 PM
Doesn't matter
Still the wrong tool
 
but yeah, at this point I've probably spent longer trying to get expect to set up this encfs than if I had just manually done everything :P
 
Does anybody actually use credit cards nowadays?
 
I do
 
but yeah... thinking I might just give up with this... just use the VM to test the process manually
 
9:53 PM
Yes?
 
Rarely
 
though I guess if I really want to be 'proper' with this, I should work out how I can take a fresh VM and bring it up to scratch
 
@thecoshman rings a bell. xkcd.com/1445
 
@CatPlusPlus what's a decent free equivalent then?
 
Ansible is free
 
9:59 PM
for 30 days :\
 
All of them are, really, they just build their business on enterprisey versions
Tower is not free
Ansible itself is
 

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