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8:00 PM
@Fanael It's that guy.
 
welp
according to CPU-Z, my cores were briefly running at 100 quintillion hertz.
2
take that folding@home.
 
what shall we say
I'm at my keyword's end there
 
user1804599
protected is an abomination.
 
Depends on the kind. Spirals are ok. As are hormone implants
 
user1804599
It's completely useless.
 
user1804599
8:13 PM
It's effectively the same as public.
 
Oh. That
 
user1804599
protected internal is useless as well, since it's effectively internal, but then again friend is way better.
 
that sounds way more promiscuous than you intended
 
user1804599
I decided to write the indexing tool myself.
 
user784668
@sehe So what?
 
user1804599
8:15 PM
It can currently index and xref Go code. Working on Python indexing now.
 
@rightfold makes too much sense
 
protected virtuals actually work nice in C++.
 
user1804599
The problem with protected is that anyone can still make a subclass which publicises the member.
 
user1804599
So it's actually not protected at all; it's just public.
 
Yeah, so?
No it isn't.
 
user1804599
8:16 PM
It's the same bullshit as abstract classes with no abstract members.
 
user1804599
Which are luckily not possible in C++.
 
user784668
@milleniumbug Why not private virtual?
 
protected are part of interface to the derived classes.
That's the point.
 
user1804599
So are public members.
 
@Fanael private virtuals being overridable is counterintuitive as fuck.
 
user784668
8:18 PM
@milleniumbug So, it's C++ as fuck.
 
@rightfold Sorry what?
 
@rightfold They're part of the interface only to the derived classes.
 
I thought the inheritance keyword only limits access?
i.e. if I inherit as protected, all the public members become protected in the child
 
inheritance what
 
8:19 PM
inb4 Google Padawan
 
user1804599
Inheritance is terrible.
 
i.h. class Derived : protected Base will downgrade Base members from public -> protected
 
@Cinch We're not talking about protected inheritance.
We're talking about protected members.
 
Protected members are fine?...
 
They are.
 
8:21 PM
Inheritance is terrible, I'll give you that
It creates automatic coupling
 
user784668
Of course in C++ it's irrelevant because even private is almost exactly the same as public.
 
@Fanael What.
OH MY GOD MY LUDUM DARE IS SUCH A FAIL
I've been programming C++ boilerplate for two days already
WTF (should've gone with a framework)
 
ludum dare is that gamejam thing?
 
yes
I feel like an idiot
 
That's what happens when you write C++.
 
8:24 PM
C++ is probably one of the worst languages to actually create the game in. You create the underlying framework, not the game
Ugh.
 
Should have written in Python.
 
unless you use engines
 
Next time I'm going to try go with Python or something
 
or use an engine
 
@milleniumbug No, that's what happens when you attempt to write C++ when you don't know C++.
 
8:25 PM
that lets you code in C++
 
@Cinch That's the fun part (for me!)!
 
user784668
@Cinch Explicit template instantiation ignores access control (14.7.2/12), so you can write a template that creates an global function that returns a pointer to whatever private member you need.
 
@Nooble It is! It's just not good for Ludum Dare at my level yet
 
@Griwes No, that's what happens when you are two levels of abstraction too low.
 
It took me a couple of hours, but I'm now done with a Config file parsing thingy.
 
8:26 PM
@Fanael That's literally complaining that if you REALLY try to break the system it breaks.
It's like if I complained that my phone breaks if I drop it from 3 stories high
 
@Griwes no that happens when you can't tell the difference between a game and an engine
cinch can't
 
user784668
@Cinch I'm not complaining.
 
@Cinch C++ doesn't protect you from Machiavelli, only from Murphy is what he really said. :P
 
most people fucking can't from what I see on gamedev.se too
 
@AlexM. "Don't write engines, write games" or something. :D
 
8:27 PM
@AlexM. ...
Yeah you're right
 
@Fanael Nice, one can write private_cast.
 
@AlexM. Hah. Just look at some topics at gamedev.net. It's a hilarious site.
 
HELLO I WANT TO MAKE A GAME I'M STUCK AT IMPLEMENTING SHADER SUPPORT HELP ME PLEASE
 
@AlexM. That's true
Bah next time I'll go with Corona or something
 
@AlexM. HELLO I WANT TO MAKE A GAME BUT IT GIVES ME UNDEFINED REFERENCES HELP ME PLEASE
^ is more like it
:D
 
8:28 PM
@Cinch no, go with C++ but choose an engine
UE4 lets you code in C++
 
user784668
@milleniumbug Doesn't work for constructors and destructors, but for other member functions and variables it's fine.
 
NeoAxis lets you code in C++
 
@AlexM. C++ is not a good productivity language
Too verbose
 
@Cinch It is, provided you are writing code on the right level.
 
shrug
 
8:29 PM
Something light and easy like Lua or Python is much better
 
This is one of the hard parts of this language.
 
@Griwes I'm writing on the right level
 
You have to recognize the level on which you should be writing code.
 
something light and easy like yoghurt with fruits is what I'd like now
 
It's just the wrong level to be writing for
 
8:29 PM
If you are reimplementing containers while trying to "write a game", you are at a terrible level.
@Cinch No, that means you are on the wrong level... :D
 
@Griwes Exactly
I'm writing at a level that's good for C++ but not good for making a game
I'm actually implementing a Sprite_Pool class right now using shared_ptr and weak_ptr
 
C++ is good at a wide range of levels.
 
@Griwes agreed
 
So. I just axed cut my answer short. Couldn't bring myself to delete it complete. Let's hope the OP gets the idea
 
From being an assembly language (yes, really) to being an extremely high level language (yes, really).
 
8:31 PM
> (meanwhile, life happens...)
 
@Griwes Yeah I do agree
It's why I chose C++ as a first real language
 
So, the trick is to either a) enjoy writing everything from the ground up and not caring about anything, or b) be able to find libraries that abstract the low level mud away for you.
 
@Griwes Yeah
 
@LucasHenrique Hi back. Long time no seen
 
I don't know what does b) nicely
I have SFML and SDL but I might as well switch to another enginge
 
8:33 PM
Wouldn't it be better use more compiler flags insted of implementing your own containers?
 
@LucasHenrique Sorry wtf?
 
@Cinch Unity? Unreal Engine?
 
@sehe Konnichiwa :)
 
@Cinch That's a level too low, IMHO.
 
@Griwes I don't feel good about either
Unity is too bloated and Unreal is too bloated for simple 2D
I want something like LOVE2D but with Mobile support
 
8:34 PM
@Cinch I don't thing you'll find much better ones in other languages, tbh.
 
@LucasHenrique I'm ok. Tired though
I'll be off soone
 
@Griwes I just want 2d
 
user1804599
Time to piss.
 
Ooh
 
In other words, I don't think that the "game engines suck" problem is limited to C++.
 
8:34 PM
@Griwes LibGDX I hear is really nice
 
@Cinch I mean more optimizations
 
> Unity is too bloated
> Unreal is too bloated
 
@AlexM. FOR 2D!
 
wat
 
Ugh maybe I should take a look at Unity2D
 
8:35 PM
@AlexM. inb4 C++ is too bloated
 
@Griwes Some people might say that
 
Bloat is too bloated
 
@Cinch Cocos2D is nice.
 
C++ does have a lot of options
 
@Cinch Heck, I'd say that. :P
 
8:35 PM
@Nooble It's Cocos btw
 
I read something about VS adding actual support for Cocos2D
as well as UE4
 
C++ basically has 2 languages inside :P
 
@Nooble is it really?
@Griwes 2.5 if you count C++11
 
And of those, one is partially untyped.
 
What the fuck.
I can't edit because it was made 3 hours ago...
 
8:36 PM
@Cinch No, I mean normal code and templates.
 
@Griwes Oh.
 
2.5 if you count C++11 constexpr.
 
Well it can have 3.5 then
 
There we go :)
 
actually, it can have 4.5
if we count assembly
 
8:36 PM
@Cinch Yeah I've used it before.
 
It can have over 9000, but that's not the point
 
@Nooble How nice is it and how high level is it?
 
I like razer synapse
 
@Cinch well, not this much for Assembly
 
such a nice way to have a single control center for all your peripherals
damn these people with their monopoly-inducing convenience
 
8:37 PM
@AlexM. :D
 
@Cinch Well it's not too bloated and it's a game engine. So: pretty nice and moderately high level.
 
You learn a bit of Assembly from C++, but if you want to learn the real language you must make hard searches :v
 
@Nooble "What's moderately"
 
@milleniumbug agree
@Nooble refresh thy browser (and don't boot into windows anymore)
 
Ah fuck it
I might as well go with something else
Unity time
 
8:41 PM
SE Careers has just linked me to my current work position. :D
 
@Griwes nice?
lol
 
@Griwes it knows too much
kill it
 
@sehe :P
 
Hey @sehe what's the name of the C++ -> Assembly tool you told me some days ago?
(that online one)
 
user1804599
gcc.godbolt.org
 
8:43 PM
^
 
@Cinch I mean it's still a framework. It's not as easy as Unity or Unreal, but not as hard as SDL or something.
 
@Nooble I think I'll just begin playing around with Unity
I'll start doing String parsing using Boost or something later
 
@Cinch Alright then :)
 
And then when I'm ready, I'll get down to creating my own wrapper around SDL for Haven
 
user1804599
I wonder what happens when you copy a mutex in Go.
 
user1804599
8:44 PM
The behaviour is undefined.
 
user1804599
 
Xeo
that's just bad.
 
user1804599
yeah you can't prevent copying :P
 
@rightfold @sehe thanks
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
8:48 PM
Let's implement a mutex!
 
HOLY SMOKES
Unity is too easy
wtf
 
lol
 
wtf is wrong with me "Cinch let's make a game engine" "best idea you're had Cinch" "alright buddy" #Cinch-so-idiot
 
Mar 29 at 22:51, by milleniumbug
@Cinch Teach a man to make a game, he'll make a game. Teach a man to make a game engine, and he'll never make neither an engine nor a game in his lifetime.
3
 
I don't get cinch
 
user1804599
8:51 PM
Well, that was easy.
 
user1804599
Only 16 lines of code!
 
right
remounted my CPU fan and sucked out some of the dust and now it does not idle at 100 degrees when underclocked to half it's rated maximum frequency.
 
I need to clean up my PC too but too lazy
I'll do it once I buy a new case and other stuff
 
user1804599
Then the need is not large enough.
 
8:54 PM
the GPU is louder than usual
but that's it
 
ok, still 100 degrees at load, but the clock speed hasn't quite crashed through the floor
 
user1804599
Too much cooling paste.
 
user1804599
No wonder it gets hot.
 
oh no, it was much worse before that.
 
Xeo
@Puppy that sounds really bad
 
user1804599
8:58 PM
plottwist ºF
 
@Xeo I'm pretty sure that the CPU is just defective and always has been.
and you can't even see the visible charring on the chip and the socket from that picture.
 
user1804599
Buy a new CPU before you have to buy a new house.
 
this was such a great game
 
I'm planning on it.
 
9:00 PM
playing TCP/IP with some mates long ago is one of the nicest memories
 
sbi
Good evening.
 
but I can't afford it until my tax rebate comes in.
 
sbi
Hey, @Puppy, had we ever settled on some evening in Bristol?
 
no.
 
user1804599
Nevermind I made a slight mistake. Thank you very much! — PTN 52 mins ago
 
user1804599
9:02 PM
PTN you cock y u no accept answer.
 
and I'm pretty sure that since we spoke I may have some additional arrangements anyway
so give me your availabiltiy and I'll check with my other plans and see if they conflict.
 
sbi
@Puppy I arrive tomorrow night. James has just suggested beer on Wednesday. There's a dinner on Friday. I'll leave on Sunday.
 
Wednesday I can't do
but Thursday would be fine
 
@AlexM. You know, Diablo 2 was fun, but the more I think about it, the less I like it.
 
my other plans won't arrange themselves that soon
 
9:05 PM
It's one of those games that, at least for me, hasn't aged well.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was just a young fry at the time and had different expectations and desires from a game at that pooint.
 
Tedious and grindy is what it is
 
that's what it is now certainly.
 
Best thing about D2 is was and always will be cutscenes
 
I prefer Diablo 3 because the grinding isn't as obvious.
 
9:06 PM
Really
 
D3 made a lot of good and positive changes I think
but it broke a few key things
 
Or, rather, it's more streamlined.
 
@EtiennedeMartel welp, you're talking to someone who still sees Diablo 1 as a perfectly playable and fun game
 
I honestly never got back into the game.
 
(more fun than D2)
 
9:06 PM
@AlexM. That is even worse.
 
sbi
@Puppy The conference schedule still only says "Possible Evening Event" for Thursday night. If they don't think up something, we can have a beer on Thursday night.
 
D1 was unbalanced as fuck
 
I recognize D1's historical importance, but it was flawed as shit.
 
@sbi Metaphorically speaking, since I can't drink beer.
 
sbi
@Puppy That's not a problem. I'll just drink yours, too, then.
 
9:08 PM
@Puppy I went back to it with Reaper of Souls, and I have to say it's good now. Or, at least, it's no longer frustrating.
I'm playing with a few friends, we're creating hardcore seasonal characters and we try to get as far as possible.
Then, when a new season starts, it's time to start all over again.
I have to admit the social aspect of it all kinda hides most of the game's issues.
 
@sbi That can certainly be arranged.
@EtiennedeMartel Probably explains why it never really clicked for me, since my patience for depending on others is limited.
 
I'm currently running a monk. Doing rifts over and over again, bashing on loot piñatas.
 
@EtiennedeMartel RoS made D3 so much better, and seasonal characters are cool
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds like a Yahtzeeism
 
but no on i know plays it anymore, so i play HS/HotS (the moba) and WoW
 
9:11 PM
@Puppy It's actually mine. Or at least I didn't hear someone else say it before I did.
 
sbi
I haven't played DII in ten years. I know for sure because the last time I had planned on playing, a bursting amniotic sac got in the way. :-/
 
@Borgleader It still has the same core problem of being nothing but a thinly disguised Skinner box.
But I don't think you can fix it without making it not Diablo. All you can do is add more and more padding to the box's button.
Also, the story is horrendous. I really got the feeling that the writers and designers never talked to each other the entire time.
 
Holy shit
Unity is sooo easy
It's like suddenly discovering lube after 15 years WTF!
 
part of me thinks cinch can't be serious
the other part knows it's seen worse
I don't even know what
 
Nice, my own messages that quote my older starred messages get starred.
 
9:20 PM
@AlexM. Love you too
 
TIL there are deaf people playing CS
and they're good enough to reach the highest rank in matchmaking in the world
 
@AlexM. lol instead they use tazers
 
@AlexM. I hope he's not. So far he has been behaving like a narcissistic wanker.
 
user1804599
in Eiffel it's implementation-defined whether and and or are short-circuiting XD
 
user1804599
if you want to be sure you have to use and also and or else xD
 
9:25 PM
@rightfold My old teacher said Eiffel was his favourite language.
 
@rightfold lol even better than Visual Basic
 
I was lmfao'ing all over the place
 
@Columbo was he French?
 
Eiffel is my favorite tower
 
@Columbo Sorry what?
Am I really that bad?
 
user1804599
9:26 PM
Eiffel is great.
 
@Cinch sorta, yes, you have lots of "I have no idea what I'm doing but I'll talk as if I do" stuff
 
@Cinch Your profile reads "I am a college student at a university (ambiguous, much?)."
 
@AlexM. (Am I not entertaining?)
 
is cinch cicada
 
@AlexM. well great...
Sigh.
 
9:27 PM
@rightfold ... but it's pretty uncommon, though
 
@AlexM. not afaik
 
@AlexM. Don't insult him he'd get offended.
 
I think me asking whether or not a troll is cicada only makes him stronger
@Borgleader yeah I think so too
I remember cinch having history as cinch
 
user1804599
@AlexM. her*
 
I have no idea what triggered cinch's current behavior
he was different a few months ago
 
user1804599
9:31 PM
Anyone in for a close vote?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What?
@Scrubbins You'll have to wrap the inner bind() in a std::function(). Did you tell me that back then? (I think it's been two years, BTW.)
 
@AlexM. What are you talking about?
I don't feel anything.
 
@sbi Quite possibly.
 
sbi
@LightningRacisinObrit Feigling!
@Cicada That's unnecessary, you know.
 
@AlexM. you do really like Cicada, don't you?
 
user1804599
9:41 PM
> C, C++ and Assembly programmer. Python and D (dlang) enthusiast.
 
user1804599
coooooooooooooooooooooool D
 
user1804599
I like D almost as much as I like the D!
 
How is this word game called in English?
pan?
 
tuna?
 
user1804599
pun
 
9:43 PM
Yeah, that's it
D is a really cool language.
WTF did I just type
I think in Portuguese and try to write and English. And these things happen.
> D is a really like language.
 
Wait a second.
@LucasHenrique...
You have less rep than me.
God damn it.
 
I definitely noticed that low reppers seem to care about rep a lot more
 
I'm used to ask and reply on pt.stackoverflow.com
 
@Puppy Yes. I must be the lowest or I start feeling inferior.
 
@Puppy don't be arrogant
4
 
9:50 PM
@LucasHenrique what
how about Japanese
About D, language nice, it is in past; but about now D langauge mediocre it is.
 
Are you laughing at my grammar or making a Star Wars joke?
(or D's grammar)
 
@LucasHenrique No I'm just thinking about how weird Japanese -> English grammar is
 
Yeah. Even compared to portuguese it's weird.
 
"Let's use C++ to create a game engine." ->
"C++ subject, game's engine object exist make now do"
 
"Eu sou Lucas" -> I'm Lucas
 
9:53 PM
Japanese is almost like a programming language which is why I suppose speech emulation is easy for it
 
user1804599
Ik ben een vrouw.
 
Almost no context for Japanese pronunciation
It's almost in the same form
(TIME context, PLACE context, X subject, Y object, VERB tense imperative suffix)
 
"Watashi wa Rukasu desu" -> I Lucas am.
 
Koala noises
 
lol
Why the hell am I with this gravatar picture.
Gimme a second
 
9:56 PM
@LucasHenrique "Koko kara soko made, ore wa benkyou shimashoo"
 
user1804599
bukkake bukkake bukkake udon
 
Here from near you to I study do.
 
I don't speak japanese but I'm trying to
What the FUCK
How can someone understand that?
 
@LucasHenrique It's pretty damn clear actually if you get it
___ FROM, ___ TO
____ SUBJECT, _____ OBJECT, _____ IS/DO
 
I can get "I do study near to you from here"
 
9:57 PM
It's like how you need to define things before you use them in programming
 
It's it?
 
i.e. int SUBJECT; int OBJECT; subject = object;
Perhaps that's why Japanese people have a more conservative society
their language is built to be "closed" is it's harder to chain new concepts together grammatically
i.e "This is now NEW"
"This is now NEW2"
 

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