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3:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus You should have to set the value in only one place, but not as remote and obscured. Otherwise I agree that it shouldn't be repeated
 
@Jefffrey We found an instance of that in our code base not long ago (it was const int TWO = 2 though)
 
What's remote and obscure about a class constant for that element :psyduck
Would you rather have a global
Because yeah that would totally be much better
 
Oh shit, I need DCT as well.
I wonder if I can build that from IDCT.
 
@wilx It can cause deadlock in mutex-based code. In the backtrace I can see the tbb::concurrent_bounded_queue is waiting for spinlock (in the producer side).
 
Eh, gotta make food
 
3:02 PM
@StackedCrooked Spinlock without a slow path using some OS level primitive?
@CatPlusPlus s/make/buy/g
 
@Jefffrey int five = two + two;
 
@wilx After 16 failed attempts it switches to sched_yield loop. both producers are in that state. (Meanwhile the consumer is seems to be waiting on a semaphore)
 
@Mysticial I have an ifft(It first, It last) function, and I need a fft(It first, It last). Is there a way to build the latter out of the former?
 
I guess the lesson learned here is that you should not use such queue if your threads have different priorities?
@R.MartinhoFernandes More like there is no relation between God and logic, thus your use of operator >() is senseless.
 
It makes sense for God. Not for puny beings like you.
 
3:07 PM
@wilx Dunno yet. Can't find this in the docs or Google.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Says you.
 
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o.o
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also, you basically claim that you are not puny and you do understand God. Are you not a little bit overconfident? :)
 
That simple.
Given that there's no claim of non-puniness, I could turn it around and ask if you're not overconfident in your understand of logic, but it might be taken as an insult.
 
3:15 PM
I hate when I have nothing to do but I have to stay in the office
 
There is always something to do.
 
Why do you have to stay in the office
 
stupid 8-working-hours policy
 
@MarcoA. Ask boss for more work?
 
3:16 PM
@wilx already did it
"we'll take care of that, the project's currently stuck"
not sure what that means
it might mean "the server's on fire, we'll get back to work as soon as we extinguish it"
 
@MarcoA. that means it's the right time to fire up factorio
 
@BartekBanachewicz unfortunately it's down factorio.com
if you meant this one
 
RIP Terry Pratchett :(
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@MarcoA. works for me
 
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Q: Building a Windows GUI on top of Unix-based codes

MM1391I want to build a GUI on top of a tool that is designed for use on Unix. It is built using C++, Perl and Unix commands. The tool runs on Windows using Cygwin but I want to add on top of it a user interface. So the tool starts by launching a window showing the file system of the computer and provi...

lol
> If not, what is the language to use to build the GUI? I am familiar with Java Swing but I do not know if it is the best option in this case.
 
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3:21 PM
@jalf Assisted Suicide?
 
Rargh, plink sounds
@ThePhD idk
 
> As you have probably noticed, since the last major release (0.11.0) the game can be played over the network. There has been a lot of discussions on the forums concerning the lock step architecture, so let's start with that.
> In the lock step architecture each of the networked peers is running the simulation of everything that happens in the world and there doesn't need to be any central server; when a player makes an action, only the action is somehow transferred to all other players.
this is interesting
 
> It's not just you! https looks down from here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Puniness aside. The point was that you saying "it makes sense for God" implies your understanding of God. Which strikes me as overconfident. Especially, when typical Christian claim is that nobody really understands God.
 
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3:23 PM
@jalf Oh, he just died of it naturally. I thought he was going to do Assisted Suicide.
 
@wilx I'm not Christian.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That seems rather naive and prone to hacking.
 
(And if you mean 'God works in mysterious ways', that's not of Christian origin)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, Christians do not understand their God but you do even to the degree that you can claim God > logic?
 
@wilx God understands God. God can do it. That's what it means to be omnipotent.
 
3:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The origin is not important.
@jalf Well. I will not miss him. I am missing Iain M. Banks a lot more.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Non sequitur?
 
@wilx No, you suck at logic.
 
@wilx Yes your most recent comment was one of those.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't believe it's possible, but I say that without evidence. You would need to conjugate all the twiddle factors in the FFT itself. Though I'm not sure if you could also get away conjugating all the inputs before feeding it back into the FFT.
 
3:28 PM
@wilx Yes, it is. The Christian faith does not have this concept that God is impossible to understand.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, Christians actually say that.
 
An understanding of God can only be made from His own Self-revelation, but God has revealed Himself many times.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn't it?
 
@wilx Yes, and atheists say "Oh my god".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I kind of answered that. Dunno if it should be closed
 
3:29 PM
@Pris I wasn't too sure either
you shouldn't answer in comments though mate
 
@wilx There's also the point that I don't need a full understanding of God to make the claim I made. And this point is borne exclusively out of logic.
 
according to wikipedia God is a design error: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is certainly a world of difference between "Oh my God" which is more like an automatic reaction and deliberate saying of "Nobody can really understand God."
 
Man is finite, and for that Man cannot have an exhaustive understanding of God, who is infinite, but that does not mean that Man cannot have some finite understanding of God, and God revealed Himself many times so that Man can have some understanding of Him.
I sound like a preacher, and I hate you for that.
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Man can have an understanding of infinite (see maths!)
 
3:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, I concede this point. (if that is the right English for this)
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
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Pastor R. Martinho Fernandes, knower of the Holy Boltble, leading all Robots to salvation.
 
@jalf :(
@Mysticial I'll steal it from minipi, I guess.
 
@ThePhD I prefer to picture him as reverend preacherbot
 
hard to understand that which does not exist.
 
@wilx You've decided for yourself that the one phrase is throwaway and that the other is not. That personal decision is not "proof" of anything at all.
 
3:39 PM
This is a shitty year
 
@CatPlusPlus why
 
@Puppy No, it is not. Some things that exist are harder to understand than some that don't.
 
hmmm... would I get the same results from using git rebase -i to squash two commits down as I would if I had simple amended the first one rather than make two?
 
@CatPlusPlus What kind of shit can you complain about?
 
I need to stop being annoyed by irrational atheism.
 
3:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... that's a thing?
like people being an atheist because god told them to?
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@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean 'why'
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do you seriously not see any difference between the two?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn't mean it's not harder in the general case. If it exists then you can observe it or maybe just poke it and see what happens, which helps.
 
@CatPlusPlus is every one shitty? :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, was that me who irritated you? :)
 
3:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus The year started quite well for me :)
 
@Puppy Doesn't mean it is, either.
 
It's not like I reject the possibility that God exists, it's just that all the arguments that have been put forward so far to support its existence sound invalid to me
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@wilx Did I say that? No.
 
@AndyProwl Me and wilx, we were discussing assuming its existence, anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I think it does. For all concepts, if they exist, they are at most as hard to understand as if they did not exist.
 
3:43 PM
Are you guys still looking for the god?
 
@wilx But how you and I parse those statements in this context is a very long way from using that to discount people's statements entirely.
 
I reject the possibility that gods might have anything to do with religions
 
@Puppy There are infinitely many things that don't exist.
 
@khajvah And where is your god now?
 
@AndyProwl Same here. A thing I can't bear is people assuming you can't be a scientist and believe in God at the same time
 
3:43 PM
@Puppy What about the concept of a concept's existence?
 
Let's not recurse.
 
@thecoshman It's extremely common. IME, most atheists are full of crap. They are the worst kind of religious zealot.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't see what that changes.
 
Sometimes the proof of something's existence is far harder than that something actually is.
 
for all we know there are infinitely many things that do exist as well
 
3:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh that's so right
 
I am not very interesting in discussing philosophy with you, anyway. That desire is completely personal and borne out of previous experience.
 
Like, going around categorically stating that "God doesn't exist" is just so hurtfully retarded
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Atheism is not a religion.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think most atheists aren't that strongly opinionated or at least not that loud about their personal beliefs.
 
How fucking stupid can you be
 
3:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Religion brought nothing but harm to people, so people can be atheists
 
Then to turn around and tell off Christians etc for being so damn certain about their own guess. It's ludicrous.
 
@Rerito Sure, in fact history proves this is incorrect - many great scientists did believe in God, so it's definitely possible.
 
@khajvah That's untrue
 
Whether god exists or not is not really important anyway
 
@wilx Sure it is.
 
3:45 PM
Whether it's reasonable, on the other hand, largely depends on what one means by "God"
 
@khajvah Total nonsense.
 
@wilx Then nonreligious zealots. The point is: they are zealots, and they are indistinguishable from religious zealots.
 
@Rerito Tell me, what did religion do to humanity? other than many many wars
 
@AndyProwl Indeed. Although a lot started questioning their faith when they came to or were confronted with fundamental discoveries that bordered on the metaphysics.
 
@khajvah The entire point of religion is to keep people orderly, civil, and not panicky.
 
3:46 PM
@khajvah You sound so cliché that it brought on me instant despair
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit The entire point to religion is to control people.
 
@khajvah Funny I'm sure I just said that
 
Yes that's what he said
 
Religion <-> faith. Important distinction.
 
@khajvah But you've implicitly asserted that that control "brings harm to people", without justifying the claim.
 
3:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit crusades failed that point miserably
 
How is controling good then?
 
@khajvah Without some form of control, there is chaos.
 
How is controling not good?
 
@rubenvb I guess it depends on what "God" means, for each case. Einstein did believe in a God, but not a personal one
 
@khajvah Ask your local prison service.
 
3:47 PM
Despite what some people claim, some degree of control is necessary, because people are shit.
 
Godel did believe in a personal God, but Godel was crazy
 
I mean if you're into total anarchy then that's nice for you I suppose
 
@Griwes Some form. washing people's brains is not a good way to control
 
ahahahaha
> washing people's brains
I love it
 
@Griwes Which leads us to Discordianism, which is the best religion.
 
3:47 PM
Personally, I like to believe in Man
 
have any of you used biicode.com
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
> C/C++ DEPENDENCY MANAGER
 
@AndyProwl I'd count that as "questioning one's faith". It doesn't have to be "can I believe", but rather "what exactly is it that I (wish) to believe in?".
 
3:48 PM
God or no God, in fine there's only what we do. And fortunately there are amazing people down there
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Between anybody saying "Oh my god" and anybody saying "Nobody can really understand God." I see world of difference in how much thought and deliberation has been put into those two statements. I do think that the amount of thought and deliberation put to the latter is orders of magnitude more. Hence I think when Christians say it they actually consciously mean it. While when atheists say the former, they do not admit a belief in God. Is this so hard to see and understand?
 
@Pris Not open, don't care
 
The shit part of religions is the insistence on adhering to a set of stories and tales and traditions and customs and ceremonies. Nothing to do with the faith part. The faith part, believing in a deity, is all absolutely fine. A lot of atheists are too dumb to understand this, though.
 
@rubenvb Many people question their own faith at one point or another, religious or not.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit All the caps.
 
3:49 PM
Actually, believing that god exists is not a problem. Religion is the real problem
 
@khajvah Yep just said that
 
yeah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, and I respect those people a lot more than those who blindly follow whatever some guy in a funny cape with a funny hat says they should believe.
 
@rubenvb Unless that person is Cory Doctorow.
 
Maybe it'll be open sourced soon
 
3:50 PM
The stories only serve a teaching purpose. At least that's what I understood from all my friends that had some religious education
 
lol
So don't care
 
omg it's even in their logo!!
 
@wilx They cannot possibly mean it by the letter, because their whole faith relies on the understanding provided by the greatest revelation of God, Jesus Christ.
 
@Rerito yeah teaching of the establishment's desired moral values etc. which, again, isn't necessarily terrible. it just comes down to how much you personally think the state (and related entities) should be directing societal matters.
 
3:51 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah I agree with you, it's dangerous somehow
 
@wilx That's absurd. You're just pretending you know for sure precisely what everyone means whenever they utter those words, ever. And trying to use it to defend your point.
@caps yep
 
@Rerito And the reason we are talking on an electromagnetic interlink and not chopping each other's heads off. At least indirectly. I'm talking about societal education, not religion per se, just "how to get along with your neighbours".
 
re biicode IDGI
but I have to go now
 
Many people I know built their own perception of God and Christianity from the "mainstream" education and ended up being a lovely company
 
3:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's how the Age of Empires games were made.
 
@rubenvb FWIW, I also think those are a vocal minority (probably still a lot of people in absolute terms, but definitely a minority within the scope of all Christians, or all religious people)
 
VIBRATOR_SERVICE is a string key in Android.
 
(I say Christianity because I don't have acquaintances that did that from other religions, but I'm sure there are)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You are wrong. I used expressions like "I think", which IMHO conveys that I am not 100 % certain. Also, when atheist say anything they by definition do not profess belief in God, by definition. :)
 
3:55 PM
23 mins ago, by wilx
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is certainly a world of difference between "Oh my God" which is more like an automatic reaction and deliberate saying of "Nobody can really understand God."
> certainly
in your very first message about it
Message I, word 3. Let us pray
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OK. You win, I should have used "I think there is a world of difference" instead of "There is certainly..."
 
@thecoshman lol
 
We talk about God, but it's also interesting to wonder about the Devil
 
3:58 PM
@Rerito Isn't the Devil like a Christian innovation?
 
@Rerito Let's draw some pentagrams, shall we?
 
@rubenvb And sacrifice some Cats++?
 
@wilx Christianity wasn't the first to have a devil, surely?
@Rerito I was thinking about sacrificing frogs.
Candy-eating frogs.
You logo stealer.
 
Several polytheistic religions of ancient times had underworlds and "antagonistic" gods.
On the face of that, Hell and the Devil are not very innovative.
 
@thecoshman It certainly is. The Atlantic even wrote about it theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/…
 

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