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11:02 PM
My left hand is numb for no reason.
 
to much fapping
 
@Puppy How do I tell the llvm::EngineBuilder to use elf on windows? (to avoid getting: LLVM Error: Invalid object format!) &
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes this sounds bad
 
I'm dying.
 
std::string Wide::Util::GetMCJITProcessTriple() {
    auto triple = llvm::Triple(llvm::sys::getProcessTriple());
#ifdef _MSC_VER
    //triple.setOS(llvm::Triple::OSType::MinGW32);
    triple.setEnvironment(llvm::Triple::EnvironmentType::Itanium);
#endif
    auto stringtrip = triple.getTriple();
#ifdef _MSC_VER
    // MCJIT can't handle non-ELF on Windows for some reason.
    stringtrip += "-elf";
#endif
    return stringtrip;
}
 
11:09 PM
Robots cannot die.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Check that blood flow is not the problem (if it tingles, check with a doctor). Otherwise, it's just coldness, likely?
 
@mrpyo Depends what they are; the _least etc types are provided in case you're worried
 
@Puppy No need to kill the Robot. He was dying on his own accord...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If blood flow is the problem, it could indicate a serious heart condition.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit However, that's storage optimum. I think he meant runtime performance (throughput in op/s)
@Puppy Or cluttered artery. But the robot being the robot, he had deduced this himself
 
11:11 PM
The Boost.Range library, pre-1.43 feels pretty toothless.
 
What's your gripe
 
Boost.Range is generally pretty toothless
 
I mean, it looks nice, but without range_adaptors it just offers syntactic sugar.
 
but pre -1.43? what are you, a Neanderthal?
 
Your mom is pretty
toothless
 
11:12 PM
@Puppy I'm an Embarcadero RAD Studio User. :(
 
just update the library?
 
C++03 and (select parts of) Boost 1.39
 
@caps Oh. Is that so. So the fact that it's not possible to get the iterators wrong is not a pre? (quick: what are the arguments to std::mismatch? And std::transform, the binary variation?)
 
@Puppy Janky compiler. Even parts of 1.39 aren't included in our 1.39 folder. Presumably because they don't work right, or at all, with BCC32.
 
You must be pretty misguided to miss the benefit there. Not to mention the abstractions (many other things than just iterator pairs can be treated as range, the traversal categories are less broken, any_iterators are pretty darn painful to write by yourself etc. etc.)
> in our 1.39 folder
 
11:15 PM
@sehe mismatch(begin1, end1, begin1). And it returns a pair. So you check mismatch(/*params*/).first == begin1
 
@caps Wait. As in, ... Borland?
 
@Puppy That's what I mean, yes.
 
owwwwwch.
 
@sehe I don't know the binary transform, though. I didn't even know there was one. Is it C++11
 
call your headhunter
 
11:16 PM
@Puppy I don't have one. This stuff makes me think about one though.
 
@caps i'd say you missed the c++1y overloads :)
 
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Embarcadero\Studio\14.0\include\boost_1_39\boost
 
@caps ... of course
 
hmm
> Knowledge of a C++
any C++ in particular?
 
@sehe I ignore the (after C++anything) parts of en.cppreference
 
11:17 PM
@caps I think there's more interesting things more easy to get wrong, too. I remember things compiling for me that certainly "shouldn't" (all hail Concepts, yes thanks)
 
@sehe I'm exaggerating. I see the benefits. They're just not the ones that I was wanting from reading the 1.57 documentation.
 
sbi
So the robot's dying of the carpal tunnel syndrome? What else is new?
 
@caps Don't blame Boost.
 
sbi
Oh, and good evening.
Scratch that. Good morning.
 
... kind ape
 
11:18 PM
whats a good name for a function that process all events that currently exists on a queue, and then stops the queue?
 
@Puppy Oh. "a" C++
 
sbi
@caps You have my sympathy.
 
My current "stop()" function immediatley stops it
 
morning ape
 
morning ape
 
sbi
11:19 PM
@sehe What kind of salutation is that?
 
You should ask :)
 
He's asking :)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow So what was in it??
 
evening tony
 
sbi
@sehe I believe I just did.
 
11:19 PM
@sbi I'm comforting myself that even if I were a Visual Studio user, I would still hate my IDE-specific library.
 
@Puppy hi puppy
 
I believe you know what I meant. If not, good morning
 
I ate too much today
 
eat less, problem solved
 
yeah
 
11:20 PM
:)
 
sbi
@caps Oh, I absolutely believed in BCC32. Borland was all the rage and had the best C++ compiler money could buy on a PC. Until about 20 years ago...
@sehe Well, good morning it is, then. Because I have abso-fucking-lutely no idea whatcha talking 'bout.
 
@sbi lol
 
I gotta pay my council tax bill at some point in the immediate future
 
@sbi To put it in your own words "What else is new" (what kind of greeting was that ...?)
 
@sbi I think he was referring to this:
4 mins ago, by sbi
So the robot's dying of the carpal tunnel syndrome? What else is new?
 
11:22 PM
@TonyTheLion I think it didn't whoosh you after all (I only doubted it for second)
 
@sbi My co-worker told me that, at the time, she liked Builder better than whatever version of VS was in circulation ~10 years ago.
 
@sbi I cut my thumb.
 
sbi
@caps No, really. Until Borland C++ 5 they were great! That was a wonderful IDE and a great compiler at the time. But then they forced the VCL onto C++, made BCB1, then BCB3, and then lost the game against VC when VC7.1 came out.
 
@Puppy that's robot's job!
 
it's right on the pad too so if I try to grip anything
 
sbi
11:24 PM
@Puppy Go and pull someone else's leg. You're a dog and dogs do not have thumbs.
 
I used to love Borland C++. Round about 3.1..~5
But then it was downhill. Really fast
 
@sbi Ugh. I hate the VCL. I see how what it was trying to do is kind of clever but RAII and the STL are so much nicer altogether.
 
sbi
@sehe That wasn't a greeting. I said "Good morning". That was my greeting.
 
I think my co-workers still talk about how Builder 6 was pretty nice.
2009 was buggy.
 
11:25 PM
@sbi Cough. Forgive me for noting the way one enters the room as implicit gesture.
 
from memory they use Clang now
 
sbi
@sehe Granted.
 
so ape
did you get fired?
 
sbi
@Puppy You sure they don't install it on disk?
 
@Puppy Neat. Thanks
 
11:25 PM
XE4 was a different kind of buggy. XE5 was different kind of buggy from that. Now XE6 is another kind of buggy. And XE7 is so terrible that we're skipping it altogether.
Of course, they all have some common bugs.
 
I didn't really pay that much attention just saw some vague thing
 
And we were excited about...
 
sbi
@Puppy I managed to avoid that. So far. The bets are still out amongst my colleagues, though.
 
@Puppy ... that.
 
@sbi Any backup plans in mind for if the hammer should drop?
 
sbi
11:26 PM
@caps I think I still got a BCB6 flying around here. Got it for free, because I reported a few bugs.
 
But it turns out that is only true for 64-bit compiling. Which you can't really do with design-time stuff. As in, if you are using the graphical design part of the IDE the code is all compiled in 32-bit.
 
@sbi What's a "disk"?
 
round thingy
 
So for our purposes we are still stuck in BCC32's idea of C++03 land.
 
for storage it is mostly magnetic
spins fast
:P
 
11:27 PM
While they tease us with claiming they support C++11 and support boost out of the box.
 
sbi
@Puppy Well, when you stand up and tell them the truth in a way that hurts, you either do it without having a backup plan or you're a hypocrite.
 
@sbi That's cool.
 
oh, I think my grandparents may have mentioned using such a technology when they were children
 
sbi
@Puppy A permanent kind of memory.
 
@Puppy lol
 
11:28 PM
@sbi But, by now, haven't you started looking for potential alternatives?
 
sbi
@Puppy Now you're exaggerating. Isn't a decade the average dog's lifespan? If so, even your parents must have mentioned it.
 
@sbi I didn't really read the whole thing, so forgive me if this is plain incorrect, but I thought that it was about some mismanagement thing firing the upper management for no apparent reason. I'm not sure if having a backup plan implies hypocrisy. I might have just completely misunderstood though.
@sbi My breed lives to 15.
gah, I guess that just not understanding what's going on is what happens when you stop being in the Lounge all the time.
I should just get used to other people discussing shit and I don't know what the fuck is going on
 
that's what happens when you have a life
 
So. I commented on YT
I might be doing it wrong
 
well, IDK if the compilers targetting his controllers are actually of the seriously powerful kind.
 
11:32 PM
@sehe you said something sensible, in a YT comment?
4
you're doing it wrong
 
sbi
@caps I was way too busy driving the revolution. FWIW, we now have an official invitation to an employee meeting ("Betriebsversammlung") where a voting council will be voted for which will organize the election of the worker council ("Betriebsrat"). The latter has a pretty good legal standing in Germany (for example, they make up x/2-1 of the votes in the company's advisory board) and are a serious hindrance to selling the company expensively.
 
or if they're just some shit that got hacked on to a C compiler.
 
sbi
However, thinking about my children I managed to leave my name out of the official meeting invitation.
 
@TonyTheLion Sorry :S
 
11:33 PM
:)
 
sbi
@Puppy I'm not sure what "whole thing" you didn't read. I am pretty sure, though, I didn't post my open letter to management online, though.
 
@sbi Well, you were talking about it in the Lounge, but I wasn't here to read it and only grabbed a small snippet during a coffee break from a link on the starboard, or something of that nature.
 
sbi
@Puppy That just makes it even worse an exaggeration. (A dog wouldn't know that, though.)
@sehe So that was you?!"
@Puppy Yeah, the art of scanning the script well enough to be informed well enough. Wait until you're old enough, then... Oh. wait. Your breed only lives 15 years. I am so sorry!
 
I bet that you're just looking forward to me popping my clogs in ten years time
 
11:36 PM
@Puppy *Evaluated to 2.000000" instead of that annoying error. Thank you kind sir!
 
sbi
@AndyProwl You are being so naive, it's actually pretty cute.
 
@Borgleader At this rate, I'll need to change my name to "Resident LLVM expert"
 
@DiplomaticMedic no. That looks like Obj C, so ewwww
 
ok ty anyway
 
@DiplomaticMedic you want your tab bar to perform seppuku?
 
11:37 PM
lol i dont know what that is lol
 
Japanese ritual suicide
 
sbi
@DiplomaticMedic Yes, there surely must be someone out there who can. Does that answer your question?
 
awwww dont downvote, i just am in need of a little help
 
I think that there are far more likely candidates for downvoting you than sbi
for example, me.
 
why's that
 
11:39 PM
meet Puppy, he who will downvote you with greatest of pleasure, anytime of the day
 
sbi
@Puppy Wow, I always thought this would be harakiri, and only now learned that the latter is just a form of seppuku!
 
@TonyTheLion Actually now only between like 7pm and midnight.
 
@Puppy I'm hoping to become "Resident LLVM sort-of-knows-what-he's-doing"
 
hah
that will never happen.
also LLVM is a pisstake compared to semantic analysis.
whilst I have sympathy that LLVM itself is not always terrifically friendly as a library, it's not that hard.
 
sbi
:21311721 On account of not being a room owner, I can't see the history of deleted messages and thus can't see what you meant to reply to me.
 
11:41 PM
@sbi Nothing. The entire deleted message was just "@sbi"
@sbi I'm glad I could inform you in this matter.
 
sbi
@Puppy It wasn't very expressive then. I suppose that fits the question in question.
 
No, hey guys i'm new to this programming thing, I am sorry, just thought there might be someone here willing to help a new guy out. Message received, not very welcoming.
 
it's only been two hours since you asked your question.
 
@DiplomaticMedic that's because it's just not nice to barge into a lounge with your questions. There's a whole site for them! Besides the only person here who committed the sin of Objective C before (a) has gone off to bed (b) hasn't touched that in 2 years
AFAIK
 
in the middle of the European night.
and also the Lounge is not for helping people except ourselves.
 
11:43 PM
...
You mean, Q&A is on Stack Overflow
 
sbi
@DiplomaticMedic Oh, we are! Definitely! But there's a big "but" applicable. It's all explained though. (Not that you could be bothered to read the room's FAQ before you blurt out your current problem, of course. That would be way too much demand on your time.)
 
unless you have an interesting question.
 
He hasn't.
 
let's face it, if you had a question on the intricacies of incremental analysis, I'd be happy to help.
 
wow, very friendly folks
 
11:45 PM
 
sbi
Anyway, @R.Martinho, do you still copy? Or are you already dead?
 
Enough maybe?
 
sbi
(I agree with everyone that you should see a doctor about this first thing in the morning, BTW. Carpal tunnel syndrome is not something to seer about. Not at all.)
@DiplomaticMedic From what I have seen, among newbies, you're pretty lonesome with this opinion.
 
ruined many a pro gamer's career
and frankly I could well see it ruining a software developer's career too
 
Ell
Is it treatable?
 
11:48 PM
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I spent the whole day trying to sleep with a really bad cold. Fever, cold sweats, muscle pain, and dry coughs.
 
sbi
Whatever, @R.Martinho, what I always meant to tell you: Around New Year's Eve, I read TC&TC.
 
@Ell Yes, but not that easily.
it's a mechanical condition of the bones and ligaments so it requires extensive physical therapy
better to just not get it in the first place really.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ouch. Had that, too, about a week ago. Bad fever, for four days. Knocked me out cold. Really bad.
 
Ell
Yeah
 
I am going to go to bed
I have work in the morning
that still feels strange to say.
 
11:50 PM
Night @Puppy
 
sbi
@Puppy Especially coming from your mouth.
 
Ell
@sbi burrrrn
 
@sbi Here's another thing you may find strange: Andy donated to Wide yesterday.
my first monetary reward.
I'll put the banknote under my pillow.
 
I donated to LRIO once.
Now. There's a jaw dropper
 
11:51 PM
For good luck?
 
yes but you're insane
 
Ell
@sehe I bet you regret that eh? ;)
 
and Andy is mostly not-insane.
 
@Ell No
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was torn between "This plot is bullshit!" and "This plot is great!" Still can't decide. Very well worth reading, though, because of this alone. Well written, too. Thanks, that really was a treat either way.
 
11:52 PM
:) Also donated to Coliru. About 50x as much, though
 
@sbi Haha, sounds like it.
 
Just noticed cOLIRu contains LRIO
 
sbi
@Puppy He always was a sucker anyway. Still believes in votes to be about an answer's worth and such. haha!
 
Ell
I went to donate to coliru. Can't remember if I did or not though o.O
I still need to donate a pint to @sbi @sehe and probably others
 
sbi
@Ell What do you mean, "a pint"? Keep 'em coming!
 
Ell
11:53 PM
@Puppy I'd be happy with any bank note, especially a £50 ;)
@sbi heh. Sure thing boss :P
There should be an online pint donating service
 
I am learning a lot about programming. Maybe next time you guys can have a little bit of heart instead of the "I'm so fraggin awesome, frig this guy". I'm trying my best to learn programming while serving my country in Afghanistan.
but who cares
 
@Ell Probably exists
@DiplomaticMedic Entitledness doesn't help. Lurk, like you just did and it'll work
 
not your problem
byes
 
sbi
@Ell I don't want no online pints. I want real ones!
 
@DiplomaticMedic Cool. I'm a koala, I got it harder than you.
 
sbi
11:55 PM
@DiplomaticMedic How about you first taking the time to read the frigging FAQ – which explains in detail why we reacted the way we did –, and only then ask, according to what it said?
@Nooble You know nuffink, Jon Koala!
 
You don't know what it's like to not know whether there will be enough eucalyptus on the table tomorrow.
 
Hey sbi here's an idea
 
sbi
@DiplomaticMedic Here's many of them.
 
inb4 rudeness -> kick
 
maybe you politely point them in the right direction
the next time it looks like someone new is in the chat room
and not be a total friggin dickhole
 
11:57 PM
@DiplomaticMedic Both should happen, actually. But the fact that you don't see the links, means you didn't look i.imgur.com/bp37dBa.png
 
sbi
@DiplomaticMedic It's at the top of the frigging starboard! What else do you need?
Jan 25 at 18:09, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Hi! This room is bound by some rules; if you're new here, please read through them before chatting. Thanks!
 
@DiplomaticMedic At that point, you should've just said "Fucking".
 
Can we stop. He's got the message, we know how it works. The rest is just noise/battery
 

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