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1:00 PM
@sehe you mean ambidetrox... ¬_¬ that word
 
you bunch of wankers :P
 
dexterity ~= felxabilty
 
@TonyTheLion Only when I have nothing better to do.
So basically almost everyday ._____.
 
@thecoshman kyebroda != cna tyep
 
@sehe oh you need a spanking
@TonyTheLion took your time, just finishing off were you?
 
1:02 PM
@sehe Senesterity for some :p
 
define: Senesterity
hey! what broke?
 
I managed to obtain Turbo C++ for DOS, and I don't know what to make.
Seems kind of pointless, to compile software for an obsolete OS.
Any ideas?
 
@edition indeed it is
 
@edition ah
 
if you aren't learning x86 real mode, you're wasting your time by using DOS
 
1:06 PM
and if you are learning x86 real mode, you are wasting your time
 
hehe, indeed :)
 
I might or might not have a computer running MsDOS next to me
 
the reason you might learn x86 real mode, is how to get out of it
 
hehe
 
I was forced to work on it for a while
 
1:09 PM
@bluefog You mean recently or 20 years ago?
 
Recently
They teach C++ in Turbo C in India
4
WTF
 
what
 
which is terrible, and most of people here know this
 
I know
 
1:10 PM
@thecoshman Nevermind, I mixed senestra and sinistra.
 
Turbo India
 
Study of Antiques
 
I was asked to submit a project. I wondered about an OpenGL grapher.
 
@milleniumbug I like how it found my message linking to a comment.
> This question was voluntarily removed by its author.
 
masTurbo C++
 
1:11 PM
Inconceivable.
 
@Griwes the finder is terrible and operates on raw html
 
I know.
 
(the comment link contained "turbo-c")
 
26 secs ago, by Griwes
I know.
 
I know you know. Posting this in case somebody else might not know.
 
1:15 PM
@Morwenn Yours? :)
 
is that image SFW?
 
@Morwenn "WRYYYYYYYYYYY" made me laugh
 
@wilx Nope.
I don't own such things.
 
Has anyone watched Anrei's talk on allocators?
 
I watched the title
 
1:21 PM
I read the slides.
 
1 message moved to bin
@edition questionable; it was ok for me, but onebox not needed
 
My bad.
 
@Morwenn Sinistrous is etymologically consistent; WP seems to agree that "sinister dexterity" is the dominant name
 
@BartekBanachewicz, to cover all hom-functors is somewhat ambitious (perhaps someone else can really explain this?). You can generalise profunctors to enriched categories, so a profunctor between two $V$-enriched categories $C$ and $D$ is a $V$-functor $D^{o} \otimes C \to V$, where $\otimes$ is the monoidal structure of $V$. — zxv 40 mins ago
right.
 
if there are profunctors, then surely the usual functors are just noobfunctors
6
 
* salut
 
@sehe Nice, I could'nt say it in english (the "malgré lui" part) shame on me hehe
 
Haha. I find these jokes hilarious.
 
I find those jokes hilarious
 
1:29 PM
I find you all hilarious
 
is there a way to adapt the system() command parameters?
 
wtf is that. "adapt" - self-invented term meaning zero, next question
@wilx the boy ants are nice
 
aaaand cap.
 
@sehe Yup.
 
wow dat quality trolling
@CMS_95 look at yourself
 
Please don't engage on that level. I'll warn
@CMS_95 That doesn't at all make it clear what you mean with "adapting the command parameters". In context, the word means nothing.
 
so the issue is i need c++ to change the file path for the command line, ie system("start explorer "C:\Users\"")
 
@CMS_95 Cut it.
 
also would I use the file library to "GET" the contents of a folder?
 
1:36 PM
You're funny.
 
@R. what you mean?
 
@CMS_95 I mean "stop it".
 
Hi @CMS_95
how are you
 
auto v1 = std::vector<int*> { };
auto v2 = reinterpret_cast<vector<const int*>&>(v);

// UB?
 
@CMS_95 This room is not a helpdesk. Will appreciate if you don't treat it as such.
 
1:37 PM
Hi @CMS_95
 
@CMS_95 No, I'm mean.
If you don't start making sense and responding to what's asked, I'll kick you out of this room for a while
 
@GregorMcGregor Please don't do this.
 
Can I ask a c++ doubt
 
You can.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you even know where I'm headed
 
1:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yes, these two types are unrelated and strict aliasing rule kicks in
 
@Greg fine, how are you?
 
You're level headed
 
potatohead
 
@CMS_95 I'm alright, I was thinking maybe we could have fun by doing a profanity competition what do you think
 
@BartekBanachewicz UB
 
1:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz why that thing? also did you mean auto& v2 instead of auto v2?
 
@GregorMcGregor Let me suggest you create a room
 
ah wait, you probably didn't. Anyway yeah I'd say UB
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did you mean reinterpret_cast<...>(v1);?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp And you writing an article doesn't make your code more well-formed, or the comment on your previous example more correct.
 
1:40 PM
@sehe wtf, nobody is asking me anything?
 
@Ell not enough pixies
 
@GregorMcGregor sounds fun :)
 
alright let's do it
 
@Ell I thought the hook was a pirate hat for a moment
 
c++ users are all noobs
 
1:42 PM
@Ell lol
pirate fish
 
@Columbo so?
 
Ell
@milleniumbug oh yeah it kinda looks like one now you say it :P
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Well, first of all, your comment was incorrect.
 
@Columbo I'm sure it is well-formed, and you are sure that it's not; you can judge for yourelf when I'm finish
@Columbo in what way are my comments "incorrect"?
besides you saying that they are
 
get a room you two
 
1:43 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp .. and a few guys in the IRC.
@FilipRoséen-refp The one saying Clang is wrong. (And just that one, not more, AFAIK)
 
@Columbo I have not spoken to those "guys in the IRC"
 
@FilipRoséen-refp You don't have to, I did.
 
dear diary today refp and columbo had a very entertaining conversation about things
 
@Columbo that clang is wrong to say that we are switching the active member of a union? there is no active member of a union until initialization of one member is complete, but since we are interpreting the initialization and abusing the storage underneath.. well, clang is wrong
 
> there is no active member of a union until initialization of one member is complete
 
1:44 PM
I was thinking I should post batman-like "BAM" images after columbo/refp messages
 
@GregorMcGregor dear diary, today Columbo is being as much of a pain in the arse as he was the last time I addressed something in the standard that can be abused
 
Ell
@Columbo what code are you guys even on about?
 
>2015
>arguing with columbo
 
@Columbo we are not initializing a member of the union, we are accessing the underlying storage through that member.
 
1:45 PM
You may as well pick on a hobby and go to Saudi Arabia to preach democracy
 
guys
 
@Columbo the initialization of the one member starts, and then we use the others to abuse the fact that lifetime has not started until initialization is complete - the initialization of the union is not done; hence, there is on active member
 
@sehe what is the point in Stack Overflow having a chat room if not to ask simple questions and get suggestions as answers?
 
this is for c++
not politics
 
Ell
@AndyProwl :P
 
1:46 PM
:D
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion okay so I need to book a coach or train now
 
@user5277222 well said user52777777777722
 
so guys, did you hear about the D language?
power of c++, simplicity of other languages
holds so much potential
 
@Ell now?
 
Yes @elyse like to get stuffed with it
 
1:46 PM
and has GC, which writes it off
 
@CMS_95 Coz you're expected to ask non-stupid questions that cannot be answered by a (very) quick google search
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion Not right now
sorry I just meant at some point
 
@CMS_95 the point of a chat room is chatting
 
Ell
where is the best place to travel to?
 
So guys, did you know that C-- exists?
 
@Ell the closest pizzeria
 
i'm seriously
 
Ell
@CMS_95 is that what you do when you chat every day? o.O
 
@user5277222 Yes.
 
look it up
 
1:47 PM
@Ell can you come on gmail?
 
And even then, you're not expected to ask questions endlessly
 
@Gregor so much material today
 
Ell
yeah sure
 
@TonyTheLion I can come on anything you like bby
@AndyProwl what
 
@GregorMcGregor oh bby <3
 
1:48 PM
crap
my computer science teacher
 
@Ell say what?
 
Does C++ offer a way to disambiguate a class which derives from two classes that derive the same type?
 
is right behind me
 
@GregorMcGregor trolls everywhere
 
guys
 
1:48 PM
@user5277222 kill them
 
pls
 
prepare for surprise buttsex
 
do I need to kick anyone?
 
so this is what programmers do in their free time
 
@CMS_95 chat room is for retention of regular users, believe it or not, SE is putting one of their first developers in charge of fixing the chat bugs just to make the likes of cat++ stay
 
1:48 PM
we're so special
 
@Jaden why not post that on stackoverflow?
 
Ell
@CMS_95 I mean, do you ask your parents, friends, acquaintances etc. programming questions when you chat to them?
 
this is what programmers do in their work time
 
talk about buttsex
gg
 
@GregorMcGregor It isn't a surprise anymore if there's a preparation :o
 
1:49 PM
so, what are you guys supposed to be doing in work now
 
Morwenn why do you have to be so anal about surprise buttsex
 
@user5277222 Java debugging
Fuck my life
 
dude
 
@FilipRoséen-refp it may be a good question. It is phrased as a yes or no question. kind of like, is it worth my time looking? (because I haven't found anything yet).
 
@Ell some times if I ever actually see them (very rare event)
 
1:49 PM
im coding in java as well
the debugger is so useful
 
#forever-alone
 
@Rerito clearly
 
good luck with the debugging
 
so embarassing
 
@AndyProwl clearly
@sehe ok thanks
 
1:50 PM
@Jaden yes, you can easily disambiguate - simply append a "how" to the question and you are all good.
 
I shared a screenshot where I left a google search "powershell array of 1 element"
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, then technically it's not UB until you perform indirection through that reference
 
now everyone knows I'm a powershell noob
 
so, where are you guys now. i'm in my data structures class. it's pretty sweet
 
1:51 PM
if you reinterpret-cast it back to a reference to the original type, it's fine
 
@Mr.kbok How to efficiently sort 1 integer
 
@FilipRoséen-refp thanks
 
but I imagine that's not what you're doing
 
how to effectively store 1 element
 
@GregorMcGregor ask @Morwenn
 
1:52 PM
@GregorMcGregor Use a fat Fourier transform.
 
@Morwenn You mean a fit Fourier transform?
 
guys, did you hear about this one guys, Mr. C? I was going to go out with him, but he had no class
get it?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Clang's error message was incorrect, but not its rejection.
 
yes hilarious now get out
 
@Mr.kbok but power shell is a simple one it literally gives you the info you need to write a full program ...
 
1:53 PM
@Rerito I mean a fat one.
 
@CMS_95 what do you mean?
 
whats a powershell
 
@Columbo "ok"
 
@FilipRoséen-refp (Assuming "active" is defined as in N4430)
 
why is there no slow fourier transform?
 
Ell
1:53 PM
@GregorMcGregor use grumble sort
 
@Morwenn Ok, joke crumbled
 
@Columbo look, I don't see the point of arguing with you, honestly I don't care what you think
 
@Rerito :D
 
@chmod711telkitty of course there is, but no one uses that
 
Fat doesn't fit.
 
1:54 PM
@Mr. windows power shell ISE has a search box.
 
Guys what do you think of proposal MH17
 
@chmod711telkitty It's called JFourierTransform
 
fourier transform written in Java?
 
@Columbo jftr; the wording of N4430 can be circumvented quite easily
 
1:55 PM
hi @chmod711telkitty
 
@Columbo I'm opting out of this discussion. say hi to the "guys in the IRC" for me. I'll ping you when the article is published
 
@chmod711telkitty that was a joke, but a "slow" fourier transform would be a regular transformation of the DFT matrix. Of course no one calls it "slow", it just "fourier transform"
 
@FilipRoséen-refp link there please?
 
You're a latina lesiban, sure you have insurance now that it is painfully obvious that you are too cowardly to stand behind that statement. I guess that's what happens to people who continue to vote for or against gay marriage which is unconstitutional.
 
1:56 PM
@CMS_95 how do you search for the array syntax in the search box?
 
@Jaden to the not-yet-published article?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp i can wait. just didn't want to miss opportunity to ask.
 
@GregorMcGregor what.
 
@Mr.kbok I know, just funny how 'fast' is relative to 'slow'. But one only hears about fast fourier transform, nothing about slow fourier transform ... which in reality is just fourier transform
 
curious.
 
1:57 PM
@Jaden I'm not sure what you are saying, but it should become available at b.atch.se to second I find time to write such, I got too many pending articles now atm
should probably take a vacation from working and just focus on that for a week, and publish them all
 
@Mr. you don't, you just look it up on microsoft.com
is windows.h depreciated?
 
Not appreciated
 
blargh, I keep forgetting to turn off "increase performance when on AC" in the bios of my laptop
 
hehe
 
I'd rather have to wait a little longer when doing something intense, instead of it spinning up the fans for 3 seconds
it's annoying
 
2:04 PM
@CMS_95 I was. Several things actually.
 
@sehe then I am sorry that I must have missed them would you mind repeating them?
 
@Rerito worse, he didn't have a question that's googleable because the question was ill formed
 
Does an implementation using Arduino make sense for industrial use?
 
@CMS_95 Yes I do mind. The reason is you can find them back yourself. I have taken more than enough time to explain things when the rest of the loungers was already fed up with you.
Unless you explain what you mean (and I think you tried) we can't answer.
What I **think** you mean was so atrociously badly put:
34 mins ago, by CMS_95
so the issue is i need c++ to change the file path for the command line, ie system("start explorer "C:\Users\"")
that I don't think you can be helped other than pointing to the book list. And you immediately followed it up with more braindead confusion
 
2:09 PM
@JohanLarsson Well if the product is not too critical, it really doesn't matter
 
@sehe That just got my headache worse
 
Thank you for your attention @CMS_95 ^
 
@sehe do you mean this question: "That doesn't at all make it clear what you mean with "adapting the command parameters". In context, the word means nothing." because I answered it.
 
IOW if you can't be arsed to choose words that actually mean what you mean how will you convince the compiler to do what you want
@CMS_95 Last warning. Read what I said first.
34 mins ago, by sehe
If you don't start making sense and responding to what's asked, I'll kick you out of this room for a while
 
@GregorMcGregor That's a cool video :')
 
2:14 PM
Very :)
 
@sehe 1. That's not a question, its a statement. 2. It's also a poorly punctuated statement.
 
I love how articulate you can be when it's not essential.
Sadly I have to go. Life calls. Poor me
 
I don't care. This is not a helpdesk.
 
@sehe Have fun out there!
 
@CMS_95 (NOT THAT, SILLY!!! Read what I said, not what I just repeated to show I urged you to do that earlier.)
 
2:18 PM
IOW use the thing you have between your mouse buttons
 
user1804599
@AnalPhabet bullshit
 
user1804599
GC is the most wonderful technology there is.
 
Rust is working on a GC IIRC, as an optional lifetime strategy
 
@elyse And the worst kind is tracing GC, because it hasn't yet traced you down
 
@bluefog ok
 
2:25 PM
The most wonderful technology there is is directional sound.
 
hmm t'was not needed.
 
@Morwenn Such as?
 
@Gregor do you have superhuman wpf skills?
 
@JohanLarsson what kind of question is that
 
2:28 PM
curiosity
 
@Morwenn wow, that's a thing? :o does it actually work?
@JohanLarsson regrettably I have little UI knowledge and haven't done WPF in years
 
@GregorMcGregor It seems that it works but is kind of bad with bass. 340€.
 
ok, I thought wpf was big in finance
 
@R. is there a worthy help desk that I can goto?
 
@TonyTheLion Mighty king of the jungle, plz get rid of this hyenna
 
2:30 PM
@Morwenn Well if the technology works it's already impressive for a first product
@JohanLarsson Maybe, I don't do that part :)
The few UIs I've developed here are HTML
The rest is done by other teams
 
@Rerito CMS_95?
 
@GregorMcGregor I agree. It's flabbergasting.
 
@TonyTheLion Exactly
 
Gone already
 
@TonyTheLion say what?
 
2:31 PM
now he's gone
 
@CMS_95
 
He's so fucking boring
 
@GregorMcGregor mmm, dunno how it will work really
different frequencies disperse differently, that's for one
 
and dispersion effects in sound are quite pronounced
 
2:44 PM
Robot if you intend to kick people on a whim you may as well start with that guy instead of me, that'll be more constructive
 
Ell
Children, children
Don't make me put you in the naughty corner, @GregorMcGregor
now talk to this nice boy and apologive
I joke :3
 
pls no angles
 
#freecicada
 
@GregorMcGregor <^v><v><^<>v<>^v<><>v^<>v<^
 
2:47 PM
Some weird hinting
 
> My CUDA test program to add 0.5 to an array of doubles does not add 0.5 to an array of doubles
well that's a very specific way of saying "does not work"
 
It's a bad test program
 
Ell
not even specific, just verbose :/
 
Was it Cinch
 
> Oh no it's one of those questions again - "My program doesn't work, help plz" - prepare for a large influx of downvotes...
> If someone wouldn't mind explaining where I've gone wrong while keeping the unpleasantries to a minimum I would be grateful. I've noticed a lot of my "noob CUDA" questions get a lot of hostile responses, so if these could be avoided that would be great. I can only apologize for not being an expert in this field. Everyone has to start somewhere.
lol "brace for impact"
@JonClements you should totally monetize some kind of "downvote shield" that noobs can buy to protect their question from downvotes
 
2:51 PM
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A: Can atomic loads be merged in the C++ memory model?

Filip Roséen - refpYes, because we can not observe the difference! An implementation is allowed to turn your snippet into the following (pseudo-implementation). int __loaded_foo = foo; int x = __loaded_foo; int y = __loaded_foo; The reason is that there is no way for you to observe the difference between the a...

have I explained that in a poor manner?
 
Disambiguate: get something better than MSVS2015 to write code in.
 
@GregorMcGregor ?
 
and maybe I should incorporate what I wrote in the comments of that post in the post itself?
 
@JonClements what
 
@GregorMcGregor "you should totally monetize some kind of "downvote shield" that noobs can buy to protect their question from downvotes" - ?????????
 
2:53 PM
well I don't know that's pretty clear isn't it
make a cash shop where you can buy special stuff for your account
10/10 great idea
 
@GregorMcGregor Sell hats!
 
if it requires elaborate question marks - it's obviously not
 
why do I even attempt humour
 
why the ping to me anyway?
 
All attempts are futile
 
2:55 PM
You are the only smurf around
Whom should I ping for further marketing advice
 
And here was I hoping we'd gotten the whole smurf thing outta the of way sighs
 
I must've missed the memo
 
you did miss it, pay attention next time please :P
 
So what should we call them
 
moderators
 
2:57 PM
What else is blue and very small
 
@TonyTheLion sorry - personal stuff going on - haven't been around as much as I'd like - still here though :p
@GregorMcGregor calling me "Jon" works for a start :p
 
Cake and glue.
Work is weird today.
 
Can we call you Clems
 
ah snap, a bluename.. a bluen
 
a smurf
 
2:59 PM
@GregorMcGregor Viagra pills?
 
that should be our new nickname for moderators
 

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