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Xeo
7:01 AM
Oh yeah, that reminds me
@Shog9 Please ping me when you're back.
Oh look, @Jerry is here.
 
There's always a problem with fighting back against an opponent who has much more firepower than you. It's kinda better to cool off, come to some peace agreement and hope hostilities can cease quickly.
Avoidable provocation just causes escalation and, sure enough, the room got nuked.
..though I'm glad it's rising from the ashes:)
 
@Xeo "I said, 'Don't look, Ethel!' But it was too late. She'd already got a free shot."
 
@JerryCoffin LOL!
 
Does anybody have a short summary of what happened to the room owners list?
 
Xeo
11 mins ago, by Xeo
8 mins ago, by Xeo
Check Shog's pinned message and go from there
Or as a really short summary: Collateral damage.
 
7:08 AM
you misspelled bullshit
 
I'm still a little...puzzled, but such is life sometimes i guess.
 
bought these:
also got those:
maybe shoggy is a C++ troll wannabe?
Tomalak would be happy hearing this :p
Is it me, or has this room attracted too much mod attentions lately?
Which is weird because this room still feels the same
 
7:27 AM
I dunno--I think we need at least a few more owners (especially some who can hang out here more) but most of the people who are here the most often just got booted from the owners list. I wonder if I can talk Edward into joining the list and helping out a bit...
 
@chmod711telkitty Yes, it has, and I feared the worst when I logged on this morning and the room was frozen. Luckily, it's thawed.
 
what happened?
 
@chmod711telkitty Start reading from the top pinned message.
Or were you asking about something else?
 
Puppy overstepped the mark with room title and shoggy beat him up. Then there was kerfuffle with room owners and then we got froz for a bit.
@chmod711telkitty There's meta about it.
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Shog said that you guys (the "new" owners) can appoint other people.
Though I'll just wait for Shog to get back
I really don't like how the owner thing got handled.
 
7:37 AM
@Xeo Yeah--just doesn't seem very wise to appoint people he just removed (but from the looks of the transcript, I think I agree).
 
@JerryCoffin maybe to someone who has a hammer, everything looks like a nail >_<
why was deadmg removed from the list of room owners though
 
@chmod711telkitty Maybe.
 
Xeo
4 hours ago, by Xeo
I don't quite know what 90% of the booted people did to lose that.
vOv
 
@chmod711telkitty Apparently, changed the room name to something deemed unacceptable.
 
...
but this room has been doing that for ages?
 
Xeo
7:39 AM
Also, if SO wants us to not advertise our room as something it is not, we should probably remove all mentions of C++ from the title and tags.
 
Lounge<elite rebel software developers>
@_@
 
@chmod711telkitty "elite"? Doubtful.
 
you need to learn to self promote :p
does wonders >_<
 
@Xeo There mere fact that we don't really discuss C++ here doesn't change the fact that C++ is something most of us have in common to varying degrees.
 
I think some of the discussions are C++ related
 
7:44 AM
@chmod711telkitty It does get mentioned once in a while, but it's certainly not a dominant subject.
 
I propose Lounge<Switzerland>
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Yeah, but we're not "The C++ chatroom"
 
morning
 
morning
 
oh lawd, is this still going on?
 
Xeo
7:44 AM
Puppy, you suck.
:P
 
4 owners
wtf happened
 
.... what happened when I was asleep?
 
@DeadMG Seems so:(
 
Xeo
38 mins ago, by Xeo
11 mins ago, by Xeo
8 mins ago, by Xeo
Check Shog's pinned message and go from there
 
4 hours ago, by Griwes
@Shog9, you are fucking kidding us.
 
7:46 AM
whoa, more deja vu
 
ack.
why did he remove all the other owners?
 
Xeo
I call it 'collateral damage'.
 
I'd tell you why
 
@AlexM. I believe the usual phrasing for that is "deja vu all over again".
 
but I'll sit this one out
 
Xeo
7:47 AM
But I certainly don't agree with that.
 
@AlexM. Kinda makes you want an SQL question-dump for a change, (no, not really:).
 
well
I guess I'mma go chat in #llvm
 
Must say this room gets the most "actions" from the mods/community managers
the rest of those rooms can't even compare :p
 
@Shog9 I think Etienne should be room owner.
 
@Jefffrey I think it's a safe guess it'll be a while before Shog reads that--it's 2AM in Colorado right now.
In any case, I think Shog wants to not be bothered with this room for a while.
 
8:00 AM
I got a great app idea: it's called "nuke that site"
 
I think Shog should learn to distinguish between people responsible and not. The whole "you kill one of my soldiers, I kill 10 of yours" hasn't been the wisest move ever in the past.
 
@chmod711telkitty Maybe great, but certainly not very new or original.
 
you get to launch a nuclear bomb towards a website and watch it blown into pieces in that app >_<
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin Yeah, shucks
Too bad that he will be bothered, today at least
 
@Xeo Most likely, but I suppose to some extent or other, it goes with the territory.
 
Xeo
8:02 AM
Well, fact is that I will certainly "bother" him.
 
Can we get a list of old-room-owners that should be room owners to post on meta?
 
Xeo
No
 
What no?
 
@Xeo I can't stop you, but I'm not sure that's likely to accomplish a great deal.
 
it won't
the room got shogified
it's over
 
Xeo
8:04 AM
@JerryCoffin Oh, I just want to have a simple chat about the "collateral damage" to the owner list. I don't agree with it, so I want to talk about it.
 
then again
 
@Xeo Fair enough.
 
you guys sure stick to each other more than those on other rooms
so who knows
I'm still new here and learning about everyone
 
@Xeo ...
 
Xeo
?
 
8:06 AM
How are you planning on "talking" about it, boss?
 
Xeo
Ask him why he thought it was a good idea to boot everyone, tell him why I don't like it, and we'll go from there.
Shog's normally a pretty reasonable guy, so I have to admit I'm a bit surprised he booted everyone.
Oh yeah, and also him picking "favourites" for the "new" owners.
Welp, time to head out for a bit.
Damn, I so wanna change the topic right now.
 
@Xeo Talk to you later. Go have some food I can't get here in the US...
 
@Xeo There are 'favourites'? Is there a book? I'll have a fiver each-way on Etienne and Lightness.
 
ahahahahah Shog added Lightness
 
the only thing that I feel as a result of this is a realization that we should accept subpar chatting software like IRC in favour of moving off the SE network.
it'll be easy for Cat to host an IRC server that we could be using in ten minutes.
 
8:14 AM
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23709015/need-urgent-help-in-c-graphics
Needs URGENT downvotes.
 
@JerryCoffin almost bought this
 
@chmod711telkitty Some people eating it doesn't make it food.
 
if (named_variables.find(name) != named_variables.end()) {
    auto&& ref = named_variables.at(name);
    auto&& first = ref.first;
    return Wide::Memory::MakeUnique<ExpressionReference>(first.get());
}
MSVC: Can't default-construct the pair.
wat are you on about you terrible compiler.
 
food is in the eyes of its beholder ...
 
@chmod711telkitty Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder. Food is in the hand of the pot holder.
 
8:17 AM
@DeadMG yea
 
@chmod711telkitty In my case, I would prefer that those 'foodstuffs' stayed in my eyes, and not in my mouth.
 
@DeadMG implementation detail of unique_ptr (for EBO?)
 
naw, the type of ref is pair<unique_ptr<T>, U>.
 
@MartinJames food is for the tummy - they use your mouth to get to the tummy
 
and in this case, it's U that's not default-constructible.
 
8:19 AM
food loves tummy :p
 
@DeadMG I'm pretty sure U were constructed in pretty much the default fashion.
 
well I'm not a clone so there's pretty much only one fashion in which I could have been constructed
 
good morning my dear corn fed loungers~
 
debatable
Daisy woke me up and I wanted to sleep in.
 
@DeadMG So I guessed. Then again, maybe we're all clones, and just don't realize it. Maybe we just came into existence, and all these memories were implanted by the Tyrell Corporation.
 
8:22 AM
@Jerry Have you seen The World's End?
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek I've seen a few worlds end.
 
@DeadMG I had a similar problem. There is a bike race past our house, and B. thinks that they should stop cycling and come over to play with him. The signal for that is, aparrently, 'bark as loudly as possible and wake Martin up'.
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek Edgar Write would be a better name for an author.
 
Jerry de cette blague (translated: I laughed at this joke)
 
8:25 AM
I should take her for a walkie whilst it's sunny
the weather's been pretty patchy lately
 
5 hours ago, by Shog9
"Room owner" means "Room moderator"
meh
 
brb hospital
 
@DeadMG Yeah, 17.5 here and it's only 09:30:)
 
Well, I think I need to go sleep for a while. Talk to you all later.
 
Its supposed to be the warmest weekend in Britain this weekend
@JerryCoffin Goodnight
 
8:31 AM
Night
 
5 hours ago, by Stack Exchange
What did I do? :(
 
eh
 
You did nothing, just like most other people that were removed.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm prepared. Beer fridge full, kindle charged up with electricity and books. Lawn, hedges etc. already cut. No 'must be delivered by Monday' work. It's looking good. I wonder what's going to screw up?
 
I, on the other hand, added Puppy back to the room owner list after he was removed by Shog and he took offense to that and retaliated by removing almost everyone.
 
8:32 AM
@TonyTheLion Why was mod enraged?
 
@FredOverflow Wrong time of the month.
 
You must have done something to aggravate him?
 
1 min ago, by Tony The Lion
I, on the other hand, added Puppy back to the room owner list after he was removed by Shog and he took offense to that and retaliated by removing almost everyone.
 
@TonyTheLion mmm not the smartest move, perhaps.
IMO That room title was obviously inflammatory and harmful to the public image of SO on the main site's main page.
 
Well he should have removed me only then, and not everyone else
 
8:34 AM
Perhaps
 
If I was such a naughty boy by adding puppy back to the list.
 
And then wait for the next owner to add both of you.
 
It didn't take me more than 5 seconds to decide that that wasn't appropriate (after seeing it on the main page. I hadn't even given it a thought when I saw it at the top in the Lounge. I don't mind that)
 
@Jefffrey Exactly.
 
8:35 AM
@Jefffrey That doesn't work, remember
@MartinJames Schoolboy mentality
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, now I found the problem. Why do people care enough about this to post a question on meta? lol
 
@sehe Maybe, but it makes sense. 'Imma gonna remove puppy'... 'Tony put him back, so I could remove them both. Snag is, if some other Lounger puts them both back, the problem will escalate slowly and I will look stupid and ineffective. Fuck it, I've had it with these Loungers, they're all going'.
 
Because it is seen in the home of SO.
 
@MartinJames Good point. I'm raising it on meta. Nah. I'm raising it here.
 
@FredOverflow because some are way too easily offended by mention of parts of the human body.
 
8:40 AM
oh I see now we have a lot of vacant room owner slots. can I have one? can I?
 
@Shog9 Can I ask you to reconsider your (?) decision to remove the bulk of the owners in response to yesterdays happening? I understand that something had to be done. I even agree to some extent. But there's quite a bit of unhappiness about the "retaliation". I didn't mind, but people here are obviously feeling bad (read slightly above this line
 
@Cupcake: You assume that the Lounge is the room for C++. It's not. If you're trying to find a chat room to discuss your C++ problem, it's a good thing that you didn't find us, unless you happen to have a particularly interesting problem. — DeadMG 9 hours ago
Go get em, puppy :)
 
I added the puppy back because 1) he said he was sorry on meta 2) I thought the whole thing was blown way out of proportion and 3) I'm pretty sure he would not have changed it back to some title with mention of a body part people find offensive.
 
@Shog9 I might give myself as an example. All I used my ownership privilege for was to revert the name on sight. I'm being "removed as owner" despite that. You will have to agree that's crooked and I also understand if that doesn't sit well with the other regulars.
 
Oh god...
 
8:43 AM
@sehe I can almost guarantee the answer will be 'not until puppy/Tony apologise'. It may be subtext to the actual reply, but that's what I would do.
 
@MartinJames I don't feel any need to speculate. We'll get a response sooner or later.
 
@sehe Yeah - gotta wait till merkins rise from their coffins.
 
What eloquence. Why don't we all go outside to enjoy the wheather for a bit? :)
Cheers, and laters
 
@sehe Bye!
 
@StackedCrooked latest FT - gud :)
 
8:56 AM
@ScarletAmaranth Financial Times?
 
shit, I bought too many games in one go again
and we're barely in the 2nd half of the month
 
@MartinJames close enough I'd say; "Fairy Tail"
 
@ScarletAmaranth Oh right - I imdb'd 'Fairy Tail' and I now understand - both the TV series and the newspaper contain more fiction than fact.
 
@MartinJames yup; that about sums it up if I daresay so myself
 
user1804599
Wunderbar.
 
Xeo
9:12 AM
@sehe But I just was outside :(
5 hours ago, by Xeo
I'll just politely say that I disagree with the choices that were made.
 
just a chatroom, move on with life :p
6 hours ago, by Shog9
I have neither the time nor the patience to babysit you lot. You shouldn't need babysitting. you are not babies.
 
@ScottW Read from the pinned post backward.
 
user1804599
Well shit.
 
maybe shog was trolling us
 
@rightfold Yeah - it's all your fault :)
 
9:19 AM
from my experience community managers trollings are on par with Tomalak
 
user1804599
No, I mean I have to find common type.
 
user1804599
I think I can just use reduce for it.
 
user1804599
But I’m not sure.
 
Speaking of Tomalak, he has managed to troll his way into room owners
impressive
 
user1804599
Woo.
 
user1804599
9:24 AM
if true then 42 else 3.14 compiles but if true then false else 3.14 gives a type error. \o/
 
No, it's Haskell.
 
user1804599
9:39 AM
@Jefffrey No.
 
user1804599
if true then 42 else 3.14 is invalid in Haskell.
 
Xeo
s/t/T/ and it's valid again
or if you define true = True
 
@rightfold Is it?
 
@chmod711telkitty Sigh. Of course. Everything that you don't understand care about is trolling. Attributing everything to trolling is both projection derailing
 
9:54 AM
I have been trolled by shog a couple of times
I am pretty sure he could be a troll sometimes
not this time probably
 
> Attributing everything to trolling is both projection and derailing
 
Xeo
> Dein IKEA Passwort muss bestehen aus:
Mindestens 7 Zeichen / Maximal 10 Zeichen
IKEA, you suck.
 
10:15 AM
Påsswørt
 
user1804599
10:33 AM
@Jefffrey ewwwwww
 
user1804599
@sehe There is no Ø in Swedish.
 
ssssh
 
user1804599
I want to write something in Scala.
 
You're wierd
 
@rightfold what
 
user1804599
10:41 AM
Ugh
 
user1804599
Why the fuck do HTTP server libraries offer routing. T_T
 
user1804599
It’s like having a filesystem library offer 3D graphics.
 
@rightfold request routing. Makes a bit of sense. Because most HTTP servers require something of the sort
 
user1804599
Make it a separate library.
 
user1804599
SRP or GTFO.
 
10:45 AM
Well, you didn't say it was intertwined. I would hope it's isolated
@rightfold But you don't need a library for each feature/class/...
 
user1804599
Oh why not add templates right away? You probably need those. And database abstraction layer.
 
@RobertHarvey Interestingly, those name changes will likely send the noobs over on the double, and exactly the wrong kind. I can't see how people from the lounge were trying to argue "in the abstract" for this, when it seems obvious that the particular name was not going to be a win for anyone. Oh well. "Temporary insanity", perhaps :S
 
11:07 AM
@rightfold Huh? Templates, yes, maybe. Database? Nah. Plenty of sites run without that. And rightfully so (separation of front/back). And the abstraction layer: that should be a choice
 
11:22 AM
MORNING
 
user1804599
Hi Tomacock.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, so. How does it feel to be room owner? Is your dick longer?
 
oh wait what
blimey
poor Robot :(
 
poor pretty much all of the owners.
 
Except you :P
 
11:33 AM
and possibly Tony depending on which way you cut it.
 
he shouldn't have added you back
that was the cause of all of this
(I'm not saying that out of personal feelings: purely because he immediately undid a moderator's action, and you have to know how well that's gonna go down!)
I'd like to add some of the old owners back but I think we should let things cool down first
in the meantime, enjoy the coup d'etat
 
such drama
hey, @LightnessRacesinOrbit, ur my friend, right? make me room owner
 
lol
 
mods removed all the owners? :p
 
not all but most
 
Xeo
11:42 AM
Funniest part is sbi being back on the list.
 
jokes aside, we still need a lot of owners so at least one would present in the room
 
eh
the only thing this means for me is that I'm more willing to accept substandard chatting platforms like IRC as a replacement for the Lounge.
 
resurrect lounge.chat (or what was it)
 
Xeo
Hahaha, sbi's reaction to being added back to the owner list: "What did you guys smoke?"
 
11:47 AM
I'm sure that he's going to be both witheringly sarcastic and totally unsurprised.
 
@DeadMG being dropped as a room owner makes you want to leave so much that you're willing to accept substandard chatting platforms that you'd not have considered before?
wow
 
being removed as owner has little to do with it
 
> the only thing this means for me
what is the "this", then?
 
Xeo
This whole ordeal, presumably.
 
being called out on violating site-wide policies?
or that they exist in the first place?
 
11:49 AM
we don't need such policies. we have ours.
 
Xeo
Welp, back to cleaning up
 
well, most of the time the moderators seem to live and let live w.r.t. such things
 
@Abyx this room is a part of Stack Overflow
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's why we want to move outside.
 
@DeadMG I think we were always just on the tipping point, and a blind eye was given to us cos we're otherwise awesome. But then someone went and broke it by abusing that trust and stepping over the line.
@Abyx Okay but this room has always been a part of Stack Overflow. So what's changed today?
 
11:51 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's not today. the idea of moving to another chat platform is quite old
 
this room has had names like that in the past.
 
@Abyx And it's repeatedly failed. So, I'll ask you again, why the increased tolerance for moving to a substandard platform today?
 
we've been Lounge<Sex> before.
and a few other similar choices, if I recall.
 
And we shouldn't have been.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why?
 
11:52 AM
Really?
 
well
I guess it comes down to the fundamental purpose of chat on Stack Overflow.
 
It comes down to the fundamental purpose of Stack Overflow.
 
I disagree.
 
I know you do, which is why this has all happened, because you're wrong ;P
 
heh.
 
11:53 AM
This chat platform is not freely provided for people to do whatever they want with
 
@Abyx don't you see he has to at least pretend to agree with the powers that put him into "office" ? :p
 
isn't it?
 
It is provided to enhance and support SO proper, so SO's purpose is chat's purpose
 
@melak47 lol
 
we've been doing nearly exactly that for as long as it's been here.
 
11:54 AM
@melak47 I believe you'll find they're called corporate lobbyists :D
@DeadMG "nearly". As I just said, we're always been "getting away with it" but we were also always very close to the line.
Mods have repeatedly stated on Meta that they just sort of ignore us and let the Lounge get away with lots of stuff that SO chatrooms shouldn't, because there are experts in it and they don't want to lose them.
That in itself is not a licence to just do whatever you like, and it does not mean that the policies you've been bending don't exist at all
Pretty simple really shrug
breakfast time
 
yay I'm an expert!
 
I didn't say everyone in it were experts :P
 
aw :(
 

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