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12:01 AM
how to resolve fucked up situation
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@MooingDuck Yup, it's bollocks on Win/Linux/Intel/AMD. Calling convention wrong?
 
I... don't think so. The function about to be called is a logging function, I'd be shocked if the program got as far as it had with that not executing several thousand times. I wish I knew what I was looking at so I could give better information. No worries, I just thought it was bizarre.
 
@MooingDuck Note that it's relative to DS, but even so, 0x2c sounds wrong.
 
@MartinJames oh, didn't know that. That makes me feel slightly more sane.
Thanks anyway.
 
NGEN queue is the worst thing about system updates
 
12:07 AM
@StackedCrooked stackoverflow.com/questions/22545721 FYI we found a bug, coliru seems to be consuming leading whitespaces in the output.
 
Aahahaha you can't drag Firefox 29 windows when title bar is off
 
@MooingDuck Might be easier to show him this
 
Good job
 
@LegoStormtroopr but I want to know the hundreds of ways possible — Paul T. 14 mins ago
bedtime
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah - fuck 'em all. More shite tomorrow.
 
12:50 AM
Enumerator must be really proud of himself ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
1:01 AM
@BoltClock Hi :)
 
anyone else having problems with youtube?
 
@Crow Works here.
 
mine just takes significantly longer to load than before and freezes up
 
1:29 AM
@Crow Haven't looked at it for days so, no, no problem with youtube.
Must be local to you -- just checked and no problem.
 
user3010322
Alright.
 
user3010322
Now I have 3 raytracers I can use.
 
user3010322
ScanlineTracer
TileTracer
ThreadedTileTracer
 
That's a lot of nuts
 
1:43 AM
Suddenly I'm hungry.
Anybody know what replaced "sequence points" in the C++ standard? I can't seem to find it and don't seem to have been searching for the right words.
 
@Edward Sequenced before / after / indeterminately / unsequenced.
 
@Deduplicator Yes, but is there a name for the concept?
 
indeterminately is the same as either before or after, and no idea which
sequencing?
 
1.9, starting at p13
and yes, indeterminately sequenced means either before or after, not overlapping
actions on the same variable in indeterminate sequence land you in unspecified behavior instead of undefined behavior
see 1.3.24 and 1.3.25
 
If I called it "sequencing" would it be understood that I was talking about the contents of 1.9 p13?
 
1:50 AM
p15 uses the term sequencing constraint
that seems the most analogous to sequence point
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/23684349/deadmg-is-a-fag stackoverflow.com/posts/23684349/revisions
2
 
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/10/boltclock-edits-urls
 
@BenVoigt Ah, that's sounds official. Thanks!
 
@BoltClock :laffo:
Now that's a question worth pinning
 
Seems from the title that it was more of an assertion than question.
Tell me it wasn't brother enumerator....
 
1:56 AM
Unless someone stole his account, he appears to be responsible for the edit
 
Oy. What a maroon.
 
735
Q: Regular cast vs. static_cast vs. dynamic_cast

Graeme PerrowI've been writing C and C++ code for almost twenty years, but there's one aspect of these languages that I've never really understood. I've obviously used regular casts i.e. MyClass *m = (MyClass *)ptr; all over the place, but there seem to be two other types of casts, and I don't know the dif...

673
Q: When should static_cast, dynamic_cast, const_cast and reinterpret_cast be used?

e.JamesWhat are the proper uses of: static_cast dynamic_cast const_cast reinterpret_cast C-style cast (type)value Function-style cast type(value) and how does one decide which one to use in a specific case?

 
He showed up in the Lounge?
 
@BenVoigt Yeah a few hours ago
 
Yes, briefly, looking for an urgent answer to a malformed Arduino question
 
1:59 AM
Why tag the existing question with GREAT answers as C++-faq when you can get a few thousand rep by closing it as a duplicate of a new one?
 
deadmg rolled out the red carpet for him as he is wont to do.
pissing match. hilarity ensued.
 
Oh wait, that one WAS tagged as c++-faq? It's the better question with better answers.
Oh ok, it's narrower in scope
Still not sure I agree with removal of the c++-faq tag and closure as a duplicate
 
It doesn't seem right that it's a duplicate when it seems to have been asked four months before the other question.
 
The older one at least has a semblance of meeting the rules for a good on-topic question. Not so with the second one.
 
@Edward That was brought up on meta yesterday
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Q: What is the proper action if duplicate question is better than original?

AkavallLet's suppose that Question A is the original question, and question B is asking the same thing, but is clearly better presented. Should Question B be closed as duplicate? Now let's suppose that Question B has generated answers that are also clearly better than answers to Question A, should ques...

OK 2 days ago
 
2:07 AM
@BoltClock OK, makes sense. Choose the better question, regardless of timing is certainly a reasonable policy.
and it's great fun that the meta question was also marked as duplicate...
Maybe I'll ask it again tomorrow, but better! lol
 
:)
It will be much better than that, because, you know, it will be newer!
 
So should the old questions be migrated back to MSO, since they're about site-specific policy?
 
... speaking of "sequencing constraints" ....
 
So I came to chat to see if anyone had ever considered making std::shared_ptr to member subobjects (base objects are more obvious, well supported, even without polymorphic destructor, a feature peculiar to shared_ptr. That infrastructure could support member subobject cases)
 
2:18 AM
@BenVoigt: Why not? Still, you need to provide the proper custom deleter. Also fun if you want to have shared-pointers not only to that one sub-object, because I have no idea how you would do that.
 
@Deduplicator: Yes that's what I'm talking about, sharing the refcount instance between pointers to the complete object, pointers to base subobjects, and pointers to member subobjects (subobjects of member subobjects should be gotten for free at that point)
Having a pointer only to one member subobject seems useless, because almost by definition the parent object would be inaccessible.... oh, maybe the subobject could have a reference/pointer to its own parent. So not totally useless.
 
I think that's a niche not addressed in the standard yet, and any implementation could provide that in a conforming way without extra cost.
Still, I don't think it will be added soon.
 
Does operator== on shared_ptr do identity comparison on the refcount helper object?
That could make for... interesting comparison results, if shared_ptr to member subobject were allowed
Although that case could already exist with repeated non-virtual inheritance of the same base class, I guess
No, looks like it compares the pointer, not the helper
 
IIRC, you can assign from a shared_ptr<Derived> to a shared_ptr<Parent> without restrictions...
 
Oh, I must have remembered reading the owner_before description
@Deduplicator: Yes, I know
 
2:29 AM
I'm not a big fan of std::shared_ptr and generally use std::unique_ptr much more often.
 
Ah, there is already such a ctor.
template<class Y> shared_ptr(const shared_ptr<Y>& r, T *p) noexcept; Does all one could wish for.
 
Nifty
 
@Edward: Sure, use the proper tool for the job. Also, the easiest solution which could possibly work.
 
@Edward: Me too. I do sometimes find myself wishing that unique_ptr had predefined version with polymorphic deleter, without all the refcount stuff associated with shared_ptr
Obviously not all unique_ptr need that. But a template using would be nice.
 
Also "simple solutions for simple minds." and my simple mind tends to more easily correctly use unique_ptr than shared_ptr.
 
2:38 AM
@MooingDuck Fixed it.
 
One more silly question before bed: other than recursion limits, what implementation-defined limitations should one expect for C++ constexpr?
Or should I just ask that in SO?
Or should I just go to bed?
 
There is no limit.
 
Would that include <regex>?
 
you can't call non-constexpr functions from a constexpr.
but applying a regex algorithm on the input should be possible
as long as its constexpr :)
 
Are you copy/pasting from 5.19?
 
2:45 AM
I didn't paste anything.
 
Oh, sorry! Didn't notice it was a link. :)
Well, something to dream about. G'dnight.
Thanks for the interesting conversations.
 
3:12 AM
Of course there's a recursion limit
Recommended limit is not less than 512
 
user3010322
4:03 AM
Argh.
 
user3010322
It's failed. :c
 
user3010322
I don't know what or how the thing I'm doing wrong is going wrong.
 
user3010322
But it's going wrong, and it's driving me up the wall.
 
user3010322
.....
 
user3010322
THAT WAS IT
 
user3010322
4:08 AM
THAT WAS THE PROBLEM?!
 
user3010322
RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGRGHGHGHGGHGH
 
user3010322
I DON'T EVEN
 
user3010322
I INVOKE THE POWERS OF @thecoshman !!1
 
user3010322
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ !!!!!!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
user3010322
@melak47 All the artefacts are gone. cccccccc:
 
user3010322
4:09 AM
 
user3010322
@Borgleader @ScarletAmaranth ^^^ SEE IT'S MUCH PRETTIER NOW
 
4:22 AM
Looks awful.
 
user3010322
But there's no squiggly dots!
 
user3010322
Also, I'm not sure if my multisampling algorithm is working properly.
 
user3010322
But that's something to worry about later.~
 
You should worry about those awful shadows.
:v
 
user3010322
It's hardshadowing.
 
user3010322
4:24 AM
Not really much I can do about it.
 
It's terribleshadowing
That's what it is.
 
user3010322
Though I am keenly concerned about the plane, because I am telling it to checkboard white and black...
 
user3010322
.... and it's doing some offblue/grey and black.
 
user3010322
Next thing I wanna make is a little indicator that shows which tiles are being rendered.
 
user3010322
Aww fuckles.
 
user3010322
4:38 AM
Because shadows affect different primitives, they end up still being jagged edged because the multisampler doesn't pick up on that particular block being worth multisampling, since it's just part of the color calculation, and not part of the initial ray-hitting calculation.
 
user3010322
I need to expand my multisampler to take into account interactions between primitives, rather than just naively the first hit.
 
user3010322
I can probably do this by mixing the pointer values for each primitive that affects the final color
 
user3010322
... Probably just going to add them together.
 
user3010322
Actually, no, that's not a good mix at all...
 
user3010322
Agh.
 
user3010322
4:41 AM
Maybe if I instead apply a convolution kernel and just do regular gaussian edge detection
 
user3010322
and then just multisample the edges
 
user3010322
I could get a better benefit?
 
user3010322
Mmm. Either way, it mostly works.
 
user3010322
I'll figure out shadow smoothing laater.~
 
What's better than "urgent"? How about an "emergency"...
-3
Q: please check this emergency request about a superclass

user3637733I am a new java programmer. I want to determine the maximum mark of an array which contains the students' name of a classroom and their marks. to do this, I have a superclass like Person which contains getName(), Max() and print() abstract methods and should not to be changed. I have a subclass ...

 
user3502455
5:19 AM
Hello everyone, I'm also a C++ programmer. I'm only a beginner, so I have lots to learn, and that's why I'm here.
 
can we stop the flag thing please
 
What the hell is going on?
To whoever is flagging, if those messages are "offensive", you might as well just flag the entire room.
 
I've deemed invalid to few
 
5:36 AM
What messages?
 
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/16503129#16503129
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/16503003#16503003
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/16502983#16502983
 
lol
 
There was a 4th one as well. But it looks like it's been cleared without banning LRIB.
 
for (;;)
do it for Zoidberg
 
@Mysticial were 8 in total
 
5:43 AM
@Mr.Alien Woah... I must have missed the first 4.
 
I had deemed 4 as invalid so may be cuz of that you got the remaining 4
flagging in bulk will ban the user who is being flagged
 
maybe it's Vlad :'(
revenge from the angry little vlad
ITT vlad learns to flag
 
6:00 AM
ಠ_ಠ
OK so I know who's flagging (hint not Vlad), but I have no idea what his motivations are
 
ban him for an hour, that would teach him a lesson
 
Ssshhh ...
I am sure Tomalak dreams about Vlad returning his "love" some days ... :p
 
 
@BoltClock someones down voting my correct answer at the rate of 1 downvote per day, I know you can't do anything in this but isn't that weird?
 
@Mr.Alien How long has this been occurring?
 
6:07 AM
umm let me check
 
And why are you here :O
 
The flagfest
 
haha for the flags and also
 
feisty little @LightnessRacesinOrbit got an online enemy ...
and it's not XXXX
interesting
@BoltClock did Tomalak recently downvote/troll him?
 
@BoltClock 6th, 7th, 14th, today, so not that consistent but all answers are valid and well explained
in HTML / CSS / WebDesign, 18 hours ago, by Mr. Alien
I wanted to learn C since I was a kid...
 
user3010322
6:12 AM
You poor, poor fool... :c
 
@BoltClock it's not an albino snow bear is it?
 
he won't reveal the real name
 
1) the user knows how to use this chat, 2) the user knows how to flag on SO chats, 3) the user seems to be pissed off by Tomalak
that just limited the possible choices to ... very few people
 
@Mr.Alien Can't pinpoint anything with just a small handful of votes
 
yea but sucks when the valid answers are downvoted, thanks for your time anyways...
 
6:23 AM
seriously though, people need to stop whining about a couple of downvotes :p
unless someone is really persistent, who would downvote another user once a day?
people on the internet don't have the patience usually
 
its 5 down votes on quality answers, I don't mind if they down vote the crap ones, downvoting the legit ones is bad
also you know what the reason they give for a downvote
?
user comments "-1, you explained answer in detail which is confusing for a beginner like me"
 
My sore throat just turned into otitis
Help
 
I had answers/questions with some upvotes and a few downvotes - it's life, some people like an answer, others don't
 
yea thats right
 
Hehehe. SO's RSS feed messed up
-1 The question needs a SSCCE. See sscce.org As is you're wasting your own time, but also ours. Update Hmmm. Why are old questions in the RSS feed? — sehe 54 secs ago
 
6:29 AM
sehehe
 
@ThePhD He wanted to, obviously, since he was a kid. Now that he's older, obviously, he sees the folly of that desire!
 
Cicada, are you gay?
 
Yes I like men
 
Cat fight!
 
Might be because I'm a girl
 
6:31 AM
Did you change your name again?
 
yeah sure robot would know ... such a feminine figure ...
 
@Mysticial You missed it?!
 
@Mysticial No I have to do that soon. I'm open to suggestions btw. Also, thanks for putting me in NGNL. (Or was it @Xeo? One of you mentionned it)
 
@sehe apparently :)
 
...
talking about slow people
 
6:32 AM
@presiuslitelsnoflek We both watch it.
 
hi
 
@Hussein Hello there Saddam
 
hay i am a iranian
 
@chmod711telkitty Well, you already took that prize with your opening bid!
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek Hay i am a iranian
 
6:33 AM
@Hussein Congratulations :) And welcome
 
@Hussein What a coincidence! Me too! خوش آمدید.
 
@Hussein Let us know, when it changes
@presiuslitelsnoflek Needs more capitals :)
 
Dam on Saddam
 
I am a bit pissed off at the moment, the people who I am paying for are giving me the sh!ts
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek He kill most of my family
 
6:34 AM
Well that's unfortunate
 
@Hussein You don't need to somehow state your beliefs or political preference here. It's the internet. We're happy to leave you be.
 
sure I am not paying a fortune for the thing they do, but freaking asses are taking 6 weeks to do something that would normally only take 2-3 days
 
@sehe You'll never win this. I'm not going to let you.
 
@presiuslitelsnoflek Yeah, sorry, I get a little nervous when my friend call me Saddam
 
@Hussein Unless you specifically want to discuss the topic, in which case this is veeeeery likely not the right room
@presiuslitelsnoflek Don't be a meanie :)
 
6:35 AM
@sehe Of course it is! Lounge<Politics>
@Jerry très très fort
@Jerry à gorge déployée
 
the reason i come here. i just forget a thing and i ask you to help me to recall it. i remember a time that i changed a txt file into windows that when user for example put yahoo.com into there browser address bar and click go they automatically redirect to another web site.
 
@Jerry aux éclats
@Hussein C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
 
Jerry is not interested in a gay relationship
stop your advances right now
 
 
4 hours later…
10:52 AM
and we're back.
 
hey
 
(removed)
 
(inserted)
Is the main site inaccessible to anyone else? I can't ping stackoverflow.com.
 
good job SO
@Potatoswatter It's up and down. WFM atm but is in read-only mode.
 
11:00 AM
DDos attacked again?
 
@Potatoswatter Read-only mode.
 
@Potatoswatter It's in read-mode for me
 
chat was first up
We are bringing #stackexchange chat services online now.
@chmod711telkitty no
 
their data center lost power and their backup data center failed.
 
@Mysticial What was all this about?
@BoltClock I think I can guess
 
11:02 AM
@chmod711telkitty How do you know? Did you DDoS attack SO?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can't
 
Don't have the bandwidth
no time to write the trojan either
>_<
besides why would I want to DDos attack SO?
 
@ThePhD your raytraced images look as though you have a post process on them that involves a dog eating the picture and then somehow getting it back out
3
 
@chmod711telkitty Because you are a troll?
 
I wanted to ask a question about move-only types in initializer lists too.
 
11:06 AM
It's weird that I can't login on SO, but I'm already logged in SO.chat
 
@DeadMG Ask away
 
well, apparently, the answer is "No, fuck you."
 
@Jefffrey It's not weird at all. I just posted two links explaining why that is. Did you not follow them?
(Chat was brought up early during this ongoing site recovery stage)
 
@DeadMG Sounds right.
 
11:09 AM
bah.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, I didn't see them.
 
bah.
dumb language why do you have this dumb restriction
 
Xeo
wheee
 
Incorrect and contentious design process.
 
11:11 AM
someone please star my link to the SE blog post
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That doesn't explain why I can't search in chat though :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit do we care tho?
 
@Jefffrey well that's never worked reliably ;p
 
hehe
 
@Jefffrey Because you're too fat?
 
11:12 AM
server was down and now it is up
wow
 
speaking of which, it's lunchtime.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I care because I don't want to have to listen to you berating people for asking what's going on over and over again, which will begin to happen shortly
@BartekBanachewicz Except it's not. So you should follow the link, too, and gain some knowledge that you currently lack. Instead of acting all high and mighty and whatnot.
 
What just happened?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol sometimes I wonder how stiff must be a stick in your butt to allow you to act so condescending.
anyway.
 
It should be pinned IMHO.
 
11:14 AM
have you seen the "guy-finds-a-secret-room-with-stuff-and-video-tapes" viral story yet?
@Jefffrey uh ok I'll star it fine.
 
That was a long outage
 
@BartekBanachewicz No?
 
let me find that limbo microwave comic
uh wat
 
nice
 
is image upload broken too
 
11:16 AM
nice
stahp
 
god damn it
 
> .jpe
I can't even see it http://themetapicture.com/media/picture.jpe here
 
great success
@Jefffrey here
 
Finally!
 
hm, I was asleep through the outage
 
11:24 AM
@BartekBanachewicz imdb.com/title/tt3549636
 
@Jefffrey :P
 
Not to mention that OP could be responsible for all that gold randomly given to everyone.
Oops.
Did I just cause 20+ more views?
 
Hello?
Ground control to Major Cat?
 
Mrow?
 
@MartinJames woof woof motherfucker
 
Xeo
11:35 AM
@DeadMG Are you a woofing cat now?
 
yes
 
Oh - chat's working again...
I haven't downCloseVoted anything today 'cos outage, still, hedge got cut and grass got mown.
Didn't take long for the flaggots to turn up.
 
5 hours ago, by presius litel snoflek
@sehe You'll never win this. I'm not going to let you.
So... Who won :) Har har har
I had to nuke the site for that, but it was worth it /cc @VáclavZeman
 
user1804599
11:51 AM
Good morning friends and puppy.
 
Hi friend and troll
 
Is something wrong (again) with my browsing experience, or has the starboard disappeared for everyone?
 
Yellow.
@FredOverflow Former.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow It's not us, it's you.
 
@FredOverflow Loadsa stuff not working.
 
11:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, reload and it works again :)
 
Oh - it's back.
 
Daisy snoring like a truck on my bed.
 
goodbye Cristina Yang :(
@FredOverflow I've had that a couple times. Guess it'll subside
remarkable that SO proper is still not up!
 
Xeo
gaaah, stupid flash animations
 
what's that now, six hours?
 
11:59 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We could use the SO downtime to do something productive for a change!
 
@DeadMG Trucks don't snore!
 
I did
 

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