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9:00 PM
anyway, true and false are distinct tokens, integers are not.
 
For the record, this time is not like those other times. It was like talking to a 12 year old, which is incredibly frustrating when the whole point of the talk is attempting to find out why someone is calling you "boy" and "immature".
 
sbi
@thecoshman "Turn my back?" I'm not his mother.
 
uhoh
Already blackmail material there :)
 
user1804599
Token ≠ AST node.
 
@sbi But he's all alone, wandering the streets, hardly a shoe on his foot! How could you be so cold harted?
 
user1804599
9:00 PM
Man.
 
sbi
@sehe That was discussed here already back then, so I didn't blackmail anyone (now).
 
Wait, I get it now... it's an elaborate troll!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Mmm. I do think that there's a slight difference in the point Bartek has been trying to defend and those of me and the ape
 
user1804599
Snickers would be so nice if they remove the fucking peanuts.
 
@sbi :_
 
user1804599
9:01 PM
(As everything that contains peanuts.)
 
@sehe lol
 
sbi
@thecoshman He is what? How am I supposed to know?
 
@sehe There's a huge difference, and that's what I'm trying to say!
If my reactions to those situations has appeared to be similar or the same in each case, that's unintentional. Usually it's either being sarcastic, trolling DeadMG, or trying to get Bartek to understand how reality works. As I said, this one was different.
 
Oh. So cryptic.
 
@sbi My god, it's like you don't care about human robot life! He's not able to look after himself.
 
user1804599
9:02 PM
IMO Twitter should count “IJ” as one character in Dutch text.
 
really?
 
One thing I've noticed about you though is that you like to argue with me fairly aggressively when we're actually in agreement
 
@rightfold Almond Mars bars. Now I want one...
 
seems pretty capable of looking after himself.
 
sbi
@thecoshman As I said, I'm not his mummy.
 
9:03 PM
FUCK 10pm
 
@rightfold Unicode Consortium disagrees.
 
am I too late for pubbing
 
@sbi Clearly, I'm having to fly (on air boats) all the way to Berlin to look after him for a few days. You make me sick!
 
@rightfold IMO, Twitter should be expunged from the planet.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not at all. Pubs are open until, what, 0200 or so?
 
sbi
@thecoshman You seem to overestimate yourself.
 
9:05 PM
@sbi When was the last time you fed him?
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Here they are open as long as they want. (I bet there's place here where you can have breakfast now, and it's 11pm.)
 
@DeadMG In fact, his head turns all the way around, so he can look back after himself much better than us humans.
 
sbi
@thecoshman That would have been months ago.
 
I'm gonna bow out here. It's saturday night. I'll leave with this gentle admonition
Dec 28 '13 at 1:14, by Lightness Races in Orbit
@sehe Read: don't try to have a mature discussion in the Lounge.
 
evening gents
 
9:06 PM
@sbi OH MY GOD!
 
@sbi IIRC (which, admittedly, I may not) English pubs do close at some point.
 
Sam
evening tony
 
@JerryCoffin midnight nominally, though they'll probably be going until 1am
it's a case of getting a bus, walking 25 mins, then not being too late for it to have been worth the bother
 
@JerryCoffin normally, 11pm, but they can get licences for all sorts of ours
 
9:07 PM
i'm gonna give it a go
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin AFAIK that's true in other German cities, too. In Berlin, however, it isn't.
 
hmm, my computer doesn't like the lounge today. about once per second the chat area bounces down about 1px.
 
@sehe Yep me too - sweet dreams :)
@MooingDuck Shame it doesn't bounce down by the vertical resolution of my screen
 
Sam
same old, same old, working on a open source audio project atm ^.^
 
9:07 PM
oh interesting, it stopped as soon as I posted a message. noted.
 
Sam
*an
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Have fun.
 
@JerryCoffin and also you
 
sbi
@MooingDuck See, you need to talk more, duckling.
 
9:08 PM
@TonyTheLion soup with no shock :O
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You mean, we're both mostly trying to be reasonable, but you just don't want to risk being accused of being politically correct about it xD ?
This trait appears to be shared by many in this room. It might be a key reason why things get "interesting" quickly, especially with not-so-very-sharp newlings.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I had soup for dinner. And you?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. Over and out!
 
@sbi I have soup in my fridge.
Might have it tomorrow for lunch
 
user1804599
Better than a fridge in your soup.
 
Xeo
9:10 PM
@sbi You've been soup? Woah.
 
@Xeo I saw that, and refused to question it.
 
@rightfold Waiter! There's a fridge in my soup.
 
sbi
@Xeo :)
@TonyTheLion That's a bad place for soup to be.
It's way better to have it in your belly.
 
@Xeo everyone has a past
 
I've got a dog sleeping on my lap.
 
9:11 PM
@sbi This is true.
 
Xeo
I'm eating greek tomorrow. Gonna be yummy.
 
Sam
speaking of soup, that's what im having tomorrow
 
The delicious taste of a country gone bankrupt.
 
@DeadMG dude! think of the children!
 
Sam
lol
 
9:13 PM
@Sam awesome
 
it's irritatingly difficult to get useful information about screen brightness, contrast, and overall chassis quality for laptop models.
 
user1804599
I ate soup for breakfast today.
 
hey
 
user1804599
@MooingDuck If you ever have to fiddle with those values on a laptop, the laptop is already broken by definition.
 
Daisy's a lapdog, born and quite relentlessly bred
she's just not happy if you don't let her sleep on your lap.
 
Sam
9:14 PM
i actually had some soup tonight as well
 
user1804599
They must work correctly out of the box.
 
@rightfold not what I mean. For instance, I'm eyeballing the Gigabyte Q2556N model, but I have no idea what the maximum brightness is, or if the screen has wide viewing angles, or if it gets hot, or runs loud, or what the max contrast is, or the quality of the hinges, if it's plastic or metal...
scratch that, from the images it's plastic, so I know that one.
 
Sam
checked the manufactures site?
 
@Sam manufacturers sites never have viewing angles, or mention hinges. They almost never mention viewing angles, brightness, heat, or fans unless they're #1 in that category at that time.
 
Sam
@MooingDuck i mean the manufacture of the screen, not the actual laptop.
 
9:19 PM
now this is a cool map
 
Y'all didn't answer me
 
Sam
@MooingDuck asus don't mention the max temp of the cpu inside, but intel do, as an example
 
@DemCodeLines you don't seem to have asked anything (recently, anyway).
 
@Sam oh, it's hard to figure out who manufactures the screen/chasis.
@Sam sure, but intel can't tell you how well those fans keep the keyboard cool in that chasis
 
time for puppy drugs!
 
9:22 PM
@MooingDuck It's almost entirely irrelevant anyway. Roughly 90% of all laptops are made by about half a dozen (or so) manufacturers, and they all make models ranging from great to horrible.
 
Sam
@MooingDuck yeah, fair point, you might end like me, having to get a laptop cooling stand
 
I'm not sure I understand the point of windows 8 apps...
 
Sam
thats because there is no point...
 
@DemCodeLines Talk to her
 
@Crow The main point (I'm pretty sure) is to make Windows 9 look so much better by comparison (and hope we won't notice that it's really Windows XP2).
 
Sam
9:27 PM
lol your probably spot on
 
@Sam I hope, anyway. Based on experience, I'm not at all sure it'll be nearly that good...
 
@JerryCoffin There's pretty strong historical evidence for Microsoft following a tick/tock cycle similar to Intel's
and based on that cycle, Windows 8 was gonna suck and Windows 9 should be a hit.
 
Sam
let me guess, another completely different GUI to be a pain in the back side for devs
 
@DeadMG Yes, certainly not a new observation.
 
yes, I certainly didn't observe that cycle myself, somebody else pointed it out to me
 
sbi
9:31 PM
@StackedCrooked Maybe that's down to bad experiences? :)
 
@JerryCoffin The point was that that manufacturer might have brightness/contrast info at least, though probably not viewing angles.
 
@DeadMG At the same time, I have to admit to at least some degree of surprise over just how badly they've gotten some things wrong. Some of them are like reading a doctoral dissertation on math, and finding a claim that 2+2 = 17.
@MooingDuck They might. Or at least might have traceability back to the panel vendor, who would have such stuff.
 
@JerryCoffin the panel vendor was the manufacturer we were referring to at that point, sorry for the confusion
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I don't understand why people bash Win8 all the time
 
I have, at times, figured out who actually built quite a few laptops when I needed to. If you can find an approval number from UL, CSI, DIN, etc.,, most of those have online databases that'll at least tell you who built the laptop itself.
 
Xeo
9:36 PM
It's Win7 improved, + extras
 
@Xeo Because Metro blows chunks.
As long as you run Windows 7 apps on it, and have something to give a halfway decent desktop, the underlying framework in Windows 8 is fine. The new apps are awful though, and the start screen is the most worthless design in years. Basically replaced a hierarchical (roughly logarithmic) search with a linear search.
 
I guess it would make more sense if real programs were ported to or possibly emulated as apps... but right now it just seems awkward
 
Xeo
I haven't clicked through the start menu in years
I always just hit Winkey and start to type
 
@MooingDuck What you actually said was "screen/chassis". I was talking chassis, you apparently the screen.
 
Xeo
anywhoops, almost midnight. Better get some sleep, got a long D&D session tomorrow
 
9:42 PM
@Xeo For that style, Win 8 probably isn't bad. You seem to be in a minority though.
@Xeo Good night.
 
Xeo
And I need to get up early to finish cleaning this room, damn.
@JerryCoffin I guess it's better for "power users" than others
I love me the shortcuts
@JerryCoffin Also, FWIW, that's the same thing I do at home with Win7 - Winkey, type.
 
@JerryCoffin I agree. I like Win8>Win7. But I live in a bash shell, even on Win8
 
@JerryCoffin I was under the impression that they were usually coming from the same source to gigabyte/asus/acer/dell/etc, but they could be separate.
 
@Xeo I simply pin virtually all of my useful programs to taskbar.
I've never used winkey for anything, really.
 
@MooingDuck I believe Asus manufactures their own laptops. Most of the other brands are just that: brands. The actual manufacturers are companies like Quanta, Compal, Foxconn, Wistron and Flextronics (seems like there's one other big one, but I can't remember the name right now).
 
9:54 PM
@JerryCoffin ah, I had the wrong vocabulary then
 
@Xeo Bottom line is pretty simple: Win 7 is flexible enough to suit quite a few different styles pretty well. Win8 suits a few just as well, but some others really poorly.
 
@DeadMG I never use the taskbar for anything, really
 
sbi
@sehe That's because you're on Linux, right?
 
Nope
 
sbi
Solaris?
 
9:55 PM
@sehe a command shell though
 
@sbi Sometimes :)
@MooingDuck What?
 
sbi
I knew it!
 
I like Solaris. Heaps nicer than Tru64, HP/UX or AIX
Shame about Oracle buying it
 
Sam
well im off guys, see you all later.
 
Night all
 
10:00 PM
good night.
 
sbi
 
fuck
VS is so useless
won't show derived type and won't evaluate virtual function because it has no address.
it's in the vtable you moron.
even I am capable of writing a compiler that can load a function pointer from a vtable.
 
sbi
From what I remember, VS' debugger did show polymorphic objects.
 
it does on occassion but not on others.
 
@sbi Shh....much easier to blame the tools than learn to use them (and what the heck are you still doing up at this hour?)
 
sbi
10:35 PM
@JerryCoffin I have no kids this weekend, so I can sleep as long as I want. :D
 
@sbi ah, I see.
 
sbi
Well, maybe I should go to bed anyway. I should spend the rainy day that is expected tomorrow preparing for the seminars I'll be giving. IN little more than two weeks. Sigh.
See you!
 
Good night.
 
@JerryCoffin several are using clevo. I keep seeing them.
 
my nose, it's le cold
I'm going to bed also
good night.
 
user3010322
11:00 PM
Mmm...
 
user3010322
I haven't been looking forward to this day at all....
 
?
 
user3010322
The day I make my string classes construct and interact with iterators rather than buffer_views.
 
user3010322
But it's probably the only way to get rid of the buffer_view dependency that's followed around by string in 70% of my code.
 
user3010322
If I can do this, I won't have to recompile everything when messing with buffer_view.
 
user3010322
11:02 PM
If I want to be really picky, though, I can just make it interact with TRange's
 
user3010322
(that will eventually devolve into iterators anyways, but... still.)
 
Oh yeah.
 
@ThePhD I'm curious what is this buffer_view that the strings would depend on it and yet constantly needs messing with .
 
Isn't tomorrow your switch day?
 
user3010322
Yeah.
 
11:03 PM
Sometimes my mom goes facebook crazy. Over the last hour she's posted 14 facebook posts.
 
user3010322
@MooingDuck buffer_view is a class that takes a pointer to data and the size of that data. It has a single constructor and can infer the size from c-arrays, initializer lists, etc. etc.
 
@ThePhD sounds simple. stop changing it
 
user3010322
I finished it a long time ago, but then I had to generalize it (buffer_view<T> -> buffer_view<T, dimensions>) and now I'm changing it again so I can give it begin and end iterators that work with the new index and bounds types, as well as the bounds_iterator<n> (see: open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2014/n3851.pdf)
 
user3010322
I'm also implementing an incredibly generalized form of buffer_view<T, n> called strided_buffer_view<T, n>, also in the paper above. This one allows you to "slice" or "section" an array in various ways, based on parameters passed into its constructor.
 
user3010322
The last thing I also need to add to it is the addition of a special iterator based on bounds_iterator<n> called proxy_bounds_iterator<TContainer, n>
 
user3010322
11:09 PM
It takes a container, generates indices, and then provides random-access iteration to said container based on the rules of bounds_iterator<n>, so it can work seamlessly with the std:: library.
 
user3010322
(bounds_iterator<n> cannot participate in some of the algorithms as it only returns an index when dereferenced, not a reference to any actual data)
 
Oh look: wall-of-chat.
 
11:33 PM
lol
 
Still, it's better than a wall of puppy/tony/shoggy/meta crap.
 
user3010322
Oh. Sorry. :c
 
user3010322
Tits.
 
user3010322
I might have to delay my transfer day. ;~;
 
11:46 PM
@Borgleader ?
 
@MartinJames Why the delay
 
Wots a 'transfer day'?
 
user3010322
The day I change compilers, IDE, and toolsets to build my stuff.
 

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