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2:01 PM
lol
Was that so unfunny that I killed the room?
Woah
 
Hush. Too much credit
 
@DeadMG it's supposed not to work if you uninstall it, silly.
 
fortunately, after you uninstall it, it doesn't not-work anymore.
 
Believe me, when I tried the beta in [no,de]cember, I deemed it useless. When I retried in februari, I still spent about a day fuming at it being slow and not supporting shit. But then, when the caches were filled and my workflow stabilized, I got to part where I actually began to see the features
 
user1804599
2:07 PM
nocember
 
I'm still happy that I made it past that starting day this time around.
Fun fact: I only installed the R#/C++ EAP again because I needed a R# for C# license :|
I wouldn't have retried it otherwise.
 
personally, I wouldn't mind if it was just slow, but the syntax highlighting is totally broken and I especially dislike that it replaced the default syntax highlighting without asking me.
 
So, don't get me wrong, @Puppy, I know what it is to be critical of stuff. But I also know the value of "Give it a chance". Meaning, more than 270 seconds.
@DeadMG Go ahead, uninstall. Broken syntax highlighting isn't for you.
 
user1804599
Speaking of giving chances.
 
user1804599
I don't give a chance.
 
2:10 PM
Not a single flying chance was given that day.
 
2:25 PM
YAY. Convinced my coworker to watch the Red Wedding with us.
 
> private protected
what is that useful for?
 
Same as private: virtual in C++, I suppose.
 
That doesn't mean much to me
Guess I'll have to Google
 
Xeo
> public double Dist => Sqrt(X * X + Y * Y);
huh
 
2:31 PM
Derived classes can override it, but not call it.
@Xeo That's quite cool.
 
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Q: What is the meaning of the planned "private protected" C# access modifier?

KobiAs part of the Roslyn documentation on CodePlex, there's a page called Language feature implementation status, with planned language features for C# and VB. One feature I couldn't wrap my head around was private protected access modifier: private protected string GetId() { … } There is also ...

 
Xeo
dependent values, eh?
 
@Xeo Nah, just short property syntax.
 
Xeo
Ah, right
 
Shedding all the verbosity.
 
2:31 PM
So it's "protected and internal" instead of "protected or internal"? — Mehrdad Apr 4 at 8:16
Fucking finally.
 
Xeo
get-only, though, right?
cause setting it wouldn't make any sense
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh. Disappointing.
@EtiennedeMartel Why is that so useful?
 
Xeo
> Semicolon operator
wait, what
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Darn. I always overlook that.
@Xeo mmm!?
 
Xeo
so they basically lifted declarations to the expression level with that
 
2:34 PM
Not, it's just the comma operator.
 
Xeo
> (var x = Foo(); Write(x); x * x)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I remember once having an issue that would have been a good candidate, but I can't remember what the issue was.
 
Xeo
That's a declaration. Comma operator does not allow declarations.
 
Oh well, comma operator on steroids.
 
user1804599
@Xeo So nice.
 
user1804599
2:35 PM
For lambdas.
 
user1804599
Screw explicit return in lambdas. :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel Often the issue is poor design.
 
Xeo
hm, kinda seems like a let-binding actually
 
user784668
@rightfold Screw explicit return everywhere.
 
user784668
Make all statements expressions.
 
Xeo
2:36 PM
> Delegate combination with +
 
user1804599
@Fanael F#!
 
Xeo
oh wait, that's old
 
user1804599
@Xeo What is delegate combination? Is it function composition?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What we do need, however, is friend.
 
Xeo
@rightfold That's what I'd guess
 
user1804599
2:37 PM
Or is it like foreach (var @delegate in delegates) @delegate();?
 
Xeo
hm. dunno.
 
user784668
@rightfold Or LISP. The one from 1958.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes It says 'Exists' at least
 
@Xeo that
 
2:38 PM
@rightfold Yes
 
Event += handler used to be just sugar for Event_AddHandler(handler), where Event_AddHandler is compiler magic.
Id est, the lhs cannot be a delegate. It has to be an event, this magical entity.
delegate1 += delegate2 can combine any delegates.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus What is the return value?
 
user1804599
Or does it have to be void?
 
C# is becoming the new Perl. But with a proper type system
6
 
2:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh.
Well.
 
user1804599
@sehe proper sans null.
 
Why is it there?
Oh. VB.
 
@rightfold The last one
 
user1804599
lol
 
Without custom combiner that's p much the only sane option
Boost.Signals does the same thing afair
 
2:45 PM
> Sucer debout, c'est ça s'tenir drette
 
Sucker
 
Indexed member initializers and accessors seem a useless keystroke saver.
 
I don't see how it's different than dict initialiser
 
It's three keystrokes less!
 
Having the feeling that's fake ^
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does remind me of Perl the most. And VB6's obj!Key default Item indexer accessor. Yup. That's a thing. dispid(1) IIRC
 
2:50 PM
forgot I had a map in another android app of mine (now going to do some serious copy & paste)
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Monoidal return values!
 
@sehe Some companies just do this things for publicity.
Or "advertising". Yeah, I meant advertising.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He broke [what I presume to be] a promise and you haven't talked to him yet?
Didn't phone him at the time?
 
I assume he had a reason to not show up. FWIW he wasn't at the usual place we meet at on Tuesdays either.
 
@sehe well it doesn't have the same ASCII art looking code potential as Perl though...
 
user1804599
2:54 PM
Meh, Bic.
 
Bic is great with lighters
 
user1804599
Parker.
 
what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where would you add more auto?
IMO.1 integral types are a good area never to use auto (except maybe in TMP). Here, e.g. using auto on all three variables would result in int, and size_t. IMO.2 the single-type multiple-variable declaration here is eminently expressive of the fact that it is critical that these three variables have the same type.
 
@sehe At least the supposed sender seems to be correct: linkedin.com/pub/edgar-hernandez/1/69/439
 
2:56 PM
Pilot :p ( just the 0.4s)
 
@Scis you haven't seen proper C# 6.0 code with FluentAssertions, LINQ-to-Hell and async await :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the easiest part to fake :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, at this point any new feature in C# is going to be a "keystroke saver".
 
user1804599
Language-integrated hell.
 
The real feature is null propagation anyway
 
@Jefffrey I don't smoke, but if I did, I'd be using one of these lighters
 
2:58 PM
And params IEnumerable
 
@EtiennedeMartel But this one is useless.
 
The rest is meh
 
just because it looks awesome
 
@AlexM. yeah, those are awesome but they cost a lot too
 
2:59 PM
yeah, there's only one store selling them in my city and they're expensive like hell :(
 
It saves three keystrokes and adds more syntax.
 
@sehe lol yeah I haven't back at the day when I was using C#, LINQ was new and people were using it carefully and gently, have any amusing examples?
 
if you are one of those people that keep losing lighters, it might not be a great idea
 
@CatPlusPlus wut. Ah. That's... useful. But very niche. Only useful if you want to explicitly pass it a (lazy) enumerable of course, saves early enumaring/allocating an array
@Scis I have my quick&dirty code bases :/
 
I usually have IEnumerables around, not arrays
 
3:00 PM
@AlexM. Hell is pretty cheap
@CatPlusPlus The "Only useful" limitation was aimed at "explicitly passing", not array vs. enumerable (my point is that foo(a, b, c) is not going to lazily yield a, b, c)
@rightfold this appears to be your book /cc @BartekB
 
user1804599
wat
 
> Linear algebra and matrices, with their coordinate representations, became the mainstay of doing geometry, both in practice and in mathematical development. Matrices work, but in their usual form they only work on vectors, and this ignores Grassmann’s insight that extended qualities can be elements of computation. (Tensors partially fix this, but in a cumbersome coordinate-based notation.)
 
user1804599
Fuck geometry.
 
@rightfold lol
 
Whoa. Ginormous One Box Occurrence: Lounge<Eclipse>
 
user1804599
3:04 PM
@Jefffrey Pens from Parker are best pens.
 
Hehe. What good association
 
@sehe I love the part when the designer starts to get it and the boss just goes "Now you've confused everyone" and everything is haywire again.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I love the part where the "expert" says "You know what? I'll draw two red lines perpendicular to eachother, and the other lines transparent" (that way you won't see them, but they'll sill be there!)
 
3:22 PM
My favorite part is when the woman draws a triangle
 
3:33 PM
my favorite part is when the expert realized how futile his attempts are
 
Hard drive naming suggestions. Theme is usually names of characters/vessels/AIs from TV and movies, generally scifi, generally female
 
user784668
"Fuck".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "The D"
D comes from Disk
 
you guys suck
I'm thinking ROMMIE
but CORTANA also comes to mind
 
the only AI I know of is Cortana, so sorry
 
3:37 PM
yeah it's obviously gonna be Cortana, isn't it
done
 
I can't let you do that, Dave.
 
I'm a medieval fantasy guy, never managed to go through more than 15 mins of star wars
no idea why
 
user784668
@AlexM. because it's a soap opera IN SPACE?
 
It's not a soap.
 
@Fanael tbh I think it's more about the sci-fi thing. it just doesn't appeal to me
the only sci-fi that does appeal somewhat is the stuff you find in Deus Ex
I think it's called cyberpunk
 
3:39 PM
(facepalm)
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Q: Tweaking with unassigned memory

user3541689I am trying to do following: char c[] = "programming"; char *p; *(c-1)='l'; *(c-2)='l'; *(c-3)='l'; *(c-4)='l'; *(c-5)='l'; p=&c[0]; cout<<*(c-1); This prints l only if I omit p=&c[0]; why is that so? There is no relation apparently between p and c.

 
yeah deus ex is totally awesome
 
user784668
@AlexM. well I dunno, don't like it either
 
love the idea of augmentations
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: ha, ha, -1.
 
3:43 PM
Someone downvoted LRIO UB answer:)
 
Good boy @Bartek. Now listen to Broken Crown Halo a couple of times.
@Fanael Why? :(
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't know, not me.
 
user784668
Wait what
 
user784668
What is Woolwich doing in the top 4?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol so Lacuna coil is a real band eh? they had a song in an old (and nice) RPG ... (vampires the masquerade... :P)
 
user784668
3:47 PM
@Scis Nope, they're imaginary.
 
@Fanael Good question, since they only have two teams and both are non-league
 
@Fanael come on, there are countless bands that have 1 song, some game or movie has it in the OST and that it
 
There are?
 
countless?
 
3:48 PM
I find it hard to imagine that there are uncountably infinite bands.
 
user784668
@DeadMG Yeah, like 0.
 
given a finite number of humans.
 
@DeadMG He didn't say uncountably infinite.
 
@Fanael That's not countless, that's a count of zero.
 
"countless" could imply all sorts of contributing factors. A low IQ, for example
@Scis It's ... pretty rare ...
 
3:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I guess you could argue that regular countable infinite is countless, but it's a such a bad wordplay that I decided to go straight to uncountably infinite.
 
@DeadMG hos did it go?
 
eh
 
@DeadMG Nope, infinity still has fuck all to do with anything here
 
coulda gone better but it didn't go too badly.
considering I just upped my dose it's not a shocker
I'm going to give it a couple days then go again
 
there are countless blades of grass in my garden. that's not because there are countably infinite or uncountably infinite of them. it's because I'd rather shoot myself than sit there counting them all.
 
3:50 PM
ok sounds good, happy for you here :)
 
well, they do still have a count, it's just that nobody wants to determine what that count is.
 
@Scis New album last month. A good one.
@DeadMG Yes. That's what I'm saying. In this context, "countless" doesn't mean "uncountable". It means nobody has procured a count. No count exists due to that.
 
so there are not countless blades of grass, you could argue that they're uncountable I guess.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Good to know :)
 
Doesn't mean one couldn't exist.
 
3:51 PM
a count must exist regardless of whether or not you have determined what that count is.
 
That's subjective and depends on what you mean by "count". By some definitions you are assuredly correct.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Okay. Not Woolwich, Dial Square.
 
unless you want to go down to QM, in which case the two are interrelated.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really?
 
but for macroscopic things like blades of grass or bands, that doesn't apply.
 
3:52 PM
In this case, "a count" means "a string of digits written on somebody's piece of paper which indicates the result of actually going and counting something". It does not exist here, because nobody has produced it.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Liar. April is very much this month.
 
@Fanael Not in my country.
(oops)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and although using this word was an OBVIOUS error, this is still not a good reason to question anyones IQ :P
 
@Fanael Why can't you just call it by its actual name?
 
so yes
 
3:53 PM
Anyway, doesn't matter. OP was wrong anyway.
 
now that I'm beginning to explore what amitriptyline can and cannot offer me, I must consider the other aspects of my future, like whether or not to attempt to finish my degree at a local university (eww) or find a job (also eww).
 
Sounds exactly like what a junkie would... not say.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, Dial Square is the real name, just ask Hull City A.F.C. supporters.
 
@Fanael Hull City Assholes Football Club?
 
user784668
@DeadMG Yes.
 
3:55 PM
@Fanael Because they're authoritative
@DeadMG Well I'm glad you're not just going to take benefits for ever
 
hmph
aside from anything else, it would not be financially feasible for me, because they pay a total pittance.
 
@DeadMG why not do both partially, so you have at least some variety
 
There's a fly in my flat
I don't quite know how it got in
 
but yes.
I figure that at the end of this month, I'll be asking my GP for one more medical certificate, and that will likely be the last one.
 
@Fanael Also, Arsenal haven't finished a season lower than 4th since 1996, so I don't see the problem
 
3:58 PM
@DeadMG also, I suppose you can't keep taking the drug forever...?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well, actually, I pretty much can.
 
@Scis That's not really how it works. You can't get out-of-work benefits and work.
 
and that's exactly what's going to happen, as near as I can tell.
 
@DeadMG o_O aren't there any side effects associated with long term use?
 
not really.
I'm on a comparatively minute dose anyway
 
4:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well I actually have done it for a year at a nice software company, the boss was really ok with me getting out whenever I wanted to as long as I did my job... I guess it just depends on the company
 
my GP said that people like me who develop severe IBS in their early 20s usually have it go away in late 20s/early 30s.
so I can expect to be on it for years.
 
So my old hard drives do seem to have died. Guess I need to grab all of Stargate again. Problem is I don't really remember what else was on them.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Didn't you watch that already?
 
hmm
is it worth re-grabbing Stargate Universe?
I recently grabbed all of SG1 and Atlantis but not Universe
 
@DeadMG are they now sure it's IBS?
 
4:03 PM
yep
 
@DeadMG YES
@R.MartinhoFernandes Many, many times
 
Wow, I didn't think you could enjoy that so much.
 
Xeo
sigh... will Oracle ever get rid of that stupid ticked-by-default Ask Toolbar installation?
 
no, cause ads
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm a hoarder
if I have an urge to watch some SG1/SGA/SGU over lunch, I am used to having that option to hand
 
4:08 PM
personally
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's not the hoarding.
 
what surprises me is that nobody has tried to reboot Stargate yet.
the only reason they had to cancel SGA and SGU was because MGM ran into unrelated financial trouble.
seems like making more Stargate or rebooting the series is money waiting to be made.
 
@DeadMG if the financial trouble caused MGM to have to cancel SGA and SGU, its not entirely unrelated then, is it?
 
@TonyTheLion They didn't have financial trouble because of SGA/SGU. They were still turning a profit.
they had to cancel SGA/SGU because they couldn't get a loan to produce them because their other divisions made a big loss.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The hoarding enables me
@TonyTheLion lol
 
4:11 PM
@DeadMG right
 
@DeadMG Stargate II is coming, that's why
 
FWIW, I'm a hoarder too (that reminds me I need to clean my room). Though I prefer buying the things (no judgments of value on your choice!) for hoarding purposes exclusively and don't watch them again.
I rewatched B5 some years ago, but that was it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thought all the Stargate films were cancelled?
 
user1804599
@Xeo why would they care?
 
@DeadMG The SG1/SGA films were cancelled
 
4:15 PM
ah I see on Wiki that Roland Emmerich is going to reboot the series.
 
user1804599
Dictionary comprehensions are beautiful.
 
so
i nearly got shouted at
because my 3DES crypto app offered 112 bit mode
 
@DeadMG That sounds horrible.
 
.why?
 
4:22 PM
Because Emmerich is horrible.
 
he did make the original Stargate film
 
He also produced a vast amount of crap, and let's be honest: Stargate is not a particularly great movie.
 
Xeo
wtf, the Wat talk video isn't loading for me :<
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I liked it. It wasn't amazing, but I liked it.
 
4:38 PM
@Xeo worksforme
 
Xeo
Yeah, apparently it's only me
 
eh fuck this uni
BTW
does anyone want to give me a code review?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yes: You suck.
hth
:P
 
@Xeo that was what the tutor told me today, tyvm
I need to change that
 
Xeo
But yeah, sorry, busy playing SpeedRunners
love that game
 
4:40 PM
i am mostly playing FTL these days
advanced edition content is super cool
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz sure.
 
@rightfold added you on BB
I am just refactoring some things
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least it spawned a p great franchise
 
putting the implementation behind an interface to make Bouncy Castle and .NET interchangeable
 
user1804599
Is it BSK?
 
4:46 PM
yep
 
user1804599
> public class BusinessLogic
 
user1804599
More descriptive names pl0x.
 
@DeadMG It's gonna suck
 
@rightfold gotta love that, huh? I am working on that very thing.
 
user1804599
4:47 PM
And BasicTests should obviously be written in Visual Basic.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you want to be shouted at for crypto code, I can do that :P
 
@CodesInChaos cool. Gimme your bitbucket account.
 
Your crypto code is broken
 
don't have one.
 
4:51 PM
At least in 3 different ways
 
@CodesInChaos aw. well I'd rather not make the thing public because it's an assignment I haven't turned in yet
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Yes, it's obvious, it's code.
 
@CatPlusPlus well I am using 3rd party implementations
 
You can add me :v
 
@CatPlusPlus done
 
4:52 PM
then the quick advice: 1) use a good mode 2) use a MAC 3) use a proper IV
 
I have to supply all the modes, I'm using a proper IV, and what's a MAC?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz If you don't know what's a MAC, don't go anywhere near crypto.
 
Authentication
 
@Fanael it's a goddamn assignment ok
 
Message authentication code. Else an active attack, including the padding oracle attack, can likely break it
 
4:54 PM
well i am not supposed to use that
during the crypting stage, i read the public keys of recipients and crypt the session key with them
i store n encrypted session keys with the key modulus of each of them (which might not be a very good idea now that I think about it)
 
so you have a key exchange as well?
 
user1804599
id is best encryption.
 
Use rot14 fight the system
 
@rightfold I prefer ROT26
 
4:56 PM
@DeadMG That's my point. He has a few not really amazing ones and then tons of crap.
 
> BasicTests passed
nice.
I need more of them
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus rot-π
 
user1804599
const 0 is best hash function.
 
user784668
@rightfold const 1 is better.
 
yay, saved all my Stargate
 
user1804599
4:58 PM
rand()
 
turns out the other stuff was all ten seasons of Smallville. I'd never have remembered that (which does kinda beg the question why do I need it back, but oh well)
 
Is Smallville good?
 

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