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12:00 AM
you have symptoms on the internet? just google them up and prescribe yourself morphine
 
@Jefffrey are you scared little kids are gonna take your jobs? :p
 
yes, terribly afraid tbh
or maybe I just feel insulted
 
we'll always have good old C++ ^_^
 
except when no one will use it anymore
just like people used to use assembly
 
all the hip kids are gonna be coding in unreal visual script :v
 
12:03 AM
@Jefffrey I meant "you have symptoms?", but my rage took over
oh gawd, the idea of making programming obligatory in school is such an idiotic idea...
I really hope they just mean: teaching it for those that wants to
 
12:16 AM
@Jefffrey 'making programming obligatory in school' - really? That's about the stupidest idea since I started working for Lord Haw-Haw, and that's pretty stupid.
 
I mean, 1% of the pupils will have already far exceeded the abilities of the teachers, and will just get bored and pissed-off with the stupid exercises, the other 99% will just resent the waste of their time.
 
> Type theory, automata theory, data structures, complexity theory, algorithms… that is computer science. Writing lines of Java is not.
I just became gay
for the next 10 minutes
 
@Jefffrey I'm not rising, (!), to starbait.
 
thanks
 
12:22 AM
Industry does not want programmers, they want software developers. Writing code is easy, it's the rest of the shit that's hard.
..as we see all to often on SO - 'programmers' who have no clue how to debug anything.
 
@DeadMG can't even debug his bowels!
 
I'm actually pretty sure my main concern is on the idea of forcing kids to learn programming
 
@melak47 I'm not going to discuss @DeadMG bowels at this time of night, I've got enough trouble with my own, (turbo-curry).
 
why do we need so many software developers?
 
@Jefffrey Forcing kids to learn anything is likely to be a waste of everyone's time.
@telkitty.exe Supply and demand.
 
12:26 AM
@MartinJames Yeah, I've actually based my high school thesis on something similar.
I'm pretty passionate about it too
 
so far that I know of software developers aren't paid all that well ...
 
@telkitty.exe I heard the opposite.
 
@telkitty.exe OK, maybe you have a vast private income and considerable wealth. The rest of us have to work :(
 
I don't ..
 
@Jefffrey 100% agree.
 
12:31 AM
You could actually say I'm too passionate about it because my experience in school has always been pretty terrible (except for friends and classmates). To the point where I think it's better to only enforce only 2 subjects (math and the national language), and possibly english.
The rest is something not everybody need to know.
Here they are doing the exact opposite of reducing obligatory subjects.
 
@Jefffrey When, (a long time ago:), I was at school, there was less structure and more autonomy re. attendance etc. I never turned up for 'religious education', or history lessons, but always turned up for maths, physics, chem, biology. On the few occasions when someone bothered to check up why I wasn't in history etc, I was in the common room doing homework or reading books on the subjects I was interested in. So, nobody bothered. Worked for all of us.
 
@MartinJames What kind of school?
I mean, at what age?
 
@Jefffrey 11-15
 
You see? The problem is that people don't realize (at least here) that young people can actually decide what they are interested in even before being an "adult" (21 yo).
 
What's the point in forcing kids to turn up for boring shit they aren't interested in if they can better spend the time on reading up and studying stuff that turns them on?
 
12:40 AM
So they just say: "Well, fuck it. Let's enforce a little bit of everything so that when they'll be adults they will have the base for everything they will need"
 
@Jefffrey OK, but that just fucks up the kids who already know their base.
 
Yup, that's exactly my point.
 
@Jefffrey OMG I'm agreeing with someone in the Lounge again. I must drink less beer:)
 
he he ;)
I should go to sleep. Good night everybody
 
Me too. BFN!
 
1:08 AM
what happens in two's compliment with the number 0? That question just randomly came to mind
 
1:26 AM
@MartinJames Well, maybe I should clarify - I was once sitting next to an algo trading team half of whose bonus were rumored to be half million or more per year. The other algo trading team I know of (which I was a part when it first started) consists a few of my friends at one stage was rumored to have crashed chicago stock exchange once or twice ... that's way after I have left the project.
One of the people who did B.E & B.Com and in the same year who I used to see quite often on campus because we had a lot of subject in common sold companies for multiple millions. my uni friends thesis supervisors sold his for a couple of times more than that. These are what I call "high income earners".
Then I have a couple of friends who were senior managers in fortune 500 companies back in their 20's, also a couple of relatives who are CEOs of companies with a couple of hundred to a couple of thousand peoples - they get paid well, but they are not super rich IMO.
I myself is a typical 'loser', not because my intelligence or knowledge - my education was nearly perfect IMO. I didn't go to private school - but I had a couple of degrees in a couple different disciplines and educated in 4 countries (not planned, just happened). But because my personality - I like to try new things. I probably will never succeed.
But hey it was fun - I traded shares, invested/helping invested in property market, had 9 professional jobs, is an amateur rental real estate agent, had apps on iphone/android and windows phone (all developed in their native languages), on top of that I hike/bushwalk, ocean swims, dives, playing a couple of sports or at least used to but could do none too well.
I think life has treated me well, this world is like a giant play ground. While people try to excel in one thing, I simultaneously fail at many other things :D Life is awesome ^_^
 
1:40 AM
Tonight it's Talkitty :P
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^_^
talkitty not tallkitty ... I could be lengthy :p
 
 
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4:00 AM
To be fair, my job at NASA was working on robots and didn't actually involve any orbital mechanics. The small positive slope over that period is because it turns out that if you hang around at NASA, you get in a lot of conversations about space.
5
 
I forgot Randall worked at NASA
 
the author of xkcd
 
he used to be a contract worker for robotics at NASA
 
5:18 AM
@Rapptz I never knew he did that
morning all
 
5:33 AM
if you move a vector (or any container) out, then the original object will be an empty container (like a default constructed one) right?
 
> Objects of types defined in the C++ standard library may be moved from (12.8). Move operations may be explicitly specified or implicitly generated. Unless otherwise specified, such moved-from objects shall be placed in a valid but unspecified state.
 
that's kinda vague
valid but unspecified.
so it may contain something.
 
5:53 AM
> main.cpp:98:10: error: private field 'padding' is not used [-Werror,-Wunused-private-field]
Damn you.
 
6:05 AM
> -Wunused-private-field
 
6:23 AM
@StackedCrooked Previous content may still be present -- especially likely for things like std::array or a std::string with short-string optimization, where you end up having to copy the content in any case.
 
If I intend to reuse the move-from object I should use clear then.
Perhaps obj = T(); would be a safer general approach.
..which also triggers a move constructor assignment
:)
 
@TonyTheLion Poor Private Field. If only he'd gone to college so he could be Lieutenant Field instead he wouldn't get abused so much.
 
maybe he was lucky that he wasn't "used"..
 
@telkitty.exe Well, I've seen question-dumps, but that's the first bio-dump I've seen in the Lounge. Was I out of order somewhere to provoke that? If so, sorry...
 
Most implementations in practice just swap pointers
 
6:42 AM
@MartinJames I am more calculating than that :p I say things because I want to say them, kind of like asking questions on meta ... after learning the basics, I am timing my questions/answers so I don't get banned @_@ </troll>
 
@JerryCoffin hahahah
@telkitty.exe So what motivates you to troll?
 
entertain the bored mass & hiding your true identity on the internet :p
 
7:08 AM
hi
 
Who says "we're" bored?
 
@TonyTheLion telkitty does? :p
 
@jalf lo
@jalf meh
 
@TonyTheLion yo
 
@jalf sup?
 
7:09 AM
@TonyTheLion ahoy
ugh
this is not the way I wanted to spend my last day before vacation
troubleshooting why kerberos stopped working
 
@telkitty.exe Maybe.. :)
 
fuck
Looks like I need to find an old test server. I don't know where it is, and I don't even know if it is virtual or physical
this is gonna be fun
 
Xeo
just take today off :D
 
7:34 AM
@jalf kerberos seems to give you a lot of a trouble
not making me want to ever deal with it
 
@TonyTheLion that's what it does best, yes
this time though, the cause seems to be pretty simple
Someone turned off the friggin' server
I just need to find it now
 
Xeo
lol
 
which would be easier if it was named something like importantkerberosserver or some such. And not backendtest1. :(
 
Xeo
@jalf Maybe the cleaner?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion -Wvirgin
 
user1804599
7:42 AM
s/private/pubic/
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit was that directed at me?
@Jefffrey IKR
hi @rightfold
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
> Agile and Scalable
 
user1804599
I'd say s/A/Fra/.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz HI BRATYK
 
7:54 AM
I need a name for a thing
 
Xeo
'thing'
 
Assume you're a part of a young, dynamic, agile team working on a cutting-edge software project in a game industry.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz "hipster"
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz i.e., dreamer?
 
How do you call a meeting that happens before anything ever gets done, which is not a part of the scrum cycle?
 
user1804599
7:56 AM
Nonsense.
 
@Xeo actually, that's going to be my BEng project :P
@rightfold Nice. I like that.
 
user1804599
It depends on what you discuss at said meeting.
 
The meeting is supposed to have beer in the agenda.
 
user1804599
"Polish"
 
@rightfold What shit needs to be done and who does which shit.
(crudely)
 
user1804599
7:57 AM
A planning meeting.
 
Too waterfall
I need it to be more zing and more agile
more 2.0
 
user1804599
Extreme Galactic Meeting 3000
 
oh, that's nice. like XP.
> We're doing XP at work and discuss it at eXtreme meetings.
 
user1804599
Just call it a planning meeting or w/e.
 
user1804599
Be clear, not buzzwordy.
 
7:59 AM
Nah, I want it buzzwordy.
 
user1804599
Then you suck.
 
Gotta get a proper mindset, y'know.
 
user1804599
Confusion is the mother of all fuckups.
 
Well, we're greatly ahead of schedule on that one anyway
 
Xeo
Hm. There's a 'Donauwelle' cake in our kitchen, and nobody knows who brought it.
 
8:02 AM
technically our BEng starts October, 1st
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Be aware of the dangers of that.
 
user1804599
Don't slack off.
 
user1804599
Stay ahead of schedule.
 
this is so hilariously stupid
 
Xeo
Can't find your server?
 
8:09 AM
@Xeo no fucking clue where it is
 
Xeo
Maybe somebody stole it?
 
IIRC it used to be just a random PC that someone installed some stuff on. Then it got promoted to a sort of test server because suddenly someone had installed something important on it
@Xeo If people were going to start stealing servers, I think they could do better than that one, tbh
but it's been living a sort of anonymous existence for the last year or two
 
Xeo
Underground server
 
I suspect someone just forgot that it was important, and decided that "hey, there's an old pc that's doing nothing important. We can use that!", and reformatted it
 
Xeo
It was afraid you'd smash it in rage against Kerberos, probably
 
8:11 AM
The best part though:
it's not my problem! I've got 3 weeks vacation, starting tomorrow!
 
Xeo
haha
it will be your problem, in 3 weeks :P
 
user1804599
Hmm, vacation.
 
@jalf what are your grand plans for the vacation (taking 3 weeks)
 
user1804599
I still have five weeks of vacation to plan in.
 
Xeo
Oh right, Friday is a holiday, I forgot.
and Monday too
 
user1804599
8:12 AM
I'm free on Monday because of Easter.
 
Xeo
awesome
 
user1804599
Not on Friday, though.
 
@Xeo nah, that's the nice thing. Its absence means you can't log in against our main test server. We're only 2 devs in the office today though, and none of us urgently need it. But next week, when most people are back from easter stuff, they'll need to be able to log in :p
which means they'll have to find this damn server
 
Xeo
haha
 
@jalf woo
@Xeo not here apparently :/
@rightfold that's the plan. Anyway 3/4 of people are going to Extreme Galactic Meeting 3000 already.
 
user1804599
8:15 AM
Hmm.
 
user1804599
Apparently my estimations were good.
 
user1804599
2d6h15m done of this sprint, and the sixth hour of the third day yet has to come.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Why not 1 of people?
 
morning
 
mawnin
 
8:20 AM
@DeadMG howdy
 
user1804599
Note to self: execute rake dist before deploying. :F
 
user1804599
I should fully automate deployment.
 
@rightfold because the 4th one is apparently not online on fb now
Also someone (not me) asked about monad on the biggest Polish facebook Javascript group
imagine the shitstorm
 
user1804599
:D
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
8:28 AM
Monday we told the customer "in three weeks" and we'll be done in about five days from now. :v
 
user1804599
Overestimations suck.
 
user1804599
Oh well, happy customer is good customer.
 
8:44 AM
ohm @Ell created a GH page
I haven't seen him around lately
 
he said he'd be off for a few months
 
user1804599
I want a vegetable pie.
 
@ScarletAmaranth ah right
@rightfold hmpfh I thought Natalia is the only person I know that would stuff with a carrot cake
 
user1804599
Is there a word for web pages that are not linked to by any other web pages?
 
user1804599
I need to implement a feature that lists these but I don't know what to call it.
 
8:51 AM
there you go
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold by... linking to them?
 
user1804599
@jalf No. Only listing them and links to their edit pages in the admin interface. :P
 
user1804599
To the outside world they are not known about at all.
 
@rightfold undernet? Dark internet?
 
user1804599
8:53 AM
I was thinking about "unlinked pages" but that may be unclear to users.
 
hm not dark internet
"deep web" could be closer
 
Xeo
@rightfold Hidden? Private?
 
The Deep Web (also called the Deepnet, Invisible Web, or Hidden Web) is World Wide Web content that is not part of the Surface Web, which is indexed by standard search engines. It should not be confused with the dark Internet, the computers that can no longer be reached via the Internet, or with a Darknet distributed filesharing network, which could be classified as a smaller part of the Deep Web. There is concern that the deep web can be used for serious criminal activity. Mike Bergman, founder of BrightPlanet and credited with coining the phrase, Most of the Web's information is burie...
it's pretty cool when you think about it
there are just random servers serving HTTP on random ports
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz I think that is even more confusing to users. XD
 
and they serve treasures
@rightfold then go with "unlinked", that was the first thing I thought about
 
user1804599
8:55 AM
Okay. :3
 
@rightfold orphaned? Unknown? Lost in space and time?
 
user1804599
I was thinking about "orphaned."
 
user1804599
But "weespagina's" in Dutch sounds so dumb. :P
 
... so you're looking for dutch terms for it?
it hardly matters what such pages would be called in english then, does it? :p
 
user1804599
The admin interface is in English, Dutch, German and French. :v
 

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