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10:00 PM
@ThePhD swim in it!
 
@sehe "audition the candidate keys"? :) (I am a sucker for Mozart and Chopin, whatever by them will make me happy btw :P)
 
user3010322
Because unfortunately for you, you're accruing a resource that could be useful to other people doing things that matter.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey If you do not want to hear other people's opinion on your goals, why tell them to other people?
 
user3010322
Looking and masturbating that you have the largest pile of stuff is not productive.
 
user3010322
Welcome to the real world, where shit is finite.
 
10:01 PM
@sbi do you think it is me that wants to "just be rich" or are you addressing a generic person in that sentence?
I have an answer for both branches of the if-else statement above
be scared!
 
@ScarletAmaranth ask for Chopin on a digital keyboard. Mozart will always reveal the cardboard by being "everything out in the open".
Mozart is oft considered (far) more challenging/revealing to play than say, Rachmaninoff. (Of course, real masters can be distinguised in either of the two, but medium talents are much more easily exposed in a Mozart, it's just unforgiving)
 
why hello old friends.
 
@sehe huh, I thought Rachmaninoffs 12-wide chords are among the most difficult stuffs to play... well, I first need to get the joint thing "sorted" before I actually spend quite a bit of money
 
@ScarletAmaranth I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the challenge to make Mozart sound "perfect". If you can play the notes of a Rachmaninoff, people will already be impressed. If you play a Mozart sonata "so-so" people will kill themselves in boredom
@CatPlusPlus Wow. He wins the game jam :-0
 
There are more entries on 7drl.org
(Also why I wanted our jam to be much longer than sub-day: effects are much more impressive)
 
10:11 PM
@sehe I see, thanks, I do remember your super-human almost-perfect hearing pitch ears so I do value your opinion :)
 
I think it was at the start of january 2012 when we had that conversation? And maybe later a sort of half-repeat (with Mysticial also there)
 
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@CatPlusPlus It also helps in this way because -- as you can see -- a lot of people aren't here or can't participate today for various reasons.
 
I'm busy doing code review
 
Live and up close in person
 
user3010322
Sohaving 7 days means you can do regular shit interleaved with off-time programming, allocated as you want.
 
10:13 PM
Also got kinda "ugh" at all the rules bickering
 
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._.
 
@sehe yeah it has indeed been a while, I got to hear some of your moonlight sonata then IIRC
 
@jimbo999 Welcome to C++ where user defined have value semantics. Use smart-pointers for anything else. Storing pointers in containers is rarer and most useful for (virtual) polymorphism. Which is already rarer in C++ too. — sehe 4 secs ago
@ScarletAmaranth Ah. Then I've possibly switched the dates, and you were in the "later" conversation
 
@sehe yeah that may be it, I remember your linking an answer to the question I was only about to ask... (perfect hearing pitch thing :))
I am very impressed one can kinda "learn" it, to an extent (to great extents it seems)
 
Start young is key, as with any acquired skill
 
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10:18 PM
Nymphgon
 
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Sounds about right.
 
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@sehe What if you're already an old foogey? :c
 
kids aren't good at making decisions for themselves, I wish I was like: I want to play piano, parents! when I was 4 :P
 
@ThePhD You're either a sad old screwed foogey, or you're wise enough to know what matters
 
but, I wasn't.... :)
 
user3010322
10:19 PM
;~;
 
@ScarletAmaranth I was
 
And?
What happened?
 
I was, "I want to play the guitar or the drums, parents!"
mum was "yeah, do it yourself then."
 
that's impressive
 
because she wanted me to play the piano
and wouldn't want to support me
if I didn't want that
so in the end I didn't study any instrument :D
'cept for the computer keyboard
 
user3010322
10:22 PM
My Mother wanted me to do any kind of instrument.
 
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I tried drums, violin, and piano.
 
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Failed miserably at a point at all three because I could not read sheet music for the life of me.
 
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I always played everything by mimicking sound.
 
> // OK, stop reading here, because it's getting obscene. Cross fingers! lol
 
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In the end, for an audition for a melodic drum of some kind (I forgot which, starts with a T), I was busted for not being able to read sheet music.
 
user3010322
10:23 PM
And thusly I was sent away in shame.
 
my parents didn't "want" me to play anything, kinda sad :( I mean, they weren't opposed to it, they just, somehow, didn't... I picked up guitar when I was old enough to make such decisions with some reasoning behind them (~12ish?)
 
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My mother really wanted musical children.
 
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But alas.
 
@AlexM. should have taken the piano. I mean, you get 80% of the required skills for other instruments. Reading, hearing, time keeping, phrasing, imagination, interpretation, stamina, eye-hand etc.
 
that's hard to explain to a kid
my mom wanted me to play the piano because she found it to be awesome
that's about it
 
10:25 PM
@ThePhD Hey, you were musical, or you wouldn't have been able to "fake it" by mimicking the sound. And it wouldn't have been any fun :)
@AlexM. I know. It's just... true :|
 
I sort of have to make up for everything my parents didn't allow me to do as a kid
they were never able to draw a line between what I liked and what they liked
 
wanting to get a lot of money to buy a lot of crap is probably a direct consequence of their behavior
because I was denied any form of fun that cost them money
and they saw as being "useless"
 
that said, one's ability to acquire skill of any sort is not limited to age 4 to 10 (but it sure helps)... I want to learn piano because why not, vOv, in spite of my elderly age of 20
 
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@CatPlusPlus You murderer! D:
 
10:27 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I didn't "want" my kids to play anything. I expressly wanted them to "want" something. So I waited. And waited some more. Because kids, they just want to do everything and chosing is not a skill they have.
But in the end, a momentum happened and we'd catch them accidentally dispensing preference in an unguarded moment. It's really funny how that works
 
@ThePhD Ghosts are automatic :v
 
@AlexM. You know that's pretty much impossible, right. I mean, great parents /try/
 
I dunno, I'm not a parent yet :D
 
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@CatPlusPlus So you're a mean, lean, transparent killing machine and there's nothing you can do to change it?
 
@sehe what did they end up having preference for :)?
 
user3010322
10:29 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Not cleaning their rooms. <_>
 
user3010322
(Just a guess)
 
Everyone who plays online is subjected to cruelty of everyone who died online
 
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@CatPlusPlus That's pretty harsh.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I'm more and more inclined to think it's much more about patience. Children have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more patience to stay "stuck" in the "I suck at this" stage but not care (because "Look, I'm holding a violin!")
 
You roll a die every time you enter a level, and there might be a ghost of one of players that died on that level
You can ignore ghosts, though
Just run away and don't look back :v
That SpEn wasn't even my strongest character
 
10:30 PM
@ScarletAmaranth The eldest picked flute, the youngest somehow at some point said "when am I starting my violin lessons?". Till then it had been between football, dancing and drums.
 
dobrazupa.org/morgue/CatPlusPlus/… this might be a pretty fun ghost
Also, there's a chance you get your own ghost, which makes dying to that ghost double funny
 
user3010322
So the premise is that the farther you get, the less ghosts you'll see
 
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but the more likely it is the ghost will be beserk-fuck-shit strong?
 
You only get one per level max
 
@ThePhD fewer*
 
user3010322
10:31 PM
@ScarletAmaranth less few*
 
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:3c
 
But yeah the further you go, the stronger the ghosts will probably be
But otoh you will be pretty strong too
 
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@CatPlusPlus P. cool mechanic
 
I blasted like 3 ghosts on that character
 
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It's like invaders from Dark Souls except more balanced.
 
10:32 PM
@sehe being persistent is also a skill! :)
 
Play Crawl. Crawl hates you and wants you to die. Crawl is great.
 
user3010322
But.
 
user3010322
But but but... :c
 
user3010322
I don't want to die. ;~;
 
guys, how to initialize 2d vector (35 rows, 88 columns) to zero? I tried
`std::vector<double, std::vector<double>> vec(35, std::vector<double>(88)) {};`
 
user3010322
10:38 PM
Lmao.
 
user3010322
Well, I see you improved over double**
 
:)
 
user3010322
std::vector<std::vector<double>>
 
user3010322
Is how you'd declare a vector containing something else, in this case another vector of doubles.
 
@ThePhD, thanks! but can we initialize it to zero, like v(..) { } for 1d vector?
 
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10:42 PM
@Annie You were on teh right track.
 
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I'm not sure what that {} is doing hanging out at hte end, thugh.
 
@ScarletAmaranth which is why I listed as "stamina" in the list of "80% generic skills" earlier
 
user3010322
Piano is fucking hard. ._.
 
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I actually preferred the violin over the piano.
 
10:43 PM
@ThePhD No. That's forte
 
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@sehe Zing!
 
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I see what you did there.
 
lol I don't know what I did, but my titlebar text looks japanese/korean/chinese
 
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@melak47 Kinky.
 
@ThePhD I did too. But violin is more maintenance-intensive. I hardly play it these days. I still can, though.
 
10:44 PM
first I thought maybe my string was broken, but even if I pass a literal....
whatever
no time for this crap! :p
 
user3010322
@melak47 What function are you using to pass the literal?
 
CreateWindowEx...?
 
user3010322
ExW ?
 
user3010322
Gotta be dat unicode, man.
 
well, yeah
 
10:44 PM
@ScarletAmaranth But yeah, maybe the "persistance" and "intelligent study" parts are the most important things to acquire at a young age.
 
tried A first
same thing
 
user3010322
Huh. I'd like to look at that to help, but maybe later.
 
switched to W because I figured I somehow messed up the code page or whatever
 
user3010322
Don't got time for that shit!
 
@melak47 virus
 
10:45 PM
@ThePhD yeah exactly. probably more interesting than the title I would have given it anyway! :D
 
user3010322
@rightfold gave me an idea
 
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So I'm basically going to take his idea and combine it with my old one and then mix it all together.
 
I hope it's nothing lewd :E
 
lol
 
@melak47 Liar
 
10:57 PM
@sehe intelligent study?
 
every time I get too bored of gamedev and want to switch to business apps, I remember about factories of proxies of interfaces and then my job becomes fun again
 
So, who's jamming anyway
 
user3010322
I am
 
you don't count
 
user3010322
I count for me. <3
 
11:12 PM
> GraphicsGale supports only Japanese and English officially, but the version 2.x has supported external language files. We expect you to translate in other language.
lol wtf
 
at least they're honest
 
lol
 
11:30 PM
I want to make a website for my professional career... but I have no idea what to include on it... :\
 
user1804599
@PeterSchneider §17.4.3.1.1 does, as I mentioned in the answer. — rightfold 5 secs ago
 
user1804599
Or do I not understand what the guy means? :S
 
Oh man, I'm not sure I want to try this
hallucinations can be scary if you have a weird ego
 
user1804599
Also lol I got reversal on that question.
 
user1804599
@ThePhD sauce is here.
 
11:42 PM
@rightfold why is code in an HDTV stream file format?
 
user1804599
Because it is a TypeScript source file.
 
lol VLC tried to open it
 
user1804599
lol
 
I've casted my first delete vote on an answer
 
dat... dat... dat... flatline
 
11:51 PM
I'm not a answer's delete vote virgin anymore!
 

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