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Xeo
9:00 PM
Should we reopen Lounge<Teen Drama>?
 
user3010322
u.u;
 
user3010322
No, you don't need to. I'll just figure something out.
 
Get a mandoline. Don't care for thinly sliced things? You will.
 
Let's crowdfund a ticket to another state for ThePhD
 
I pledge $0
 
sbi
9:02 PM
@ThePhD If you can't think of something you would want to have that she can give you, you should probably think what she would like to give to you. What's she interested in? What does she keep telling you you should do/learn/use? (It's a she, so she does, right?)
IME, if a woman asks you what you want, there's always the minefield of Actually-I-want-you-to-want-what-I-want waiting for you to stumble into.
@CatPlusPlus State of mind?
 
He's worse than me sometimes I swear
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Impossibru!
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus We can gauge that if both of you show up on June 7th
 
No, seriously, how much money do you need to go there and see her and stop obsessing, because I will unironically sponsor this trip for you
 
sbi
@TomW Actually, what you need for this is a good Santoku knife and a little bit of practice. In the last half a decade I found that there's few things I need to get cut in the kitchen that I can do better than by using my Santoku.
 
Xeo
9:04 PM
lol
 
user3010322
u.u I'm not obsessing. D:
 
hmmmmhhh
 
user3010322
I'm just trying to not do the wrong thing. Or the least wrong thing.
 
I smell young love
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus You know he hates receiving gifts
 
user3010322
9:05 PM
Which I have a propensity to do.
 
where is the smell coming from
 
sbi
@ThePhD Isn't Japanese the language where you sound awkward when you learned it from the wrong sex?
 
@sbi so da
 
sbi
@AlexM. Usually off young people.
 
Xeo
@sbi Kinda, if you haven't really learned it, but just picked up stuff here and there
 
user3010322
9:06 PM
@sbi Yes. An example is when I was running around saying "Watashiwa", when the 'proper' way to say "I am" for a male is "Bokuwo" or "Bokune"
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Da as in Russian??
 
Xeo
@ThePhD 'proper', in quotes, because 'watashi' is the formal 'I'
 
@sbi da makes stuff sound masculine in Japanese AFAIK :)
 
afaik 'da' is shorthand for 'desu'
 
Xeo
The informal is mostly 'ore', while 'boku' is more for kids
 
9:07 PM
and is accepted to be said by both sexes
and is informal
 
sbi
@ThePhD Then trying to look at it from her perspective might be the best advice.
 
if you want to go uber formal just go with "gozaru"
(not like anybody uses it anymore)
 
@sbi I have reasonably decent knife technique, and a shitty knife. The mandoline slices so thinly that I can't see the edge. I can't possibly gauge a thickness I can't see using a knife, however good it is
 
or you know just say stuff like
 
user3010322
@Xeo Not only do I hate receiving gifts, but I love giving them out. It's a horrible inconsistency in my personality that will probably drive other people crazy.
 
9:08 PM
baka hentai uguu~
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Ah. As @Abyx will confirm, it means "yes" in Russian.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. it's not a short hand, it's the informal form IIRC
 
@sbi ja znaju...
 
@sbi yep.
 
(I am a slav)
 
Xeo
9:09 PM
s/v/ve/
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Tui znayesh? (I don't know how to write this in English.)
@ScarletAmaranth Oh. Where're you from?
 
@sbi ah, right, y, not j
I am from Slovakia
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Ah. Never been there, I think. (Except when it was part of CS, as I've been to the Czech part.)
 
@sbi you're not missing out on much to be honest
the only thing that's kinda worth seeing is St. Elizabeth's Cathedral
 
Code review is tedious and unfun
 
sbi
9:13 PM
@TomW I'm not that good with a knife, but there's certainly people who are. And now that I think of, there was a time I was regularly asked to slice the garlic for the meal, because I did it thin enough that you could almost look through. If I would practice a bit I could probably do that with carrots, too.
@ScarletAmaranth Where's that?
 
@sbi Slovakia, Košice
it is very impressive even for Paris / Prague / Whatever standards
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Pardon my ignorance, but in my ears, "Košice" sounds like every other place in Slovakia could be named.
 
@ScarletAmaranth that looks neat
 
@sbi teeheeheee, it's in eastern Slovakia... also, that building is as far as I know the east-most Gothic-style building in the world
 
@sbi that sounds good. I suggest taking at least at much time normalizing/recalibrating as that you've spent in overdrive mode. Maybe you already are doing this :)
 
9:16 PM
@AlexM. yup, the interior is pretty awesome as well, very impressive
 
sbi
@sehe Where would I take the necessary decade from???
@ScarletAmaranth It certainly looks very impressive. So Košice is in the east, huh? I should consult a map...
 
@sbi Wait. I thought this had been 10, 14 months tops?
Where does the time go?
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, that is just this latest thing. I have mostly been in overdrive for about a decade, though. :(
 
we don't have a lot of imposing buildings in Romania
but we do have a lot of old fortresses
 
@sbi Okay, then let the future supply tentative decades until the resultants converge
 
sbi
9:19 PM
@AlexM. Ha, that ramp looks like something my kids would do in Lego.
 
@AlexM. I've been to Romania, some of the nature and count Dracula stuff is pretty awesome
 
sbi
@sehe I would, if I could figure out a way to pay the bills why I relax.
 
@ScarletAmaranth yeah Romania is a pretty amazing country
if you forget there are people in it
 
@sbi Well, you know. RSS can help you find the interesting parts. So that's a net win. When I was 'off the grid' begin 2013 I had an RSS feed based on a search. You could have chat.stackoverflow.com/feeds/search/ape, e.g.
 
well, from what I saw, the country is in a similar-to-Slovakia condition, that is: pretty fucked up
 
9:21 PM
eyup
 
@sbi I'm not saying to do absolutely nothing. That wouldn't make you happy anyways
 
@AlexM. According to Top Gear U.K. Romania has one of the best (fun) road to drive on iirc
 
sbi
> there are days I'm really happy with the grumpy bastards of my community for NEVER even hinting at my gender even in serious fights. #perl — Su-Shee
 
@Borgleader yeah that's the Transfagarasan
The Transfăgărășan (trans (over, across) + FăgăraÈ™) or DN7C is the second-highest paved road in Romania. Also known as Ceausescu's Folly, it was built as a strategic military route, the 90 km of twists and turns run north to south across the tallest sections of the Southern Carpathians, between the highest peak in the country, Moldoveanu, and the second highest, Negoiu. The road connects the historic regions of Transylvania and Wallachia, and the cities of Sibiu and PiteÈ™ti. History The road was constructed between 1970 and 1974, during the rule of Nicolae CeauÈ™escu. It came as ...
 
9:22 PM
needless to say, Slovakia I shall flee either very soon (3 months) or kinda soon (2 years 3 months), depending on how much I want my masters
 
@sbi Oh well. Save you the search :)
 
sbi
@sehe It's just that what I currently like most (like digging through the garden) won't pay the bills.
 
@sbi When will people find out that people don't give a shit about your gender?
 
@sbi I take it you're not out of a job? Or did I miss something crucial?
 
@ScarletAmaranth I'm fine with living in Romania for a while; I want to visit as many places as possible until I turn 40 and then build a house in the country I liked the most
 
sbi
9:23 PM
@Rapptz When will you find out that this, while right in theory, is not what we are made for?
 
What? "made for"?
 
sbi
@sehe I do have a darn good job at an incredibly great company.
 
:D Good to hear
 
@AlexM. I wish I shared your love for 'your' country... would save me the hassle of moving :)
 
@AlexM. Hehehe. I would have laughed squarely at you, if you were the Kitty. But - hey, you sound like you could actually mean business (until you find some significant other or so)
@ScarletAmaranth motivation for moving requires hate or repulsion, IMO
 
9:25 PM
I won't deny I might find a SO but right now I'm doing a great job at keeping myself on track and concentrated on my work
 
@sehe to what extent does one use the joint that's second from the tip of the left thumb (the one closer to the palm) while playing piano :P?
 
sbi
@Rapptz You cannot forget someone's gender. Ever. You will never approach a man the same way you approach a woman. That's just how we are made. Of course, we can suppress that and be civil, like we do in other cases. But we can never "not give a shit" about it.
 
basically, having the goal of making more money and buying more stuff
 
@AlexM. ewww
 
@sbi except on the internet. It works for me.
 
9:26 PM
It's a good thing I don't care at all about gender then.
 
@ScarletAmaranth wut, it's a good goal
I will need the money to visit places and finally move
 
sbi
@AlexM. Nope. "Making money" is about as stupid as goals come.
 
shrug I dunno
 
@sbi highfive
 
I would have put my personal projects first trying to sound more noble
but even those cost me money
 
sbi
9:28 PM
@AlexM. Then your goal should be "visiting places". If that takes money, so go and get that necessary implement. But "making money" as a goal in itself is really, really dumb.
 
doesn't making money then become a primary goal in the short term?
 
sbi
@AlexM. For many people it does. (That's where the "dumb" comes ins.)
 
I dunno how dumb it is man, it all looks like trying to hide the most important bit
having money is a precondition for all subgoals
 
@sbi he means: if my goal is "visiting places" -> it requires "money" -> my goal is "money"
with -> being "then"
 
sbi
@AlexM. So you think making money is the most important bit? Uh oh. It's worse with you than I thought up to now.
 
9:30 PM
money can be an intermediate goal
 
depending on the sum of money you have you can branch out with other subgoals
 
but it would be silly as an end goal
 
the more money you have, the more you can branch out
 
I think no one debates that.
 
i.e. the more subgoals you can come up with
making more money is essentially building up fuel reserves for other goals, sort of like keeping them alive
I think that's important enough
 
9:32 PM
^ what he said
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Yeah, that's what it becomes with many people. "My goal is X, and X needs money", so their goal becomes money and they forget that money (aka "wealth") is but a tool, needed (among other things) to achieve their goals. And wealth becomes the goal in itself, pushing out all the other goals.
 
Xeo
money as an endgoal? now that sounds like the most unfun thing ever
 
There are motivators and demotivators. Enough money is the amount that allows you to see off the demotivators
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I do.
 
@sbi that holds true only if you don't spend money at all
 
9:33 PM
But yeah, money as a goal is not dumb at all. If you don't have other goals, making money is the best way to assure that whatever goal you'll later have, you'll be able to achieve it.
 
sbi
@AlexM. For most people it goes like this: The more money you have, the more you must have worked for it. The less you had time to pursue your actual goals.
 
e.g. one of my demotivators is that my house sucks. While that's true, I don't earn enough money
 
And by "goal" I mean something else than: eat, drink, fuck, poop, piss
 
user3010322
But if the goal of making money consumes you, I can guarantee you'll almost never see the "other goal" you're hoping falls across your lap.
 
sbi
@AlexM. Non sequitur.
 
9:34 PM
@ThePhD Make money to make money is a perfectly valid goal.
and money is nothing special really
 
sbi
@Jefffrey If you don't have other goals than making money, you're a poor person, and you have my sympathy.
 
making wooden statues for the sake of making wooden statues is ok, but making money for the sake of making money is not?
and yes, making money is an art
 
@sbi that really sounds like some sort of movie cliche, sorry; or maybe I'm crazy and I can't picture someone making money w/o wanting to spend them
the moment I have enough money to do X, I do X
 
^
 
If doing that makes you happy, that is to say, you gain real satisfaction from it, go for it
 
9:35 PM
also ^
 
I doubt there are many people for whom that is genuinely true
 
@ScarletAmaranth much. E.g. I've just studied the piano part for the four Dvorak romantic pieces and I wouldn't know how one would think to achieve it without ful thumb mobility
 
@sehe thanks :)
 
? confuzzled here
 
I was thinking of buying a stage piano of sorts, but my thumb joint is kinda fucked, so I am... in doubts :)
 
sbi
9:37 PM
@AlexM. Have you actually considered that pursuing X takes more than money? Visiting places is not just about the money you have. You also have to be comfortable to travel a lot, not be home, learn to know different cultures, be open to what you see, speak a furrin language... – money is just one thing you need. The others, if you lack them, are probably much harder to gain. So why do you concentrate on that single one?
 
guys, what is the term for this kind of matrix:

7 3 9 4 5
7 3 9 4 0
7 3 9 0 0
7 3 0 0 0
7 0 0 0 0
 
@ScarletAmaranth Oh, it /does/ depend on what you are playing of course
 
@sbi speaks the truth.
 
Xeo
@Annie an 'offtopic' matrix
3
 
Zing
 
9:38 PM
@sbi because if you have all the other ones but not the money you won't travel
 
@Annie triangular matrix
 
@sehe well, I just don't want to get to a point where I'll be able to do something slightly more advanced and hit a... "physiological barrier" :)
 
You can pay people to hand you those things. Your satisfaction with them depends on how well equipped you are to receive them
 
sbi
@Jefffrey If you have all of those, including money, except for one of the other, you won't travel either.
 
@Rapptz, thanks!
 
9:39 PM
@sbi because it's the hardest to get in my case?
 
@ScarletAmaranth I don't think they come that predictable. I know a few people how should really be considered full blown handicapped and can still play what they want and nobody would notice
 
@sbi arguable
 
further, the more you keep your goal idling, the more probable it is you'll lose interest in it
and there's no easier way to keep a goal sitting idle than not having money for it
 
given an vector, can we make upper diagonal matrix in O(n); to form double** (2d array of double)?
 
sbi
@AlexM. Nope. If you lack the mental buildup to deal with widely varying cultures, then that is much harder (if not plain impossible) to get. Getting money is much easier.
 
9:41 PM
@sbi "... for me."
 
@sehe mm, my joint thing is pretty minor, I didn't notice until I was ~16, it's all nice and dandy till I want to bend it towards my palm, it gets stuck at ... say 40degrees :) (unlike my "mirror" joint which goes like 90 that I assume to be the norm )
 
@sbi alright, I agree with that
 
sbi
@Jefffrey If so far you lacked the money to travel, how would you know?
 
is it supposed to make me going for the money first be wrong though?
 
@sbi exactly because I lack the money to travel, that I know
 
9:42 PM
as in, me, a particular case
 
sbi
@AlexM. You said your goal in life is making money. That was what I objected to.
 
@sbi if he said "my goal in life is being a good person" you wouldn't have, right?
 
yeah aside from traveling and probably some other thing, my goal is to make more money and see what interesting stuff I can do with it
 
@AlexM. strippers!
 
lol
 
user3010322
9:43 PM
Blackjack and Hookers.
 
@ThePhD highfive
 
I'm really fine with having money as a main goal and building up subgoals based on the budget at all times
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Sigh. Lemme spell it out to you: If, so far, you lacked the money to travel, then, so far, you didn't travel. So you hadn't, so far, had the chance to see how you mentally cope with that. So you don't know if that's a problem for you.
@Jefffrey If he had said "going places", I wouldn't have objected.
 
@sehe btw, don't you happen to know a thing or two about electric pianos?
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Nope.
 
9:45 PM
@sbi there's nothing evil in money
 
@sbi whops, wrong addressee! :) sorry! :)
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey But there's nothing good either.
 
apes clearly don't piano, not enough nanners
 
sbi
@AlexM. Yeah, and I will have to shrug about this and move on. But I still think you have that backward. Money should be the subgoal you pursue while going for the real goals.
 
@Jefffrey I think sbi is trying to argue that I should have sorted the preconditions for traveling based on how easy it is to achieve them
 
9:46 PM
@ThePhD there's plenty of good, you can buy whatever you want, you can donate them to charity and do good things for people
 
i.e. try to see if there's a point in traveling if I'm not capable (mentally) to do it
am I right?
 
@AlexM. maybe I am stupid but I think that was just an example rather than a point he was trying to make
 
then I must be stupid
 
sbi
@Jefffrey There's nothing evil in a knife, too. Yet I wouldn't say "my goal in life is to get a set of really good knives", and tack on "to become a cook" afterwards. If I want to become a good cook, then, yes, a set of good knives will be needed for that. But they are the means, not the goal.
 
@AlexM. I understand that, I'm arguing about his "money can only be an evil dirty tool for better goals" point
 
user3010322
9:48 PM
@Jefffrey You can also purchase sex slaves off the human trafficking market, buy obscene amounts of cocaine and make it available in low-income neighborhoods for profit, and various other things.
 
user3010322
The point here is that money is a tool, not an end.
 
yes but as I said, money is helping me come up with more goals on the way
 
sbi
See, I think that probably sums it up nicely:
Whatever we talk about, money can (should) always ever only be the means, never the goal.
 
@ThePhD yes, my point is that money is not necessarily evil or bad
 
@ThePhD using it for profit and "that not becoming an end" - you have a cyclic definition there buddy
 
sbi
9:49 PM
@ThePhD Ah, you already said this. :)
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth I like to live dangerously~
 
sbi
@ScarletAmaranth Why? Is monetary profit the only kind you can think of?
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey But it's not necessarily good or wonderful either.
 
@ThePhD that doesn't contradict my point
 
@sbi I just think it was sort of implied as later (probably) confirmed by the author of the sentence himself
 
9:51 PM
@sbi what's wrong with someone who want to be the richest person in the world?
 
user3010322
@Jefffrey Yes, but it solidifies the idea that having a large pile of money when you die tells people nothing about who you are or what you were capable of, except that you could create a very big hammer.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey That's all well and such, but not a valid argument in this debate, because nobody said money is evil.
 
@sbi you keep treating them as second class citizen of Goal City
actually not even citizens
racist (I'm kidding)
@ThePhD and...?
 
@ScarletAmaranth The trick I learnt after dropping my conservatory study is that you have to adapt technique to your own physiology.
It's much more about the listening than the finger moving. And next thing is: minimize all efforts, i.e. minimize the movements. The only things that are really hard is: playing loud and fast
 
9:53 PM
I don't think this dispute actually has any solution other than "de gustibus non est disputandum"
 
yeah
 
some people can't see money as goals, while others can, and that's about it
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Everything? I mean, why would someone want to be rich? If you think about it, you would always have to explain what you would use those riches for. They are a means. OTOH, there are goals that are an ends. I am pretty sure what everybody actually wants is to be happy in life. That is a worthy goal. Money might be a tool to do the things that make you happy, but if money itself makes you happy, you're a pretty poor and lowly sucker.
 
@ScarletAmaranth yeah. That I have to feel them to know whether they are any good. And there's a huge difference between listening with headphones vs. the builtin speaker system (if they have it)
 
@sehe dis is also very true for playing guitar - at least the "minimize movement" part
 
9:55 PM
It's true for virtuosity
In any field
 
@sbi maybe some people just want to be rich, not to buy cars, nor houses, not hookers, no nothing, just for the sake of being rich and be seen as rich that's it
 
@sehe ah, mmmm... any chance you happen to know thomann.de/gb/casio_px_850_bkm_privia.htm ?
 
I can't understand why you can't let people be whoever they feels like even if you don't understand them
 
@ScarletAmaranth Sadly no. I think I've heard sounds from casio's that weren't the worst. Doesn't Casio also make "Silent Piano" systems? (Or was that Technics)
 
those absolutes like "X can never be Y" are for siths
 
user3010322
9:57 PM
Because it can't?
 
sbi
@Jefffrey See, you disproved your original claim yourself: "...be seen as rich". Then what makes them happy is to be seen as rich. If that wouldn't make them happy, and they wouldn't want to spend the money, then why be rich? (Yeah, I know: for some other pathological reason. That'd make my point, though.)
 
@Jefffrey Even wise people sometimes make the mistake to think they they can maybe somehow make it contagious... Sadly, on the receiver can make it so
 
@sehe I have no idea :) mmm, I think I'll try to find someone in person who can play and have him have me try to play something that involves some inb4 thumb-joint action! :)
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Oh, but I let them! It's not that I am pressing @Alex to give up his goal. I am just saying it's a dumb goal.
Saying such things out loud is how I am, BTW. Will you let me be that way? :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth Instead, tell him/her what it is you like to be able to play. And get him/her to audition the candidate keys (and bring your own ears, of course)
 
user3010322
9:58 PM
It's like having the most steel, iron, titanium, gold, hammers, nails, screws, out of anyone else in the world. It's great that you have such a big pile of stuff... but what are you going to do with it?
 
@sbi Am I not? :)
 
Hardly
 
@ThePhD look at it
what do you care?
 

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