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4:00 PM
Must..find..battery..to..escape
 
With the deprecation of std::random_shuffle in C++14, why wasn't the 3rd argument of std::shuffle set to a default of std::default_random_engine?
 
user3010322
random_shuffle was deprcated?
 
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Arrgh.
 
@ThePhD you now have to do std::harlem_shake
 
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Trying to figure out my multisampling algorithm for this thing is hard. =[
 
4:08 PM
why? :/
 
user3010322
Because I'm trying to do a "smart" multisampler.
 
uh oh
(what's a "smart" multisampler?)
 
user3010322
I can generate nxm samples for every square, but that's literally a waste (especially for that last picture I posted)
 
what picture
 
user3010322
What I'm trying to do is make it so I only multi-sample critical places.
 
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4:09 PM
 
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It's getting harder to find out how I'm going to do that, though, because with things like reflections and shadows
 
oh, so you want to only multisample around edges?
 
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Edges, the edges of shadows, etc.
 
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But getting that information is as expensive as shooting the ray itself.
 
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So I'd essentially be running the raytracer twice over the whole image.
 
4:11 PM
run an edge detection kernel over your image after a plain render, then run additional samples on unmasked pixels :v
 
^ this
although I'm not sure the entire process as a whole will be faster than just doing the samples for everything
 
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Well, I'm trying to come up with what would be fastest (at least, in theory anyhow).
 
(if youre using a gpu that is)
 
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Then I'm going to implement and tweak.
 
@Borgleader I think this is his CPU raytracer
 
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4:13 PM
@Borgleader (using cpu for now; GPU is @ScarletAmaranth's business. u.u)
 
user3010322
Gpu be scary, son.
 
there's gotta be a smart way to do this, mental ray has something similar
 
@ThePhD Nice shading
 
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I feel like I can just store an intermediate 4-float-per-pixel image.
 
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And do what melak said, except instead of running kernel on the image,
 
4:14 PM
I recast literally everything 16 times, it's pretty smooth
 
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to just use the hit data instead
 
fuck Naniwa forfeit against Polt
I was looking forward to that series so much.
 
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@DeadMG What?!
 
@DeadMG my parser is missing some keywords here...
 
4:15 PM
@DeadMG he forfeit the series?
 
yep
proxied, got scouted, lost, claimed soundproofing fail and left the tournament
 
user3010322
Wait
 
@DeadMG that guy is a moron
 
user3010322
That's weird. Didn't Naniwa win against Polt at Intel Extreme Masters?
 
what game are you on about ^^?
 
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4:16 PM
Starcraft II.
 
er, you're probably thinking of a past IEM.
as opposed to the one that's livestreaming right now
 
user3010322
Oh. There's another one.
 
user3010322
I should tune in.
 
in which Naniwa just ragequit the tournament instead of playing Polt again
because he's a miserable fucker and I was super looking forward to that series.
 
user3010322
Naniwa won last time... I don't get why he would RQ.
 
4:19 PM
...
the fact that he won last time is of very little importance.
 
AT LAST! FREED BY DURACELL!
 
he said something about bad soundproofing in the booth
i.e. Polt heard the audience/casters talking about the game and that's why he scouted for the proxy so Naniwa lost the game.
 
user3010322
Lol.
 
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Like Polt isn't known to scout against Protoss.
 
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How convenient.
 
4:20 PM
dunno, I honestly haven't really noticed, but it didn't seem an unnatural/forced scout or anything to me
Naniwa put the proxy in a super obvious location
 
user3010322
Meow.
 
wat
 
well it wasn't super obvious per se but it was pretty close.
 
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Woops
 
hi
 
4:21 PM
Polt didn't exactly have half his workers out on the map for five minutes to find the proxy.
he sent out one worker and 5 seconds later he found it
 
@ThePhD lol
 
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@DeadMG I can't say that smells of cheating to me.
 
@DeadMG right but Polt is a really smart player and I'm sure he's faced that before. He probably knew to scout for that.
 
right, but he might or might not scout every game.
I don't know.
 
user3010322
I thought Polt pretty consistently scouted?
 
4:22 PM
I don't pay that kind of attention anymore.
 
user3010322
vOv
 
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I know the zerg players did it often
 
user3010322
always sent zerglings all over the map
 
and you didn't even know the tournament is on :P
 
Also, was Polt/Naniwa the first matchup? Because if not you'd think "bad soundproofing" would have come up earlier
 
4:23 PM
and what the Zerg players do is irrelevant as to what Polt does.
@Borgleader It wasn't the first match and MC won a game with a strong proxy against San.
 
user3010322
Anyone have linky to tourney?
 
@DeadMG Well, imo, that pretty much solves the issue. Unless San happens to be deaf.
 
eh
the casters shouted pretty loudly that Naniwa was proxying
whereas San vs MC they didn't shout it so loudly.
 
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Liink meeeee.
 
4:25 PM
dude
team liquid.
 
ITALY SEE U SOON! i want pasta.
No
What the fuck have we done wrong?
Why?
 
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:3c
 
Please, oh gawd, please
Nooooooooooooooooo
 
@Jefffrey stop star baiting! no sympathy stars!
 
Ok. Sorry. :c
 
4:27 PM
u scrub
 
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@Borgleader I almost got there. :c i got lost on Intel's site.
 
user3010322
Apparently LoL is having a tournament right now.
 
IEM has both SC2 and LoL
 
@thecoshman I just have star withdrawal, you know...
 
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OHOOO
 
4:29 PM
Ok, I'll stop right here.
 
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HERO VERSUS POLT
 
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I want hero to win.
 
Yes it's possible. Assembly is Turing Complete. — Mysticial 11 secs ago
 
lol ppl still asking for the naniwa vs polt score (in twitch.tv chat)
 
@Borgleader what am I missing?
 
4:34 PM
@ThePhD Use the Team Liquid website.
@Jefffrey That Naniwa forfeit the series after just one game.
 
user3010322
That's pretty ridiculous.
 
@DeadMG Is that like the Super Bowl for... less sporty people?
 
what's the super bowl?
 
The Super Bowl is the annual championship game of the National Football League (NFL), the highest level of professional American football in the United States, culminating a season that begins in the late summer of the previous calendar year. The Super Bowl uses Roman numerals to identify each game, rather than the year in which it is held. For example, Super Bowl I was played on January 15, 1967, following the 1966 regular season. The most recent game, Super Bowl XLVIII, was played on February 2, 2014, following the 2013 season. The game was created as part of a merger agreement betwe...
 
@DeadMG I mean, there's not caring, and there's living under a rock.
3
 
4:38 PM
probably had all the references to it garbage collected
 
@EtiennedeMartel Puppy lives in a swamp - you not heard?
 
Feb 16 at 23:54, by Borgleader
ITT @DeadMG is Shrek.
apparently i made that joke already =/
 
@Borgleader His net connection is daily memory-stick exchanges by airboat.
It needs a really big window size.
 
Such a close PvP
 
great aggression by Hero
 
4:47 PM
gg Dear
 
Hero strikes at the precise moment required
 
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Poop.
 
hey yo!
 
5:02 PM
I'm going nutsā€¦ a couple years ago I read about a very lightweight text compression algorithm and now I can't find a reference or remember its name.
It used the difference between each successive pair of characters. Since a lowercase letter predicts that the next character will be a lowercase letter, the differences tend to be small. Instant complexity reduction.
And Unicode friendly. Hmm, maybe this is a question for the main site.
 
can't you just zip it? :v
 
No, I'm just reading about HTTP2 (might implement it). They have a custom HTTP header compression scheme which is very simplistic Huffman coding; it barely does anything. So I was wondering why they didn't use this neat other system, but now I can't find it :P .
 
I thought HTTP headers could indicate a variety of compression schemes used
 
@DeadMG This is for compressing the headers. HTTP2 specifies gzip as the method of compressing the data stream.
 
@Potatoswatter (don't)
 
5:16 PM
Data stream compression can be negotiated
 
I wonder how much bandwidth would be saved if HTTP (and other common shit) moved to binary protocols.
 
@thecoshman That's basically what SPDY and HTTP is all about.
 
@thecoshman not a huge amount. The HTTP headers are unlikely to dominate the total bandwidth usage
@Potatoswatter SPDY is (mainly) about reusing a single connection, isn't it?
 
They matter a lot
 
It's more important for interactive applications, where UI triggers packets with very little data.
 
5:19 PM
Esp that they're repeated even for cached requests
 
It's the reason why large sites move statics to a different domain
 
Heroes of the Storm
 
@jalf per request maybe
 
@Potatoswatter but those are not what eats up gigabytes of data
 
5:20 PM
To avoid cookies and other irrelevant shit in headers
 
Youtube and Netflix does. :P
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
And Twitch
 
@jalf That could probably have been retrofitted onto text HTTP. They went to great length to respecify everything in binary.
 
Header compression is a Big Deal(tm)
 
5:21 PM
@jalf Multiplication is a beast.
Remember, all the site cookies get sent back with every request, unless as Cat said they put the interactive stuff on a different domain.
And having two domains is a nightmare.
 
@Borgleader Dat humor.
 
vOv just need someone big to start using a binary HTTP system and for them to actually open up that standard. Browsers might start seamlessly using that where they can, other sites might start using it too.
but I doubt it
HTTP is what it is
 
OK, that's different - my ADSL is up but I've got no voice calls, (no dial tone), on wireline.
 
@thecoshman Yeah it's called SPDY
 
HTTP is open, and it's being revised now.
 
5:23 PM
And HTTP2
 
@Potatoswatter Look at real-world actual data. Look at the data consumption on your phone. Look at the couple of mb you rack up per day from regular HTTP stuff, including cookies and all. Contrast that to how much you use up on Spotify, Netflix or Youtube.
 
@melak47 ?
 
Also, does anyone actually have a link to an overview of spdy?
What the protocol actually looks like, I mean
 
5:24 PM
@jalf you mean... compare html over http with streaming other data over http sockets?
 
@CatPlusPlus I was looking at that. It uses a lot of words to tell us how fast spdy is, but not a word about what it actually looks like, which was what I'm after
 
@jalf http2.github.io/http2-spec HTTP2 is like SPDY but cleaner. (Still not completely clean, it's a work in progress.)
 
That AV data streaming is a big part of bandwidth usage doesn't make headers irrelevant
 
@jalf I don't care what makes a significant fraction of the Internet. I care about my particular application.
 
It's a problem for Facebook etc
 
5:26 PM
@jalf silly jalf, just look at the wiki page
 
I happen to gravitate more toward embedded devices and interaction than toward video streaming.
 
@CatPlusPlus which means it is a BIG problem :P
 
Streaming is biggest requests, but not most requests
 
@thecoshman Because Zuckerberg has a BIG face on his BIG head
 
user1804599
On a scale from one to ten, how terrible is JNI?
 
5:28 PM
20
 
@rightfold Well, give us a frame of reference. Where would you place PHP on that scale? :p
 
@jalf For a fair comparison, you'd need to be talking about a PHP ABI binding to C++.
 
PHP FFI is even worse than JNI somehow
 
user1804599
lol
 
@rightfold AFAIK it is about the worst thing you could ever want to have to use.
 
5:30 PM
@Potatoswatter no, it was just a general terribleness scale, I believe. Not specific to language bindings
 
Why do you need JNI? Why can't you just run the C++ in a separate process?
 
user1804599
In that caseā€¦ I will just write an executable wrapper around this library in C++ and invoke it through scala.sys.process.
 
@jalf Nevertheless such an atrocity exists.
 
HotS looks like baby's first MOBA.
 
Hyperion best ult :P
 
5:41 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What else were you expecting?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm just praying the community wont be as toxic as LoL
 
I burned mah mouf :(
 
@DeadMG Nothing, really. It's Blizzard, after all: take something that already exists, casualize it a bit, polish it to mirror shine, and then watch it crush the market.
 
@Borgleader why wouldn't it be?
@EtiennedeMartel also add CGI cutscenes
 
oh by the way
I've been playing D3 with the new smart loot stuff, and it's actually a fun game again.
 
5:43 PM
ah
 
@DeadMG Told ya they'd be fixing the issues.
 
hmm
 
I played it a little bit the other day too. It was ok, I suppose. I'm still kind of burned out on it
 
I'm a ways from declaring it actually fixed.
 
5:43 PM
@DeadMG Baby's steps.
 
but it does seem better.
 
But then I've never really been a big diablo fan. It's fun to play through, but once I've done that, eh, I find it hard to go back and do it again
 
@DeadMG Yeah me too, I made it from lvl 33 to 60, and then 60 paragon in like <2 weeks
the realm of chaos / turmoil / (i forgot the third) is really cool
 
especially with so many other cool games to spend my time on.
 
@Borgleader I haven't earned any more paragon levels but then I'm not 60 yet with the new character I started with my brother
 
oh shit, dark souls 2 is out today, isn't it? I haven't even finished the first game yet!
panic
 
but the new difficulty settings are cooler and smarter than the previous.
 
@jalf idk, thats why im praying it wont be
 
@DeadMG the old difficulty settings were retarded
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "According to that one guy I met near the water cooler"
@jalf You mean the Diablo 2 ones?
 
5:46 PM
@jalf I agree. They made way more sense in D2 than D3.
 
@EtiennedeMartel D3 before the updates
 
@jalf Oh, so Diablo 2 + Inferno?
 
@EtiennedeMartel no, being forced to finish the game on "concussed duckling" difficulty before you can play on something that's even remotely fun
 
I never liked the higher difficulties
 
pretty much took the fun out of hardcore characters
 
5:47 PM
It's like NG+ but your equipment is not worth shit and the game is boring
 
yeah
the problem with D3's difficulties was that the earlier difficulties were way easier than the corresponding D2 difficulties, and you could easily boost new characters with gear/money from existing ones but there was no way to up the difficulty correspondingly.
but the new difficulties are way better- you can scale up the game quite high in terms of difficulty and reward right from the getgo
 
Anyway, I doubt anything could make me play D3 again. A friend has been bugging me to do it, but uuuuuugh....
 
lol
 
Is it free yet
 
no
 
5:50 PM
It seems like it's a decent enough game by now, that would actually be fun to play coop with a few friends, if only it had launched like this. But having played through it the way it used to be, I'm just burned out on it, and the improvements aren't enough to make up for it
So we've been playing Risk of Rain instead, which has been much more fun :D
 
never heard of it
 
@EtiennedeMartel yep
 
Xeo
Risk of Rain is cool
'cept the first class is way too strong
 
It's a ton of fun multiplayer
 
Xeo
ye
 
5:51 PM
RoR gets unbelievably unfun very fast
 
Xeo
too bad my PC can't handle the last level at all
 
@Xeo hmm, I dunno, it didn't feel more powerful to me than many of the other classes
 
Xeo
I get massive slowdown and in multiplayer my game time is even slower than that of the others
@jalf it has an invincibility dodge, that's crazy powerful
 
@Xeo Half the classes do, though
 
Xeo
then I haven't unlocked enough, I guess
 
5:53 PM
Probably more than half, even
Sniper is a lot of fun though
Can oneshot some bosses
 
Xeo
the reloading is baaad when you're getting overrun, though
 
yes
 
Xeo
not so much of a problem in multiplayer though, if classes are there that can handle that well
 
wat
taeja rages when he loses 1 medivac full of units, even though he still has equal supply?
wtf and then taeja rages again when stardust forces a cancel on a factory?
 
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6:08 PM
:D:D:D
 
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That was
 
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the biggest lulz
 
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I've ever seen
 
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these forfeits
 
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are ridiculous
 
6:09 PM
why the preference for Cowface Games generator in the game jam rules? (just curious)
@DeadMG is that live?
 
user1804599
> The water is foul! You gag and vomit. The fountain dries up!
 
user1804599
I am torturing myself.
 
user1804599
6:25 PM
> killed by a bat
 
Watchya playing
 
@CatPlusPlus Sounds like Australian-rules cricket.
 
heh
(inb4 "needs mroe jpeg")
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah i saw that in early highschool
or maybe even elementary
 
27 Like his older brother Jesus Christ, Justin Bieber would have to be crucified and resurrected so that the world could be redeemed.
 
Lotsa respect for that siteā€¦ it's much less abstruse than it was at first.
 
Speaking of abstruse...
 
@Potatoswatter Which site?
 
6:49 PM
-1
Q: Google interview

AlinGiven an array of n positive numbers, how can you pick the greatest m numbers from the array so that their sum is maximum in such way that when you pick one number you cannot pick neither of it's two neighbours?

/cc @Mysticial
 
6:59 PM
lol
 

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