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11:00 AM
nope
 
what's a telkitty puppet?
@rightfold I should be too :(
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Good morning:)
 
yo :)
how is our dear darling Bailey?
 
@wilx TIL WinDbg has some pretty classy diagnostics "PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS: APPLICATION_HANG_HungIn_LoaderLock"
@AlexM. Never mind. You're cool :)
 
@sehe But IMHO there is nothing I can do about it. I mean, how else can I clean up?
 
11:01 AM
@wilx :( Maaaaybe you could have one of those pesky cleanup_library_xxx() API ...
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Asleep on the settee. Please don't go on about wildlife today - a badger cost me £160 yesterday when it committed suicide-by-Fiesta. Please stick to nice food:)
 
@sehe I am about to try the APC queue trick I did for initialization.
 
@wilx inb4 Access violation
 
hello
 
11:04 AM
Seriously, does nobody really use C++11 std::mutex in a DLL that needs cleaning up and does so from DllMain(). I mean, there is really nothing else there to use. Using dtor of static instance of a class suffers from the same problem because it is called from the loader lock as well. IIRC the atexit() mechanism is called under the loader lock as well.
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty YIL that the plastic used to pre-pack spicy meatballs gets very brittle in a freezer and, if you try to pop-out a couple of balls, the whole packet disintegrates and flings meatballs all over the kitchen floor. I managed to retrieve 9 out of 12, Bailey got the rest.
 
Current meatball score - Martin:9 Bailey:3
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Some might say '50 years too late'. I could not possibly comment.
 
"Keeley Hawes is to take on a villainous role in Doctor Who - as a banker." OOOOH
 
11:09 AM
Wunch of bankers.
6
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What a wonderful thought - you could transport the bankers back in time so thay had to watch their banks, and personal holdings, become bankrupt and worthless, over, and over, again.
 
@MartinJames Or so they could invest knowing how stocks will behave in future - as in Primer ; D
 
Primer is a prime example of a movie I still don't completely understand when I watch it sigh
 
What's your count so far?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2
meant to watch it more but cba
I typically pretend I've seen it five or six times so far
 
11:21 AM
this week is conspiring to stop me from actually working
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol.
> So you’re well-rounded, cultured, and have a taste for great food and amazing music, eh? Well say, “Hallo Deutschland!” Up north you can hit Berlin, with many museums and shopping, or head on down to München (Munich) for amazing food and friendly people. You were destined to live in a beautiful country with amazing architecture, fairy-tale castles, good eats, and unbelievable beauty (and you can go super fast on the Autobahn). Du gehst nach Deutschland. Auf Wiedersehen!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that third question is really hard :S
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 'You got: Turkey'
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, I also need to see it like 10 times more to get the whole plot ;0
 
Belgium :S
 
11:30 AM
> You got: Malta
Just like you, Malta is the best of both worlds. You’re a complex person who appreciates the simpler, finer things in life. You need bustle because you’re curious and ambitious, but you need nature because you’re private and a deep thinker. You believe in indulgence and luxury, but you know the most important things — a sky full of stars, the sounds of nature, and a life full of love — are free.
first time I hear of Malta in a very long time
but maybe that's because I don't read a lot of stuff lol
 
@thecoshman Forgot what it was
 
the result is wrong though, at the baby step there should have been a "no babies please" option to make it 100% accurate
 
@AlexM. I get Malta and Cyprus mixed up.
 
@MartinJames Did UK once own Cyprus? Malta is the one in the Middle of the Med
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I should go to Japan.
 
11:36 AM
@thecoshman Yeah - now there's the Turkey/Greece thing going on. I always have to think carefully when someone mentions either island - don't know why, something wrong in my head, I just always get it wrong unless I think hard.
 
I got Peru ;00
 
@thecoshman I think we ended up with it after WW2 or WW1 or something and totally failed to correctly handle returning it to the rightful owners.
 
@AlexM. Aww.. The evil girl reading 'The Exorcist' was irresistable for me.
 
Maybe after WW1 as one of the remnants of the Ottoman empire?
 
@DeadMG Of couse - partition it and so totally fuck it up, like Ireland etc.
 
11:41 AM
@MartinJames I chose the black baby that looked like a future comedian
 
@MartinJames There's a theme.
 
@MartinJames Nah, that was different.
firstly, I'm pretty sure that Ireland was one of our first colonial (not really far-flung but still) properties that we let go, so it wasn't like the governments of the time had much experience handling that kind of thing
 
@MartinJames But no, the division in Cyprus arose long after that.
 
@DeadMG They learned quickly.
 
and secondly, the people in NI voted with a fairly srs majority to stay in the UK, if I recall correctly.
the problem was the people who couldn't accept the outcome of the vote.
 
11:43 AM
Enosis (, meaning "union") refers to the movement of various Greek communities that live outside of Greece, for incorporation of the regions they inhabit, to the Greek state. Widely known is the case of the Greek-Cypriots for union of Cyprus into Greece. Enosis movement: past and present cases During the past the same term was used in various times and places to denote movements among Greek populations remaining outside the boundaries of the Kingdom of Greece as originally created in 1830, who aspired to be incorporated in that kingdom. Movements calling for Enosis were popular in ...
 
but I am not a historical expert on such things.
 
Oh, the enosis article doesn't mention Turkey's invasion: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
The UK had no (direct) part in it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you can give independence, or allow a vote, or whatever, so that it's likely that there will be conflict and so fuck everything up without blame attached, so much the better, (UK policy, not mine).
 
Turkey's justification at the time seems kinda similar to the Russia-Ukraine thing.
 
It's not just the UK: partitioning Korea worked particularly well re. fucking everything up.
OK, it's better than open warfare, but not that much better.
 
11:52 AM
@MartinJames I don't think that was really a partition, since they never took over the entire peninsula. It was the result of a partial invasion (like Cyprus)
 
@ScottW I suspect that robot is too intelligent to not notice the implied 'come over an help lug my furniture around' subtext:)
 
user1804599
> You got: Netherlands
 
user1804599
lol
 
@AlexM. funny assymetric claim /first time I hear/ <-> /I don't read a lot/
 
@MartinJames Oh wait, you mean after WW2, not after the Korean War. Don't mind me.
 
user1804599
11:54 AM
> Have you ever met a mean Dutch person? Didn’t think so. The Netherlands have EVERYTHING. Seriously, pretty much everything is legal there, so there’s really something for everyone. You’re bound to have a good time in Amsterdam, of course, but if you’re looking for something a little different, get out of the city and check out the lovely canals and flower fields that cover the country. It’s the most beautiful place in Europe.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really.
> More than one quarter of the population of Cyprus was expelled from the occupied northern part of the island where Greek Cypriots constituted 80% of the population
 
@rightfold You're boring and self-righteous?
 
user1804599
@sehe I'm you.
 
'pretty much everything is legal there' ... 'pretty much nothing is illegal there'.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why not?
 
11:55 AM
I had some spacecake when I was in Amsterdam ...
 
user1804599
> Have you ever met a mean Dutch person? Didn’t think so.
 
user1804599
I sure did. That fucker in elementary school.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The Greeks put up a pro-Greece government, and Turkey went in to help the Turks living there. s/Greeks/Ukrainians/ s/Greece/EU/ s/Turkey/Russia/ s/Turks/Russians/?
 
I've not been to Netherlands that often, but had a good time, no problems:)
 
greek salad ... meh wanna ...
 
user1804599
11:57 AM
Nobody cares about anybody here.
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Oh yeah... hungry now.
 
user1804599
You are also fat.
 
American ginger .. :p
 
user1804599
Fat ginger master prejudice.
 
@rightfold Oooh. That's nice! Congratulations!
 
user1804599
11:58 AM
It was a complement.
 
Irrelevant. It's nice to be me.
maar?
want?
 
user1804599
Argh.
 
I concur
 
user1804599
Fucking menu bar.
 
user1804599
@ScottW en!
 
11:59 AM
@ScottW Not really had a problem of any sort anywhere in Europe. I go, do business/tourist stuff, go into bars and restaurants, drink beer and talk to locals in sometimes-awkward English. No problems, (mod. getting arrested in Spain, but that was just wrong place, wrong time).
 
user1804599
Also Gentoo is good.
 
user1804599
I can't get NetHack to work at work.
 
@rightfold Try it at home.
 
user1804599
@MartinJames It works at home.
 
user1804599
I played it yesterday and I died of starvation.
 
user1804599
12:01 PM
@ScottW Go to Scottland.
 
@rightfold Just ssh to some online server?
 
@rightfold Scotland is muttering about independence too.
 
@rightfold Yep, you're on track.
 
user1804599
I should work instead of play NetHack at work.
 
user1804599
12:07 PM
Graspop.
 
@ScottW I never did so!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at nethackwiki.com'
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Crimea is predominantly Russian-ethnic. Northern Cyprus was 80% Greek. So it's not the same thing at all.
 
user1804599
Hmm. Not sure about the formatting in this code.
 
user1804599
It is rather ugly.
 
12:09 PM
Granted, they wanted the whole island, not just the top of it. A similarity begins to arise if we pretend that they took the whole thing.
@rightfold Are you sure?
 
user1804599
I know. I will make a new function.
 
To be fair, I never knew the circumstances leading up to the invasion. I'd always assumed it was just Turkey being dicks, but I was wrong
I love Cyprus and suddenly my view on the entire partition has changed somewhat. That's weird.
 
user1804599
I hope filter(UserAuthenticator.checkPassword(password, _)) works; type inference with _ is icky.
 
Still, settling Turks from the mainland in occupied homes was a dick move
 
@ScottW hahaha
 
12:19 PM
As a Chinese I am offended, we don't eat cats, we eat dogs
 
@ScottW If you supply enough fat cats, you may get free meals.
 
Can you pass cat meat as chicken?
The best meat I have had were donkeys
 
@ScottW Ermm.... :)
 
Also tried crocodile & deers ... yes I have had dog meat before (long time ago)
 
Can we get off the bestiality? OK, it's taking the edge off my hunger, but still...
 
12:25 PM
I have also had a baby chicken as pet (hatched in a home made incubator)
 
user1804599
I have a pet: telkitty
 
telnet kiddy
 
user1804599
look i can hack google $ telnet google.com
 
user1804599
$ ping google.com
 
I think "totally_ordered" sounds funny. Like this set is totally ordered man.
 
12:31 PM
I have my car back! The garage guy has temporarily stitched it together with cable-ties and says it's roadworthy. That's gonna be a few beers, then.
 
Hey, I was thinking the same about you yesterday.
alright
 
user1804599
@ScottW I have no Flash on my work PC; will check at home.
 
@ScottW I think @Fred once mentioned that he used to listen to Nas.
 
I don't understand the big deal with Crimea. Crimeans want to be Russian, Russia wants to let them, they want to vote on it. Just fucking let them. Jesus.
 
user1804599
lol Fred listening to Nas.
 
12:36 PM
Everyone's blaming Russia
 
@ScottW I'll check it out when I get home.
But already listening to the track now.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There is this small matter of "The law of the country they're actually a part of right now".
 
@ScottW I stumbled upon this one right now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And this other small matter of a military incursion by Russia instead of letting the political process happen.
 
sounds neat yeah
 
12:37 PM
@DeadMG Going to war over the letter of the law when a group of people have expressed a democratic desire to do something else, is ridiculous.
Especially since, IIRC, Crimeans can't vote to change that law.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's hard to argue that the Ukrainian government has decided to go to war when the war started before, as far as I am aware, anybody ever suggested any political actions in this matter.
 
@DeadMG I'm talking about the anti-Russian US/UK rhetoric.
 
well, they did militarily occupy Crimea.
it's not the kind of thing you usually just ignore.
I mean, let me put it this way.
as far as I am aware, Russia and the intermediate authorities (whoever they are) in Crimea don't seem to have given the political process in Ukraine any chance to work on the problem.
they've basically just upped and ignored everybody else and done what they want to do instead of trying to make it work.
 
@DeadMG No, not really.
 
searched for the albums on iTunes earlier and saw all of them
it's the first time I hear of MF DOOM; I really like how it sounds
his music that is
 
12:40 PM
and
the whole thing seems to be predicated on the assumption that all Russian nationals and citizens in Crimea want to be re-united with Russia.
or somehow need protection from Ukraine, as if Ukraine authorities were trying to gas them all or something.
it's not like in Syria where the government totally is trying to kill a bunch of it's people but Russia doesn't have a problem with that.
you don't find it hypocritical that Assad is busy trying to commit genocide over there and Russia's fine with selling him the guns to do it, but as soon as it's Russian-speaking people next to Russia, then it's PROTECT THE HUMAN RIGHTS even when there are no serious recorded violations?
let's face it, Russia invaded first and referendumed second, and the outcome of such a referendum even if it was in favour would be pretty suspect, and their quoted motivations for invading are clearly bullshit.
 
@DeadMG Oh look - I'm agreeing with a Lounger again. This outbreak is very strange.
 
Inorite
 
@DeadMG Not really. It's a call for a referendum.
@DeadMG The Russian ethnics in Crimea have been marginalised for decades.
@DeadMG Not sure what the relevance of Syria is? I never mentioned it.
@DeadMG Yes, it is. Again, not what we were talking about. Nice strawman, though.
@DeadMG That is true.
hth
@StackedCrooked Needs two user-defined conversions, right?
or, I dunno
Probably the same as this (which I still don't fully grok)
 
@StackedCrooked ADL does not consider the result of user-defined conversions.
 
12:54 PM
@DeadMG nope you're wrong. first people in Crimea decided to say "fuck off" to those Nazi in Kiev, and only few days later russian some military people appeared
 
int has operator<, std::pair's has to be found by ADL I believe.
 
@DeadMG Ah, so if pair had a member function operator< then it would have worked?
 
user1804599
Man.
 
@StackedCrooked Well, I expected so but apparently not. Perhaps there's simply no lookup on the result of user-defined conversions and only global operators are considered.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know you never mentioned it. I mentioned it. Being as how it proves that Russia doesn't give a shit about human rights. Since we can clearly compare how Russia behaves in two situations- where Assad is trying to gas his own people (that's no problem) and even if we assume that Russians in Crimea are marginalized, it's pretty clear that human rights violations are not any kind of deciding factor in Russia's foreign policy decisions.
being as how when presented with far worse violations, Russia keeps selling arms to the oppressing side.
 
@rightfold I never owned any stuff by Nas, he was just popular among my peers back then.
 
1:03 PM
I mean
let's compare with another incident, which is say, the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan
at least they presented some evidence to the UN, and tried to build some kind of international consensus on the matter
it wasn't just instant tanks.
 
is it appropriate to ask a question on the site regarding where a free childrens' dictionary like 1000 words is available? like, with an API
 
no
 
@barlop If by 'site' you mean 'Google', then yes.
 
@MartinJames I did not know that martin, you have so much knowledge it's amazing
 
that's the effect of using Google
 
1:08 PM
I mean, to have known that you can try Googling, that's amazing. who knew
 
@DeadMG btw I kinda doubt that Assad tried to commit genocide or anything like that. However I've seen a bunch of terrorists - so called Syrian opposition - who killed a lot of Syrian civilians, and guess who gave them weapons?
 
@barlop Well, I did. That makes at least one.
 
@MartinJames it was a rhetorical statement
 
@ScottW Pi day? I thought that was 22/7?
@barlop I would never have guessed.
 
I know
 
1:14 PM
Nice simple one for free rep:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22405993/how-do-i-create-a-i386-elf-compiler-for-linux
 
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A: When should old "list of X" questions be kept as wikis?

RnMssI think the better solution is to provide a way to ask not-real-questions, rather than only trying to forbid them. Some of the questions exists because for many of them, SO is the closest place to discuss such topic. In another word, they ask questions not because what SO is, but because who th...

ahahah
terrible answer
 
> Being as how it proves that Russia doesn't give a shit about human rights.
No, it really doesn't. You're spewing useless propaganda and rhetoric.
@DeadMG Oh please. As if the US and UK are not guilty of that and worse.
All of the weapons in Saddam's Iraq we gave to them so pull the other one
 
you're acting under the assumption that I support the Iraq war, which I don't.
 
Am I? No, I'm not.
 
1:17 PM
I've got plenty of anti-US and anti-UK sentiment to go around.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Haven't you realized yet that arguing with the Puppy is a futile affair?
 
Your support or lack thereof does not drive worldwide foreign policy, nor change the facts surrounding it.
 
you can't tell me that Russia isn't guilty as shit just because the US and UK have done some bad things too.
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah I know but it can be kinda amusing for a bit
 
which they totally have and I've never denied that nor supported their actions.
 
1:17 PM
@DeadMG I didn't. Did you go to Bartek's Strawman classes again?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha, ok, well have fun :)
 
@TonyTheLion thanks! :D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know that you didn't. "can't" generally refers to the future, you know.
 
It's not a strawman to say that if you're concerned about human rights abuses, you should consider the worst abusers first
 
this guy has made some amazing pieces: lushpin.com
 
1:19 PM
or rather, you should look at a country's human rights abuses, in the context of where they are in the world in relation to human rights abuses, that way you don't blow it out of proportion
 
getting tired of this shit ¬_¬
> I suck at spilling
FTFY
 
@DeadMG Then it's a future strawman.
@thecoshman hah
@AlexM. nice. could use some sunny ones
 
Download the logarithms — Raging Scallion 3 mins ago
someone is trolling
 
@StackedCrooked No.
 
1:29 PM
@TonyTheLion @RagingScallion did you bring... tears to their eyes?
 
> Btw, font is spelled fount in British English.
 
Dutch guy in the Unicode mailing list.
 
sure, in 1500
maybe he should concentrate on speaking Dutch
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It still is these days, but it gained a more specialised meaning.
"fount" is only (and even then, rarely) used for metal type.
 
1:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0
 
(And who the hell uses metal type?)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fount (second definition)
 
lol MW on British.
 
I knew you'd make a remark about that
 
@TonyTheLion OED OR GTFO
 
1:37 PM
It is called "English".
 
@thecoshman I wish ಥ_ಥ
 
2 hours ago, by sehe
@rightfold You're boring and self-righteous?
 
@RagingScallion Do you have a keyboard shortcut for that face, or something?
 
@RagingScallion are you butt hurt by yourself?
 
1:38 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's between AltGr and F12, yes.
 
@TonyTheLion The people that work with these terms daily don't use it.
 
@thecoshman My dick ain't that flexible
 
@RagingScallion you should stop using that shortcut ಠ_ಠ
@RagingScallion but you have tried?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, well, what do they know :)
 
@thecoshman You make me wanna
 
@RagingScallion yeah I do
 
> font²
Now there's a WTF spelling of font²
 
Printing businesses use "fount" for metal type only (and not all). Digital type is always font.
 
@RagingScallion nice
 
1:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes or you mean actual physical printing blocks
 
@thecoshman That's what metal type is.
You can now guess how common it is.
 
I thought it was a genre of music
Silly me
Well, organized noise
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there are an awful lot of hipsters
 
In printing and typography, hot metal typesetting (also called mechanical typesetting, hot lead typesetting, hot metal, and hot type) refers to technologies for typesetting text in letterpress printing. This method injects molten type metal into a mold that has the shape of one or more glyphs. The resulting sorts and slugs are later used to press ink onto paper. Types of typesetting Two different approaches to mechanising typesetting were independently developed in the late 19th century. One, known as the Monotype composition caster system, produced texts with the aid of perforated...
 
That doesn't look like a guitar
 
1:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, so like making a custom printing block for an entire sheet of a news paper?
@RagingScallion ¬_¬ I reject thy
 
@thecoshman Yeah, a whole line cast at once, usually.
 
Kept on forgetting Cicada's new names ...
 
she went rogue long ago
 
:( RIP in peace Cicade
 
1:51 PM
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Yeah - confusing. I have enough trouble with rightfold:)
 
I have my next nickname already planned
Only 5 days more!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh lines.
@RagingScallion Cicada FTFY
 
Btw, jam is tomorrow. Only nine people registered?
 
There's another jam? And my brilliant partner @BartenderBanachewicz didn't warn me? /cc @Bartek
 
1:59 PM
Here's the jam
 
@TonyTheLion I'm jelly
 

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