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2:00 PM
I'm a little rusty with Haskell OK!??!
 
Not okay! You must learn Haskell as a prerequisite to being a lounger!
 
Xeo
A little Rust-y?
 
:P
 
sometimes I feel like I'm the only one here not writing haskell
 
Fear not, brother. I am with you.
 
cpx
2:02 PM
Why should I learn Haskell?
 
@Xeo Probably needs braces too
 
@cpx Why not?
So you guys are really doing OpenGL with Haskell?
 
cpx
Is it better than C++?
 
Ell
it's different
 
cpx
Probably it must be better than Java.
 
2:07 PM
^
I meant this for "It's different"
It's just different, can't compare the two. Nonetheless, I still choose C++ over it, since I am familiar with it the most.
 
@cpx Yes. No. Maybe.
 
you learn new stuff to learn new solutions to problems
so when you have to choose one, you have a wider array of solutions to pick from
you have to strike a balance though
learning for the sake of learning is not that useful
 
wut, did I say something wrong?
 
@AlexM. School?
 
2:11 PM
you talk to someone who went to college for the first time since it started ~1.5 months ago, today
 
You're in college?
 
yes, for half a year more
finally
 
What course?
 
CS, I think
 
Most of those courses make you learn Python.
or Java.
 
2:14 PM
I tried to tell my classmates that I need to get back to work and I should leave an hour early
but no
"THE LAB TAKES 2 HOURS SIT HERE THANK YOU"
 
cpx
> Haskell /ˈhæskəl/[21] is a standardized, general-purpose purely functional programming language, with non-strict semantics and strong static typing.
Indeed different.
 
I had to watch them argue about things like "let's finish this diagram", "we need a FooController here too! and we need another controller here too! we should add more views and models and factories!"
 
@cpx If you want different, learn brainfuck.
@AlexM. D-diagram?
 
cpx
I think the obvious is you cannot think in objects anymore.
 
It's election day.
 
2:16 PM
and the worst part was
 
In America.
 
@Rapptz Yay
 
Remember to vote etc.
 
"the diagram has to be complete! perfect!"
then they proceeded to write down ~9 getters and setters (18 in all) on the blackboard
and it was not ending
 
So you're making diagrams in a CS course?
 
2:16 PM
oh god I thought it was never going to end
 
Wait 'til you get to objects.
 
user1804599
> If [the condition] is true this launches a missile, and if it is not true it erases your hard drive. This is a difficult function to test.
 
@Nooble wat?
 
It'll get real wonky.
 
what do you mean by "objects"?
 
user1804599
2:17 PM
> You have to have an unlimited supply of missiles.
 
user1804599
lol
 
Did you do recursive diagrams yet?
Why can't they just let you code?
Actually, what do you mean by diagram?
 
I thought it was pretty obvious that I was talking about UML class diagrams :P
they can't do anything unless the professor tells them to
 
@AlexM. I thought you meant actual picture diagrams.
Wait those are picture diagrams though.
 
it would have been so easy for me to avoid doing that shit
if our team didn't have a retarded enthusiastic fucker in it as a leader
"let's use this as an opportunity to learn something new guys!"
(actual quote)
(I'm serious)
 
2:21 PM
I can already feel the cringing.
 
anyone passes if they turn in something remotely looking like a project
this guy wants to be the best of the best at turning in complete projects
 
user1804599
ewww
 
user1804599
printMemberInfo()
 
the worst part
once it's time to code
 
2:22 PM
@Nooble eww, cross domain dependencies
 
I'll have to do JSP
and there's no way around it
 
user1804599
Separate X and printing X.
 
user1804599
They should be in different modules.
 
@rightføld What's so bad about this?
 
user1804599
A member shouldn't know anything about printing itself.
 
2:24 PM
@AlexM. Sounds like something I could see myself saying.
 
user1804599
Make it a separate function that takes a member as argument.
 
user1804599
Or rather, a function that returns a string and doesn't do any I/O at all.
 
user1804599
The user can then pass that string to System.out.println.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wouldn't mind anyone saying it, if they weren't dragging me along
 
user1804599
It's much more flexible and easier to automatically test.
 
2:27 PM
Found an example on Microsoft's website, this is bad isn't it?
 
I personally see no use in that project
but that's not the only issue I have with it
 
user1804599
@Nooble Should have overloaded operator<< instead.
 
see, the team project thing is something that's mandatory to do in the third year
 
Sounds good.
 
@AlexM. Think of it as an easy grade.
 
2:28 PM
normally, it's a random topic chosen by the professor
this time though
the college made a deal with the mayor
 
The mayor...
 
they use the team project labs to develop software that's to be used by the city administration to manage cemeteries around
which essentially means the college gets the big bucks for it
and we're being used as free labor
 
And you pay them tuition too, right?
 
no, I had good enough grades to attend for free
I don't pay anything for college
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus naw
 
2:31 PM
this is probably an astoundingly dumb question, but does regular expression differ in other languages?
 
@AlexM. Nice.
 
Which regular expression
 
@corvid The answer is "no" for the right set of "other languages".
 
@corvid There are different "flavors", which usually depend on which library gives you the regex support.
But most regex implementations kinda look like Perl's.
 
I'm tempted to drop a line that shuts down their shitty cemetery software a year from now
 
2:32 PM
@Nooble Quite bad, in several ways. For example, it attempts to display _x and _y, but doesn't initialize them, so calling its Show gives UB.
 
and deletes all entries
but I'm sure it will be properly reviewed :P
since it's about money
 
@AlexM. Aww...
 
I'm also quite sure you can get sued for that.
 
no they can't
 
@AlexM. More like, add new entries.
 
2:32 PM
I'm just a student writing code
 
lol, why not?
 
and I happened to write code that had bugs
I didn't sign a contract with the mayor
 
If you want to limit how someone uses your shit then license it to them on those terms
 
@AlexM. "Honest mistake"
 
@AlexM. That's not relevant.
 
2:33 PM
13 secs ago, by Alex M.
I didn't sign a contract with the mayor
this is though
 
"Can get sued" doesn't mean "Is guilty".
 
I'm just doing homework
if anyone get sued, it's the college
 
1 min ago, by Alex M.
I'm tempted to drop a line that shuts down their shitty cemetery software a year from now
What about this?
 
they made the deal, and didn't deliver
 
Time bombs are rather obvious
 
2:34 PM
Well...
 
You can't delete it now.
 
You can obfuscate it.
 
yeah, they can dig that out
 
And it kinda shows malicious intent.
 
Obfuscating the code makes the malicious intent ever so more clear
 
2:34 PM
I'll make sure to not drop a line that shuts down their shitty cemetery software a year from now
 
And yes you will be responsible, regardless of whether the college get sued or not
 
But he is just a student.
How hard can it be to write cemetery software anyways?
 
with the right people? or with my classmates?
 
Good point.
 
2:37 PM
we're 3 weeks late already because they can't decide how many factories and controllers to add to their diagrams
 
...
 
user1804599
What is cemetery software?
 
and every meeting seems to be a huge argument
 
user1804599
NetHack?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Do I really seem like a complete idiot to you?
 
2:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes kinda?
 
Oh, and hi! Good morning everybody!
 
@rightføld it's supposed to register whoever gets buried and some extra shit
 
@JerryCoffin What did I do?
 
where the extra shit is the big part
 
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@JerryCoffin Have you told her that? :P
 
2:39 PM
Oh.
:)
 
@AlexM. How hard can this be?
 
I'd show you the request from the mayor and shit, but it's in Romanian
 
I'm sure I can do it, and I haven't taken actual courses.
Translate?
 
the issue is that there's a lot of crap in it
many things to keep track of
it's a perfect project for enthusiastic people to overengineer
 
@EtiennedeMartel He did only say: "I'm tempted...", not: "I'm going to..." or anything like that.
 
2:40 PM
the issue is also that the college actually promotes that overengineering
 
@AlexM. It wouldn't be real academia without at least a little lot of overengineering.
 
Isn't it supposed to be about simplicity?
Less code to get the job done?
 
that would mean, you know
 
I mean, I kinda get using harder/longer implementations to practice.
 
focusing on prototypes and constant feedback gathering with the client (i.e. the administration)
not two months of diagramming and then
"whoops, we got this wrong, they want something else"
"back to planning"
"everything"
anyway, I complained enough about this
as I said, as long as you turn something in you pass
I just have to keep a low profile
and do as little Java as possible
 
2:44 PM
Do you have the contract as text? Then you could just run it through google translate, granted it won't be 100% accurate, but we'll get the idea.
 
yeah I'm searching for the relevant bits
 
@AlexM. Why would you use any Java for a task like this? This sounds like straight-up database management.
 
I didn't choose it
it was enforced by the team leader because it's the only language he knows
and he doesn't want to risk the project ending up less than ~purrfect~
 
@AlexM. How did they choose team-leader?
 
@AlexM. So how did somebody who knows nothing about programming get to lead a team doing programming?
 
2:46 PM
Surely, they should choose the one who is most experienced.
 
I think he was chosen by the prof or something, no clue
perhaps based on grades?
he has straight 10/10, because Java is constantly being used in college and he grew accustomed to it
 
@AlexM. What is it with everyone learning Java?
In my highschool, if you take AP Comsci, you have to use Java.
Java everywhere!
 
@Nooble not sure how much of it is understandable, but here you go pastebin.com/UW0f2wJy
this is what the prof gave us
well part of it
I left out the "blah blah blah, we need a new cemetery management app"
 
in y'alls opinion, what's the best language for beginner programmers to start on?
 
2:49 PM
haskell
 
@Nooble lol, I was the last class to get to use C++
 
@AlexM. Looks like a bunch of extra stuff.
 
user1804599
Haskell.
 
mind you that's not an advantage
 
@JerryCoffin Sounds normal.
 
2:50 PM
A lot of them require timing.
 
what's special about Haskell? People here seem to like it a lot
 
user1804599
Teaches you lots of good habits and only few bad ones.
 
It's simple
 
@Jefffrey Really?
 
@Jefffrey My university agrees.
 
2:51 PM
time to put gel in my butt
4
 
at my uni they use javascript for the first class (which is, showing loops, basic data structures, etc)
 
@AlexM. Not sure if it's there, but do they require you to make a GUI?
 
@Nooble yes
we're actually using JSP
 
Ahh okay.
 
Haskell does seem pretty good, I just never got why this room favored it so heavily. Is it something "behind the scenes", or is it purely syntactic?
 
2:53 PM
@AlexM. Based on what I see there, it looks like the first step should be a prototype in a decent DBMS. Lacking that, a prototype in Access would be a better substitute than any amount of Java and/or class diagrams.
 
user1804599
Why this room favoured it? Because Cat favoured it.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey getting ready for tonight?
 
All hail @CatPlusPlus!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, I'm not saying it's rare--I'm just curious how it came about in this case. Well, I guess the "just" is technically false--I'm curious how it comes about in general.
 
@rightføld It's my fault.
 
2:56 PM
@rightføld I'm pretty sure others of us favored it before Cat did (or at least before Cat said anything about favoring it, anyway).
 
@AlexM. Hmm, with all the timing things the "other features" section states, you can probably stealthily insert a time bomb there.
 
lol
 
you guys think python is a good completely introductory language, or is it too simple? (with dynamic typing and stuff like that)
 
With all the personal information you are required to store, it must be tempting to put a backdoor on it and start stealing dead identities.
/Joke
Please don't hold me liable for this idea.
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, that's what I mentioned some time earlier, I'd have focused on prototyping and constant communication with the administration
 
2:59 PM
@Nooble AP Compsci has been using Java for years.
 
@Rapptz For what reason?
What does it have over C++?
 
ask College Board
 

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