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user1646075
2:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did they predict LOL, ROFL, 1337 and OMGWTF
 
Xeo
The alternate-universe sports sound like Bloodbowl
 
seriously it took them 54 years to develop this shitty example
 
Ell
@rightføld On the client side
 
the autistic egypt operating system in assembly was way better
 
Ell
2:01 PM
I'm looking at prism
 
@GuruAdrian Despite Lounge rumours to the contrary, I'm not actually an alcoholic:)
 
user1646075
@MartinJames Yes, we all can give it up tomorrow if we choose to.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Terry Davis suffers from schizophrenia, not autism.
 
@GuruAdrian probly not
@MartinJames #denial
Martin "Wino" James
 
Could you not help propagate these autism stereotypes?
 
2:02 PM
he's only propagating them to the Lounge
 
user1646075
Actually, where my son does his karate training, there's an NA meeting at the same time, and over the 3 years, I've noticed a shit-load of hubris and pride as people walk in. I don't think I've ever seen one of them looking contrite or ashamed. And that's truly a sobering thought.
 
somehow I think society will survive this
let's face it, if the sort of nonsense that got spake in the Lounge made it out to society at large, we'd have much bigger problems
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh shit right
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..and alcoholic stereotypes.
 
too late to edit
 
2:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, what makes you think he would only do so in here?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good point. SHUT UP BARTEK
what's the autistic egypt operating system in assembly, anyway?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit uh oh
 
fire in the hole
no but really
 
I'm dying, 6%, goodbye my friends, my time is up...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes uh I made a mistake yes
 
2:04 PM
@MartinJames it's been fun
see you in another life, brother
heh when jack said that to desmond i was half expecting a "u wot m8 u takin the piss brother?"
 
user1646075
@MartinJames quick, wire an iron nail and a copper nail into a potato and plug it into your phone.
 
Xeo
> ... for these calculations, we will assume a spherical cow, although most remaining "cows" are actually closer to oblate spheroids ...
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit templeos.org. Quite impressive, to be honest.
 
2:06 PM
Some people cannot see through the religious bits, though, or stick to prejudices related to his mental health.
It's quite annoying.
 
user1646075
thats ... quite intense.
 
Whose mental health? The author's. One Terry Davis.
 
identifying a mental health deficiency isn't the same as being prejudiced about it
 
user1646075
sounds like fun - 64 bit dos.
 
2:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know. I am really talking about prejudice here (I wasn't referring to Bartek but to people on the Internet at large).
 
who you calling large
 
Your mom.
It's a compliment.
 
> TempleOS is an x86_64, multi-tasking, multi-cored, public domain, open source,
ring-0-only, single-address-map (identity-mapped), non-networked, PC operating
system for recreational programming.
 
user1646075
> A troll might ask, "Why not just use DOS? It was ring-0-only and
single-address-map." Actually, they wouldn't because many people would say,
"Cool idea! I'm gonna dust-off DOS right now and have some fun!" DOS is 16-bit
with segmentation, though, which is awful. TempleOS is 64-bit, flat,
non-segmented and multi-cored. It's like a modern, souped-up, multi-tasking,
cross between DOS and a Commodore 64. It has a C64-like shell with HolyC, a
dialect of C/C++, instead of BASIC. It was written from scratch, and not even
 
user1646075
2:14 PM
HolyC - didn't notice that at first.
 
Ell
HolyCrap
 
OMG! :D
 
user1646075
Dammit that's great name. RUST? WIDE? D??? Bah!
 
I guess it's safe to assume that their codebase has a lot of...
... god objects.
YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
 
user1646075
heheheheh
 
user1804599
2:16 PM
@Ell google-code-prettify
 
or maybe just one
"Our source code is monotheistic so we only use one god object."
2
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes FTR I consider it impressive. His mental health and egypt are just good memory hacks. I also remembered that it was written in x64 assembly.
 
user1646075
All the rest are false god objects. And will be smote.
 
> Windows, Linux and VMware to support RedSea file system so I can get rid of
2,000 lines of redundant, blemished code -- FAT32 and ISO9660. God's temple
must be perfect. Redundant code for multiple file systems is imperfect.
 
2:19 PM
The Father, the Son and the Holy Boost.Spirit
 
Ell
@TheForestAndTheTrees heh
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz RedSea file system? So I assume it has 2 partitions
 
> God said 640x480 16 color
yeah I'm not reading it (again) today
 
wtf Microsoft
given that their excuse for never fixing a fucking thing in their updates is "it might break code that someone relies on", I like how in update 4 they seemingly deprecated half of winsock2, and haven't even documented it on msdn
 
When I tell my linker to link with some lib like " -lGL " --- where is that library actually located? How do I find out?
 
2:24 PM
You can ask the linker to list all locations it searches.
Some verbosity flag or something.
Check the docs.
g++ -v -v -v does it for me.
 
@jalf really?
because I haven't noticed that
 
Ell
what the hell. My element renders correctly as soon as I Inspect Element, then when I close firebug it stops rendering properly...
 
Xeo
@Ell Inverse Heisenbug?
 
hi hi fireshit
 
2:27 PM
@Xeo quantumbug, @Ell changed the outcome by observing it
 
@BartekBanachewicz they're generating "deprecated" warnings for inet_ntoa, gethostbyname, WSAAsyncSelect at least. There may be more, but I haven't gotten to them yet
 
no black friday discounts for far cry 4
what kind of black friday is this
worst black friday ever, fuck this
 
Ell
chromium renders it incorrectly in both cases
also when will flash die already
 
@jalf bullshit, I'm building against update 4 and using those functions
 
Xeo
@Ell never ;_;
 
2:29 PM
@Xeo oh man you're still stuck with it?
 
Xeo
kindabutnotreally
 
you should come and work here
 
Xeo
I've coded C# for the last two days
and C++ for 95% of the time the last months
 
Why do so many Boost docs use using namespace?
2
It's so fucking dumb.
 
Xeo
brevity!
 
2:30 PM
using namespace has no place in real code and it has even less of a place in documentation.
I want to know in which of the namespaces that were murdered are the functions located.
I want to know if things are to be ADLed or not.
 
Xeo
hehehe
 
People using using namespace are dumb.
 
speaking of that, I was reading some papers about trees today and saw this
vi tree; //remember that we defined vector<int> as vi
7
as in, previously
 
@AlexM. Best comment ever.
 
Xeo
...
 
2:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes because boost::system::what_was_that is too long.
 
Use using boost::system::what_was_that.
 
user1804599
@Xeo my condolences
 
Xeo
eh
 
Hell, use namespace bs = boost::system.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes look, if you're so smart, rewrite the examples and submit a pull-request.
 
2:38 PM
using namespace is so far down the list of solutions it isn't even worth thinking about.
 
bitching around without doing any attempt to prove your point is just so dumb =\
 
cpx
I always avoid using using namespace for reasons I forgot or maybe I don't know.
 
user1646075
@Abyx What's to prove? he made a point, doesn't need proving.
 
oh btw Emscripten is switching to llvm-3.4
 
2:44 PM
ffs
 
@Abyx I already explained everything! You can also rewrite them and be smart now!
 
user1646075
@jalf count to 10
 
plz die, VC++ team
 
@jalf oh, a murder threat
 
user1646075
@jalf What's deprecated now? int?
 
2:47 PM
you hve to call it auto m8
 
cpx
Didn't know there was a popular question on it.
 
user1646075
hah
 
no, they just can't decide whether or not they changed the signature of swprintf
the warning says one thing, the compiler another
 
why doesn't mcdonalds deliver?
 
user1646075
That's a really scary suggestion.
 
2:48 PM
the huge amounts of orders would probably be too much
 
warning: "hey, we added a count parameter so it actually matches the spec". Compiler: "fuck you, what's the count parameter"
 
cpx
I started using autos for STL iterators.
 
I can always see at least 12 customers in line at our mcdonald's here
any time I go there
 
cpx
For the rest of things, I don't mind typing.
 
user1646075
but one average Ford Courier van could carry the ovens and two teenagers in silly hats
 
2:49 PM
KFC delivers here but under very special conditions
it's a partnership with Pizza Hut
if you order very specific pizzas you can also add very specific KFC food to your order
it's mostly useless if you ask me
because you have to really like those specific things to make use of the offer
 
oh you have got to be kidding me
is it telling me that swprintf and _swprintf have different signatures?
 
I am still not much smarter where my GL lib (for example) is located
 
@CatPlusPlus are people still not getting this?
 
@salbeira Did you check the output of g++ -v -v -v?
 
@TonyTheLion cuddle up with them?
 
2:52 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes loads and loads of text ...
which -- option is responsible for the linker?
 
@salbeira Which you have promptly ignored?
 
Hello, I have the following code:
template <class L, class T>
void sort(L <T> &list) {
...
}
 
Cool.
I have some code too.
I don't use it instead of "Hi", though.
 
But C++ don't wants to compile it, and writes 'L is not template'
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I apologise; I looked into it further and it is using CryString. — cybermonkey 51 secs ago
frak me
 
2:54 PM
@QueueOverflow std::sort
Use that.
 
@QueueOverflow L is a class, not a template.
 
--libexecdir ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You need template template.
 
o_0 @CatPlusPlus what sort of philistine am I? Using transport belts indeed. I should just have swarms of flying logistic robots instead!
 
@Jefffrey How to do it correctly?
 
2:55 PM
Don't.
 
Is it somewhere specified that when I link with -lGL that there is a file somewhere called GL ?
 
@QueueOverflow Like template<template<class> L, class T> or whatever the syntax is. But don't. Just use std::sort which uses the more C++-like iterators.
 
or ist that GL an alias for some other file?
 
@salbeira It's probably libGL.something.so.
 
@Jefffrey It's the minimal example. The real task is more complicated. I will try.
 
2:56 PM
Likely with a simlink named libGL.so that points to it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is a member function with a different const-qualifier an overload?
 
Is there some way to construct an object at compile-time and use some constexpr-calculated value that depend on the constructor arguments as template parameters?
 
Use transport belts for high throughput production.
 
template <class L>
void sort(L &list) {
 
Basically, a declval but an actual object
 
2:57 PM
Fixed.
A what.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He probably needs L::value_type or whatever the convention is.
 
OK. Let's drill down:
template <class L>
void sort(L &list) {
T element = list[0];
...
}
 
@QueueOverflow You can also use decltype for the element type.
 
@QueueOverflow auto or decltype or value_type.
 
2:58 PM
@QueueOverflow auto element = list[0];
or something
Probably auto is better.
 
@Jefffrey it is :-p
 
Yeah.
 
I love how Jonathan answered the same questions as I did with an answer that doesn't answer it and got more upboats
 
Why is nobody discussing factorio in lounge<factorio>?
 
I don't play that shit.
 
2:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I came across this question this morning and came to the conclusion you need black magic like in the answers to extract a constexpr value from a class.
 
@Jefffrey 'auto' is the part of C++11, so... I will think.
 
@thecoshman lol no
 
@rubenvb What.
 
@QueueOverflow So?
 
I can't make sense of anything you've been saying.
 
3:00 PM
@Jefffrey I just did
@R.MartinhoFernandes why? :(
 
@QueueOverflow value_type.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm playing Nomic, and I'm playing nine or ten games of Diplomacy (I can make it ten or eleven if the Lounge wants to play one!), and I am headed for 400 hours of TW:R2 soonish.
 
when --libdir=/usr/lib , will subfolders be searched too? And how does the linker know that , (as it seems here) the lib to link -lGL to is in $libdir/nvidia/libgl.so
 
Ell
@rubenvb I don't think so
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see. But it's not shit!
 
Ell
I don't think you're allowed to construct objects at compile time
 
3:02 PM
@QueueOverflow Don't you even try to tell me you don't want to use C++11 because X.
Don't you dare.
 
To phrase the question more towards my actual goal: Where do I have to cp my own library into when I want to link to it using " -lMyLib "
 
@salbeira From /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ or something like that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Basically, I'd like a thing like this: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b2748ff5c8dd5c29
But I know declval can't do that.
 
@Jefffrey I have one 'X'. And I dare to say it :D
 
@salbeira to whatever -L points to, duh.
 
3:03 PM
And I was disappointed I couldn't find anything that could do that.
 
Nothing can get values from runtime into compile-time.
Next.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well that's bullcrap for a start
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but it's a compile-time value.
That's the point.
 
3:04 PM
No, it is not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, it is, you can get it by at least two ways, see the answers: stackoverflow.com/questions/27045453/…
 
std::stringstream ss;
ss << "g++ mycode.cpp -DMACRO " << rand() << " -o myProgram";
system(ss.str().c_str());
 
The index of a type in a variant is a compile-time constant.
 
@BartekBanachewicz how do I find out where -L links to? to link to , for example -lGL I do not specify -L
 
@rubenvb Neither of which uses the result of which.
@rubenvb But not the value that is stored in a variant object.
That the two things have the same value doesn't make them the same thing.
 
3:06 PM
@QueueOverflow Let's hear it.
 
Ell
@rubenvb also didn't you just link to an answer to your question? :P
 
@salbeira have you tried googling it?
 
@salbeira -print-sysroot
 
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@salbeira From /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ or something like that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK. I get that. So in principle if variant made everything related constexpr (which and the constructor), a constexpr thing would be possible using which?
 
3:08 PM
Yes, but that would probably need magic.
 
constexpr variant is impossible?
 
Can you placement-new in constexpr?
 
In no config file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ I find a link to the nvidia directory
 
Is it in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? There are some two or three sources for those search directories.
 
Can I look into LD_LIBRARY_PATH by echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? Cause it's empty here
 
3:13 PM
Then I don't know where else.
I doubt it is burned in the executable, which is the only other source I know.
 
g++ -print-search-dirs
oh, runtime
ldd ./myapp
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh wait. Maybe I am the one that got confused by that, and not you.
 
I still wonder how it resolves the -lGL to the actual path to the lib
 
by searching in all its search directories
 
> Are my conjoined twin and I allowed to have separate accounts or do we have to share one?
 
3:14 PM
or -lpng or any "nice to read" option
 
the -L flag allows you to add to those search directories
 
Ah yeah there I see that the program is linked to the /usr/lib/x86_64_linux_gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1.2.0
which is actually included in the /etc/ld.FOO
 
don't confuse linking for build with linking at runtime
don't be like the robot
;)
 
Though I still want to know where I need to put my custom library .so file when I want to specify linking a program to it with a sweet short option like -lGL or -lpng for libGL or libpng etc.etc.
 
3:19 PM
I just told you
 
Well obviously the -lGL gets resolved to some kind of elongish name
in some way I am not realy clear of
 
> -l library: The linker searches a standard list of directories for the library, which is actually a file named lib_library_.a. The linker then uses this file as if it had been specified precisely by name.
and I told you how to find the directories
you have everything you need
 
user1804599
> Note that some abstract characters may be associated with multiple, separately encoded characters (that is, be encoded "twice"). In other instances, an abstract character may be represented by a sequence of two (or more) other encoded characters.
 
user1804599
What's the difference between those instances? :v
 
only thing I'm confused about is that it doesn't seem to talk about .so there
 
3:24 PM
Ah that explanation of -l was what I needed
 
also "The linker then uses this file as if it had been specified precisely by name." is not true
if you use relative paths to specify a library explicitly by filename then it's different
but never mind
yeah basically it's just a lib prepended and .a or .so appended
disclaimer: I think
 
That means if I copy my lib to , for example , /usr/lib/libMYLIB.a I can link to it using the option -lMYLIB
 
not sure how ldconf fits into this maybe
should be like that yeah
 
yay then I can finish by buildscript
I guess resoucefiles that a lib uses are placed under /usr/share/MYLIBRESDIR
 
user1804599
Ohh I see.
 
user1804599
3:27 PM
Thanks.
 
Thats what someone told me at least
 
@rightføld Why are you reading old versions of the Unicode Standard?
 
user1804599
That was the document I was linked to.
 
user1804599
> The Unicode Standard Version 7.0
 
user1804599
Lemme find the latest one.
 
user1804599
3:30 PM
> The latest version of the Unicode Standard is Version 7.0.0.
 
everyone knows unicode is a hoax
 
Hmm. Can't find that passage.
 
user1804599
Chapter 2
 
Oh wait.
My mistake.
 
user1804599
But I get it now.
 
user1804599
3:30 PM
I misread the first sentence.
 
Why would I need backups when my PC is basically flawless and will never crash?
 
@EtiennedeMartel the hell
 
What's the betting...
> A neighbour, who wanted to remain anonymous, told BBC News: "They were trying to pull a couch up to the first-floor apartment with ropes. Was apparently too heavy. The fence broke off and fell on the workmen below."
Yeah, there you go. Duh.
 
I want to go home
I'm so fucking tired
 
3:43 PM
Meanwhile....
> Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced the make-up of her new senior ministerial team, with an equal split of male and female members.
I'm sure this is the optimal combination of people with regards to their skills.
 
That's an interesting conclusion.
 
And why aren't the androgeny represented???
@EtiennedeMartel It's a sarcastic conclusion.
 
That being said, cabinet ministers aren't really selected with regards to their actual skills.
 
1 hour ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I want to know in which of the namespaces that were murdered are the functions located.
Yeah just like how you also want to know in which namespace the type that you are using is located. autoops.
> The first minister added: "Every member of the cabinet is part of this government's top team on merit, on the basis of the excellent work they have already done as ministers."
 
Assuming that this is referring to the infamous Exchange development kit [sic] you may be in a bit of a bind. I'd suggest either retrieving a copy of VS6.0 and using that, or try to find a supported SDK. — sehe 24 secs ago
poor sod
 
3:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If your editor doesn't tell you that, switch editors.
 
Speaking of editors...
 
My editor doesn't tell me that and I love it.
 
When I need to know, let me spell it out
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't like to rely on editors to read my code for me. The whole point of higher-level programming languages is to make code human-readable so, if you need an editor to decipher it for you, you've already failed
 
3:47 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit auto is not good for docs either. I've mentioned it before.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah in docs it would be wholeheartedly ridiculous
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've also mentioned that :F
 
@Goons_TXT You _basically_ don't need them then :/ Cheers (leave a note to burglars to tell them about your arrangement)
 
AAA sucks. If nothing else will convince you, consider that Herb preaches it.
3
 
#taking-it-serious-not
 
3:49 PM
:P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wait a minute. You're not allowed to be cynical--you're the person I look to for ponies and rainbows when I start feeling too cynical. Now I'm feeling lost and uncertain about what's wrong with the world.
 
<3
^ What could possibly go wrong?
 
@JerryCoffin There's plenty of stuff wrong in the world, but don't worry, we'll deal with it. Everything is going to be just fine.
 
one headshot at a time
good job
Hey, what did one robot say to the other?
 
3:52 PM
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
Nothing, because there's only one Robot.
 
Haha.
Oooh.
What about "Did I say that out loud?" out of nowhere?
 
I usually use it as a reusable punchline, but I guess it can work on its own as well.
I.e., for once the answer is "no".
I should not be revealing my lousy humour algorithms.
 
> The Labour leader said that although the MP may have not intended to cause offence, her actions had "conveyed a sense of disrespect".
>
> "I was angry because I thought her tweet gave a misleading impression, when she photographed the house in which the family lived, that somehow Labour had the wrong view of that family," he told reporters as he entered a meeting in London.
>
> "It's not the view we have of that family. Labour's never had that view of disrespect. I'm afraid her tweet conveyed a sense of disrespect."
hahaha
politicians hilarious
they don't even bother to pretend to sound sincere any more
 

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