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1:00 PM
it really would be a bit of an arseache for us too. libs shared between six or seven projects and the whole lot would have to be retagged and rebuilt when half of them are stable and GA'd - try convincing management that this is a worthwhile thing to do. not to mention updating the toolchain on our ancient build server and I really don't want to touch that in the middle of tight deadlines for other projects
 
I never tested my future much (it was just for a PoC), so I'd be interested in knowing if it had any interesting failures.
 
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@AlexM. build a VM and keep the fuckers out of it
 
i do want to do it sometime tho
@R.MartinhoFernandes nothing so far
 
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also ++hate_auto_in_all_situations;
 
recall my C++03 version ended up looking a little different though
 
1:02 PM
I wouldn't want to touch any working C++ build chains either
It's like poking a nuclear device
 
@aclarke really? because I hate typing out std::vector<long_ass_type_name>::iterator foo
 
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@CatPlusPlus exciting?
 
when I could just type auto foo = vec.cbegin()
 
@aclarke the fuck
 
I need to redesign my website home page :|
 
1:04 PM
About as exciting as stabbing yourself in the eye
 
@CatPlusPlus Completely harmless?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In theory
 
> Mostly Harmless
 
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@Mgetz just the risk of losing compiler assistance. I'm totally over vagueness in typing. I make more mistakes on that than spolling mistaiks on names.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes unless you poke through it
 
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1:05 PM
i've suffered too much at the hands of dynamic languages (yes, imperative ones)
 
I want a better design for loungecppdotnet too
 
@aclarke uh what
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's not poking.
 
Type inference is not dynamic typing
 
@aclarke auto is also verified statically. See above.
 
1:06 PM
@aclarke I've worked in many different languages, and auto doesn't change the type or remove that fact it's statically typed.
 
Ell
Morning
 
user1646075
what am i trying to say - I don't want to have to think what something is. If I need to look and think, fukkit spell it out as you design it.
 
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you have to think about it's shape anyway.
 
user1804599
Dynamic languages are not necessarily dynamically typed.
 
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@rightføld no, not necessarily.
 
1:08 PM
@aclarke I'll be brutally honest and say there are a lot of cases where the type doesn't matter, e.g. iterators. I really don't want to have to figure out the crazy syntax for someone's insane interator. I'll just use auto
 
@aclarke the point is that in some cases you don't need to know the exact type, and that's what auto is for.
 
user1804599
auto is for everything.
 
automate everything
2
 
user1646075
@Mgetz I never said ALWAYS -: just hate everywhere
 
user1646075
somewhere - fine!
 
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1:08 PM
but pick your fights.
 
@aclarke that's hellishly convoluted way of saying that
 
Infer everything
 
I'd also rather infer everything than java.
 
user1646075
I'm sure a common wisdom will settle out in the next few years.
 
inb4 Bartek says Haskell is common wisdom.
 
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1:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what, we hate reasons now? I shit, I should have just blurted my opinion, and hurled insults at the nay-sayers.
 
@aclarke common wisdom has already settled out, I linked it earlier. C#'s var started this debate years ago
 
wait posted from wrong acc
 
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@BartekBanachewicz who gives a rats arse about java.
 
Ell
I wouldn't want to infer everything
 
user1646075
@Mgetz mehhh, we'll see
 
user1804599
1:10 PM
I wish the compiler inferred everything.
 
@aclarke I didn't hate your reasons. I said the way you expressed it made it unclear.
 
user1804599
I wouldn't have to do anything at all!
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz it's very late...
 
@aclarke We already saw.
@aclarke it's 2pm
 
user1646075
just checking a few webtoons, maybe join a lounge shitfight, that sort of thing.
 
user1804599
1:10 PM
Silly downunders thinking it's late.
 
user1646075
24:10 here
 
@Ell module boundaries not because docs
 
user1804599
lol "24:"
 
@aclarke you live on another planet?
 
user1646075
and yes, you can say 24 (although probably only as far as 24:00)
 
1:11 PM
Not really
 
except no you can't
 
@jalf Oooh, nice. I wonder how he planned it.
 
user1646075
no, but 24:00 is legit.
 
it's really not
 
user1646075
really, it is.
 
1:11 PM
Well I guess if you move everything one hour up
 
user1646075
Ask a US marine
 
@aclarke 0000hrs
not 2400hrs
 
Oh, the transfer window planner.
 
Ell
I just woke up :3
 
user1646075
it's amazing how many times this argument plays out!
 
1:12 PM
Sounds like long stretches of coasting were involved.
 
24:00 makes no sense if the next thing is 00:01 hth
 
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And if it isn't then you broke everything
 
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@CatPlusPlus probably - I was probably overreaching there
 
oh fuck
24:00 is actually legit
my bad @aclarke
anyway 24:10 is certainly not
 
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1:13 PM
HA-HAAAAHHH!
 
user1646075
i expect not ;-)
 
> Midnight is a special case and may be referred to as either "00:00" or "24:00". The notation "00:00" is used at the beginning of a calendar day and is the more frequently used. At the end of a day use "24:00". "2007-04-05T24:00" is the same instant as "2007-04-06T00:00"
 
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so, it's 00:14
 
Gotta try that.
 
1:14 PM
it's explicitely specialcased :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did long stretches of coastline. I walked 11km today. Now back at bar.
 
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it's a great one to argue about for maybe 5-10 minutes, then you hit 'em with fact.
 
Still dumb
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah. We should propose a revision that forbids that :F
 
@BartekBanachewicz 24:00 based ... not exactly special case ... it's the same as 2 or 16 based
 
1:15 PM
Is there even an ISO time standards commitee you can submit revisions to?
 
user1646075
vote on it in the nomic
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, 23:59:60 is totally a thing...
 
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@BartekBanachewicz science, bitches!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's leap second!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't be too certain about such crap. It sets you up for disappointment and despair.
 
1:15 PM
T_T date/time handling is hard
 
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@BartekBanachewicz ha-hhaaaa again!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
Fuck leap seconds
 
@aclarke you can't use this for regular seconds
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes why, it IS legit? Now I'm going to argue against. Not that I really know
 
1:17 PM
@aclarke this particular case isn't, he was talking generally
> The section dictating sign usage (section 3.4.2 in the 2004 edition of the standard) states that a plus sign must be used for a positive or zero value, and a minus sign for a negative value. Contrary to this rule, RFC 3339, which is otherwise a profile of ISO 8601, permits the use of "−00", with the same denotation as "+00" but a differing connotation.
help.
 
user1646075
ok. thought he was referring to leap seconds.
 
user1804599
I want to work on my compiler.
 
user1646075
@BartekBanachewicz also help with the same concept in some maths. My eyes glaze over.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, neat
 
> The irregularity and unpredictability of UTC leap seconds is problematic for several areas, especially computing. For example, to compute the elapsed time in seconds between two given UTC past dates requires consulting a table of leap seconds, which needs to be updated whenever a new leap second is announced. Moreover, it is not possible to compute accurate time intervals for UTC dates that are more than about six months in the future.
Oh god
 
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1:19 PM
oh now we're all fucked.
 
also pretty monstrous rocket to begin with. That probably helps
 
> The arrival_time specifies the arrival time at a specific stop for a specific trip on a route. The time is measured from "noon minus 12h" (effectively midnight, except for days on which daylight savings time changes occur) at the beginning of the service date. For times occurring after midnight on the service date, enter the time as a value greater than 24:00:00 in HH:MM:SS local time for the day on which the trip schedule begins.
 
the world is in ruin
 
From the General Transit Feed Specification.
 
can't trust UTC anymore
 
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1:20 PM
I always wanted to be fucked.
 
what do I do now
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes bahhh.
 
Stupid AM/PM hotel serves home-made pizza from 1200PM to 0900 PM. Fuck me if the restaurant was open at 0200. I'm gonna complain...
 
Time           | Arrival Time
08:10:00 A.M. 	08:10:00 or 8:10:00
01:05:00 P.M. 	13:05:00
07:40:00 P.M. 	19:40:00
01:55:00 A.M. 	25:55:00
 
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@BartekBanachewicz burn Haskell books
 
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1:20 PM
@rightføld stay positive - it's sure to happen one day. Pro Tip: smile at someone cute.
 
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I don't want to be positive.
 
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@rightføld you're clearly a master
 
user1804599
I know.
 
user1646075
i read that as "waaa waa waa I don't want to be positive waa waaa waaa"
 
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Minion.
 
1:21 PM
@MartinJames wat
 
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Also Tomalak's avatar is too similar to Telkitty's when 16x16 px.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't get me started on fucking timetables.
 
inb4 Kerberos breaches on the leap second
god
 
lol Kerberos
 
> He also wanted to keep Greenwich Mean Time in Britain, and "warned" that it would drift towards the United States.[40] An article in the Times science section suggested that the abolition of leap seconds would mean the demise of Britain's role in timekeeping.
 
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1:23 PM
@rightføld don;t worry, kitty has had that for almost 2 days now, so it's overdue for a change.
 
it's getting worse every paragraph
 
@rightføld at first I was like
"wait, did I plonk LRiO?"
 
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Of course I did.
 
why would you plonk LRiO, you monster!
 
user1804599
How else would I see both his and Telkitty's avatars in 16x16 near each other?
 
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1:24 PM
Oh he was annoying one day.
 
user1804599
Haven't unplonked him since then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that makes sense
all those "<3 rightfold" gone to waste
@AlexM. lol
 
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speaking of avatars, I might finally be able to change the name too. wtf with the 30 days between major changes. Sheesh
 
this one is only temporary. I'm choosing my new selfie to coincide with the introduction of WINTER BASH 2014 yeahhhhhh
 
UK has a role in timekeeping? I thought the French.were doing that, along with maintaining the standard kg--
 
1:26 PM
@MartinJames greenwich dude
 
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fuckin' Ay. now about 3 days for the cache to be flushed.
 
The Time from NPL is a radio signal broadcast from the Anthorn Radio Station near Anthorn, Cumbria, which serves as the United Kingdom's national time reference. The time signal is derived from three atomic clocks installed at the transmitter site, and is based on time standards maintained by the UK's National Physical Laboratory (NPL) in Teddington. The service is provided by Babcock International (with which former providers VT Communications merged) under licence from the NPL and is funded by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. The signal, also known as the MSF signal (a...
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit too bad about propagation delays.
 
@MartinJames Technically, the IPK is not in France.
The BIPM HQ has extraterritorial status.
 
@aclarke they get calibrated out
it's not like Anthorn just sends out a sequence of blips and leaves you to it
it's equivalent to GPS's ephemeris data
 
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1:28 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit with a very accurate dressmaking tape measure.
 
@aclarke pretty much
we do a bunch of work with NPL on this stuff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can I get a job there? The bars must be open 24/7.
 
compensating for propagation delays with eLoran is atmosphere and ground-contour dependent. which is fun.
pfft lame flag
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit relies on multi-signal or averaging?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Loran still lives??
 
1:30 PM
@MartinJames oh yes
 
user1646075
She still gets around
 
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... and puts it around, I've heard.
 
@MartinJames GPS is trivially jammable and spoofable so you need something else as backup. LORAN is used at sea anyway. Galileo is a nice try but (a) it doesn't work yet, and (b) it is also trivially jammable and spoofable
@MartinJames naturally though the politicians keep turning stations off cos they don't get it
the US turned all of theirs off, but I don't care about that. shoot themselves in the foot for all I care. brings us business for GPS interference mitigation technologies =)
ah ffs some tosser edited the LORAN wikipedia page into the past tense again
american wankers
 
> 1841 was a non-leap year several years before the birth year of the oldest living US citizen when the language was designed.
lol fuck
 
1:33 PM
What
 
@aclarke I don't remember actually
 
GPS spoof/jam could be defeated by steerable high-gain antennas and stored almanac data.
 
@MartinJames More or less. Though you need fresh almanac every four hours or so to maintain your 16ns lock
 
@MartinJames For a long time I actually thought it was in Switzerland.
 
Ell
I don't understand time
 
1:34 PM
Even with a directional high-gain antenna someone can just completely wipe you out with a 1W jammer
 
But no, it's just a few acres in France. No bars, I guess.
 
and with spoofing, well, you have to detect it first
 
..though my tomtom would probably get fucked up.
 
@Ell How deep.
 
Ell
Time is a tool you can put in the wall or wear it on your rizd. The past it far behind us, the future doesn't exist
 
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1:35 PM
No.
 
@MartinJames the concern is more about the GPS-powered equipment in police cars and whatnot. not just for navigation but for everything else
GPS on planes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol Galileo.
 
> A correction involving doubling the storage allocated to timekeeping on these systems will allow them to represent dates more than 290 billion years into the future.
lol
 
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You cannot wear time.
 
concentrated attack on banking infrastructure
 
user1804599
1:35 PM
You can wear a time measurement device.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Only if you designed the antenna/receiver:)
 
it's trivial to do without being expected and your system, unless you spent £999999999999999999999 on it, is not going to be prepared for it or even recover, most likely
 
GPS satellites and launches into useless orbits don't quite fit together.
 
@MartinJames eh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you prolly could buy Earth with that amount
 
1:36 PM
@Ell The fuck is a "rizd"?
 
@BartekBanachewicz can i buy just the non human parts please
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wrist
 
Ell
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 2 - TIME: youtu.be/vtkGtXtDlQA
 
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@rightføld And you cannot "do" time, although you can "do lunch", which is a kind of time.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes a wrist spelled incorrectly
 
1:37 PM
Also, I'm thinking of TiME again.
SPACE BOATS!
 
Ell
Have you guys not seen this video ^?
I thought everyone had seen it
 
user1804599
I have not.
 
oh cool Mars day is longer by an hour
 
Ell
Watch it
 
1:38 PM
I'd like longer days on Earth :F
 
Fuck off flaggots. PITA on my mobile app. I can barely chat as it is.
 
@rightføld Only one
 
@BartekBanachewicz No?
 
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@sehe ?
 
TIL security guards are now "security patrol professionals"
 
1:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes well ~40 something minutes
> This yields a conversion factor of 1.0274912510 days/sol. Thus Mars' solar day is only about 2.7% longer than Earth's.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, they get paid. I have a lot of respect for security staff and often get them pizza etc. It's a good investment- when you need something urgent done at night, they are in charge.
 
@MartinJames is the pizza cooked by "pizza preparation professionals"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If I'm hungry, I'll call them anything they want:)
 
1:47 PM
@BartekBanachewicz: There's a difference between loquaciousness and making things obvious. The different sign-interpretation you speak about is dwarfed as a miniscule part of the aliasing problem, as I emphasized above. — Deduplicator 39 mins ago
the hell is loquaciousness
 
a word
!define loquaciousness
pffft so
 
> tending to talk a great deal; talkative.
 
> adjective
> 1. talking or tending to talk much or freely; talkative; chattering; babbling; garrulous: "a loquacious dinner guest."
> 2. characterized by excessive talk; wordy: "easily the most loquacious play of the season."
 
why do far right parties have such puerile names
"Golden Dawn"
"National Revival of Poland"
"Falange"
 
"Boobs haha"
 
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1:48 PM
yay - the SO cache has flushed out fast - for IT. My work here is done.
 
Noun: loquaciousness (uncountable)
  1. The state or property of being loquacious.
 
I'm hungry now, but the bar doesn't start food till 1400, so 12 mins to wait..
 
(Hilarity ensues?)
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gosh
 
Adjective: loquacious (comparative more loquacious, superlative most loquacious)
  1. Talkative or chatty, especially of persons given to excess conversation.
 
1:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes guess I just forgot the command
 
@AlexM. Because it's seen as romantic?
 
yeah y'know what?
 
define: thing
 
define: okay
 
@jalf what do you mean?
 
1:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes loquacious, Adj: exhibiting loquaciousness
 
@AlexM. National romanticism is basically what those parties are built on
 
WTF dictionary wars?
 
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@AlexM. so that it's clear how sensitive they are deep down.
 
user1804599
What is express in Factorio?
 
user1804599
Just like fast except faster?
 
1:51 PM
yep
 
most of our parties just have retarded names instead. The Radical Left is the most centrist party we have. The main right-wing party is called Left. :)
 
@rightføld lvl three belts, even faster than fast belts :P
 
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@rightføld it misses 4 out of 5 stops, and only runs in peak hour.
 
I don't think fast inserters can load faster than fast belts unload
 
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@thecoshman ah, nice.
 
1:52 PM
Am I the only sober poster today?
 
@jalf you mean its members are as puerile as they seem?
I got it
 
user1646075
@MartinJames Sober in the small sense, or sober in the sense that you've realised you need to radically change you lifestyle?
 
'puerile'... click..tap...
 
@AlexM. yeah, pretty much
 
> WE HAVE A DELIVERABLE, OpenXanadu™.
lol how did I get here
Released in 2014 :allears:
 
1:54 PM
@CatPlusPlus HAHAHAHAAH
That's so funy.
 
> NO LINKS YET
 
Do you know it's "Open" because you can see it, not because it is open source.
 
60 years in the making
 
@CatPlusPlus well yeah, there's a big difference between having a deliverable, and actually delivering it :p
 
@GuruAdrian I am changing my lifestyle. Due to the storms yesterday, I was stuck in my hotel room and spent the whole day without any alcohol whatsoever. Today, I am trying to catch up.
 
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1:57 PM
@MartinJames oh that sounds terrible! Acts of God are so unfair.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nah, just 54.
 
I'm rounding okay
 
user1646075
I guess the minibar was already empty.
 
It really doesn't make a difference :v
 
I may die soon, batt down to 10%
 
1:57 PM
I don't get latest what-if
 
Ell
I wonder what syntax highlighter I should use
 
@jalf "NO LINKS YET" means it doesn't have link functionality, not that there are no links to the deliverable.
 
> We foresaw in 1960 that all document work would migrate
to the interactive computer screen, so we could write in new ways
 
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@Ell Pygments.
 
the interactive computer screen
 
1:58 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh
 
somehow I doubt by "we could write in new ways" they predicted we'd sit here literally (sic) beating the shit out of each other over the internet
 
@GuruAdrian I don't use the minibars 'cos stupidly high charges.
 
@CatPlusPlus the hell is this
 
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emmm. But ... 24 hours!
 
@BartekBanachewicz correct, though your sentence structure is a bit weird there, you foreigner
 
Xeo
1:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ahahaha, it's awesome
 

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