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2:07 PM
mmm, it's nice to remind meself that I can actually cook food
 
dat pun
 
phpBB seems to have acquired the most useful features of dicsourse
 
phpBB lol
forgot that even existed
 
2:12 PM
phpBB
 
while I was meddling with forums I was always using SMF
 
I remember all those security holes
 
vBulletin was too expensive
 
I tried SMF recently and it's rather meh
 
2:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Could be true. I mean, I stopped using phpBB kinda around 2008.
 
Well going by Secunia advisories that's true
I'm not sure that includes all CVEs
 
user1804599
I wish I were a polar bear.
 
phpBB 2 had a horrible security track, 3 was always much better
 
I'd say phpBB is by far the least bad open source PHP forum software.
 
What the fuck why are my cron entries disappearing
 
2:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus do you have a cron job set up to delete them?
 
No I'm dumb and looking on wrong server
 
> No I'm dumb
Well.
 
buh. I always overcomplicate these problems. When you're doing proof by contradiction, how do you "negate" the statement correctly? Just take the opposite of the first part?
 
Math is not programming
 
Math is pure!
 
2:25 PM
what do you mean? Don't think about it so literally?
 
You "negate it correctly" by showing the contradiction, not some magical incantation
 
well take for example, "the product of any two rational numbers is a rational number." Would I want to say "suppose the product of two numbers is an irrational number", then show that the other two numbers are irrational? Eg, m/n * g/k = c. That feels wrong
 
(Unless we're talking about some assisted proof systems like Coq, but that is a bit more complicated story :v)
 
or Idris :)
or Prolog
 
@corvid are you still going on with that
 
2:28 PM
Not sure Prolog qualifies
 
blargh, I watched Stephan Lavavej "STL Features And Implementation Techniques" from CppCon and now I'm a little bit annoyed. The video recommends doing template<class T> struct X { template<class U, class _T = T, class = typename T::foo> void f (); }; to conditionally enable X<T>::foo based on some requirement of T, talking about how template<class T> struct X { template<class U, class = typename T::foo> void f (); }; of course doesn't work
 
Prolog automatically proves negatives for you
 
But then again
Coq is shinier
 
I hate solutions such as that, namely because it breaks the promised interface of X<T>::foo (ie. if we say that it is only to accept one template parameter, don't make it accept 3(!)
 
2:29 PM
@AlexM. I have no idea what I am doing
 
@corvid that's obvious since last year
 
have you tried... googling?
 
what's less obvious is why after a year you still haven't gotten that idea
 
I wasn't doing this a year ago
 
Ell
Hm. Not sure if I should bother making pointers multiple dispatched or just leave it with references
 
2:30 PM
because you know yesterday I googled "contrapositive" for you and when I told you what I found you were like HOLY SHIT WOW
 
Ell
my experiment is p much complete now anyhoot so I'll just move on I think
 
which kinda tells me that you didn't google for shit
 
more importantly
teach me C++
 
I did google this but irrational numbers throw off the whole algebraic part
 
In logic, the contrapositive of a conditional statement is formed by negating both terms and reversing the direction of inference. Explicitly, the contrapositive of the statement "if A, then B" is "if not B, then not A." A statement and its contrapositive are logically equivalent: if the statement is true, then its contrapositive is true, and vice versa. In mathematics, proof by contraposition is a rule of inference used in proofs. This rule infers a conditional statement from its contrapositive. In other words, the conclusion "if A, then B" is drawn from the single premise "if not B, then not...
the example there
I'm not sure how it can be made much clearer
 
2:33 PM
The picture is of the Quebec parliament.
Which is not in Ottawa.
 
I did that part, the algebra is the hard part
 
Oh, Fox News...
 
@corvid l2math then, I guess
 
okey so
Wreorder is bullshit
 
Ell
2:36 PM
I can't get oglplus to build hmm
 
I guess no one is reading my rant, but if you really want to pollute the template arguments like that; please do so in a manner that doesn't just accept any arbitrary type instead of the type you are interested in
Stephan T. Lavavej, I are disappoint.
 
> As one example, a static data member can have incomplete type
TIL
 
declarations vs definitions, woo!
 
sehe, Thanks again. I spaced and didn't even think to update the sample. Your answer is spot on. — Peter Hubner 59 mins ago
Meh. Gimme rep pointz :)
 
you know what
fuck that
I'll just take that test
 
2:41 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp Your rant seems silly.
 
no point in revising the language I've been using for the past 10 years
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like C++ isn't silly in general
 
Your rant seems silly in the context of C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but it bugs me that someone with such a broad audience range recommends something without mentioning the side-effects of such implementation
 
The side-effects are negligible.
 
2:42 PM
> The questions will become increasingly difficult if you are doing well, or will become increasingly less difficult if you are doing poorly. As a result, no matter how proficient you are, the test will seem quite challenging, and you should not expect to answer every question correctly.
wow.
how common is that?
 
Adaptive Tests. Very common.
 
now I'm scared :/
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz study a little
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's designed to counter the problem that people cite for doing tests: "I choked"
 
what does "choking" mean in this context?
 
2:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes obviously I don't agree with that, especially not from a perspective in terms of code-safety (does the code do what the developer accidentally assumed?). Anyhow, I'm off for a little cleaning season
*ploff*
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Yes, and you not agreeing with that is silly.
 
Xeo
What's going on?
 
with what?
 
lolwat
the disk my friend gave me is somehow protected
i can only read
what black magic is that
 
@Jefffrey somebody cast a Write Protection spell on it
 
2:47 PM
It was made 30 years ago and still has a RO jumper
 
Xeo
haha
 
Ell
you'll have to take it to the local warlock to remove the enchantment/curse
 
Ell
oglplus work please
 
the hell you're doing Ell
 
2:48 PM
I might really go with the partition scheme
 
The partition scheme to end all schemes
 
I guess there's nothing I can do, right?
 
> Each question is a multiple choice question with five possible answers. Of the five answers, up to three may be correct.
 
To the HDD, I mean
 
oh holy fucking fuck
 
Ell
2:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It won't configure
 
No really check for the jumper, maybe it actually has one
 
Xeo
Jeez Braket, stop freaking out.
 
@Ell and it fails silently?
 
Ell
-- OGLplus library can be built
-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
 
@Xeo I can't stop I'm freaking out
 
2:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus You are talking to me?
 
No, the other people complaining about read-only disks
 
> Lose credit for each incorrect answer you select.
Lose credit for each correct answer you fail to select.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz this sounds p tough
just do some revision and you'll be fine though
 
@Ell wait for it
> The answers themselves are also weighted. Some wrong answers are considered 'less reasonable' than others.
 
Ell
whatever the test is on
 
2:49 PM
TIL Calling a base class function can also be done outside of member functions.
 
this is the epicness
> Similarly, some correct answers may show more insight and understanding than other correct answers to the same question
 
@CatPlusPlus Wouldn't a jumper prevent him from writing too?
 
@BartekBanachewicz people who say "I know the subject, I've studied it, but I can't perform under pressure. The first question was just too complex right away and I panicked"
 
My Physics exams were like that.
Didn't find it a problem.
 
@sehe I see
 
2:50 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Well, you know Canada isn't very big, so they can't be very far apart. :-) [Closed captioning for the humor impaired: Yes, I do realize that Canada is the second largest country on earth.]
 
@Jefffrey I doubt RO jumpers still exist
 
From what I understand it's an hardware piece of magic that hardwarely prevents writes.
 
It's a way to take away luck in multiple choice tests.
 
it sounds reasonable
 
@JerryCoffin They probably just looked up "Canada parliament" on Google and called it a day.
 
2:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel As news goes, I guess it's not a whole lot worse than usual. At least they didn't accidentally pick the British parliament.
 
That would have been hilarious.
 
Are you now complaining that education got something right? That they fixed testing to be more realistic and actually worth something?
Did you forget you used to rant that your college only tested whether you were able to repeat stock responses to stock questions without understanding?
Are you backpedaling?
Make. Up. Your. Mind.
 
@sehe this is actually a good test, compared to the ones I took at my uni
or seems like a good one.
I'm just a bit nervous.
 
I love it. Who cares how it works. As long as you know the stuff
 
2:54 PM
@sehe Yea, I know.
 
Ell
I bombed two of my exams that were on the last day
 
Terrorist.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice.
 
@Ell The last day of what?
 
Ell
@FredOverflow of my exam season
 
2:57 PM
Do you have to wait 1 year now for another chance?
 
Ell
Yeah I do
well, they are in june
12th june, 16th june for maths
physics are 11th and 18th
I'll put them in my calendar actually
meh google calendar really sucks
 
lol
What's better?
 
Ell
3:12 PM
I don't know
they all seem to suck
 
@Ell you think so? I think it's good actually.
I really like how easy it is to have multiple calenders, so I can work stuff on one, bin collections on another, money stuff, holiday things etc.
 
user1804599
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@Ell maybe you just don't like calendars?
 
Ell
@thecoshman maybe :P
the agenda view sucks though
I mean it's a great way to view things but they made it annoying to use
 
@Ell oh yeah, that's true. But so many colours.
I tend to just use the 'next 7 days' view.
 
Ell
3:15 PM
I want to be able to see all my future events
showing the repeating ones only once of course
 
@Ell Agenda does that, but only so far into the future, though you can tell it to load further. Not sure if you can set a default for how far into the future to show.
 
Ell
@thecoshman yeah I know, but it only shows 6 items at a time :3
 
@Ell no
 
Ell
it does for me
 
Maybe you just don't have much to show :P
 
Ell
3:18 PM
I do, because it excludes the old events that I want to see with numerous people's birthdays :L
 
it does sometimes show things that are already gone in the agenda view.
 
@rightføld To the point
 
@rightføld It's Brazilian.
 
@rightføld that gravity view is cool.
 
3:21 PM
It's even WTFier if you know what it means.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that sounds drunk to you right?
 
user1804599
Twitter used to have a translate feature.
 
user1804599
Anyway: Liax is a faggot.
 
@rightføld oh, keep him (it is him right?) away from flames!
 
So I type random garbage in a C++ file, ask for a build, and...
> 0 succeeded, 0 failed, 5 up-to-date, 0 skipped
Visual Studio is making my day horrible again.
 
3:29 PM
Garbage in garbage out!
 
UB
 
3:50 PM
peeps. don't slip into a coma just yet
 
@sehe How about if I slip in a comma, instead?
 
That would be a VeryBadPun, however graciously accepted as a sign of life
 
@sehe At least slipping in a comma is better than slipping on a banana peel.
 
I hate rubby config DSLs so much
 
> Bartosz has achieved an overall score of 97 across all sub-skills in this subject.
2
:) :) :)
(97/100)
 
3:59 PM
Was that the adaptive test you fretted (frit?)?
 
Geez. Get a grip next time
 
config.vm.define "management", :primary => true do |mgmt| I think it takes only two arguments??? FUCK IF I KNOW
fucking rubby
 
I can't even read that
is that a lambda?
 
4:12 PM
It's a start of a block passed to a method
3
A: What's the Ruby equivalent of Python's defaultdict?

tessiYou can use the first argument of the Hash.new method for that: d = Hash.new 0 d[:new_key] += 1 d[:new_key] #=> 1 d[:foo] #=> 0 Be careful - you might accidentally change the default value: h = Hash.new("Go Fish") h[:unknown_key] #=> "Go Fish" h[:unknown_key].upcase! #=> "GO FISH"...

laffo
 
user1804599
hi :D
 
@rightføld Hello.
 
And of course symbols don't hash to the same thing as corresponding string
Goddamn manual interning
 
user1804599
Why would they?
 
user1804599
Strings shouldn't be hashable actually since they're mutable.
 
4:16 PM
They wouldn't, because there shouldn't be symbols in the first place
Choice of syntax: cluster: :management, :cluster => :management
rubby so beautiful
 
Hello
 
hi
 
Let's rock
 
user1804599
/me rocks
 
Ell
4:32 PM
@CatPlusPlus what's wrong with that?
 
> Be careful - you might accidentally change the default value
 
lol
Cat is everything terrible?
 
keep it DRY
 
its raining
therefore its wet
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus isn't this how python works? mutable default value? also just don't do that :3
use a block
 
4:37 PM
a block of sandstone
 
@ScottW Not much, and by that I mean really close to nothing. In a really remote place and heating it with a fire. You?
 
@AlexM. red?
 
Ell
d = Hash.new(){"Go Fish"}
 
@Ell That doesn't make it good or not funny
 
Ell
^there you go, non mutable default argument
 
4:38 PM
lol
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus I thought you were supposed to be good at rubby :P
 
Nobody is good at rubby
 
being good at rubby would probably be offensive to cat
 
@Ell "Good" and "rubby" don't belong in the same sentence together.
 
s/bad/terrible
const char* good = "good code";
 
4:45 PM
@ScottW no no write code how I want you to
 
@TonyTheLion char const *code = "good"; // my code is good.
 
dat pun
 
char const *other_code= "xyzzy"; // not so good code
@TonyTheLion A puny pun (but punny nonetheless).
 
hows Jerry been?
 
user1804599
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, not bad. Pretty good, as a matter of fact. How about you?
@ScottW Why do you wish that?
 
@JerryCoffin not too bad
works still mad though
things still breaking everywhere
I feel like I'm support now
rather than a developer
famnit
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah--I thought you said things were likely to settle down soon, but you still seem to be too busy to chat much.
 
yea its madness
I don't know how anyone can write software this terrible
oh wait....
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Boo, C++03!
Can I take that test for C++11 somewhere?
 
4:58 PM
@Xeo The testers have barely gotten to the point that the tests are fairly competent for C++98. It'll probably be years before they figure out C++11 well enough to produce meaningful results for it.
 
Xeo
meh
 
user1804599
@Xeo Boo, C++11!
 
@TonyTheLion I've been working a 'small bug' these last two weeks or so, on a feature released about two years ago. It's more or less completely broken, so bad it can't of been tested to even the most basic level.
 
yea
its the fate of a developer
 
Ell
5:17 PM
Hmm I need to set textContent to a unicode string in javascript
 
I need to take a shit
 
Ell
also my javascript keeps crashing the browser :L
 
@Xeo I don't think you can simply go and take this test, but you can google around
@Xeo also C++11 is "C++ PROGRAMMING (C++11 ISO STANDARD) November 2014"
so should be available soon
 
user1804599
All types are immutable.
 
Ell
5:37 PM
Who wants to help me write a math typing webapp
 
@Ell what for
what's math typing
 
Ell
I want to be able to type maths as quickly as I can type prose
typing prose is quicker than handwriting prose but typing maths isn't
 
use latex
or mathjax
 
Ell
I have to type in latex or mathml that way though
which kind of defeats the point
I want to see the maths as I type it
the rendered maths
 
user1804599
Preview like Stack Overflow has it for Markdown.
 
5:40 PM
@Ell you can render it live
@rightføld SO uses mathjax IIRC
 
user1804599
No, it doesn't.
 
user1804599
 
oh right
 
user1804599
> Partitions elements in fixed size iterable collections.
 
If I write a library which I deem to be a "system library" does that grant me permission to use double underscores? (E.g is tbb justified in using the naming rules for system libs.)
 
user1804599
5:42 PM
holy shit I wish knew this was in the library earlier
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Does it implement the standard library? No. So no.
 
Neither does windows.h.
 
user1804599
Yes, but Windows.h is terrible.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's not the same as being able to type inline in rendered form imho
basically I don't want to see the mathml/latex/any of the internal stuff
 
@Ell you mean like in MS Word?
that's fucking shitty
 
Ell
5:46 PM
I don't have MS word so I don't know tbh
 
might seem nice at first but it's ultimately uselessly crappy
 
Ell
how come?
 
navigation around formulas is counterintuitive and annoying
stick to flat text.
 
Ell
if it can be counter-intuitive then there can be an intuitive way
flat text is terrible for navigating around with lots of levels of nesting
 
@Ell using mouse is even worse
 
5:48 PM
@StackedCrooked No
 
and navigating around graphical formulas with just keyboard is even even worse
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah
@BartekBanachewicz why?
 
@CatPlusPlus k
 
@Ell well try it for yourself :v
 
It's reserved for C++ implementation
 
Ell
5:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know where I can do this :P hence wanting to write it myself
 
I felt it's bad. It's just my opinion.
 
@StackedCrooked Basically, you'd have to agree it with the compiler vendor and/or other system lib vendors.
 
@Ell Install Word trial?
or dunno, maybe the web word version has it
 
Wide employs many double-underscored names in it's implementation.
but not in the compile-time C++ side.
 
Where then?
You have non C++ sources?
 
5:51 PM
Probably internal symbols
 
user1804599
LLVM IR.
 
lol, recipe says it makes 18 cookies, we got 5 :P
 
@StackedCrooked I have runtime-C++ symbols.
 
Loungers are very good at following instructions
 
for example, if you convert a Wide type to a C++ type, then that C++ type has to have a name.
so I use a double-underscored one.
 
Ell
5:53 PM
@Puppy howcome?
 
because I get to guarantee that no user can use it and therefore you can't clash with it.
I've only got to care about the Standard library implementation and Clang internal symbols.
if some other library makes use of __DEADBEEF, let me know so I can totally not care.
 
The best thing about Jack Reacher movie is the boobs of the lawyer woman.
They seem natural.
 

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