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3:02 PM
@MartinJames it has? What's the difference? I tried to look up both and see no difference
 
The term garderobe describes a place where clothes and other items are stored, and also a medieval toilet. In European public places, a garderobe denotes the cloakroom, wardrobe, alcove or an armoire. In Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, German and Spanish garderobe can mean a cloakroom. In Latvian it means checkroom. According to medieval architecture scholar Frank Bottomley, garderobes were: The term is also used for a medieval or Renaissance toilet and for a close stool. In a medieval castle or other building, a garderobe was usually a simple hole discharging to the outside into a cesspit...
 
except for the additional meaning of "garderobe" being a name for a medieval kind of toilet
 
@ArneMertz Sounds like a place to keep a huge pile of dirty clothes.
 
well, so some medieval people went to shit in the same corner where they stored their clothes.
What does Mr poop say?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I try to avoid shitting in my pants
 
3:14 PM
@thecoshman You have to admit it makes it easy to keep them dirty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn't admit shitting in your pants is a fine way to keep them dirty. That said, I'll maintain my usage of porcelain,cisterns and the public sewerage system.
 
Aw man, I got reminded of std::dynarray and the "Runtime-sized arrays with automatic storage" :( I had managed to ignore it for a long time.
 
Xeo
:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..and so you just had to ruin all our days by reminding us too?
 
Yes.
@meetingcpp I don't get why we needed *one* of those features, but getting *two* of them just sounds like an elaborate troll to me.
 
Xeo
3:21 PM
@JerryCoffin Anything you want me to inflict upon him on Friday?
 
Hey!
Losing at everything should be enough.
 
@Xeo Hmm....I'll have to give that some serious thought. Maybe do a little like the divorce attorney who wanted more business, so he hired aspiring models/actresses to go flirt with married men at hotel bars/restaturants, then when they "discovered" the guy they'd just been teasing was married, give them the divorce attorney's business card...
 
Are you saying he should punish me by hiring women to flirt with me?
 
Xeo
lol
 
"legacy issues"
C++ is a legacy issue
 
3:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes More or less -- except I'm sure with his magnetic personality, he has lots of women who'll be happy to do it just as a favor.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm...maybe better: hire a few really good looking transvestites to flirt with you...
 
-- wait!
That wasn't in the original plan.
 
I'll take the women
thanks
 
Xeo
In your case, Cat, all you'd do is drink yourself into a coma as soon as they enter your flat.
 
@CatPlusPlus Good luck with that.
 
@CatPlusPlus The amount of nonsense people championing that VLA-ish crap spew is incredible.
Neither of those features acts like C VLAs (they differ on purpose).
 
3:29 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence
but yeah :(
 
Xeo
Hey, that's just how you come across!
Even on mumble where you don't want to speak because of your accent-complex or something.
 
I hate me
 
> He was a member of the C++ standards committee and has a master’s degree in general linguistics. He’s now pursuing a PhD in linguistics.
 
Speaking of that, where's Waldo ThePhD.
 
I know someone with a master's degree in computational linguistics. He never shuts up about how much bullshit linguistics is.
 
3:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus I was very close to setting up a notted ThePhD account myself. If I could easily come up with some convincing derpstorm stuff, OpenGL, maybe, I would have tried it :)
 
You can't replace ThePhD :<
 
> August 27 at 00:30 Lift up your eyes and look up at the night sky. On this night, the planet Mars will pass just 34.65 million miles from the earth. To the naked eye it looks like two of the moon above the ground! The next time Mars will be so close to the Earth as much as in 2287.
kek
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If that's from the master of linguistics, maybe he should still work on a doctorate (he's clearly failed -- there were still a few phrases I could almost understand).
 
Everyone is reinventing std::pair without the generic part lol.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow, I didn't realize the orbit of mars had changed so much!
 
3:48 PM
 
Can we expect dangerous tidal effects? :)
 
@JerryCoffin Nah, just the usual bullshit making the rounds of the Interwebs.
 
@MartinJames Expect a major tsunamai (sometime within the next decade, for some sufficiently loose definition of "major").
 
nullptr can be implicity casted to bool?
 
Hi all. Do you think it's a good idea to replace at least some of the links to cplusplus.com with links pointing to cppreference.com? I've been doing that lately and been (advised)[http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/194788/links-being-changed-to-cppreference-com] to ask a question on meta before continuing.

I think it's worth to sample the general attitude here before spending time crafting a question outlining pros and cons.
 
3:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why doesn't DELL offer a 24" with 16:9 AR? They have 23" with 16:9 and 27" with 16:9, but 24" with 16:10 :-(
 
Interesting thought though. If mars was to approach so close to earth as to appear the same size as the moon, what the terrestrial effects would be? Hmm.. angle distended depends on mars r^2, gravity separation r^2 and mass, but mass mars r^3.. OK, I'm cancelling my seaside vacation..
 
@jons34yp You've already seen DeadMG's opinion in his answer to the existing question on Meta. My own opinion is that although I prefer cppreference.com in general, I'd only edit in a case where the specific linked page was in error, or at least clearly inferior.
@FredOverflow Short answer to all similar questions: because Dell sucks.
 
@MartinJames How close would that be? I don't think tidal effects would be the biggest worry.
 
@JerryCoffin The U2312HM got really good reviews.
 
Any effort to kill cplusplus dot com is a good effort
 
3:58 PM
@MartinJames Assuming the density is similar to the one of moon, the tidal effects would be 2 times stronger compared to tides caused by the moon.
 
@FredOverflow Most reviewers are on Dell's payroll or just so ignorant they don't realize how badly Dell sucks.
 
@JerryCoffin Do you have a better suggestion for a 24"?
 
@FredOverflow sure (as long as price doesn't matter). :-)
 
@jons34yp Ok, thanks. Lanzarote is out, then :)
 
@JerryCoffin I don't wanna spend more than €500.
 
4:05 PM
Well, it's disheartening to see that my work PC is considered less powerful than a XBox 360 by CryEngine 3.
 
@FredOverflow More seriously: I think it's a question of panel availability. Nearly all 24" monitors (regardless of vendor) seem to be 16:10. Personally, I'd probably go for an ASUS PA249Q. Also 16:10, but unlike the Dell, it uses a 16:10 pixel count, so at least the pixels are still square. Should still be within budget.
 
@JerryCoffin 72 Watt, holy shit.
 
I hae a 24" 16:9 panel.
 
@FredOverflow The Dell is rated at 70.
 
Really? It says 38 Watt on amazon.
 
4:14 PM
The 72 and 70 are maximum ratings. The ~30 that Dell likes to quote is a "typical" rating (which ASUS doesn't provide, but given essentially identical maximums, the typical is also likely to be very similar).
 
@JerryCoffin Are you serious about the square pixels?
 
> I haven't seen a Dell U2410 but I've played around with its twin brother, the Asus PA246Q which uses the exact same panel and electronics.
interesting
 
Sigh. Autocomplete just stopped working, again.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. The Dell uses a 16:10 panel with 1920x1080 resolution. The 249Q is also a 16:10 panel, but with 1900x1200 resolution.
 
@JerryCoffin Who the hell designs this crap?
 
4:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The same people who designed the IBM EGA, apparently.
 
Hm? Both U2410 and U2412M are 1920 x 1200.
 
@FredOverflow The one you mentioned earlier was the 2312.
 
The 2312 is 16:9, not 16:10.
 
Maybe that was just a typo though?
 
What was?
 
user1804599
4:22 PM
@CatPlusPlus :effort:
 
user1804599
@sehe Yeah, probably. Maybe even USTREAM, but I don't know if that allows custom access control per stream.
 
user1804599
Like, secret streams that you need a secret token for.
 
Imagine you were passing several things in a struct - say, a reference to a window, soundplayer, etc. What would you call it?
 
user1804599
A lack of SRP.
 
user1804599
Unless I'm not understanding you.
 
4:33 PM
Hrm. Should I pass what I need individually?
 
user1804599
Give a concrete example. You're vague as a noob.
 
Um... I was making things (I call them rooms, but that is probably misleading), that each have a draw() and update() function. But, to do things (say, draw, or play sounds), they need to be passed that. I am just thinking, I might end up passing a lot of things.
 
no you won't.
 
user1804599
OH NO PASSING ARGUMETNS
 
user1804599
Better than updating state from everywhere.
 
4:37 PM
Thats how I did it before :D
 
@FredOverflow 2312 vs. 2412?
 
@Pawnguy7 Make it work first, make it look pretty after it works.
 
(I.e., there is a 2312, but maybe you intended to type 2412?)
 
user1804599
Noo!
 
user1804599
Make it perfect immediately.
 
4:40 PM
@JerryCoffin There are both. 2312 is 16:9, 2412 is 16:10.
 
user1804599
Otherwise it will be "fuck it; it works" later.
 
Xeo
16:19? That would be cool
 
@FredOverflow Now there's definitely a typo.
 
@Pawnguy7 When it works, you'll know what the requirements are.
 
user1804599
I wonder how well vertical monitors work for coding.
 
4:41 PM
@not-rightfold "fuck it, it works" is a perfectly valid approach ;)
 
True. I suppose I can alter it then, if needed.
 
HOW IS IT TUESDAY AND I JUST LEARNED NEIL ARMSTRONG DIED ON SATURDAY?? #BestFirstEver #RIP #OneSmallStepForAMan http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/science/space/neil-armstrong-dies-first-man-on-moon.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Poor thing is about to learn that Neil died on Saturday last year
 
Xeo
lol
 
@not-rightfold It works fairly well, except that nearly all editors (and such) assume landscape mode.
 
@not-rightfold You can have more bugs on the screen!
 
user1804599
4:45 PM
Unless you use Befunge!
 
@JerryCoffin but something like msvc gives you quite a bit of flexibility in terms of lay out that 'assuming' landscape involves changing default settings
 
Is it a good idea to make const what can be const?
 
user1804599
I'm buying a 3D pen so that I can set a 3D signature on legal documents.
 
@Pawnguy7 sure
 
user1804599
Make const the unchanged.
 
user1804599
4:49 PM
Document ur codez.
 
@TonyTheLion Example: Alexander the Great (died at age 33) had less of a life than Neil Armstrong (died at age 82).
 
@Pawnguy7 Item 21: Use const whenever possible
 
@StackedCrooked He's changing that one, btw.
 
He is?
To what?
 
T const f(); is nasty now.
 
4:51 PM
@Pawnguy7 const is subtle, learn how it works before you put it everywhere
I would use it when it buys me some benefit, but sometimes I just can't be arsed.
I really can't be arsed to write both const and non-const versions of a function ;)
 
user1804599
Did you really mean to untemplatize the parent class? — Andy 37 secs ago
 
user1804599
wat
 
@not-rightfold Ghost edit.
 
user1804599
Oh, I see.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless T has no move constructor.
 
user784668
5:03 PM
@FredOverflow In which case it's nasty because you're wasting your precious time to write six characters.
 
I miss declaration and definition in the same file.
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 Better idea: write Haskell. Everything is const unless you try really hard.
 
Oooh, @Xeo, have you been reading the thread on a power operator on the Asylum?
It's the awesome.
 
Xeo
Eh, not really
Got a highlight for me?
 
It's almost like they are all trolling each other (but sadly, it appears they are serious)
Since making the parse tree of every expression to depend on name lookup is a great idea.
 
Xeo
5:09 PM
lol
 
user784668
Hey, it happens in Haskell. Cue fixity.
 
Xeo
If only variadic packs were actually built-in tuples.
 
user784668
And presumably other operator-overloading-happy languages too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah.... I was as surprised as you.
7 hours ago, by Borgleader
@CatPlusPlus I lost 10 rep on meta, and it triggered my inner paranoid. Because of a comment he made last night. So I checked his profile and it couldn't find the page. I can't see him in the users list either.
 
Apparently all this because people in economics don't see C++ as a "real numerical alternative" to Fortran.
"because they can't figure out how to do simple operations they take for granted in other languages"
 
5:15 PM
If I forward declare class A, can I call members on A pointers?
 
Xeo
Instead of investing ourselves in C++, we should invest into a time machine and travel back to whenever Bjarne first worked on C with Classes.
@Pawnguy7 no?
 
user784668
@Xeo And kill him.
 
Xeo
err, no
 
@Pawnguy7 Is C++ a dynamically typed language? :)
 
I didn't think so either, but somehow it built.
 
user1804599
5:17 PM
@Pawnguy7 Depends.
 
user1804599
If you also define it, yes.
 
user784668
@Pawnguy7 Because some stray #include provided the full definition.
 
Ah. That is probably it.
 
user1804599
Modulée!
 
user1804599
D!
 
5:18 PM
Hi again. I've opened a question on meta wrt. general replacement of links to cplusplus.com with links to cppreference.com. If anyone have anything to say for/against cplusplus/cppreference, please see here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/194820/…
 
user1804599
Significant declaration/definition order is retarded.
 
user1804599
8
A: Links being changed to cppreference.com

DeadMGWhen the original reference is to cplusplus.com, then YES. That site is notorious for being inaccurate and generally bad in a very large number of ways, at least amongst those of us who have had the misfortune of visiting it. I downvote all answers that link there without hesitation, much like I ...

 
user784668
@not-rightfold for all X where X is a thing inherited from C, X is stupid.
 
user1804599
@Fanael BUT ARGH FUCK THE LACK OF DESIGNATED INITIALIZERS.
 
@not-rightfold Agreed
 
user784668
5:21 PM
@not-rightfold Compile your designated-initializer-heavy code with a C compiler.
 
user1804599
:D
 
user1804599
I'd rather use, you know, a C# compiler.
 
user1804599
> urgent
 
user1804599
> pls
 
user1804599
5:22 PM
Yup, downvote.
 
15 more rep before I can particpate in downvoting :(
 
@Chemistpp 16, it costs rep to downvote answers.
 
user1804599
@Borgleader Screenshot? I lost it.
 
I don't have 10k =/
 
@Borgleader shit. I don't get rep for downvoting. I may never join the war.
 
user784668
5:23 PM
TIL that fundamental-mode and text-mode differ.
 
@Chemistpp Just gave you 5 downvotes
 
plz plz plz
 
@FlorisVelleman lol.
 
user784668
@FlorisVelleman you misspelled -5
 
user784668
5:26 PM
@chris You're not Mysticial.
4
 
user784668
However, there are some blind men in the Lounge who think your avatars look the same.
 
Is there any good online tool to replace my method of pasting a screenshot in Paint, selecting some, and uploading that selection to imgur?
 
SO gets flooded with school homework qs eh?
I bet that is miserable.
 
@Fanael At least I'm nice enough to do it :p
 
@chris snaggy?
 
user784668
5:27 PM
@Chemistpp Good thing the Lounge doesn't.
 
I remember taking the course back in school. I avoided the labs like the plague. "Why isn't my code working"
 
@chris tyty /cc @not-rightfold here you go
 
was the best question ever
 
user1804599
DANKJEWEL <3
 
eer, maybe the only question
and the worst one
 
user784668
5:28 PM
Is having sockpuppets acceptable on the SO?
 
@chris Snippet tool if you're on windows?
 
@Pawnguy7 Looks great, thanks.
 
@Fanael Multiple accounts yes, sock puppets no, AFAIK
theres probably a meta question about this
 
@Borgleader I would immediately upvote any question with a link to an explanation that is a video of sock puppets, solely for you.
 
If I am taking fullscreen shots, then it pretty much works out of the box (like for the screensaver). For non-fullscreen, you could do whatever, but I generally use the snipping tool (on Windows 7).
 
5:30 PM
@Pawnguy7 I hold alt?
 
alt printscreen gives you the whole window right?
 
@Chemistpp I usually do that. Doing that and then using Snaggy looks best for me.
 
I think printscreen by itself works for me.
 
@Pawnguy7 Then you can't fit it into a smaller window as easily.
 
but the snipping tool adds a cool red border - alt+printscreen doesn't
 
5:32 PM
@JerryCoffin I'll try to shoot the U2412M on eBay, and if I don't like it, I can always return/resell.
 
What difference does holding alt make? Never tried it.
 
@Pawnguy7 It's the active window.
 
alt printscreen captures the active window
 
Ah. That is useful.
 
I like how the snipping tool half fixes my quivering hand.
 
5:35 PM
@Pawnguy7 Oh, this is really useful. No more manual window cropping for me :)
 
there should be shift, hold left click, printscreen, drag, release for arbitrary screenshots
 
@Borgleader I could make one.
 
I just discovered something called google's C++ coding style
 
@chris I like how sniping tools fix my quivering hand at eBay :)
 
@A.H. Don't use it. It's bad.
 
5:35 PM
@A.H. Stay away.
 
@chris are all coding styles like that?
 
@FredOverflow Heh heh.
 
@A.H. The Google C++ coding style is very specific to Google's needs, and it sucks for general projects. For example, they forbid exceptions. No exceptions -> no RAII. No RAII -> no modern C++.
 
user784668
@A.H. Kill it with fire.
 
I see the lounge loves it...
 
5:36 PM
Do they have other styles? I don't think I ever looked.
 
user1804599
No RAII + no C++ -> love.
 
@not-rightfold Why don't you go hide in a corner and write Erlang code? ;)
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 The style that gofmt uses.
 
user784668
@FredOverflow I don't think that "no exceptions" implies "no RAII".
 
@FredOverflow sounds terrible
 
user1804599
5:37 PM
@FredOverflow ERLOVE
 
user1804599
ERBANG
 
user1804599
<3
 
@Fanael Well, a major advantage of RAII is exception safety.
@not-rightfold ERGASM?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow A major in RAII is exceptional.
 
@Fanael Good luck with ctors.
 
5:38 PM
@not-rightfold You can have static factory methods that return null pointers instead or something.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey, "no exceptions" implies "no failures. At all. EVER".
 
user1804599
Just terminate on error.
 
user1804599
Have another process fix it.
 
@Borgleader Now I actually want to do something like that. Hold some key down and then click and drag with the mouse while doing it. Then if the first key/mouse button pressed is printscreen, take a screenshot of that area and save to the clipboard. Maybe I could even figure out how to upload it to imgur and put a URL on the clipboard :p
 
@chris Do it, you'll be rich ;)
 
5:40 PM
Need to think about what conflicts with dragging while holding which keys.
 
@Fanael That said, IIRC GSG recommends two-step initialisation or some such bullshit.
 
I could make it do what you actually press if you don't press printscreen after, but that's not really an ideal solution.
 
user1804599
I'm hungry.
 
user1804599
Let's eat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So GSG for C++ recommends C?
 
user784668
5:41 PM
@Borgleader 'zactly
 
> If your object requires non-trivial initialization, consider using a factory function or Init() method.
 
I have been sick since Saturday :(
 
Eh, I'll just use caps lock for the modifier :p
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow gadverdamme doe normaal.
 
> If your project recommends GSG, consider changing professions
3
 
5:43 PM
@Borgleader Fuck... sorry, I went AWOL. Was in a meeting.
 
@Mystical What's that? Constructor does not actually construct?
 
@Mysticial Don't worry. I subbed in for you.
 
@not-rightfold What does that mean? TMI?
 
As you can see on the star board.
 
user1804599
struct foo() {
    foo() { system("rm -rf /"); } // it's a destructor!
};
 
user1804599
5:43 PM
@FredOverflow "eww, act normal"
 
@chris Yeah I saw it. Added my star because you're not me. :)
ahahaha
 
user1804599
Do you want to get sicker and sicker or something? Cleanse yourself.
 
@FredOverflow broken response?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow lolwut
 
@Mysticial What? I have never heard the term two-phase init.
 
5:45 PM
@FredOverflow You replied to robot's comment, but had a @Mysticial on it.
 
@FredOverflow It's when the ctor does nothing and you always have to call some bullshit init() function.
 
user784668
@Mysticial No, it's @Mystical.
 
@Mysticial Oh. That's... weird!
 
@Mysticial HAHAHAH YOU fell for it.
 
user784668
@Mysticial lrn2read ffs
 
5:46 PM
This is awesome.
 
@Borgleader Think doing it and just blocking all holding caps lock and dragging, but putting in a notification icon to turn it on/off and exit would work?
 
What the fuck just happened? lol
 
@Mystical How did you do it?
 
@chris Don't know I've never really attempted something like this.
@FredOverflow I call hax.
 
@Borgleader Well, it would work, but from a usability perspective.
 
5:47 PM
@FredOverflow I did it by removing an "i".
 
There's probably something that does this already, but eh, good practice.
 
@CatPlusPlus What happended, ragequit?
 
user1804599
inb4 ban
 
@chris How about shift printscreen and then monitor the next click-drag?
 
Wait... So did I get trolled without even knowing it?
 
5:49 PM
@Borgleader That could work. And any keys would cancel it and go through, while the first left click would be ignored.
 
lol, if I click on the Robot's avatar, I see Mysticial...
 
@FredOverflow dafuq
 
user784668
@FredOverflow No, you don't.
 
So the robot just renamed himself, and some caches haven't been flushed, I guess?
 
I'm calling it a success.
 
user784668
5:50 PM
@FredOverflow Yes.
 
@Mystical Hahahahahaha oh that is so beautiful
 
That's not magic, that's just lack of pressing F5 often enough.
 
oh... lol
wtf
 
I was expecting serious magic.
 
user1804599
It's a mystery.
 
5:51 PM
The flush caches.
 
user1804599
Time to eat.
 

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