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10:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus again, that's how you call it
 
No, that's what it fucking is
 
@Mysticial 21 downvotes..
 
people usually deny their mental problems
so, uh.
 
@Rapptz The OP just got suspended.
 
user457812
10:00 PM
I am perfectly sane.
 
Oh fuck off
 
@nil see?! :)
 
"— I don't need a smartphone! — I GUESS YOU HAVE BRAIN PROBLEMS"
 
@Mysticial How?
 
@CatPlusPlus now, back to reality, I honestly think you are a bit too reluctant to new
 
10:01 PM
http://stackoverflow.com/users/2247002/rick-barry
"This account is temporarily suspended to cool down. The suspension period ends in 7 days."
 
Yeah I saw, but how? And well.. for what.
 
@BartekBanachewicz FFS, let him be.
 
no idea
 
@TonyTheLion k
 
I don't see any bad comments - probably taken out by a mod if it was the case.
 
10:02 PM
I'm not reluctant I just don't jump on every new thing
 
user457812
Smartphones are mostly useless.
 
I also don't spend large amounts of money unless I have to
 
Think it is a bad idea to learn openGL 2.1?
 
sushi
 
user457812
@Pawnguy7 Likely a complete waste of time now.
 
10:03 PM
Sushi is delicious and I definitely need it
 
I spend much more money on food than on my phone
 
uh, I do too
 
user457812
Stick to GL 3.x and higher, basically. GL 2.x and such still had the fixed-function pipeline and that's all dead and/or emulated.
 
user142019
Skype is wonderful.
 
10:04 PM
food is damn expensive :/
 
user142019
That piece of shit listens on TCP port 80.
 
@Pawnguy7 3.3 is way to go
 
user142019
Who the fuck thought that that was a good idea. Oh wait. The guy who decided didn't think at all.
 
@Zoidberg I mentioned it a while ago
 
@Zoidberg Skype does?
 
10:04 PM
I prepay my account once a year and that's about it
 
Bummer.
 
Mar 6 at 8:45, by Bartek Banachewicz
Also, I remember why I got rid of it; it blocks TCP 80 :/
 
Is there a way I can test openGL support besides SFML?
IT says 2.1, but it might just be it./
 
@Pawnguy7 glewInfo
 
user142019
Though Skype still works fine if you stop it, start another server on port 80, and then reopen Skype.
 
10:05 PM
SFML is as shitty of OpenGL checking as it might be
 
user457812
Does glxinfo still exist?
 
@Zoidberg you can disable it in options
@nil dunno. glewInfo is really comprehensive
 
user142019
What does it use port 80 for, anyway?
 
So I might get higher than 2.1? I hope so.
 
user457812
I just use my own code for testing GL stuff.
 
10:05 PM
@Zoidberg alternative incoming calls
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
Skype y u no use ports above 1024.
 
@Zoidberg alternative
for blocked networks
 
user142019
Oh.
 
so disable it god dammit
what's the problem.
 
user142019
10:06 PM
That should be disabled by default.
 
user142019
Because it is guaranteed to break other programs.
 
I think so, but your whining won't change that
also 99% of people don't run webservers
 
user457812
Just hit it with a hammer or something
 
zomg c++11 solved another of my problems herb has new post
 
user457812
That'll fix it.
 
10:08 PM
0
Q: In generic object update loop, is it better to update per controller or per object?

KlaimI'm writing some generic code which basically will have a vector of objects being updated by a set of controllers. The code is a bit complex in my specific context but a simplification would be: template< class T > class Controller { public: virtual ~Controller(){} virtual void update( T&

sounds like a question for @Mysticial
 
lol, not with that many templates... I'll take a look at it anyways though.
 
that many templates?
Somehow my code broke g++
34 seconds to compile 94 lines
No templates
 
what have you done?
 
@Rapptz Looks like the guy's downvotes are all over the place. It's definitely not on one person.
 
nasal demons are runtime crap
 
10:11 PM
@Mysticial He's a bit weird.
 
And the stuff he's downvoting are borderline posts.
 
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A: In generic object update loop, is it better to update per controller or per object?

Bartek BanachewiczModern compilers are able to swap loops, so it shouldn't really matter for you.

 
So it seems to be an experienced user, who probably created a new account to downvote or something.
 
?
They can?
 
I don't understand the point of that question
 
10:12 PM
I don't get this.
> "Measure! Measure! Measure!" you will say and I fully agree, but I can't measure what I don't use. The problem is that it's generic code. I don't know the size of T, I just assume it will not be gigantic, maybe small, maybe still a bit big. Really I can't assume much about T other than it is designed to be contained in a vector. I also don't know how many controllers or T instances will be used. In my current use cases, there would be widely different counts.
 
What does the instruction cache have anything to do with that?
 
Yay windowed WA working with no issues
 
@Rapptz ask @Mysticial
 
It's amazing that a game from 1999 works better than some games from 2010
 
10:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus WA?
 
Worms Armageddon
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's just one compiler. MSVC, and GCC both failed to interchange.
 
Which you should all get
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah
 
Oooh.
 
10:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Last I checked they couldn't. I even remember his 6k+ vote answer saying it was miraculous that Intel's did it.
 
It's on Steam
 
I recall WA requiring a ton of hacks to get working
 
Atrocious answer. Downvoting. — Bobby Jones 4 mins ago
I don't see what's wrong with that answer
 
Works out-of-box
 
@JerryCoffin I don't really remember how learning TMP works.
 
10:14 PM
There was some fan patch that was practically required to play online. (this wasn't with steam though, original CD)
 
Two people are maintaining this game
 
@TonyTheLion He's going on a downvote spree.
 
AWFUL question. Downvoting. — Bobby Jones 52 secs ago
 
For free even I think
 
What's the policy for announcing downvotes?
 
10:15 PM
@EtiennedeMartel "-1 announced a downvote"
 
Some mods say it's NOISE but then again they say that about every comment so
 
He can't downvote anymore
 
GLEW says I have 2.1 as well.
 
He ran out of rep
Unless you don't lose the privilege.
Now he got suspended.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Bobby Tables > Bobby Jones
 
10:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus 11.99 GBP here
 
@Rapptz Woooh!
 
Seems like to much effort to make a new account just to downvote...
 
@TonyTheLion I mean them maintaining the game, not the game itself
 
Xeo
Also, both times when I wrote "bobby" , I accidentally wrote booby (also, make that three times).
 
(It's still worth full price)
 
10:17 PM
@BartekBanachewicz , GLEW says it is 2.1 as well.
 
Works perfectly
 
@CatPlusPlus Do people play shoppa and all those other rope minigames?
 
There's a lot of custom game modes
Even board games
 
Downvoting. Giant Wall of Text. — Bobby Jones 6 mins ago
lol
 
Why are you following this guy again?
 
10:18 PM
@Rapptz yep, updated my answer nevertheless
 
@CatPlusPlus oh right
 
@CatPlusPlus I was trying to see how many comments he posted out of curiosity and that one was funny.
 
@Pawnguy7 so uh, I think you are out of luck
 
Hm. This kind of sucks :\
 
@Pawnguy7 do you have a laptop or a desktop?
 
10:19 PM
laptop :\
 
Guess it is time to learn 2.1 :D
 
Are you creating the context properly
 
I imagine it will make it easier to use 3.x+ by learning the... graphic theory first.
 
10:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus it was from running glewinfo.exe
 
Get GL Ext Viewer to see what your GPU/driver supports
Yeah GLEW is not very good so
 
@CatPlusPlus why? it works perfectly?
 
I can try, but I am doubtful.
Given that it is a laptop, and 5 some years old.
 
@Pawnguy7 Nicol says that a) his tutorial isn't really about OpenGL b) you still need 3.3 to run the samples
 
Well if it has Intel GPU then it definitely sucks
 
10:20 PM
@Pawnguy7 do you have newest possible drivers?
 
Ah. I checked this once.
 
@CatPlusPlus oh right. 5 years ago only GPUs intel had were in chipsets, no?
 
I beleive I had run a... auto-configeration utlity from... migth have been intell.
Wherever it was from. Anyway, it didn't seem to know what, if any, I should try, so I never did.
 
vOv I know they only started supporting OpenGL decently only recently
 
@Pawnguy7 so you don't even know what GPU do you have? :/
 
10:22 PM
I do, I just don't remember anymore.
 
It's a very hard thing to check
 
@CatPlusPlus Team in Gdańsk is working really hard on it now, I can assure you.
 
"Running on a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family from Intel"
 
chipset :/
 
I guess the config was from Intel's site, then.
 
10:22 PM
you can use GPU-Z, that's a decent utility
 
@LucDanton That sounds like the kind of (unfortunately, valid) excuse I'd usually make.
 
@CatPlusPlus also, they aren't on the market really very long so... Other companies had a head start really
and nevertheless, the gap is closing
 
Can anybody remind me what lib you link to for openGL? I forget. I feel like it was two.
 
opengl32
 
10:24 PM
but let's look at extensions
 
@JerryCoffin I was thinking it's more of an observation than an excuse. I won't dismiss the idea -- but it weirdly feels like looking at a foreign landscape.
 
I know, it's not obvious at all
 
Maybe he can get some missing functions from exts.
 
@LucDanton Ah -- when I say it, it's more often an excuse. :-)
 
hey, @Pawnguy7 !
 
10:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz At which point he should use glload or GLEW to get them, right?
 
oh wait fuck
I didn't see "no" first
I thought it lists only available ones :/
@ThePhD wait, what?
 
It appears to have support for several ARB extensions.
 
@BartekBanachewicz To get the function pointers from the extensions, no?
 
@ThePhD uh, yeah, but what you are really asking about again?
 
Oh, nothing. :D
 
10:28 PM
@Pawnguy7 you don't have VAOs, which will hurt
I am reading it now
 
Would that be Vertex-???-objects?
 
@Pawnguy7 GL_ARB_depth_texture, kewl.
 
What are VAOs good for again?
 
Vertices
 
@ThePhD For storing vertex attribute bindings and values? srsly?
 
10:29 PM
Doesn't ring a bell.
 
@CatPlusPlus (see point #8)
 
GL_EXT_bgra is nice too
@ThePhD you don't know what a vertex attribute is?
 
Can you eat it
 
GL_EXT_framebuffer_object is supported too
 
It rings a bell.
I did GL a long time ago.
IIRC VAOs are analogous to.. ...
.... Vertex Elements / InputLayout's for D3D ?
 
10:31 PM
I don't know a thing about D3D.
so I am not a right person to ask here, really.
but yes, sounds similar
 
Ell
I thought a vertex attribute was an "input parameter" for a vertex shader
 
So, um, my conclusion, @Pawnguy7, is to focus on general topics, and not learning the API. You have VBOs and FBOs, so, kinda ok.
 
So VAO's just store how the Graphics Card interprets the shit you placed in the Vertex Buffer (Object)?
 
@Ell vertex shader has many "input parameters"
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz but each is called an attribute isn't it?
 
10:33 PM
Ok. I will try that. Although... in what version were shaders added?
 
@ThePhD "interprets"? It just connects the vbo data with the defined vertex attributes in shaders
 
Oh, okay, so yeah.
 
I don't know, does D3D have something like predefined "position", "color" attribs and so on?
 
InputLayout.
It used to.
 
@Pawnguy7 2.0
 
10:33 PM
Now it just doesn't give a shit unless you specifically tell it to.
 
@ThePhD okay, so that's the same.
 
Ah. That is good anyway, right?
 
@Pawnguy7 you will lack a few functions from GLSL, namely explicit attribute locations
 
Now, it just lays out data in 4x float registers, one up-to-128 bit component per register.
 
but for a beginner they aren't really required to write decent code
 
10:34 PM
I think D3D also gauruntees at least... ..
 
I see. Question is, what windowing library to use...
 
.... I dunno, 16+ slots?
 
@ThePhD yeah, that's kinda fail. OpenGL allows you to allocate attributes as you might like, so 3 floats, 2 floats, whatever.
 
@Pawnguy7 use SFML, why not? just not it "graphics" component at all
 
10:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus ^ That's for you.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ahahaha :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz D3D lets you do that too.
I was talking about in the actual shader and on the GPU.
 
True. I just wish I could make it work with VS... I feel like I am going to try it again. Who knows, maybe it will somehow work.
 
@ThePhD but it will waste space, no?
 
No, actually. It lends itself to being extremely fast.
 
10:36 PM
@Pawnguy7 you could just also stop being a paranoid ass and just let me set it up via TeamViewer
@ThePhD fast != waste space
actually, the more space you take, the faster you are usually
and again, I was asking, if I for example allocate 4 * 1-float attributes, how much space will it take
 
You've lost me, I think...
If you're talking in your application and when allocating your own data, you allocate it same as always.
 
4 mins ago, by ThePhD
Now, it just lays out data in 4x float registers, one up-to-128 bit component per register.
@ThePhD is the 4xfloat the smallest you can allocate?
 
Nice. I have a very static_assert-heavy header, some of which involve ambitious computations, but still no impact on compilation time.
 
When it reaches the GPU, however, D3D simply says "for each argument, use a single register, one for each argument they're sending in". Whether or not you allocate anything bigger or smaller is not it's concern, it's just gaurunteeing that each argument will have its own register of space 32 bits x 4.
You can allocate smaller. YOu can allocate bools, ints, etc.
It won't over-allocate or under allocate, but the registers will always be that big. That's all I'm saying.
 
that doesn't make much sense
why the hell would I care if it will be 32bits * 4?
I just want to send arbitrary data
 
Ell
10:43 PM
how many attributes does opengl allow?
and arbitrary amount?
 
Depends on driver iirc. I think there is a minimum required though.
 
16 is minimum in D3D I think...?
I think.
16 is minimum in D3D9. 11 has some really high cap.
 
@Ell a lot
@Ell no, it's limited. But it's a lot
I can check if you want to
 
Sigh.
Code blocks time, I suppose :\
 
@Ell my card reports 16
Radeons give you 32, but they are bugged as fuck so...
@Pawnguy7 you suck
 
10:49 PM
I know :D
 
if you can't set up an IDE, don't even start to code, srsly
Because I assure you coding will be much harder
 
I still don't think it is me.
 
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Q: Don't automatically dismiss spam / offensive flags when a post is deleted by the owner

Brad LarsonWe just had an incident with a user trolling the site using what appears to be multiple accounts. A few hours ago, they did something similar, but moderators were never made aware of it. They insulted multiple users in an answer that racked up an impressive 11 "not an answer" flags, one offensiv...

^^ wow... that guy picked up 21 flags on one post...
 
o.0
Damn.
 
user142019
I've made some progress on my semantical analyzer.
 

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