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Anyone here familiar with GTK?
 
@IDWMaster I've heard the name.
 
fuck.
 
@DeadMG PARTY HARD
 
the output of the Wide compiler won't link due to an undefined reference from a function I didn't even call.
:(
 
user142019
6:01 PM
Oh it's almost Queen's Day.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Do you know how to route raw X events into an application that uses GTK to manage windows?
 
@rightfold More like IDGAF about the Queen Day :P
 
@IDWMaster Do you know how to operate a nuclear submarine?
 
user142019
Next year it'll be King's Day lol.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Do you?
 
6:02 PM
@IDWMaster No. And I know as much about GTK.
 
@DeadMG Some ABI thing?
 
I actually don't know.
Clang should not be code-generating this function
 
Anyone here familiar with the Qt framework?
 
@IDWMaster Used to. I'm not touching that with a 10 foot Pole.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What's wrong with it?
 
6:05 PM
@IDWMaster Nothing particularly wrong with it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well; what don't you like about it?
 
I just disagree with the philosophy behind it, even though I'm aware it's mostly out of legacy and another case of "it made sense back then".
 
Think I am a bad programmer because I have to much time?
 
I mean
 
I don't really like the fact that Qt needs its own make to work.
 
6:06 PM
at the most fundamental level, it's no surprise that the function this one calls is not code generated, since I never called it and therefore never ensured it's generation.
what I don't understand is why Clang generated this function in the first place when there are no call sites.
 
Is it me, or does that sound like "racist barn"? (also, @rightfold, that might be a spoiler for S3E8).
 
considering that I usually have to jump through six thousand hoops to get it to generate such a function
 
@EtiennedeMartel I agree.
 
mindfuck
 
Anyone here do ANY UI programming on Linux?
 
6:08 PM
@IDWMaster The only UI programming I do is on Windows with WPF, the world's least painful GUI framework.
 
@IDWMaster I somehow had to use wxPython and PySide at a time.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Smooth.
 
well
one suspects I can eliminate this problem by running an LLVM optimizer pass to eliminate this function
 
@Xeo Seriously though, how does that happen o.o
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ahh. Our company used to use .NET and WPF (and some legacy WinForms), but we're switching everything to Linux now, so I have to re-write all the UI
Our company uses special input devices that deliver custom signals through X, so I need to make GTK compatible with these signals
 
6:09 PM
Oh, that's not gonna be a walk in the park.
 
Or some other UI framework
 
Unless your park happens to contain land mines.
 
@EtiennedeMartel How'd you know? The park is in Iran!
 
10 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
fucking star it
 
@IDWMaster what is idw other than the Autodesk Inventor drawing file format?
 
6:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No.
 
Why does Howard Hinnant call it a "type-o"? Is he mentally slow?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why "returns" and not, say, "throws"?
 
@Abyx oh very good
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Be good first. Then you get stars.
 
@JohanLarsson It's an extension for a P2P mesh networking protocol
 
6:14 PM
I'm gonna bake a cake tonight. What cakes do you like?
 
Ell
@Morwenn carrot cake!
 
@Ell Is that a vegan cake?
 
Weird. The event loop is defined in......... THE GRAPHICS LIBRARY (GDK)!
 
@Ell No bacon?
 
Ell
I can't imagine a vegan cake
no eggs, no milk, no butter. It would just be a pile of flour
 
6:16 PM
hey is @rightfold still here
 
under another name perhaps :P
 
user142019
@Johann no.
 
Is there a word for an individual that despises killing animals, but eats the meat anyway?
 
@Ell I did one with sugar, flour, water and dried grapes.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Okay, then even more so, if we take members out of the equation, why not just make it a macro instead of a language feature? At the moment, I honestly have to admit, I can't see an advantage of []stuff over gpd's quoting library, or even just the obvious LIFT(stuff) macro, except for that fact that it's not a macro.
 
6:17 PM
@rightfold are you done with the C++ cheat sheet
 
user142019
LOL
 
Xeo
especially with generic lambdas and perfect-return-type-deduction
 
to a certain extent
I'm happy with "It's not a macro".
 
What do you want a cheat sheet for?
 
and secondly
I don't think that macros can cope with operators, no?
 
Ell
@Morwenn seriously? o.O How was it?
 
firstly, "It's not a bunch of fugly macros" is, I think, at least a somewhat valid reason
 
@Ell Tasted like sugary semolina cake with dried grapes in the inside, and had a crusty crust like break on the outside.
@Ell Surprisingly not that bad.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Well, one other precedent where that was about the only reason was BOOST_FOREACH and range-for, I think.
 
and I forgot my secondly.
 
6:21 PM
Is really that useful?
There is almost only one guy using it.
 
@Morwenn if you are going to go retro then use c
 
@Johann I was thinking of using BCPL.
 
@Morwenn It is if you're using g++
 
@DeadMG And thirdly, I miss the songs. Folks from Caelandia knew how to carry a tune.
 
6:26 PM
@IDWMaster Why is that?
 
@Morwenn g++ in a lot of Linux distros (such as Debian) doesn't support C++0x/C++11
 
@IDWMaster g++ supports C++03, not uncorrectred c++98.
 
Ahh. OK
 
And is indeed useful and used.
 
I only use C++03
oh, you mean the tag
 
6:33 PM
Yeah, i meant the tag :)
 
...
 
...
 
Dem dots.
 
Variadic posts?
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow dah-dah-dah
Btw @DeadMG, a "decent scheme" for looking up members isn't needed - I just say that the scope of the lifting-lambda is the scope it's declared in and normal name-lookup will do the job for me. And I don't think I even need to special-case / allow a1.id-expr(args...) then.
or wait.. maybe I do
Hm
 
6:49 PM
ugh... wtf is this tag:
 
Xeo
I should just implement this in Clang or something...
 
@Mysticial questions like "what language to learn next"
 
@bamboon not Java
 
All the questions have been closed btw.
 
6:51 PM
@Morwenn yeah, I noticed...
 
Those career development questions now belong to Programmers.
 
@jalf Hopefully my code won't be so bad. <3
@R.MartinhoFernandes HAPPY BOOTSTRAPDAY ROBOT <3
6
 
@ThePhD You mean Robor.
 
-2
Q: How can I learn to like C++?

Evan HahnI'm a wimpy web programmer by trade -- I enjoy programming in JavaScript, CoffeeScript, TypeScript, and Ruby. I have to program in C++ for my computer science degree, and it frustrates me. I don't much like the syntax and I feel that it's more verbose than it could be. I think I've roared "I hat...

lol
 
lol
 
Xeo
6:55 PM
> wimpy web programmer
lol
 
Yay :D
 
Write assembly for a week solid; no sleep, no bathroom breaks. From then on you will henceforth love C++. — Jimmy Hoffa 22 hours ago
 
Ell
Ahh why am I so incompetent!
 
I ask myself that question every day. Why are you so incompetent?
:P
 
16 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
> I'm shit, you're shit, the world is shit, and if you're sitting there thinking "Yes it's true, everyone is shit except me," then you're a double bacon shit with large fries, Mr. Shitface.
@FredOverflow Also, the one answer on that question is incredibly stupid.
 
6:58 PM
We had a class where they pin your eyes open and show you c++ code while playing Beethoven - worked for me. — Martin Beckett 17 hours ago
:D
 
> Google has been working on Native Client (aka NaCl), an SDK that brings C/C++ functionality to browsers since at least last year, and now the latest Google Chrome beta version includes NaCl. NaCl uses an API called "Pepper" that provides HTML5 bindings for C or C++.
These.. puns.
 
<3 google
 
@ThePhD Wow that is awful.
 
Is there a better way of serializing PODs? I'm attempting to have Boost.PP generate the code: pastebin.com/raw.php?i=S82QvWBU
(I want to send a POD over network)
 
7:15 PM
Hey Guise!
 
Tony :3
 
nothin much, you?
 
yo
 
Failures in my soul
yo puppy!
@Borgleader I'm alright, started watching "Breaking Bad", not too bad
 
7:18 PM
@TonyTheLion Breaking Good?
 
QT is nice, but a bit old-fashioned. At least I was able to extend it to work with a custom input device better than GTK
 
Xeo
hmm... I might need to start thinking about [this]stuff
 
What's [this]stuff?
 
Xeo
[]stuff capturing this
 
7:20 PM
hmmm
what's the advantage in that?
if you use a lambda in a member function, can't you already access this?
 
s/that/this/ :P
 
seeing its in the class scope?
 
Xeo
no
And it's not an ordinary lambda
 
lambdas cannot access data members?
 
Xeo
7:22 PM
not without [this]{ ... }
 
GEMA says it isn't.
 
fuck sake
 
Xeo
@DeadMG: I'm a bit torn: Inside a member function, the name-lookup inside []stuff would also find members called stuff, but they can't be called because there's no this-context. However, one of my "rules" for lifting is that []stuff(x) and stuff(x) should be be equivalent.
 
GEMA says a lot of things.
 
7:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Halestorm - I miss the Misery
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's a link to Family Guy on the right.
 
if you care find it yourself
 
you have to pull in this automatically.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, maybe your German is good enough to be able to appreciate the GEMA song I linked here a long time ago? :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should just fuse yourself with the internet and then you wouldn't have to deal with such restrictions :P
 
7:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Happy Birthday :)
 
Xeo
@DeadMG That's where I'm torn - from lambdas, [] says that nothing is captured.
 
@TonyTheLion You sure it's the song and not the singer?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes mediahint.com
 
@DeadMG :)
 
@Xeo Then you'll have to differ from them a bit.
 
7:25 PM
I like the singer too
 
> Do me, Peter. Do me right here in the basement! You mean this room we're in, or your bum? No, this room, Peter. Right here on the carpet! Oh, so you mean the front.
 
Halestorm is good. On the other hand, Alestorm is damn funny.
 
@FredOverflow Pukesicles... oh god
 
7:30 PM
Don't we earn privileges right here by farming rep?
 
@TonyTheLion The song actually seems pretty good
 
Xeo
I just noticed this in the return-type deduction paper:
> If the declared return type of the function contains a placeholder type, the return type of the function is deduced from return statements in the body of the function, if any.
I wonder... std::vector<auto> foo();.
 
@DeadMG :)
 
Lambdas is the shit
 
> GCC 4.9 new feature: colourized output (gcc.gnu.org)
lol
 
7:35 PM
@Rapptz Thank Clang for this joyful add.
 
What a waste.
 
GCC are sure trying hard to compete with Clang
 
Yey :p
 
but I think it says something that they've been kicked up the arse so hard
 
@Rapptz Maybe they'll attract chicks with it!
 
7:36 PM
Anyway, why complain about improved error messages? :p
 
Meh, it's a pretty fucking useless feature.
Because colourized errors doesn't mean it's improved.
 
You can see the difference between errors and warnings at first sight.
And also see where each begins.
 
user142019
C++ error messages are still terrible.
 
Pretty useless in an IDE, but no THAT useless in command-line.
 
> GCC 5.0 new feature: ribbon-based GUI with touch screen enabled
9
 
user142019
7:37 PM
You can't improve them.
 
user142019
What you need is a template debugger.
 
As a windows user i like the extra information in the linux terminal tough
 
@rightfold Concepts?
 
Xeo
@rightfold Meh, just get your templates right
 
And wise use of static_assert as long as it concerns your own codebase.
 
7:38 PM
Hey there is a plugin for coloured error messages!
 
user142019
@Xeo "You don't need to debug; just get your code right."
 
Xeo
:)
 
And if you could just get your problem right, you wouldn't have to care about the code.
 
Just don't program, you won't have to bother with code or errors anymore.
Just be a random gardener and grow cute flowers.
 
user142019
You know.
 
user142019
7:40 PM
Gardening is fun.
 
Yeah about that..
Visual Garden 2012
 
user142019
Except for the wasps, it's pretty awesome.
 
I'd love to grow useful herbs.
 
user142019
Onions. :v
 
like healing herbs?
 
user142019
7:42 PM
Weed!
 
Like Herbs that make me Stutter.
 
user142019
In The Netherlands you're allowed to have five weed plants if you're 18+ LOL.
 
Hey can somebody give me a hand here...
 
@rightfold Think you can own 2 in Spain.
 
7:43 PM
I am making a iterator
 
user142019
@Morwenn You also use a Mill to process them.
2
 
@rightfold So much fun to Crawl in your garden.
 
Ell
trololol look at my fail: imgur.com/7p2E4ia
 
dafuq is that?
 
Ell
It's my attempt at loading an image to a texture :p
but it loads upside-down and with those lines xD
 
7:46 PM
Looks like your emulating a old tv
 
Ell
haha I'm just trying to display a picture
oh how fail xD
 
Real art is made from error
thats real art!
 
@Ell Reminds me that time when I tried to modify a video, had a buffer overflow while playing it and saw some bands playing forward while other played backward thanks to interlacing. That was very interesting.
 
Ell
Haha wow
 
lol
Hey can somebody give me a tip on how to implement my iterator, im having a prrroblem
The iterator is derived but i only want to expose the base when iterating.
 
7:52 PM
@DavidJensen You need to post code and should probably ask on SO proper.
 
@Pubby Its waaay to much code, the iterator is templated and basically derives two times.
But yes, i guess your right about asking on SO.
 
Anybody using OpenGL with C++ on the Mac?
 
user142019
How's N3580 going?
 
You mean if anyone is feeling suicidal?
 
user142019
Is there some list of all proposals and their status?
 
Ell
7:55 PM
@SeaCode Nope. I am on linux :P
 
Does c++ even compile on mac :p ?
 
user142019
Wat.
 
user142019
Of course you can use C++ on OS X wtf.
 
I thought they where all about objective C
 
C++ does compile on the Mac
 
user142019
7:56 PM
@DavidJensen tell me how Google Chrome works on OS X.
 
user142019
(Hint: it's written in C++.)
 
@Ell You're probably misinterpreting the picture format.
 
jarjar :p. But arent they all about objective C?
 
Well C++ creates exe files, but the Mac cannot run those type of files
 
lolwat
 
Ell
7:57 PM
@FredOverflow I think so too
@SeaCode on a mac it doesn't create .exe s
 
user142019
That OS X's GUI framework is written in Objective-C doesn't mean you can't use other languages.
 
user142019
@SeaCode Stop not having an idea what you're talking about.
 
@Ell what type of file does it create?
 
Binary files, obviously
 
Ell
@SeaCode I don't know, whatever executable format the mac uses
 
user142019
7:58 PM
1) C++ doesn't create anything.
2) On OS X, C++ compilers create Mach-O binaries just like they create ELF binaries on Linux.
 
Okay that makes sense I guess
 
You guessed...
 
user142019
I did?
 
Technically the linker creates the executables. :-)
 
@sehe well I was wondered
 

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