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11:01 AM
haha
 
Xeo
lol
 
this meme never gets old
inb4 yes it does
 
Don't you understand? It's a good thing, tuple.hpp depends on it but indices.hpp doesn't. So what I did is refine my tuple dependency to indices + expand instead.
 
11:06 AM
hmm
do any of you guys have a move-aware optional?
 
@DeadMG Yes.
 
actually never mind
it would be superior to replace this component with a quite different design anyway
 
thanks though
 
@Xeo I jelly too :(
 
user1357851
11:07 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit should be so-nerdy, him & pewbie pubby plonked me because apparently in the universe of the super nerds, no nerdy 1337 are not good enough to be listened to
 
inb4 different design sucks
 
Eh, thanks for nothing. My code is not licensed.
 
nah
 
wtf "20.3.2 - audience collapses"?
 
Xeo
11:09 AM
wut?
 
Jonathan shooting the std ref upon need. RT @gregcons: One of the funniest things I've heard at #accu2013 - "20.3.2" - audience collapses
 
the old design was intended for implicit concurrency, whereas here I can be explicit
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, needs the context from the prior tweet
 
ugh, thanks to ape I won't do anything all day; I'll be reading his stream instead @sbi!
 
Xeo
The speaker was looking in the standard for something because Jonathan said his slide was wrong. He opens the standard, and Jonathan says "20.3.2" instantly, referring to the section.
 
11:11 AM
@Telkitty ok..
 
Xeo
The ape's tweets make me very jelly. :<
 
yeah me too
I really feel like I should be there
 
man
 
unfortunately I actually have a job
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The ape has too
 
11:12 AM
I wish that I could implicitly forward member functions instead of having to manually define each of them
 
but my job doesn't let me go to software language conferences
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit His job sent him there.
 
@Xeo He's actually in Bristol?
 
@DeadMG yes
 
i.e. what I meant was, I have a job during accu
 
11:13 AM
huh
 
the ape, for all intents and purposes, has been explicitly allowed not to ;)
 
You're just jelly. It will pass.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes probly. though I wanted to make WG21 too
 
Xeo
I could ask my boss right now, but I don't think there's a chance for me to go. :D
 
11:15 AM
Also
float d = w<-density();
 
Xeo
lol #nowinstereo
 
@Xeo Kinda too late anyway :P
 
I should take it down before @ThePhD notices "left arrow operator"
@Xeo yeah
 
Ell
@deadmg like how? Doesnt perfect forwarding do that?
 
I could have attended but the registration cost was exorbitant
 
11:16 AM
Hmm, yeah, retweeted by whom, Twitter?
 
@Ell You still have to actually define the function.
so if you wish to forward 40 functions, you have to write 40 forwarding functions by hand.
 
NEED MOAR VIRTUAL MACHINES!!
/me boots another one
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes retweeted by , don't you see it?
 
retweeted by ZWSP?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I meant for WG21
 
JMK
11:18 AM
hi guys, I have a question!
 
@JMK I have one too! High five!
 
@JMK do you know about stackoverflow.com?
 
Xeo
We don't have time, we have to follow a live-tweet about Accu 2013
Come back on Monday.
 
JMK
lol ok
its a book question
 
made my day
ahahhaa
 
11:18 AM
@Xeo You're only following one?
 
@Xeo Oh. The ACCU cost was like thousands to attend, IIRC, but WG21 was free.
except the hotel and travel and such
 
It's fascinating and mildly confusing to read everything twice, from @tweetsbi and @gregcons respectively. #accu2013 #nowinstereo
 
Xeo
@jalf The ape's
 
@jalf we are reading everything, in case you haven't noticed :)
 
user1357851
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think the most evil people are the ones that do evil deeds and nobody seems to notice
 
11:19 AM
@jalf And with people oneboxing the tweets here...
 
JMK
are you actually too busy live-tweeting to answer a book question? lol
 
Xeo
I don't think I'll be able to work at all, really....
 
Really?
That's not because of the tweets, is it? Be honest with yourself.
 
I can't work too because of them
 
Xeo
@JMK Too busy following a live-tweet
 
11:20 AM
TMT (too many tweets)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is. :<
 
@JMK we are reading
 
JMK
aah, I don't even know what a live-tweet is
 
Xeo
HE'S TWEETING TOO DAMN FAST
 
JMK
ok, looking to learn c++
was reading the book list
 
11:20 AM
@JMK they are just spamming the twitter from a conference they're on and we're not
 
JMK
aah i understand
anyways a friend suggested an ivor horton book for c++
 
@JMK no, we're just not interested in answering book questions
 
JMK
but I don't see any on the list
@jaif that's fair
 
@JMK so don't read it. not on the list = 99% crap
 
Xeo
@JMK Good chance it's not a good book.
 
JMK
11:21 AM
ok that's all I wanted to know
just your dude horton has written a lot of c/c++ books
and none on the list
 
Xeo
Many books != good quality
 
Which book is it?
 
JMK
beginning c++ 2010
 
Slides from the ACCU C++ PubQuiz now published on my blog #accu2013 http://olvemaudal.wordpress.com/talks/
@JMK looks old
 
JMK
sorry there's a 2012 one also
 
11:23 AM
@JMK, best book to start is stroustrup.com/Programming
 
JMK
ah cool, I come from a c# .net background
 
user1357851
I wonder what *this is for ... looks like a tank with minor modification on the top for distractions?
 
JMK
thanks guys
 
@JMK Best tip I can give you is to assume anything you know from C# simply does not apply to C++.
 
JMK
right ok
 
11:25 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk define best. If two books are correct, it's only the matter of preference
 
@BartekBanachewicz, and which is the second?
 
I give up.
@EvgenyPanasyuk C++ Primer, for one
 
JMK
lol, I saw C++ primer on the C++ books question
looks decent
 
it's very good. Worth every penny I paid for it.
 
JMK
11:26 AM
cool
i was mainly just curious as to why Horton wasn't on the list tbh
 
Though Nicolai's book is even better, but it's a 2nd book.
 
JMK
ah ok
thanks, I will get a copy of C++ primer
is that Windows based
 
@JMK well, if you can find someone who would read and/or review it...
@JMK ? of course not
 
JMK
sorry
 
user142019
@JMK C++ Primer, not C++ Primer Plus.
 
user142019
11:27 AM
Beware.
 
What is ACCU anyways?
 
JMK
ok I will
 
user142019
@ThePhD accu.org
 
JMK
awesome cheers
 
Xeo
11:29 AM
I do hope they put up vidoes again
 
JMK
ha somebody on Amazon gave that book 1 star because it freezes their kindle
 
@Xeo "again"? D:
 
Stars indicate temperature?
 
@JMK worked good for me. I read it mostly on iPad, not kindle though
 
JMK
yeah I'm sure it's a great book
 
11:31 AM
... Lol.
Left-arrow operator.
 
JMK
just made me laugh
 
Someone is definitely trying too hard.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I just flipped thru it (kindle demo). I still think that "Programming -- Principles and Practice Using C++" is the best.
 
user142019
@Xeo me too.
 
user142019
They're fun to watch.
 
11:31 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk and this is your personal preference. The only thing I was pointing out.
 
I can describe
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk also, is it C++11 already?
 
"Programming -- Principles and Practice Using C++" introduced pointers only at the middle of the book
at ~550 page of ~1200
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk so does Primer.
 
hm, I see pointers at $2
 
11:33 AM
um, is the CATCH the same as the CATCH I am using?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz well, he (Phil) made the Catch testing framework.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk yeah. Still, the notion of pointers itself....
@Zoidberg oooookaay.
 
user142019
So, probably. :v
 
"2.3.2 Pointers"
 
user1357851
11:34 AM
$2.32 pointers
 
"is it C++11 already?" no it is 2009
 
2 hours ago, by sehe
@LucDanton Me neither. It's more of @refp thing IYAM. Useless language lawyering :)
I'm not useless :(
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk so it's simply not practical to use today. It is a good book, just outdated. /topic
 
Which features from C++11 begginer in programming (without any expirience in any other language) should learn in your opinion?
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk unique_ptr
 
11:36 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk lambdas
 
std::array
lambdas
 
lambdas, for beginers?
 
unordered_map and unordered_set
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk auto and unique_ptr
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you really saying that a beginner would need to know about what you are listing?
 
11:37 AM
unordered_map is good, but not must have for begginers
 
@refp yes.
 
hmm, auto might be a better thing than lambdas
 
"unique_ptr" - well, if pointers are at 2.3.2, then probably yes
 
WTF is a beginner?
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk pointers != unique_ptr
@EvgenyPanasyuk Surely you mean §?
 
11:38 AM
oh, nevermind.. I didn't notice the S in things, I thought we were only supposed to mention one thing
 
@Xeo, I mean, that unique_ptr is likely to be introduced after pointers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a c++ beginner is someone who hasn't yet been destroyed by this channel.. someone who enjoys writing c++ and doesn't spend hours going through the standard.
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes newb, newblet I assume
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk WHAT
 
For instance, "Programming -- Principles and Practice Using C++" introduces auto_ptr after pointers
 
11:39 AM
@refp I enjoy writing C++ and don't spend hours going through the standard.
@EvgenyPanasyuk auto_ptr is deprecated
 
@BartekBanachewicz per definition; a beginner.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk yet another reason NOT to recommend this book to a begginner
@refp right. So as a begginner, I like unordered_map and unique_ptr
 
user1357851
Beginner *user = new Beginner;
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm also a troll, and a language-lawyer according to @sehe.. not sure if that's a good thing really
 
11:41 AM
@refp being a troll certainly isn't
 
@Telkitty, lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have no pronblem with that part though
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk so next time please check if the books you are recommending aren't outdated.
 
Actually, "Beginner user = *new Beginner;" was right :)
 
user1357851
This is weird, I found a bug ... go to report it on meta :x
 
11:42 AM
WAZT
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk ... ?
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk Don't even dare.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk WHAT? DUDE
 
It is joke!
 
I'm starting to believe that @EvgenyPanasyuk is a much better troll than I'll ever be.
 
11:43 AM
lol
 
don't joke like that.
 
I meant that "Beginner user = *new Beginner;" is a good way to described what begginer is
especially because it leaks.
 
I meant that the piece of code is crap
And we don't like crap code.
 
yes, exactly
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk nhaa not really, that's more of a java-idiot.
 
user1357851
11:44 AM
lemme try 1 more time (test) *this is not that ... okey this works
 
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Q: What is the meaning of the numbers in Python unicode message 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 6-8

Hakan999In an error message like this: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 6-8 What do 6 and 8 mean? Line numbers? Character positions? Does it mean characters 6,7, and 8 are problematic? And how can I get the bytes of those characters? Edit: This message I see frequently, so I am ask...

 
@refp agree
 
@Telkitty please use Sandbox room for that
 
@Telkitty I've seen several instances where *this is that.
 
Can someone see a worthy question in there, or should I vote to close mercilessly?
 
user1357851
11:45 AM
@refp I am testing -> * <- this thing
 
@Telkitty decltype(*this) &that = *this;
@Telkitty I'm not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This question is unlikely to help any future visitors; it is only relevant to a small geographic area, a specific moment in time, or an extraordinarily narrow situation that is not generally applicable to the worldwide audience of the internet.
I should stop doing that.
 
@Telkitty why don't you just read the FAQ about formatting? far easier than testing shit out on your own.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "so next time please check if the books you are recommending aren't outdated." - I knew when book was released, and it is still much better, even if it doesn't cover auto, lambda and unique_ptr
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk no, it's not better if it has deprecated stuff in it and doesn't cover new language features making coding, especially for beginners, easier
 
11:47 AM
if it doesn't cover unique_ptr, it needs to be the best shit ever to still be worth reading.
 
oh, and initializer_list
 
user1357851
@refp pretty sure it is a bug, will link once I am done
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk do you even know what unique_ptr is?
 
that is not funny
 
11:49 AM
answer my question
 
grep for unique_ptr
 
@Telkitty I don't think it is, but good luck with that.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk kewl. Just wanted to make sure I am not entirely wasting time
so, uh, C++11 is easier for a begginner.
And if the book doesn't have its features, learning will be harder.
 
Do you think that C++ programmer should learn only one book?
 
"learn one book"? No, he should read a few. But the first one is important.
 
11:52 AM
After he would read stroustrup.com/Programming , he may continue with TC++PL 4ed which would probably be released at that time
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk he might as well read Primer, which already has been updated to C++11
thus, he won't waste time for deprecated stuff like auto_ptr
that's why people update books, y'know
I dunno what's so hard to get here.
afk
 
I don't think that for begginer's learning process presense of unique_ptr and deprecating of auto_ptr is the most critical.
"I dunno what's so hard to get here."
 
Hmm, maybe treating char const* as a sequence on its own is a mistake.
 
user1357851
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Q: Is this intended (* in chats)

TelkittyIt is stated in the stackoverflow FAQ: http://chat.stackoverflow.com/faq#formatting *italic* or _italic_ **bold** or __bold__ so when I type * followed by a word followed by another three * I expect to see the word to appear to be both italic and bold. Now this is work correctly. Today I was ...

 
@EvgenyPanasyuk unique_ptr is the most important functionality in the entire Standard Library.
 
11:59 AM
lol
 

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