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user142019
4:00 PM
Yelp
 
user784668
Xelp
 
Zelp
 
@DomagojPandĹža Um. Okay. Yankyuu.
 
combobreaker
fucking lag
 
rofl
 
user784668
4:01 PM
@DeadMG u lose
 
@DeadMG starting to look sane :)
 
@sehe Well, in principle, I can now bootstrap my compiler.
 
omg what? :=?
 
there won't be much written in Wide though.
 
4:07 PM
@Abyx Construction or something
 
well, at least it's not ::=
 
:>
 
@DeadMG well, it'd be using clang and c++ :)
 
That is actually the token I want to use for Templates.
template <: typename T, BitShiftMotherFucker >> 3 :> <--- Wham, problem solved.
 
@ThePhD just use (x >> y)
 
4:09 PM
Of course. I log on and there's a hole in the wall through which a creeper and a skeleton came.
 
template()
 
Xeo
lol
 
DEAR LORD JESUS CHRIST EWW
How shitty.
 
Now there are two chests that have blown up.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD, he meant template<(expr)>
 
4:09 PM
yep.
 
@Xeo You need some sleep.
 
Xeo
aka just parenthise that shit
 
user784668
Foo!(int, 10 >> 2)
 
@Xeo That's extra work.
 
user784668
D's syntax. Good syntax.
 
Xeo
4:10 PM
It's the same amount of characters as adding : on either side.
 
@LucDanton It seems you may have cleaned out the server logs? :) downloads.sehe.nl/stackoverflow/minecraft/gantt.png
 
@Xeo But it solves the parser's issue of trying to figure out which one is which.
 
Perhaps it is some rotating log file of sorts
 
Would rsync -avz do that?
 
@LucDanton no
 
4:11 PM
And that still wouldn't make sense. I didn't touch those on my local copy.
So I dunno.
 
@Xeo The idea is that what makes C++ so hard is how it has to be parsed. It's got all these ass-backwards cornercase rules and requires stupid LR(INFINIIITTYYY) backtracking parsing to make shit work, that would honestly be alleviated by making clear design choices on certain tokens.
 
yeah, C++ sucks.
 
Xeo
While you're at it, fix the declarator grammar.
 
Templates is one of those things that - if they had just started with a double-token (<: :> or any other unused set), they would have avoided a major problem entirely.
 
@LucDanton Ah well. Who cares. If the history gets to big, the chart becomes unreadable anyways
 
Xeo
4:13 PM
Too bad <: and :> are digraphs from C
 
It's not like that even have "Well, we had to carry this shit over from C, blame C!" to say.
ARRRRRRRRRRGH FUCKIN' C.
 
also, "shr" > ">>"
 
@Xeo Fuck digraphs. :c
 
Xeo
<3
 
Hiya Folks! :D
 
4:14 PM
What about :< and >: ?
 
How you all doin?
 
@GamesBrainiac Too happy
 
Xeo
Hm, I just types "trygraph". I may need some sleep.
 
SADFACES FOR HOW MUCH I HATE DIGRAPHS
@Xeo Did you sleep since you wrote your blogpost?
 
@sehe Oh um, bad time to ssh in?
 
4:14 PM
@sehe Something good happen to you? Something to celebrate about?
 
@LucDanton Not really. Ah you mean, I was connected :)
 
Xeo
: first would be problematic with goto labels (also from C. :3)
 
=llll
I hate C.
 
Xeo
Hahahaha, poor innocent @ThePhD
 
4:15 PM
Well, what would be an appropriate <> delimiter set then? :c
 
@ThePhD Why?
 
try <| and |>
 
I want to avoid it being a binary operator.
 
C makes a lot of sense.
 
@LucDanton I didn't notice. Perhaps you just want to ^A space a few times? That's how screen multiplexes different terminals
 
Xeo
4:15 PM
[] would've maybe worked.
 
Yeah exactly!
 
Why did C have trigraphs and digraphs in the first place?
 
@LucDanton Sorry, lol
 
@ThePhD something something terminals
 
template {

} ?
 
Xeo
4:16 PM
Because old keyboards didn't have shit.
 
@sehe Wait that was serious?
 
@LucDanton Yeah.
[Ctrl-A][space]
 
@Xeo They should be deprecated from hte language.
 
Oh sorry I thought it was something else.
 
Not even blind people on braille keyboards use Digraphs or Trigraphs anymore.
They should be removed, as legacy cruft.
 
4:17 PM
@LucDanton Nice motd :)
 
<= =>
Oh god that's horrible. Dx
{} ? No, that's used......
 
I hope there isn't a limit.
 
<$ $> ?
<@ @>
<~ ~>
FISH!
 
<( . )( . )>
 
4:18 PM
lol, it looks silly on the server list.
 
I like the fish syntax.
 
@ThePhD Inventing a new kind language?
 
SO Y U NO INLINE COMMENT?
anyway, that guy needs to chill
 
@GamesBrainiac As an exercise, I take all the language ideas that periodically comes out through the lounge and think about "what would this look like in a language I'd want to use?"
The syntax of the language is so far really close to C++, but with notable differences to make life easy on the compiler and parser so that I can enable better codegen, clarity, developer tooling, and consistency throughout the design.
My biggest issue is eliminating all of the vexing parse issues that come with C++'s C-crufted syntax.
 
@ThePhD You almost sound like ZoidBerg
:P
 
user784668
4:21 PM
> better codegen
 
> Once I've finished the entire app I'll sometimes go back to look at the earliest parts of it and can't believe how inelegant it is.
what?
 
user784668
Yeah, because the syntax is so important after you converted everything to SSA. Err, nope.
 
there's actually people in the world that think the code they wrote yesterday was any good?! Woah
 
@LucDanton You probably saw these:
 
Codegen is an important part of language design that most people immediately throw out when making a language.
 
4:22 PM
2013-03-10 17:18:33 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] Detected leaking worlds in memory. There are 4 worlds that appear to be persisting. A mod is likely caching the world incorrectly
2013-03-10 17:18:33 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] The world 636aa365 (world) has leaked.
2013-03-10 17:18:33 [SEVERE] [ForgeModLoader] The world 77da990d (world) has leaked.
 
Yup.
 
Okay. Just checking
 
Templates are essentially compile-time codegen.
 
@TonyTheLion Sometimes they conclude that the way they designed it was good. I do, sometimes
 
I'd like to extend those codegen with static_for's, asserts, and other things which should make writing what is often ridiculous repetitive code a whole lot easier.
 
user784668
4:23 PM
@ThePhD Ah, so you're reimplementing D?
 
@sehe lol I misread the quote
 
@Fanael I guess so? Haven't had much exposure to D.
 
@TonyTheLion There is no quote?
 
Also, D has a garbage collector. Horrible choice when supporting C-like paradigms. ._.
 
4:24 PM
@sehe I meant the quote I posted
 
user784668
@ThePhD In D, you can make a function that returns a string and then tell the compiler to use that string as code.
 
.... That is not what I want.
 
@TonyTheLion Ah. I see
 
@ThePhD cough
 
user784668
@ThePhD So disable it?
 
4:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What? I think it is. :c
 
@Fanael That's a bad idea.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes So? He thinks it's a good idea, let him do it.
 
D lets you disable GC, but the end result is more like it lets you enable leaks.
 
Xeo
Aw c'mon guys, don't ignore my CPP abuse. :<
 
@Xeo I've notified the language police.
 
4:27 PM
Because both the language and the library are built assuming it is enabled.
 
@Xeo You crushed my language dreams. I'm too traumatized to say anything. :c
 
als
 
I thought that was just the library.
 
D is just WTF.
hash maps in the language?
value and reference types?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/nor/and/
 
Xeo
4:28 PM
I think I have a question for April 1st now.
 
this is not the language which is better than C++.
 
Why not? For either of those?
 
@Xeo I got 100 uvpotes last April 1st.
 
@DeadMG link?
 
@AndreiTita Well, the first is fucking dumb, because hash maps are perfectly implementable as a library feature, and library > language.
 
4:29 PM
@DeadMG yeah, say "it's slow"
 
and the second is fucking dumb because you're artificially crippling flexibility.
 
...it was supposed to be a rhetorical question.
 
It's a terrible rhetorical question.
 
Thank you. I do my best.
 
4:29 PM
115
Q: Why are Standard iterator ranges [begin, end) instead of [begin, end]?

DeadMGWhy does the Standard define end() as one past the end, instead of at the actual end?

 
@AndreiTita Why?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Which one?
 
@LucDanton Because the people here deserve my best.
Wouldn't dream of letting you all down.
 
@AndreiTita It was rhetorical.
 
You're learning.
 
4:30 PM
At this point I'm of course starting to suspect that I missed some key messages but I'm sticking to what I said nonetheless.
 
I need a linux guy
 
19 upvotes is a pet peeve of mine, it's got 20 or 18
 
I have installed glm-dev, but -lglm gives me cannot find. What should I do?
 
@LucDanton strings and arrays are in the language.
@BartekBanachewicz GLM is header-only.
There is no libglm.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah, and those slices.
 
user784668
4:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Do you try -lboost too?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No way. I can't be that retarded.
 
sigh
Of course it's header only.
 
Xeo
Never doubt your own retardity.
 
robot!
 
Xeo
4:36 PM
And of course. If in doubt, you suck.
 
I has compiled another great leap in the history of Wide.
 
lol first line actually
> OpenGL Mathematics (GLM) is a header only C++ mathematics library for graphics software based on the OpenGL Shading Language (GLSL) specification.
 
@Rapptz uh
 
> Stages/Semantic/Util.h:22:10: error: ISO C++ forbids forward references to 'enum' types
no it doesn't, you useless cock.
even MSVC has that
 
4:47 PM
huh
I thought Clang was supposed to support that, and Apache says that it does.
must be missing another of those damn LangOpts.
 
Xeo
What does the forward enum look like?
 
enum X;
 
Xeo
I think you need the underlying type specified.
enum X : int;
ICBWT
 
hmm
MSVC supports it
 
Xeo
Extension, likely.
 
4:49 PM
but hey, that's what I'm compiling with Clang for (partially).
 
user784668
@Xeo yup
 
Xeo
opaque-enum-declaration:
    enum-key attribute-specifier-seq(opt) identifier enum-base(opt);
Hm
> An unscoped enumeration shall not be later redeclared as scoped and each redeclaration shall include an enum-base specifying the same underlying type as in the original declaration.
 
ack
 
Xeo
Seems almost like you don't need it after all.
 
4:53 PM
MinGW won't support std::unordered_map<T, Incomplete>.
 
I've been getting a lot of review audits lately
 
Xeo
(Key and) value types to standard containers always need to be complete types, IIRC.
 
user784668
@DeadMG libstdc++, not MinGW
 
@Fanael Whatevs.
also
tits, debug Clang takes so long.
 
and I am getting undefined refences to __glew
 
4:58 PM
How?
 
GLM does not depend on GLEW.
 
I am using GLEW too
it just throws undefined references at me
 

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