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7:00 PM
anyone got some bitmaps lying around they don't mind sharing?
 
@A.H. of?
 
@A.H. google does
 
@Pawnguy7 anything
 
@Fanael It's all about getting your target group. If you want to make a game, you can set a minimal requirements (which every game does). Then it's about balancing more income vs ease of development and more features.
 
0xDEADBEEF
You're welcome.
 
7:00 PM
@Borgleader can I filter by type?
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't see why I should be much worse (or much better) than you, really. But apparently it's not about the constructive discussion, and more about boosting someone's self-esteem
 
Um.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Either cache is too stronk or it's still an example site. No redirect?
 
Make something in Paint. Ta-da.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And hey hey hey this is why we call Intel GPUs terrible pieces of shit (because of so many bad ones, supporting them is nigh impossible), congratulations
@BartekBanachewicz What
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE
 
7:02 PM
@Rapptz DNS cache, probably.
 
Why would you buy an Intel GPU when you can buy an NVIDIA GPU?
 
There's nothing there anyway.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think it's simply unfair considering how many new ones are around and how gamers don't really have the old ones.
 
But they do
 
@EtiennedeMartel Because it comes in your CPU for free
 
7:02 PM
Is the whole fucking point
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you back that by anything?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz My PC.
 
okay we have one.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Now the onus is on you to disprove the existence of my PC.
 
Can you back that by anything?
 
7:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Well, here's the thing: there's basically no Intel stuff on mobile, and most PC gamers want performance.
 
I only have reports of OpenGL bugs I got while working on a OpenGL game, all from Intel shitty GPUs
 
So, Intel is either inadequate or simply not present.
 
chromium, y u no install
 
@EtiennedeMartel LoL wouldn't be popular if it didn't support garbage GPUs.
 
7:03 PM
You otoh have wishful thinking
 
user784668
INTEL SUCKS!
 
So I guess I win
 
@Rapptz LoL is popular because it's free.
 
Steam hardware survey seems to be broken
 
Sure, the fact that it can run on a toaster helps.
 
7:03 PM
But it's still 15% Intel
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think there's quite a lot intel in mobile, and much more and coming.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wishful thinking if you don't think it supporting garbage GPUs doesn't help.
 
If I had to guess, majority of those 15% are those shitty old ones, not the newest 2012/2013 ones
 
@BartekBanachewicz Quite a lot? Where? It's ARM all accross the board.
 
Being a free game doesn't automatically make it popular, it has to support a wide audience too.
 
7:04 PM
But there doesn't seem to be any details available right now so there's that
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel ARM GPUs?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Windows RT was seen as a huge failure, whereas x86 android works very well.
 
As for GPUs, it's either PowerVR or Tegra.
 
@Fanael ARM GPU division is called Mali
@EtiennedeMartel uhm... what about Adreno?
 
And again with the cutting edge bullshit that doesn't matter when looking at the market as a whole
:cripes:
 
7:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Right, forgot about that one.
 
Also ValleyView is still in development.
 
w/e sending shit to space
 
Incidentally, Adreno, Tegra and PowerVR are the three things our engine supports on mobile.
 
I think that upcoming intel mobile GPUs look very promising
 
For all intents and purpose, we don't even consider Intel on mobile because it's almost non existent.
For the same reason we still have no WinPhone support..
No need investing money in shit nobody's going to use.
 
7:07 PM
Bah, but of course, the number of ARM phones is still much higher
 
The market is too small.
 
but in general Atom-powered tablets and phones are extremely fast
compared to what others have.
that's just any benchmark, you don't have to trust me on that
 
Doesn't matter. Nobody uses them because Atom used to suck and as such the brand is dead.
(Great move for them to keep the same name, by the way)
 
But it's better this time promise!
 
@EtiennedeMartel I disagree really.
Also I don't remember Atom chips really "sucking" as you say.
 
user784668
7:09 PM
Atoms are in-order.
 
user784668
Thus they suck.
 
Wait what
 
user784668
All good x86 are OoO.
 
> Biggest void in space is 1 billion light years across
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus That.
 
7:10 PM
That must be a lonely place.
 
Grues are there
 
user784668
@StackedCrooked Sounds like the place Bartek is writing from.
 
A place where Intel makes good GPUs
 
Arg, my two-part message encountered a race.
 
Tell it not to bet, it's a bad habit
 
7:12 PM
GPUs are CPUs too!
 
user784668
Meh.
 
That damn GPU privilege.
 
No shader shaming
 
eh, I'm out. When it takes that form it's useless to talk with you.
 
Well I for one I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, so yeah, I'll just make fun of shit and don't give a fuck
 
7:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz One day you'll realize Intel GPUs are shit. And then you'll update your profile accordingly.
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel He won't, he works for Intel.
 
Must defend company product beep boop
 
How can an OP with 1830 rep post 'cout << x++ + --x + y++ - y-- + z;'?
 
user784668
Okay, I'm not sure how the fuck is that word spelled. "won't"? "wo'nt"? "w'o'n't'''''''''"?
 
"won't"
"will not"
Contractions are weird sometimes
 
user784668
7:16 PM
Fuck English.
2
 
English is not that bad. really.
 
@MartinJames Rep has nothing to do with anything.
 
rep is all!
 
user1804599
Dutch ftw.
 
7:26 PM
Another moon visited
 
@ScottW is he swedish? (fucking obscure reference)
Vulcan in the streets, Klingon in the sheets
 
You know how teachers frown upon using Wikipedia as a source?
Does that apply to pictures on Wikipedia?
I want to steal a flowchart.
 
Of what
 
A flowchart is a type of diagram that represents an algorithm or process, showing the steps as boxes of various kinds, and their order by connecting them with arrows. This diagrammatic representation illustrates a solution to a given problem. Process operations are represented in these boxes, and arrows; rather, they are implied by the sequencing of operations. Flowcharts are used in analyzing, designing, documenting or managing a process or program in various fields. Overview Flowcharts are used in designing and documenting complex processes or programs. Like other types of diagrams...
Of a flowchart.
Oh. Strange.
I thought it took the first picture.
 
Yes, this needs a source
 
7:29 PM
 
A reliable source of what flowchart is
 
Well yes, I will cite it.
For the picture.
 
I wouldn't trust that flowchart. Wikipedia is full of lies.
 
I just don't know if there is a blanket Wikipedia blacklist.
 
Ugh nobody will care where you got a picture of example flowchart from
It's not scientific shit, it's just a flowchart
Gah
 
7:30 PM
I don't know. I think I lost points on this kind of thing before.
 
You need to write a paper about flow charts?
 
user1804599
Make a flow chart about flow charts.
 
~teacher sees wikipedia in URL~ "you used Wikipedia, shame on you"
 
You need a reliable citation about what flowchart is
Yes
Entire science community will disown you if you don't
 
I would think they are fairly... self-explanatory.
 
7:31 PM
In my school we used these block diagrams instead of flow charts.
 
Yes, that's why I'm highly sarcastic about this
 
Here is what I am doing.
 
Nassi-Shneider diagrams, now I remember.
 
As you probably know, I like making... generators and stuff.
So, I am making a powerpoint on procedural content generation.
 
Pseudo-code is more useful imo.
 
user1804599
7:33 PM
@StackedCrooked We had to make those in college.
 
And you need a useless flowchart from Wikipedia for...?
 
I was going for what a procedure is.
 
user1804599
My teacher got mad because I implemented the algorithm in C++ before making the NSD, instead of making the NSD first and then implementing it in Java.
 
Not sure if it is needed.
 
@rightfold Yep, the first year in college I had to draw lots of those.
 
user1804599
7:33 PM
We had to make one.
 
Just make a flowchart of sample generator
 
user1804599
We had to make several in highschool.
 
user1804599
Using this tool, which could execute them.
 
The pseudo-code-programming-process as described in Code Complete is sometimes useful.
 
Later in this powerpoint, I plan to explain steps of something I made. Basically like this.
 
7:34 PM
Summarise it, I'll never read a programming book
@Pawnguy7 Then just do that
Are you talking to complete idiots
 
General public, anyway.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked The same teacher gave me negative points because I didn’t use the same pseudocode syntax as the one he taught us pseudocode with.
 
"I'm going to show you a flowchart of terrain generation. But first, something about what flowcharts actually are!"
 
user1804599
It was about the moment I stopped giving a fuck.
 
Not sure if I can just go "turn all grass touching water to sand", or if I should go for flowcharts.
 
7:35 PM
"Good morning and welcome to flowchart 101"
 
1. Write rough algorithm as comments. 2. Refine. 3. Replace comments with real code. (Or keep them as documentation.
 
@rightfold :cripes:
 
user1804599
I used Python syntax instead of a mix of BASIC and SQL syntax.
 
I just want to get the idea across that a procedure is this... logical set of steps you follow.
 
I want to talk about space, not education
Let's talk about space
 
7:36 PM
Not really what a flowchart is.
 
Where are my spacebuddies
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked 1. Implement algorithm in language it needs to be implemented in.
 
@Pawnguy7 Seriously, are you talking to complete morons
 
I don't know.
 
You don't even need to be a programmer to know what a procedure is, it's a common term
 
7:38 PM
I was going with "assume the user's know nothing"
I have no idea.
I was explaining my outline of this to somebody, and they seemed confused.
 
Don't forget to explain what presentation is before doing a presentation proper
 
@rightfold It's useful if the algorithm is complicated because you don't need to worry about syntactical correctness when writing pseudo-code comments.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked You’ll need to worry about English.
 
So a procedure is common knowledge?
 
I do have a problem. You claim to have a waifu when you really don't. You are an insult to people with real waifus.
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7:39 PM
@rightfold you can fix that afterwards, before committing
 
user1804599
Same with programming language. vOv
 
@Pawnguy7 You can explain what "procedural" means, because it's not really related to procedures per se
 
@CatPlusPlus I would think it means "in a fashion that uses procedures"
 
But don't say "it's when you do certain things in a certain way"
No
 
user1804599
Yum, Ruby.
 
7:41 PM
> of or relating to procedure
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
user1804599
Ruby is a rack.
 
All software is using procedures
In that meaning adding "procedural" to anything is redundant
Loading premade levels uses procedures
 
Sigh.
 
Thats it! Unintalling Ubuntu and installing Mint
 
7:42 PM
tbh I'm now wondering why that adjective is used at all
 
Well.
 
But explain the difference between loading premade stuff and generating it on the fly
 
@GamesBrainiac embrace the debian
 
Is what I mean
 
Assuming generation means level/world/whatever. The creation of it, specifically.
Then it is creating it using a procedure.
 
7:43 PM
You can generate a level and then save it and load it and it wouldn't really be procedural content
 
But yes, pretty much everything is procedures.
Well yes.
But then you are just loading generation.
You are not generating it.
 
@ScottW Yes, that's why I'm saying all this
@Pawnguy7 Which is my point yes
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@Pawnguy7 You can explain what "procedural" means, because it's not really related to procedures per se
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
But explain the difference between loading premade stuff and generating it on the fly
 
Well, that seems to be the term that is used, so I am going to use it.
I doubt normal people care about the difference.
 
user1804599
Even basic instructions are procedures.
 
@ScottW ART is a new Android runtime being introduced experimentally in the 4.4 release.
@ScottW The name
 
7:47 PM
Knowing Android it's still bad
 
If you take a table spoon of baking soda and drink a large glass of water then the water will pass through your bowels quickly without being absorbed. They say it causes diarrhea, but it's more like peeing from your ass.
Yeah.
Might be useful to prepare for anal sex.
 
Tab completion with final slash (/) for symbolic links to directories: echo "set mark-symlinked-directories on" >> ~/.inputrc
Little things like this make life so much better.
 
I remember once.
Back when I knew how to use powerpoint.
I made an animation of a stick figure on a trampoline.
Those were the days...
 
I'm so lonely (I play piano and bass)
 
7:58 PM
Hrm.
Chrome copied a png, and filled the transparency with black.
 

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