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6:00 PM
@LucDanton Doesn't matter?
If x + y returns by value, it already has the throwing behaviour of returning its result by value.
noexcept(x + y) is good enough. (Didn't we just conclude this about an hour ago?)
 
Or it's non-overloaded in which case doesn't matter either, alright then.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm making sure.
 
Can the compiler automatically deduce noexcept?
 
@Rapptz It exposes that functionality to query it.
 
Like int f(int x) { return x + 4; } is obviously noexcept, so would it mark it as such?
Also I don't like doing noexcept(expr) :|
 
6:03 PM
It's allowed to (I think -- didn't examine that closely) and it can perform that, much like it has to do for special members.
 
You have to do it yourself. But the functionality is there.
 
you end up with auto f(stuff) noexcept(longexpr) -> decltype(longexpr) {}
 
Oh, that would affect noexcept(f(0)) though.
 
(hence the noexcept(auto) talk sometime ago)
 
decltype(auto) auto(auto) noexcept(auto) { return auto; }
 
6:04 PM
lol
 
@Rapptz I know. I have just spent the entire day bitching about that :S
 
Yeah my current solution is not doing the noexcept :( (i.e., I'm bad etc)
I should probably just patch it in
 
@Rapptz Meh, I decided that I only do it on super generic pass-through crap, swaps, ctors, and dtors.
 
It's fine. I still think noexcept is mostly useful for implementing the strong guarantee, and I expect most code to only need or provide basic.
 
6:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't bother with providing swap these days. I've never much used it though.
 
That looks like a clean API
 
So I got a response about my bug report about SourceForge not showing the OpenID login:
They allow access now with a special parameter.
 
user1804599
> type tree = Leaf of int | Node of tree * tree
 
user1804599
OCaml tree, OCaml treeā€¦
 
Why are you still using SF
 
6:09 PM
I guess I'll try that JSON parser
looks decent
 
user1804599
 
@CatPlusPlus Why not?
 
It's awful and has been doing some shitty things lately
 
@rightfold lol...
 
user1804599
> LOL MSDN
 
6:13 PM
Arrite, I've installed Ubuntu, what are the first things I should be doing?
 
@Rapptz Does that mean @sehe let you down?
 
Also, how you you set environment variables in terminal?
 
@LucDanton No it's just.. Spirit takes so long to compile you know :(
 
@GamesBrainiac Get vim-gtk, or is it vim-gnome?
@Rapptz You might want to check the header again.
And/or use a real build system.
 
@LucDanton will do! :)
 
6:14 PM
Hey. I use a real build system!
 
That's 'or' then.
 
@CatPlusPlus Moving a projects has its costs. Beside that, I use Bazaar VCS now. I like it and I am not going to convert again, so my options are limited.
 
Yeah I just realised the header only has variant
So I could try sehe's too
 
Launchpad is primary bzr hosting
 
@GamesBrainiac get all the compilers !
 
user784668
6:15 PM
@GamesBrainiac Install Windows.
 
(Why would you use bzr)
 
@A.H. Hiya bro! :D
 
Beside the OpenID issue, and beside that they are not supporting Bazaar any more, I think SF has improved a bit in the last few years.
 
@Fanael I knew someone was going to say that XD
 
@GamesBrainiac hey
 
6:16 PM
It's an ancient relic
 
@CatPlusPlus I have moved log4cplus sources there exactly because of that.
 
It was good only when there were no better alternatives
Well, not good, acceptable
 
@CatPlusPlus: I have converted about a year and half ago from SVN. I have evaluated GIT but it is still like assembler of VCS. Powerful but needlessly complicated.
 
Haven't tried it, but there's (apparently) at least one other JSON parser written with Spirit: codeproject.com/Articles/20027/…
 
Not really
 
6:17 PM
is it weird that my bitmap "library" only works with one bitmap?
 
Also there's Mercurial
 
@JerryCoffin I think due to familiarity, I trust @sehe a bit more with Spirit. I haven't tried that one though (obviously).
 
user784668
@wilx Git is like Linux: written by a moron and not at all better than the alternatives.
 
@CatPlusPlus I was deciding between Mercurial and Bazaar. Bazaar seemed a little bit better at that time.
 
@Rapptz Btw I was joking. Just wanted it to remind everyone make it look like you hate @sehe.
 
6:19 PM
@Rapptz Fair enough--as I said, I haven't tested this one, nor do I know much about it beyond being aware of its existence.
 
@LucDanton Oh no, I legitimately thought the header had some of the spirit headers in it. I guess I assumed too much there.
 
@Fanael hey come on. Its good enough for most things :P
 
TBH, I expect BitBucket to phase out Mercurial support in a year or two as well. It seems Git has won all the technical battles and the UI and workflows are improving bit by bit.
 
It won't
 
^u crazy
 
user784668
6:20 PM
@wilx Make Git work on Windows.
 
killing off mercurial in bitbucket would be an incredibly dumb move.
 
Mercurial hosting market is practically theirs
 
Yeah.
 
It'd be extremely dumb to abandon it
 
6:20 PM
Hey since we're talking about BB again, remember to express your outrage.
 
user784668
@LucDanton Stop spamming.
 
I will. But can't login from here.
 
@LucDanton Okay. I'll make an impromptu comment.
 
@Fanael "Your rampant spam is outrageous"?
 
How do I mention someone? I'm going to assume it's the same syntax everyone uses and hope I don't look like an idiot.
 
6:22 PM
No idea.
 
Bought a new domain.
 
Yeah it's @stuff
It even supports spaces. I don't think SO chat does.
 
It supports underlining, too.
 
lol
 
Will (fail to) post reviews of crappy "C++" libraries at www.cppsadness.com.
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@LucDanton lol
 
6:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you're hurting for writing I hear it's nanowrimo.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I always seem to find those.
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh cool.
 
lol bloated
> This domain is established to be used for illustrative examples in documents. You may use this domain in examples without prior coordination or asking for permission.
 
I don't like when people use the acronym GCC. It already means Alanine and GNU Compiler Collection :(
 
6:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why are you visiting example.com?
 
> How to fix GCCs vid. How effective is it?
 
omg bitmaps store pixel data as BGR ?!
wtf is wrong with these people
 
Ah..
Gamecube Controller..
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I visited cppsadness.com
@A.H. it's faster (I'm serious)
 
@BartekBanachewicz no way you are serious
 
6:35 PM
@A.H. sure as fuck I am.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I get that for cppsadness.com too
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah. Oh. I had forgotten that I set up my default zone file to point to some example.com IP.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehe
 
@BartekBanachewicz ok I will bite, how does that make it faster ? (whatever it is)
 
@A.H. GPU insides
someshit about its internal processing and stuff
 
6:37 PM
BGR is just RGB with different endianness
 
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus except when it's BGRA
 
I guess the bigger mystery is how did that one bitmap load perfectly when I assumed RGB
 
> rmartinho created repository cppsadness 2 minutes ago
 
@Rapptz squeeee
star it follow it watch it
 
6:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Does that mean GL_BGR internal format is faster than GL_RGB?
 
@Borgleader it can be faster
Probably not on Intel, though.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Everything is slow on Intel.
 
@LucDanton by your command...
 
@Fanael meh, that's uneducated FUD
also a trolling so...
 
@Fanael nice try troll
 
user784668
6:40 PM
Oh, right.
 
user784668
You live in a world where Intel makes the fastest GPUs.
 
Hey, they support OpenGL 2.0 now, how can you say they're slow
 
lol you're talking about intel GPUs
 
Phew, finally home
 
I will never not laugh at Intel GPUs
 
6:42 PM
@TonyTheLion Hai <3<3<3<3<3
 
Fuck, I can stop thinking, and start doing nothing
 
Play Kerbal Space Program
 
@Borgleader Hi Babe <3
 
I heard the Haswell integrated chip is "okay"
 
It rivals some of the lower end discrete gpus
 
user784668
6:43 PM
Wow.
 
There's so many bad mobile Intel GPUs in the wild that the cutting edge doesn't really make anything better
 
user784668
IOW, it's slow.
 
Next OpenGL thing I'm making, I'll just flat out not support Intel GPUs at all
Fuck yo OpenGL 1.4 mobile shit
 
what's the gripe with Intel's GPU stuff?
 
they suck
 
6:45 PM
They were ridiculously bad up until about 2 years ago, when they got a little better
(They implemented OpenGL 2.0)
 
Just port software MESA to Mac/Windows.
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion They're FAST, just ask @Bartek.
 
yesterday's xkcd made me laugh so much
 
Just look at this table
This page contains information about Intel's GPUs and motherboard graphics chipsets in table form. In 1982 Intel licensed the NEC ĀµPD7220 and announced it as the Intel 82720 Graphics Display Controller. First generation {| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 85%; text-align:center" |- ! rowspan=2 | Graphics ||rowspan=2| Launch || rowspan=2 | Market || rowspan=2 | Chipset || rowspan=2 | Code name || rowspan=2 | Device id. || rowspan=2 | Core renderclock (MHz) || rowspan=2 | Pixel pipelines || rowspan=2 | Shader model(vertex/pixel) || colspan=3 | API support || rowspan=2 | Memory bandwi...
 
user784668
6:47 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's FUD and troll.
 
Look at years and OpenGL versions
> Fifth generation
> Launch: 2010 OpenGL: 2.1
 
@CatPlusPlus what
 
they support OpenGL 4.0 on Windows now
lol
 
@Fanael in mobile applications they're pretty fast
@CatPlusPlus 4.2 FYI
@Rapptz 4.4 is coming
 
5 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
There's so many bad mobile Intel GPUs in the wild that the cutting edge doesn't really make anything better
 
6:48 PM
I don't even know what to say about that.
Their target audience was different
 
Hurray they implemented OpenGL 2.1 in AD 2010
 
Or how about ANGLE. Gets you OpenGL ES 2.0.
 
ES is shit.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Compared to drawing with crayons, perhaps.
 
@Fanael Iris Pro is faster than GeForces that take the same amount of power
 
6:49 PM
Oh they dropped the dumb HD Graphics name?
 
@BartekBanachewicz How about "I have no idea how much pain it is to maintain Intel GPU support in OpenGL apps"
 
@Rapptz nope, lower cards are still called that
Iris are Intel's high end
 
lol that name is so bad
who buys high end Intel GPUs?
Isn't there something better to waste money on?
 
@Rapptz people who don't want to have another GPU in their tablet or ultrabook?
 
"High end Intel GPU" sounds extremely funny
 
user784668
6:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz If that's what you're comparing, they lose to crayons. And badly.
 
Gooo PowerVR.
 
I think that your unwarranted prejudice isn't funny at all, but then again I don't feel particularly obliged to defend Intel's products.
 
user784668
So yeah, crayons > Intel GPUs.
 
We know that you're required to fawn over your company products by corporate policy, but spare us please
 
however, too get facts straight, our OpenGL compliance isn't really much worse than NVidia
@CatPlusPlus no, it's more like you talking bullshit which I want to get straight
 
6:52 PM
OpenGL is dying anyway, just like Direct3D. Too much overhead. The future lies in low level APIs.
 
Which part of "not latest GPUs" did you not get
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol'd
 
@Rapptz I'm serious.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus But but but who uses 2010 hardware anymore?!?
 
Or at least that's what most AAA gamedevs believe.
 
6:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus that was years ago.
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel Writing directly to GPU registers is awesome!
 
That was THREE years ago
 
I mean, sure totally if you're making a game for an old hardware it coutns
 
user784668
Ask any PS3 developer.
 
@Fanael That's not what it's about.
 
6:53 PM
You always make games for old hardware
 
@EtiennedeMartel Who cares about portability. I want muh low level APIs like mantle!
 
@CatPlusPlus long enough to make complete hw replacements
 
No, it's not
 
I just think it's hilarious.
 
@CatPlusPlus tell that to AAA producers
 
user784668
6:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Lies. That's the most low-level, and low-level is the best.
 
@Rapptz If NVIDIA ships an API, everyone's going to use it.
 
@CatPlusPlus We get new PCs every 3 years
 
Even AMD.
 
@EtiennedeMartel not really
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz You do.
 
6:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel You mean like everyone used CUDA?
 
Also OpenGL is pretty fast.
 
You're not a typical user jesus christ, nobody gets a new PC every 3 years
 
@BartekBanachewicz Again, you seem to forget that thing called "politics".
 
Or how everyone's flocking to Mantle. I suppose.
 
Old hardware is extremely common still
 
6:54 PM
CUDA was the worst thing to happen to GPGPU.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz So basically what you're saying is "you're all dumb everybody knows all people are Bartek Banachewicz".
 
@EtiennedeMartel I can't.
 
Not that OpenCL is bette per se. (no experience here)
 
@Fanael that was just an example, which isn't so isolated
I mean, GTX 560 costs $150
come on.
 
@Rapptz Give it time.
 
6:55 PM
Pushed bare site. Now let's see if I can find the way to that party.
Later.
 
@EtiennedeMartel won't happen. The advantages over OpenGL are minuscule compared to gains
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why would I? Nvidia's not going to implement it because they're stubborn as fuck and why would a game developer kill off support for one of the major GPU card manufacturers?
 
I know there's a lot of poor people around, but you can get new low-end GPU for pennies.
@Rapptz Intel won't support it either.
Neither will Qualcomm and Mali
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz That's still expensive for some people.
 
@Fanael then those people will get your game off pirate bay anyway
 
6:57 PM
If you are poor.
 
Mantle feels like AMD exercising its monopoly over the console GPU market.
 
I don't imagine you are getting new GPU's.
 
but meh, that's just tinfoiling.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So what?
It doesn't fucking matter
 
6:59 PM
ITT Bartek can only think like Bartek
 
"Oh right those GPUs are so cheap so clearly NOBODY uses the old ones"
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Explain (I know you can't).
 
You're very good at market analysis
And internal logic
:thumbsup:
 
Poor people use Intel GPUs because it comes with their PCs.
 

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