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9:00 PM
@sehe I know. I gave mine.
 
@Drise it could detect that the string is const, and use the same logic I guess. I don't think I'd dare though, too much room for error. One typo and your code compiles, and then doesn't do what you want for no obvious reason.
 
@MooingDuck When would that even be useful, if at all?
 
Jun 16 at 20:27, by sehe
In unrelated: Kyrostat reminds of of stuff that burns intensely, for a short period of time.
 
@Drise there's probably cases, but they wouldn't be common. Making sure user input matches some locale configuration thing for instance.
 
@MooingDuck Yea, I think thats about all I could come up with.
 
9:03 PM
I'm having such a hard time being motivated to work today. So I'm editing SO questions instead. Am I a bad person? :-)
 
@MooingDuck Btw, if we ever were to meet, I would buy you a really nice dinner... or something. You've been beyond the nicest person on the internet to me, and the most helpful.
 
@Drise Here here!
 
@Drise That's a sweet thing to say to someone ;-)
 
@Drise I taught him everyfin he knows!
 
@JonathanSeng If you're implying that I might be bi/gay, you're probably right.
Well
 
9:05 PM
@DeadMG hardly. I did learn a lot from you, but also, the robot, sehe, the cat, mysticial, nd a ton of other people.
 
@Drise Ummm, no... Just that that was a nice compliment....
 
Not gay. I like the company of a woman far too much.
 
And suddenly, the funny room just became uncomfortable.
 
I'm a bad person. :-)
 
@JonathanSeng :D
 
9:06 PM
I guess that's the universe squaring out a compliment on a compliment.
 
@JonathanSeng I'm good at that :P
 
@JonathanSeng Nah...
 
@Drise it seems rather unlikely I'll ever be in your neighborhood
 
@MooingDuck (I think he wants sex)
 
@MooingDuck I could probably get you a job here if I tried hard enough.
 
9:07 PM
@MooingDuck How cool would it be to have a Lounge meet-up though?
 
@Drise pft. I have a job here.
 
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@Chimera Expensive as all hell
 
@Drise That's true.
 
I love people bandying about jobs they can get for people.
 
9:08 PM
@JonathanSeng I already got my ex-fiance's mother a job where I work. Talk about awkward.
 
My dishes need to be done. Anybody want a job? :-)
 
Even better, she was employee #20
 
@Chimera I don't know of any loungers within... I was going to say a thousand miles of me, but Tony moved. So.. 2500 miles of me
 
@Chimera :p
 
@Drise Oh, thats gotta be like walking int antarctica every morning.
 
9:09 PM
@MooingDuck Yeah, it would be expensive for most people.
 
@JonathanSeng What's even better, I'm going to be working quite a bit with her in a 10' X 15' room for the coming months.
 
@Chimera I tried talking my fiance into letting me visit a few loungers while we're on our honeymoon in Europe, but she wasn't buying it.
 
@Drise Is this punishment?
 
@MooingDuck Huh. If Tony made it a 1000 miles, it should still be roughly that. (GamErix, Stackedcrooked, daknok, me and maybe others should live <50km from where he used to live?)
 
@MooingDuck Hmmm, that's weird, my wife let me go hang gliding while on our honey moon.,
 
9:10 PM
@JonathanSeng No, coincidence. We were engaged. This wasn't supposed to happen. I wasn't supposed to be single again.
 
@Chimera I guess she's really in it for the life insurance :0
 
@Drise Are you feeling better about the whole thing?
@sehe LOL!!!!
 
I guess someone lives in the middle of nowhere.
 
@JonathanSeng We should send a Curiosity Rover II
 
I'd love to meet @DeadMG
 
9:12 PM
@Drise Family/friends and business are hard to make work.
@sehe Not on my salary.
 
I wonder what he is like in real life.
 
@Chimera It's been coming and going. Lately my dreams have been messing with me. Like last night, I dreamt I flew out to Germany, and met up with her, and told her how much I missed her, and I was crying in the dream, and I woke up and was still crying. It's been rough.
 
@sehe Tony was in the USA at the time
(but we kicked him out)
 
@MooingDuck That makes a bit more sense then
 
@Drise Sorry to hear that. Hopefully in time it will get better. Dreams like that are no fun.
 
9:13 PM
@MooingDuck lol
 
user406009
I want @DeadMG to record himself reading one of his best comments.
 
@Chimera I think the worst part is that I'm so terribly lonely. I have so much love just bottling up with no where to put it/spend it.
 
@EthanSteinberg Only one?
 
I was disappointed to miss 200 reputation yesterday by 9.
 
@EthanSteinberg Also: mumble
 
9:14 PM
@Drise Yeah I hear you. I didn't realize how lonely I was until I met my wife. I couldn't imagine being single again.
 
user406009
Ah, I forgot about the mumble server. Are people actually online?
 
@JonathanSeng That's only 5 edits.
 
@Chimera I didn't imagine being single again, and now look at me.
 
@Drise Well, give it some time before getting back into the dating scene...
 
Anyone know if i can use the echo command in linux to display (not content) certain files ? :)
 
9:16 PM
@Chimera Meh. I miss the company of a woman.
 
@Beginnernato What do you mean by not content?
 
@EthanSteinberg quite a lengthy session with 3 yesterday
 
user406009
Nope
 
@Beginnernato Oh hi! Thanks for barging in!
 
ma ad lol
bad*
 
9:16 PM
@Beginnernato ?
 
@Drise It becomes clear that women and men are made for each other ( in most cases ) when we don't have them around.
 
@Drise You should apologize for just continuing despite his urgent greetings
He knows, alrite
He's not exactly new here
 
@sehe I... what.. I'm... confused.
Oh..
 
@Beginnernato What are you trying to do?
 
@Drise Humor? It's after B and before Q in the dictionary
@Chimera I think he has heard about shell globbing and wonders whether you really could have a poor-man's ls command with echo *.cpp or similar
 
9:19 PM
@sehe yeah that could be
 
Ok, I'm going to go grill.
Bye folks.
 
@Drise Enjoy!
 
@Drise later
 
Bye
 
@Chimera iunno suppose i wanted to show all non-hidden files in the current directory starting with say "the" and followed by two digits? ... i tried echo the[0-9][0-9]* but it doesn't seem to work?
 
user406009
9:21 PM
@Beginnernato I think the find command is what you are looking for.
 
user406009
Or ls with a grep after would probably work as well if you only want to search the current directory(not sub-directories).
 
@Beginnernato should work. However, find is much more advanced: find -regex
@EthanSteinberg And you have no funny names with whitespace, quotes, newlines or other stuff
 
Ohh i thought i could use echo, alrite i'll look into the find command
 
user406009
Yep "ls -l | grep "the[0-9][0-9]" " seems to work for simple cases.
 
@Beginnernato Just ask on Stack Overflow. Quality answers. With code. In minutes
 
9:23 PM
@sehe will do aha
 
`grep -E '^the[0-9][0-9]'`
Still same caveats about filenames
 
@sehe: turns out my problem yesterday with valgrind and sockets wasn't neither valgrind or the client app; it was actually a race condition in the server app
 
@netcoder Sooo... I was partly right:
yesterday, by sehe
@netcoder This tells me that valgrind output is making it to the socket. Quite simply. This either means you're mixing filedescriptors up or stream buffers. Is the application threading? Is there a shared buffer?
 
@sehe: yes, yes totally, you were
:)
 
^ if there was a race in the data to be streamed, this qualifies (in the most general sense) as 'mixing up (stream) buffers'. It could be rather more specific, of course
 
9:33 PM
damn
I should sleep soon
I read that as "vaginal output is making it to the socket"
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@netcoder Anyways, I'm very happy you found it. Those deats aren't small ones. You get the experience only by cracking these 'hard' nuts
@DeadMG Somewhat, but slightly less attractive
 
so now we're on the topic of vaginal output and hard nuts eh
 
Stars needs less predictable addressing schemes. Perhaps for that, we need 1024-bit address space
 
fucking php, flagging rtfm as offensive
 
@sehe far more addresses in 128bit than stars
 
9:38 PM
@MooingDuck bit hard for me to do the count
 
Hy...

is it good practice to avoid "proteced" access?
i can always use get/set instead?
 
@netcoder this is truly hilarious
 
@sehe between 10 sextillion and 1 septillion stars
 
@netcoder RTFM is offensive for many reasons.
@Srle Yes.
 
@MooingDuck Also, that was the point: you want to keep it unpredictable. As it is, the stars in this room are way too predictable
 
9:39 PM
@Srle But, with anything, if you have a good reason, use it. Its there to be used for good reasons.
@sehe Are you calling yourself a star?
 
@Srle protected is fine, IMO. get()/set(), not so much. We don't have std::enterprise::PaulaBean
@JonathanSeng har har
 
Okay, so, lets see if the cable tech cuts my line because I'm a commercial account in a residental area.
 
@JonathanSeng no, it's not, because it's true
 
i find it maybe more safer, to use get/set
 
truth cannot be offensive
 
Xeo
9:42 PM
Phantomflag.. ugh
 
@sehe there's 3.4028237e+14 times as many addresses in128 bit than stars. You're right that that's not quite enough for one current internet per star.
 
@netcoder RTFM is based around a cuss word, as such it is by definition offensive.
 
@JonathanSeng Maybe if you're American.
 
@JonathanSeng I'm going to summarize this debate by saying that in this chat room we don't (as a whole) find cuss words offensive.
 
@netcoder Telling someon RTFM is only slightly better than "Piss Off." It does actually tell them the answer might be in the manual.
 
9:43 PM
The answer for RTFMed problems usually is in manual.
 
here in this fucking room, we don't consider fucking cuss words to be offensive, generally
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@JonathanSeng I don't find curse words offensive
 
And if anyone is offended by RTFM then they should get out of the Internet.
 
And, having been told RTFM multiple times after reading the manual, I can tell you quite succinctly that it says something about people who say it.
 
even if you call me a "fucking idiot", the "fucking" is not offensive
calling me an idiot is
 
user406009
9:44 PM
I think we need a room description change to commemorate Seng.
 
although it's not offensive either, because it's true :P
 
@JonathanSeng Not really. It said something about those people.
 
@CatPlusPlus Bold statement. However, offline and in a professional environment, that statement doesn't flyu.
 
RTFM is a perfectly valid response to people who didn't read the manual.
@JonathanSeng This isn't offline nor professional.
this is an online chatroom- what are you expecting?
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@DeadMG touché
 
9:45 PM
In my offline and professional environment this is mild, and your environment is boring.
 
besides I use RTFM in a professional environment all the time
I even yell it out very loudly sometimes, in its entirety
I don't get the bad looks, the person who should have read the fucking manual does
 
Three hours ago @Beginnernato asked on SO:
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Q: Echo command-line Questions

BeginnernatoSo I'm new to linux and I'm try to learn the echo command My first question is that I'm try to display all the files names (not content) in a certain directory of extention .txt without being that directory I tried this cd /directory/ | echo *.{txt} but it doesnt work Similarly what if I want...

And one of the answers shows that this works:
[jrn] ~/SO > ls the[0-9][0-9]
the11
Not sure why he was here with the same question then.
 
@Chimera Help vampire.
 
Whoohooo 1.8K rep.. closing in a 2K
 
@DeadMG Agreeing
 
9:50 PM
@sehe I agree with your face!
 
@DeadMG Even though it's ugly? Gee, the puppy really is getting milder
 
@DeadMG What you do in an online chat room is fine. If you want to be offensive here and people are happy with that, then everyone is happy. But it is offensive and derogatory and to use it on people is disrespectful.
 
^ balls
 
"Use it on people" - we're people too :)
 
grow some ;-)
respect is nothing but an illusion created by society to control people
 
9:52 PM
@netcoder Now, that statement got close to being flagged.
 
fuck respect!
 
don't flag things in here
that just pisses off everybody
 
@DeadMG Agreeing
 
@JonathanSeng Komodo Does, how many employees?
 
Personally insulting someone in a manner that is not even friendly humor is not acceptable in any venue.
 
9:53 PM
@JonathanSeng It's also disrespectful for them to come here and ask me to spend my time helping them when they couldn't be bothered to help themselves.
 
@Chimera 1.
@DeadMG So, your answer is to escalate disrespect.
 
@JonathanSeng You may be right, but you won't win that battle in this room. This room has it's very own set of social values.
 
@Chimera this is new to me... Lounge<C++> having social values? :P
 
@JonathanSeng I don't give people respect unless they earn it. If you act like a help vampire, then you've definitely not earned it.
 
@netcoder LOL
 
9:55 PM
@Chimera That is a fair enough answer. Telling someone to grow balls to put up with you isn't.
 
@JonathanSeng You won't ever get anywhere telling people that what they say is unacceptable.
because let me give you a hint: they don't give a shit about whether or not you find it acceptable
 
@DeadMG Then humanity goes to dog shit and never improves.
 
@JonathanSeng: it's way too late for that
 
not really
one of the most basic tenets of human society is tolerance- even of the people you don't like
it's one thing to say that someone else is wrong or that you disagree or whatever, but quite another to suggest that they should not say it at all.
like all those idiot Muslims rioting in those Muslim states over that film
 
@DeadMG I said it was offensive.
 
9:57 PM
@JonathanSeng You mean, you find it offensive
 
@sehe Try pushing that one in a harassment lawsuit. It won't work.
 
@JonathanSeng You might want to grow a thicker skin. When confronted with an offensive question, should it really surprise anyone that people respond with offensive answers or comments?
@JonathanSeng And that's also totally irrelevant.
 
I'm not talking about lawsuits. For one thing, let's hope lawsuits won't define 'social' in the future
 
That was interesting.
 
Lawsuits matter when you're at work and someone decides to stop growing a thicker skin because of you and files harassment.
Sorry, had a phone call.
 
10:03 PM
we're not at work, and you can't file suit against any of us
I'm not even in the jurisdiction of any of your courts
 
@DeadMG Sweeping generalization detected.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, it's certainly true that there's a non-trivial minority who act that way, so the point is the same- you have to learn to deal with them.
 
I can imagine being new to this room. It surely does take a bit getting used to.
 
Three cable techs showed up to work on the house next to me. Its probaly 105 out there and I see two standing around staring at the very simple wiring box.
 
@Chimera Not necessarily. If you barge into any casual online community, you have to put up with "offensive" words.
@Chimera Any reason why you want access to bin?
 
10:10 PM
@Chimera why are you trying to get into the bin?
 
@sehe He wants to eat the leftovers.
 
Yuck
 
@sehe For no reason other than to have it.
I don't really need it.....
 
@JonathanSeng "Its probaly 105 out there" - what does that mean?
 
@sehe Air temp probably
 
10:11 PM
That's hot, isn't it. In fact, about 313.706 Kelvins
 
@sehe 105 degrees Fahrenheit, but they are lucky, its only 98 degrees Fahrenheit / 37 degrees Celcius.
 
@Mysticial That's true, but this room also has it's own culture aside from language.
 
@sehe Yes, 105 is hot. Both in Fahrenheit and Celsius.
 
@Mysticial Now that's funny.
 
@Chimera We definitely have the thickest skin among all the SO chatrooms.
 
10:13 PM
@sehe I'm hungry.
@Mysticial If you stay around long enough, yep.
 
@Chimera You stole @ScottW's line
 
@sehe Oh did I?
 
@Chimera Definitely: chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
@sehe Oh dear, I have!
 
@Chimera Most who fail either voluntarily leave, or they go out with a bang.
 
sbi
10:15 PM
What do you want access to the bin for, @Chimera? Have you been assigned the task to take it out?
 
@sbi Nah..... I don't need it. I saw a shiny button, so I pushed it.
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sbi
Pardon me using this Latin-derived language, but political correctness is absolute cognitively-challenged bovine excrements.
 
@Mysticial He got fairly unlucky for getting told to 'fuck off' when it wasn't actually intended at him. I don't remember quite how many times the pirate apologized for doing that, but hey, the damage had been done
 
Xeo
Gaaah, why....
Who starred the video link? It's broken. :(
 
@Xeo I did. I assumed you posted it while it was still being uploaded.
 
Xeo
10:22 PM
Nope, it's from 2010
I wanted to ask if anybody got a link to the video on some other site xD
 
Every single other time you seem to be required to post the thing twice in order for it to get on the starboard. I thought I'd be proactive for a change...
 
Xeo
lol
 
Falling star, make a wish
 
Xeo
I wish the video worked!
 
Wow. The cable techs are on the phone next door for help.
My office overlooks that spot (and the gorgeous mountain range above the roof top of the next house).
This is almost worth a web cam and commentator.
 
10:28 PM
I'm not sure I agree
 
Yeah.... prolly not.
I think the three techs succeeded.
 
I'm off
 
sbi
@JonathanSeng Of course, insults aren't accepted. The fact that they aren't accepted is what defines them as insults, after all. However, there's no general consensus about what is accepted and what isn't, so that statement is empty.
 
@sbi Then then word insult should not exist and everyone should accept what happens to them.
 
incredible: I've been away for hours and you (sehe, Xeo et al) are still here --- don't you have a life?
 
10:35 PM
@JonathanSeng that's not what he said. He said that the definition of "insult" varies by the community.
@Walter I'm at work
 
@MooingDuck He said "There's no general consensus..." As such, there is no definition for insult.
 
@MooingDuck okay, didn't mention you explicitly. wasn't aware that this counts as work ;-)
 
@JonathanSeng There's no general consensus on what is an insult and what isn't. He is correct.
@JonathanSeng many people consider the bottom of a shoe to be an insult for instance. I don't.
 
sbi
@JonathanSeng I said there is a definition for insult: An insult is what isn't accepted.
 
@MooingDuck If there is no consensus, and consensus defines definition, then there is no definition. If there is no definition of insult, then there is no such thing and people should accept what they are given.
 
10:38 PM
@sehe I find that calling it meaningless is better than giving out the definition that doesn't quite match.
 
@JonathanSeng there is consensus in smaller groups. There isn't a universal consensus.
 
Most people agree that Resource Acquisition is Initialization is not an accurate description.
 
sbi
@JonathanSeng Of course, there's a definition. There's just none that defines an universally applicable scale.
 
"There are many" is not the same as "there's none". That's elementary... English? Logic?
 
@sbi You're still saying that when those who decide they want to do what they want to do get together and say something, its not an insult because the majority want to do it.
 
10:40 PM
what the heck are you all about?
 
@Walter I'm not certain. I think we're defining what an "insult" is.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, in a discussion about finding a better term than RAII on comp.lang.c++.moderated in the 90s Bjarne Stroustrup said he considers it an unfortunate name, but that it was (even by then) too established to be changed, and that's that.
 
that's easy: just try it!
 
sbi
@JonathanSeng No, I said no such thing. (And this is rapidly becoming tiring.)
 
@Walter actually, now that I look at the chat log, I think Jonathan made a statement, sbi said it was meaningless because it was clearly obviously universally true, and Jonathan is trying to prove that his statement was true, not realizing that sbi agreed. I think.
 
10:42 PM
@MooingDuck sounds like some template logic
 
@sbi Exactly. I mention the acronym RAII because it's established, but I dismiss the long form as meaningless, because it's not worth it.
 
@Walter Sounds like decltype(true), really
 
Xeo
@Walter wtf? Excuse me for leaving my PC on :s
 
@sbi The majority win. Done.
 
@JonathanSeng I long mistrust majorities
 
10:44 PM
@Walter No I don't
 
@JonathanSeng thats not even remotely what sbi said
 
@sehe depends on the context
 
Context can be discovered by following the reply links. Hover the mouse
(Did someone mention newbie-hints yet?)
 
@JonathanSeng "Of course, insults aren't accepted. The fact that they aren't accepted is what defines them as insults, after all." If you don't accept it, it's an insult. If you accept it, it's not an insult.
 
@MooingDuck The discussion was declared tiring, so I tried to agree to end it. Consider it ended.
 
10:46 PM
Hear hear
 
@JonathanSeng you can't declare it ended by declaring victory, that's just not... uh.. a word goes here...
 
@sehe when it comes to facts and scientific truth (my field), majorities don't work, but in questions as to what constitutes an insult you can easily argue for(;;) {}
 
right? logical? hmm
 
@MooingDuck I'm not declaring victory. I'm declaring the collective "you" spoke and I have been trying to let this be dead.
 
@Walter I don't think so. If some random person feels insulted whenever you say the word "purple", then to that single person, it's an insult, no matter what others beleive.
 
10:47 PM
@Walter Or you can just reflect on the usefulness of debating truth in subjective notions
 
agreed both
 
Is er weer boel?
 
@StackedCrooked Always. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Just discussing room ethics/habits.
 
@StackedCrooked solved your debugging problem?
 
I'm going to sleep now. Cheers everyone
 
10:49 PM
Not yet.
@sehe Alright, cheers!
 
@StackedCrooked looked horrible.
 
@sehe Like why the destructor is so awesome and Java is forever blighted by its absence?
 
ah curses I have a 2GB vector. What'd I screw up this time...
 
@MooingDuck no problem, just need enough RAM ... or go for a break
 
So I guess I won't be changing my name to John Smith.
 
10:50 PM
@Chimera Did you just finish reading that meta question?
I'm enjoying myself with the chat transcript from June 1st.
 
@Mysticial Yeah, I was interrupted by work though....
 
@MooingDuck At the moment I have an heisenbug that manifests itself as trying to allocate multiple gigabyte buffers.
 
@Mysticial What was happening then? Was it me when I was new here?
 
@Walter What?
 
@Chimera I was on vacation on June 1. So I missed all of it.
 
10:51 PM
@Walter The amount of RAM is irrelevant.
 
I'm reading it for the first time...
 
How do you find that part of the transcript?
 
It's kinda awesome actually to see that guy just barge in here...
and make a complete mess of everything
 
If I attempt to write to an ofstream that did not open, can I assume that any attempt to write to it will fail silently without the possibility of any errors that interfere with program execution? The ofstream is intended for logging purposes.
 
10:52 PM
@Mysticial Would you be so kind as to link it?
 
@Chimera The first link in the meta question goes to the start of it.
 
@Mysticial oh oh... ok
 
@DragonLord in theory yes, in practice it depends on the operator<< overloads you have. But probably safe. Very few writes bother to check for errors.
 
sbi
@JonathanSeng No, that's wrong. I did not say this wasn't insulting to you. As @Moo said, feeling insulted is a subjective feeling.
When you are peculiar about being touched, but end up among a herd of back-slapping lumberjacks, neither they are wrong when slapping your back nor you are wrong in being insulted about them touching you. You are just incompatible. Or imagine you were raised by nuns, and happen to be among people who go swimming naked without even thinking about it. You're fully entitled to feel insulted, but there is no point in telling them — because they are just as entitled to swim naked.
In both cases (and also in the case of you coming into a room where people suggest you read the fine manual, if you ask a question that can be read in the fine manual) you either adapt to the local habits or you leave and look for more compatible company.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm. if I have a 2GB vector and try to write into it whilst only having, say, 500MB RAM, I better take a break or try to kill the thing.
 
10:55 PM
Cod type fish. 0.5L water 1 dl sugar 1 dl salt, rest for one hour. Fry With bacon
 
Because this is meant for logging, I want to simply print a warning to stderr that logging will not be available in the event ofstream::open() fails without terminating the program or checking for stream failure again. @MooingDuck
 
@sbi I thought this was dead because someone found it tiring.
 
waaaiiiit, I'm casting a _tstring* to a std::vector<UCHAR>*? That doesn't seem right.
 
sbi
@Chimera You click on the "info" link on the right, then on "transcript", and take it from there.
 
@MooingDuck Whats UCHAR?
 
10:56 PM
@CaptainGiraffe microsoft -> unsigned char
 
@sbi oh great, thanks. :-)
 
lol, I just found this in the transcript:

> I just figured that since it was a C++ chat people would be interested/able to help with algorithms
> since algorithms and C++ tend to go hand in hand
 
@Mysticial yeah, I saw that.
 
sbi
@JonathanSeng Sigh. Again you are putting statements into my mouth I did not make. I said "this is becoming tiring". I did not say it's already been so tiring that I will stop discussing it.
 
@sbi Man, that first scenario sounds like a nightmare.
 
10:58 PM
@sbi Sorry for trying to be respectful that it was becoming tiring. However, if you guys would like to continue to tell me how wrong I am, then go right ahead.
 
@Mysticial C++ and algorithms are like the Dalai Lama and profound statements.
 
I get really annoyed when I brush shoulders with people on the street.
 
sbi
@Mysticial When you read that, you need to be aware that A) several of his statements got wiped out due to being flagged, and B) he came back later and kept hammering at the same issue, not having changed his POV for an inch.
 

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