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3:00 PM
okay, now I have three monitors, two of which are 24"
intimidating
 
sbi
@DeadMG Remind me again, how many projects of yours got past that 25% mark?
@StackedCrooked In declarative languages, the book writes you.
 
Xeo
@sbi *past
 
@sbi 25% of 25% of 25% of ...
 
@sbi Well, that depends on what you would call success.
 
@Xeo It's a mark that gets passed along each project.
 
3:02 PM
I created them to explore concepts and further my understanding, not to ship them, and they served that intended purpose.
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, I keep messing up those two.
@DeadMG I'd call success a downloadable, usable piece of software. Strange criterion, I know.
@DeadMG I suppose it's the same with your book?
 
@sbi Nah, that I need to ship.
 
@Xeo TeX for a 1-2 page document? Come on.
 
sbi
@DeadMG This would be a first then, if I counted that right?
 
If you applied the 80/20 rule to your projects then you'd have finished them all.
 
3:04 PM
By the way, mine looks somewhat like this, but without all the black bars, of course :)
 
@sbi Indeed. But it's also the first I've aimed for, so.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow My CV is a two parter of normal CV content and a skill profile
 
@sbi You're awfully critical today.
 
@Xeo What is a "skill profile"? Buzzword bingo?
 
sbi
@DeadMG And here I thought you aimed for your language to take over the world.
 
3:06 PM
@StackedCrooked Well, it's not like I'm not going to face similar questions if I get further interviews.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Dunno, I call it "Skillprofil" in German and I basically just list what I know there and how good I know it. :)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah. I intent to be helpful. Sometimes that hurts. So?
 
oh look who's here
 
@Xeo Microsoft Office: very good, epsecialyl spell cheek
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hi @Als
 
3:07 PM
@sbi I do. Just not right now.
 
sbi
@DeadMG So then we have two projects?
 
@sbi He's gonna take over 25%.
 
@Xeo Oh, I always forget who's German in this room :)
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Did I misspell something?
 
He is the 25%
 
Als
3:08 PM
@TonyTheLion: Hey, hello! how are you doing?
 
@sbi Four, if you're counting.
 
@Xeo No, I just find it funny how many mistakes there are in CVs in general when people say that know Office very well.
 
@Als I'm alright. Yourself?
 
Als
@TonyTheLion doing well too thanks :)
 
sbi
@DeadMG Hold on. Didn't you just say you intended none to get finished? Now it's four? I am confused.
 
3:09 PM
@Als Been ages since you were last here.
 
@sbi Oh, I thought you meant total.
 
@DeadMG Have you applied yet for the other company I told you about?
 
but I don't intend to finish Wide for a while yet.
 
Als
@TonyTheLion Yes, it has been long indeed :) Hows life?
 
@FredOverflow I used to think I didn't know Office very well, but I've repeatedly found people that claimed so that didn't know half of what I know. :S
 
3:09 PM
whereas I do intend to finish writing a book relatively soon (a few months)
 
I should be back to me
Yay!
 
@ManofOneWay Probably. I have many applications and recruiters right now.
 
@Als It's alright, it's alright.
 
@DeadMG Any luck with google?
 
Working.
 
3:10 PM
@DeadMG Writing a book is no small endeavor from what I've heard.
 
@Drise Still going through the process.
 
K.
 
@Drise chat search, scroll up
 
Als
@TonyTheLion Alright is good :)
 
@DeadMG I think I got about 5 emails today from recruiters.
 
3:11 PM
@StackedCrooked I found it easier than I expected. But it's yet to pass the Sister Review, so.
 
@DeadMG so you can't really afford taking a job, then
 
@DeadMG Your sister has the brains to review your books?
 
Why in the world does a Form label get a tab index by default? Is there any scenario where a user might want to tab into a label?
 
I mean programming related books.
 
she works in the publishing industry
 
3:12 PM
Ah, that helps.
 
Will there be a puppy on the cover?
 
she said to me "Many people intend to create a manuscript but most never get anywhere. Start by churning out 1,000 words."
and I was like "Sis, I've already written 8,000 in about three days"
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked For a certain form of reviewing (grammar, spelling etc.), it can even be helpful to not to understand the subject.
 
@FredOverflow It will be the Puppy Book.
 
ultimately, most of this is stuff I've already answered a thousand times on Stack Overflow, so it's not like I'm writing it for the first time, even
 
sbi
3:14 PM
 
Puppy is secretly Scott Meyers :P
 
hah
don't think I'd have trouble finding a job if I was Scott Meyers :P
 
He turns into a puppy on full moon.
 
howling too
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion IIRC, that is Persephone. I could have messed that up, though.
 
You can sell 32 bit numbers? :)
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes "I'll accept a 10% finder's fee" LOL!
 
I accept 11%.
Oh wait, that's the wrong bid.
 
Bidding the other way around is a nice way of confusing your "opponent".
 
I'm gonna eat soup, watch Beavis and Butthead and listen to you guys talk now.
 
3:18 PM
text-to-speech?
 
I didn't want to write "watch" twice :)
 
A: I'll sell it to you for 500.
B: What if I give you 300?
A: Ok, 550.
B: 400?
A: Hmm, you drive a hard bargain, miss. I'll compromise for 600.
B: Wait, what?
A: Ok, 650.
B: Stop that! Let's strike a deal before you raise it again.
 
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Q: file read writing in c/c

Raju AhmmedI am writing code to read and write file. But when I run it, it got run-time error. Anyone can solve this code? When I run this code, I can see SIGSEGV error. Help me plz.... #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> int main(){ /*Variable for writing to file */ char *name[] = {...

 
C/C, lol
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3:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lolwot
 
All his arrays have 3 elements. Why is he iterating over 5? That's not even an off by one error.. it's off by 2.
 
It's off by pppffffbt.
 
@Rapptz So he's more accomplished than most
 
@DeadMG I want to try that for real someday. I don't expect to strike a deal like that, but I suppose the look on their faces will be priceless.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Priceless? I'll give you $40
 
3:24 PM
It can be done the other way around too: start with a low offer, and every time the seller lowers to meet your price, you lower even more.
 
@sehe If everyone makes off by one errors then I'll make off by two errors!
 
@Rapptz I'm voting to close as "two localized".
 
woo tomorrow I don't have to get up early
that's the highlight of my life
 
@TonyTheLion TGIF?
 
Yes :)
 
3:28 PM
Woot, someone commented on my blog.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yea, I meant to tell you I read that article you wrote on ownership semantics. Very good article :)
 
@StackedCrooked The awkward moment you end up with bug-free code, because you were aiming for off-by-one errors, like programmers should; but somehow you got off-by-one. <embarrassing/>
 
easy to read and understand
 
sbi
 
meh
I tried that, I suck. Procrastination got in the way
 
3:31 PM
@TonyTheLion Thank you. @sehe... helped :)
 
Meanwhile in fairy land :)
 
Y U still a puppy?
 
@TonyTheLion Refresh yo browser
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops. I kinda got carried away with the keyboard, I recall
 
@kbok is that a face?
 
3:35 PM
ah
stupid browser cache
 
@kush uh what
 
Sorry if it's the wrong place to ask but I downvoted an answer and lost one rep. Whats up with that?
 
@kbok your profile picture
@Borgleader that's what is supposed to happen I think
 
@Borgleader Downvotes on answers cost 1.
 
Oh really? I didn't know
 
3:36 PM
@kush It's a boo !
 
now you do :)
 
@kbok thanks guy
 
Use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo_(character%29 to work around Letdown.
 
Boos, known in Japan as , are fictional ghosts from the Mario and Yoshi series of video games. They first appeared as a common enemy in 1988's Super Mario Bros. 3, in which they were called Boo Diddleys - a reference to the American rhythm and blues singer Bo Diddley, keeping in with the game's theme of having enemies' names being puns on the names of musicians. Since then, they have been a mainstay in the series, usually appearing as enemies, but occasionally appearing as playable characters in the Mario spin-off games, or even as allies of Mario, such as Lady Bow from Paper Mario and i...
 
3:40 PM
Interesting
 
Black Mesa released, all official mirrors down.
Good job, guys.
 
fail.
 
LOL
 
They've put the website on CDN, but it apparently didn't manage to cache it in time, so now it's just big error.
 
> Boos, known in Japan as Teresa
@kush ^
Teresa? Now that's weird.
 
Xeo
3:49 PM
I love websites that restrict my password to only contain "alphanumeric characters, hyphens and periods"
Oh and please "between 6 and 50 characters"
 
should just be > 6 chars and no end boundary
 
one of my roommates picks passwords that are verses of the bible. Some of them are very long indeed.
@TonyTheLion I tend to put in max lengths for user input, just for sanity.
 
> of of my roommates
how many do you have?
@MooingDuck passwords and sanity don't work
 
@TonyTheLion I sorta consider everyone I've lived with in the past 7 years to be my roommates.
 
the saner the password, the easier to break
 
3:50 PM
@TonyTheLion I don't want someone submitting a 2GB password either
 
mumbo jumbo is a good password
@MooingDuck that would be a strong password :P
 
@MooingDuck Well then stop.
 
@CatPlusPlus under what rationale?
 
I like to generate 20 bit passwords
 
IF I WANT A 2GB PASSWORD I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT
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3:52 PM
and if they limit my input to something silly, I can't have my 20 bit entropy password
 
@CatPlusPlus 400 bytes for a password should be plenty.
 
Besides relying on client-side input length for protection against that is silly.
 
8 characters ought to be enough for anybody
 
wait for quantum computing
8 chars mean shit, in fact then all passwords will be meaningless
anyways, passwords suck anyways
because humans
us cats do things differently :P
 
There are actually very good reasons to only allow a maximum of 55 characters as a password ;) bcrypt (which is the algorithm which you ought to use for password hashing) will ignore everything after 55 chars
 
3:55 PM
Generate password by rolling over the keyboard
Bah. PBKDF2.
 
Meh, ABC will do.
 
ofdfsdjaif;ieoajfd;sak
I walked on my keyboard ^
 
@NikiC sounds unlikely, and also unlikely that we use use bcrypt from now on
 
Xeo
sigh. Anyone here ever worked with XSplit?
 
@MooingDuck What sounds unlikely? That people use bcrypt (yes, that's very unlikely; most people seem to use md5 :D)? Or that that's the reason for the limit?
 
3:56 PM
@ScottW: is your computer called Gibson?
 
@NikiC I think because bcrypt is somewhat expensive in resources for simply storing passwords on the backend of a website
an MD5 hash is computed fairly quickly
 
@MooingDuck At least make it 640K. FTR, I have passwords longer than 400 bytes.
 
also bcrypt can be reversed, AFAIK, and MD5 hash not
 
@TonyTheLion wut? Is that a troll? password hashing is supposed to be expensive, right?
 
@sehe afaik
 
sbi
3:58 PM
Anyone here got an iPhone and can tell me whether this is any good?
 
@NikiC Wait, are you sure you should be using an algorithm that ignores everything after 55 chars?
It sounds completely, utterly wrong.
@TonyTheLion Wut.
@TonyTheLion Being expensive is a feature.
 
@sbi I have an Iphone, but I don't have that app
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, and just so you know, PBKDF2 is weaker than bcrypt (runtime being equal) :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's the first time I've heard that, but I could see how that could be in this case.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion It is free right now. Nudge nudge.
 
3:59 PM
@NikiC Well, that's extremely easy to fix: just run a hash of the actual password through bcrypt
 
I sure hope DeadMG has a good interview today.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm not sure whether you are joking or not. I hope you are.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Better than original crypt that snipped passwords after 8. :v
 
@TonyTheLion Mandatory SE link coming up
 
@sbi I'll see if I can download it when I get home
 
4:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow, long passwords.
 
@NikiC I'm fairly sure he isn't into security. I hope
 
@sehe Yeah, that's one way to do it ^^ Or just limit to 55 characters :D
 
@Chimera You're late to the party.
 
@NikiC Limiting sucks.
 
sbi
@Chimera He had. It's all in the transcript.
 
4:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How did he do?
 
user784668
Is bcrypt really so utterly fucked up?
 
By prehashing you're limiting the alphabet.
And the length.
 
@Fanael That's an accurate description, if that assertion about the 55-char limit is true.
 
¿Hay alguien aquí que puede hablar Español?
 
4:02 PM
Damn
The Spanish exchange chat is barely existant
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One can argue that at 55 chars the limit is rather irrelevant ;)
 
It's rant time! I ran into this today and this is an example of git's avoidable usability issues. Yes, there's a "reason" it happened, but it's more of an excuse. Most systems would identify this as a bug but it's whisked away as "by design" merely because it can be explained. There are plenty of ways to solve this, and one that most assuredly wouldn't impact design is simply a better error message as WinWin stated. Besides, this is a simple use case. Isn't there something wrong when I stumble around trying to move a file into a directory? — Johnny Kauffman 24 secs ago
 
You just replied to yourself, lol.
 
4:04 PM
^ lol
@NikiC But you shouldn't
@CatPlusPlus no need to encrypt it then
 
Is the liveworkspace registration a tease or is my NoScript interfering?
 
Moving never creates a destination hierarchy what the hell
Where's he from
 
@sehe I don't think it's that simple. I think smarter people than me have thought about this and decided to do it the way it is ;) I mean, it wouldn't be that hard to include the prehashing round in the algorithm itself, if it were really necessary for its use.
 
@NikiC wikipedia makes no mention of any character limit, though that's obviously not conclusive
 
@sehe E.g. see this answer:
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A: Pre-hash password before applying bcrypt to avoid restricting password length

Steven AlexanderBcrypt uses a 128-bit salt AND a 55 character (max) password. You do not need to add any other salt values; bcrypt handles that. The designers of bcrypt felt that the 55 character limit on the password wasn't an issue since the hash has a 128-bit output. If your password is greater than 55 char...

 
user784668
4:16 PM
lol
 
user784668
 
user784668
> MD5 crypt places virtually no limit on the size of passwords, while bcrypt has a maximum of 55 bytes
 
user784668
In this case, bcrypt and its authors should die a painful death.
 
-1
Q: Simulating Game Apples - Can't get it to work

Bob FlandersonI'm trying to create a game with newtonian physics. Before you read the rest of this, this is my main question I'm trying to find an answer to: I keep getting an error that pops up in a window after I try and run my code. What library or dll am I missing? I've got an apple, an orange, and a ...

> I've got an apple, an orange, and a pencil. I've read most of the documentation with the bullet physics engine, but I just can't seem to get the apple to behave like a piece of paper (2d-ish).
lolwut?
> The main issue I see here is that you're using a Windows system. This OS works best for simulating things like windows and doors (non-organics). You need to switch to a Macintosh computer, these are exceptional with simulating apples. The latest version of the OS not only simulates apples, it has additional support for large cats, particularly mountain lions.
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I just read that.. lol..
 
4:20 PM
Jesus, 2.1 million. And I was worried we weren't going to get galactic war
 
@Drise Yeah, everything in. Pretty cool. The documentary is meh, but full orchestral score is awesome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea, I could care less about the docs, but the music is going to be AWESOME
 
4:36 PM
I remember when we had a spaceship game.
 
Awesome ^
 
Wow, this apple thread totally raped my mind
I can't decide if the guy is a troll or what
 
@CatPlusPlus You lazy fucks just gave up. And that fucker Dom is gone.
@TonyTheLion What's that?
 
It's his fault. :<
 
a tank]
@CatPlusPlus it was only in your mind
 
4:47 PM
Can I get some love?
 
-10
Q: Importing about millions of contacts into outlook

TejasI have a CSV file containing about a lot of email IDs(of the order of tens of millions). I want them in my Outlook. But when I try to import them, Outlook crashes every time. So is there any trick/shortcut by which I can get them in my Outlook?

^ lulz
 
1
Q: SIGSEV error when writing to and reading from a file

Raju AhmmedI am writing code to read and write file. But when I run it, it got run-time error. Anyone can solve this code? When I run this code, I can see SIGSEGV error. Help me plz.... #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> int main(){ /*Variable for writing to file */ char *name[] = {...

 
@Chimera no
 
@Chimera This Q sucks, don't make me look at it
 
My answer is pretty complete though.. :-)
No worries. :-)
 
4:49 PM
@Chimera Oh I'd probably give a +1 just for effort, but including a gdb session is really cool.
 
I even showed the person how to debug his code.... silly coders.
 
Yeah, +1 for effort.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I figured that is what separates my answer from the rest.
 
@Chimera Btw, you could have removed the "undefined command" bits ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I will do so...
 
4:50 PM
Additional credit for answering despite complete OP suckage.
> Anyone can solve this code?
 
+1 from me too
 
> Help me plz
 
fuck OP's like that
 
thanks everybody
 
Someone should really write a debugging tutorial so I can bookmark for link dropping.
Don't look at me.
 
4:51 PM
really, they should get raped up the ass, for asking stupid motherfucking questions
 
Or people could just use VS.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Looking at robot :P
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's a shame so many people haven't learned to debug code.
 
@TonyTheLion Dude, I can't follow you on this one.
 
@kbok That fact that system("pause") is in the code indicates the OP may be using VS.
 
4:52 PM
@Chimera some people just think that debuggers are too cool for them or something
@kbok I'm talking about people asking shitty questions
 
@TonyTheLion Woah.
 
I was trying to hit repcap today, but I keep finding my knowledge is too limited for me to answer good questions. Also, uncertainty :(
 
You're getting really grumpy.
 
I'm laughing quite hard :)
 
Really hard.
 
4:54 PM
@TonyTheLion I'm finding it hard to find questions I can answer, that haven't already been answered.
 
@Chimera there's that too.
I just get uncertain
 
@TonyTheLion Go for it. You'll solidify your knowledge base, and improving your expression skills.
 
or I will answer something, and some pedant will point a petty thing I've overlooked
and it irks me
 
@Chimera Not necessarily, he could be using MinGW with one of those terribly outdated IDEs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you saying my expression skillz suck?
 
4:56 PM
@kbok Sure I quess that's possible.
 
@TonyTheLion No, no, I'm saying they can be improved (as in, they always can).
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I know, I mean you sound like some sort of extremist.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
@kbok lol. I wasn't being overly serious
 
@TonyTheLion It's not a very good expression.
 
@CatPlusPlus Do better than
You're trying to make me grumpy, aren't you?
 

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