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5:00 PM
@TonyTheLion "Another tera bytes dust."
 
i remember a professor who was astounded how a compiler could be 8 MB. "just a compiler!"
of course it would have difficulty running in 64 KB
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Many years ago, I got Stephen Hawkings "The Universe in a nutshell" for my birthday, German edition of course. Apparently, the translator didn't know the phrase "in a nutshell" (compressed, lean, whatever) and directly translated it as "Das Universum in der Nusschale" (The Universe in the nutshell), which doesn't make any sense at all in German.
 
lol
@FredOverflow that's hilarious
 
@FredOverflow as in, the expression doesn't exist in German?
or that it was grammatically incorrect?
 
there is possibly a DEEP PROBLEM here. for example, the Algol 6x compiler team invented a lot of clever techniques, including pipes and coroutines etc. to make that compiler perform in small memory conditions. no longer is that pressure there!
 
haha!
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Meaning we got rid of the problem!
 
void ParmAdd(                                   // Append a parameter to the end
    FLEX_BASE const *Parm,
    FLEX_BASE const *OptParm = NULL,
    ...);
does that make sense at all with teh default parameter?
 
@TomW exactly
 
I'm afraid we might be celebrating Curiosity too much. If the other half dozen or so mars rovers hears about this: robot uprising from mars.
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5:03 PM
@MooingDuck lol I'd say yes.
 
you could probably have figured out what it meant, though?
 
@MooingDuck either you call it with one, or you call it with more than 2 params.
 
@TomW As a child, it didn't make any sense to me, because I didn't know the English expression "in a nutshell".
 
@rubenvb so could that be the cause of my linker errors?
 
Hmm, if that book gets any cheaper on Amazon UK, I'd have to pay for shipping.
 
5:04 PM
so because C# supports covariance/contravariance, does that mean it doesn't suffer the slicing problem you get when casting Derived to Base?
 
@MooingDuck no idea. That's a C style variadic function. How the hell should I know? :P
 
@FredOverflow out of idle curiosity, what idiom would you now choose that means the same thing and says it in an elegant way?
 
@TonyTheLion You don't suffer from slicing because of reference semantics.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, so nothing to do with covariance then?
 
assuming German supports elegance ;)
 
5:05 PM
@TomW Good question, let me think about it and come back to you. I'd probably chose "Das Universum kurz und bündig" from this list.
 
@TonyTheLion Nope.
 
hmmm but covariance does reference to the fact that you can convert from Wide to Narrow (Animals to Cats). Not sure what that means then?
I'm assuming it's talking about types, and probably derived types
 
Covariance matters when talking about arrays or generics
ie string[] -> object[]
This is an invalid cast in C#
Arrays are not covariant
However, IEnumerable<string> -> IEnumerable<object> works
 
@Cicada It's not invalid. :(
 
Interfaces are covariant
 
5:07 PM
a string array is not covariant
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
 
Should be, but isn't.
 
@TonyTheLion It's not always about conversion (you can never safely convert from an Animal to a Cat), but for example also about allowing specialized return types when overriding. That is, Animal* whatever() can be overriden in a subclass with Cat whatever().
 
@Cicada Arrays are magic.
 
@rubenvb talked to a coworker, he said it's because I had previously compiled as 64 bit, and the objs for 32 and 64 go in the same directory, so it fails to link right
 
5:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes notthisreplyagain.jpg
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes D made it illegal a couple of versions ago.
 
Seems you're right
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A: Why are C# arrays covariant and what benefits does it bring?

mquanderEric Lippert says: Unfortunately, this particular kind of covariance is broken. It was added to the CLR because Java requires it and the CLR designers wanted to be able to support Java-like languages. We then up and added it to C# because it was in the CLR. This decision was quite controversi...

THANK YOU JAVA
 
But...
int[] -> object[]? Invalid.
 
lol
 
5:10 PM
@Cicada James Gosling didn't force the C# design team to steal stupid things from Java, did he?
 
but he enabled them :p
 
@FredOverflow Not steal. Forced to add for "compatibility".
 
C# was never compatible with Java.
 
It could have stayed in the CLR and not go up to the language.
 
The CLR, not C#
 
5:11 PM
I really really hate when people use
 
Just like they did with MI.
 
So obnoxious.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The CLR has MI?
 
@FredOverflow It's a carefully guarded secret, but yes.
 
I don't understand why C# supports this actually. CLR for compat okay, but C#? No sense.
 
5:12 PM
TIL C++ supports covariant return types for overriding virtual functions
 
Hrmph. Presumably it's in the CLR because Visual J# wanted it? Nobody told the C# team they had to implement it though!
 
CLR yes C# why the fuck
 
@Cicada Supports what, covariant arrays? Because they were probably quite useful before Generics came about.
 
@FredOverflow So, we're back to "it's Java's fault!"
If Java had generics, C# wouldn't have stolen the broken workarounds.
:P
 
@FredOverflow Array covariance sucks you understand that you filthy german you
 
5:13 PM
No. Just because Java didn't have Generics back then, C# could very well have introduced them in V1.
 
PHP room going retard again.
 
@Cicada I apologize
 
@FredOverflow Lippert says they added support because Java
 
PHP ROOM IS ALWAYS RETARD, IT HAS NEVER RECOVERED FROM THAT STATE!
 
@Cicada Just because something sucks doesn't mean it cannot fit some use cases, for example printing every element of an array or something.
 
5:14 PM
ITS REACHING A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF RETARDEDNESS
@FredOverflow Kinky.
 
an example for their retardness?
 
@Cicada Why are you CAPSing, are you drunk?
 
@FredOverflow Replying to Tony
 
no, because me
 
5:14 PM
@TonyTheLion they're trying to get Jordan evicted for asking jquery questions in the PHP room.
 
Good luck with that.
 
You know, the guy we evicted for asking C questions all the time in here because he got banned from writing SO questions?
 
we evict people all the time, and we don't even need a reason :P
 
I still say room owners should just have /ban on their disposal.
 
5:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus srsly
 
And it should be announced in public.
 
@MooingDuck I always forget, do we have a C room?
 
@FredOverflow yes
 
your opinion or the fact that someone got banned?
 

LOUNGE(C);

A room to hang out and chat. The primary focus is on the C lan...
 
5:16 PM
before allowing a room owner to ban, it should be that at least half of the remaining owners has agreed with the ban
 
clicks without keming gives...
 
because otherwise, you'll get random banning, because someone doesn't like someone
 
@TonyTheLion if they're the room owners, that's their prerogative.
 
@Papergay Public bans are wonderful.
 
@MooingDuck _Generic((Lounge), C: LOUNGE)
 
5:17 PM
@TonyTheLion also, what when only one is online?
 
@TonyTheLion Also, what about single-owner rooms?
 
@TonyTheLion Don't make idiots room owners.
Problem solved.
 
also, the danger of banning by room owners could lead to random witch hunts
 
Maybe popular rooms don't run with single owners anymore, though.
They used to.
 
How about a nice game of Dota 2. Yes? Yes.
 
5:18 PM
@CatPlusPlus meta mentioned once they didn't want to make room owners too powerful, because the algorithm that elects them is more or less random
 
But I could live with bans needed to be approved by two owners.
 
@CatPlusPlus how do you qualify someone as "idiot" or not?
 
@Cicada yes
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: pwned by the room pwners [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
hard to do online, I'd say
 
5:18 PM
oooo nice close votes here:
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Q: How to do color shaped Polygon on square image in asp.net?

mananHow to do color shaped Polygon on square image asp.net?

 
@TonyTheLion DeadMG says so
 
@TonyTheLion Well okay, another way: if they abuse the position, demod them.
@MooingDuck Meta says a lot of things.
 
An important concept in C++ is pwnership.
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@CatPlusPlus better way of doing it, but then "abuse" would have to be really clearly defined, so it can't be open to interpretation
 
Radek's gravatar is the Java logo!
 
5:19 PM
The truth is that they don't really care about chat.
 
we care
because we lead our sad lives in this place
 
Well, we do, but they don't.
 
@MooingDuck I call his Java gravatar a "Javatar".
 
@MooingDuck oh yea, and he's surely expert at doing so :P
 
5:20 PM
They're irrationally afraid of any social feature on SO.
 
@MooingDuck oh really?
 
@FredOverflow i call it a picture of the evil
 
Promoting Java is a serious offence in this room :P
 
@Cicada more like a picture of the boring and retarded
 
@TonyTheLion I don’t promote it.
See my bio.
 
5:22 PM
We should flag him out.
 
My only regret is that I had Javaitis.
 
Javaids?
 
oh it's a disease now?
 
Omg java logo
 
It always was.
 
5:22 PM
It's a funny name for a horrible disease.
 
My ignore list just got a little bigger
 
Java is fucking awesome.
Compared to PHP.
 
@Cicada you plonked the vacuum cleaner?
 
From a distance, it looks like a white U+1F4A9 on orange background.
 
5:23 PM
@RadekSlupik Poop is more awesome then Java
 
@TonyTheLion I know.
 
Pro tip: poop is not awesome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have been doing too much Unicode :P
 
@TonyTheLion which user is that
 
@TonyTheLion It's PILE OF POO.
 
5:23 PM
PILE OF POO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Poop is awesome, for the Dung Beatle :P
 
Java has its own Unicode character? No fair.
 
You're all talking bullU+1F4A9
 
@TonyTheLion 💩
 
@TonyTheLion One of the Beatles was a sicko?
 
5:24 PM
@Cicada bullPILE OF POO?
 
@TonyTheLion I use U+1F4A9 all over in my tests.
 
@FredOverflow "unicode character". it's a 16 bit codepoint.
 
Dung beetles are beetles that feed partly or exclusively on feces. All of these species belong to the superfamily Scarabaeoidea; most of them to the subfamilies Scarabaeinae and Aphodiinae of the family Scarabaeidae. This beetle can also be referred to as the scarab beetle. As most species of Scarabaeinae feed exclusively on feces, that subfamily is often dubbed true dung beetles. There are dung-feeding beetles which belong to other families, such as the Geotrupidae (the earth-boring dung beetle). The Scarabaeinae alone comprises more than 5,000 species. Many dung beetles, known as rol...
 
5:25 PM
I suck at spelling
 
Poo is so nasty.
 
How do you combine unicode characters with accents ? like ^
 
Dong battle
 
It's my default astral plane test subject.
 
5:25 PM
@Cicada â
 
@cicada what os are you using?
 
@Cicada Put the combining marks after the bases.
 
éüøîå
 
Can anyone get me an umlaut pile of poo or something?
 
5:25 PM
What robot said.
 
¨💩
 
I want a circonflex pile of poo.
 
ˆ
💩
:P
 
No. -1
 
Sanity suggests that only letters are combinable.
Poo is a symbol.
 
5:26 PM
NOOOOOO
YOU TAKE THAT BACK NOW
 
Sanity suggests accents don’t exists. But they do. Stupid accents. :<
 
💩̂ Where's my prize?
 
@CatPlusPlus Sanity has no place in regards to encoding ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that poo with flies or something?
 
mornin'
 
5:27 PM
Oh noes, not that thing again.
 
evenin'
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You'd get a cookie but you're a robot so you don't need it.
 
Stop posting screenshots of the stupid Apple PILE OF POO.
 
Apple PIE OF POO
 
Aug 30 '11 at 17:19, by Tony The Tiger
well we're in the C++ lounge after all, sanity was never a requirement, just pendantism
 
5:29 PM
> pendantism
 
lol
almost a year ago I said that, I remember it like it was yesterday
 
pendantism is not a word in Oxford Dictionary.
 
where the fuck did time go?
 
Yo momma
 
Yes, your cell phone has more computing power than the Curiosity Rover. On the other hand, your plan doesn't cover PHONE CALLS FROM MARS.
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5:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus weird, I can't get this to combine: ✉¨
 
@TonyTheLion Home. He got bored with work.
@RadekSlupik This is not the word you're looking for.
"pedantry" is.
 
I know.
 
Pedantism is like kopimism.
 
5:32 PM
keming
 
Keming may be: *Keming Primary School, Bukit Batok New Town, Singapore *A satirical misspelling of kerning, referring to bad kerning which causes the letter pair "rn" to appear as "m" As a given name: *Bai Keming, People's Republic of China politician *Wu Keming, People's Liberation Army Airforce test pilot *Zheng Keming (鄭克明), Qing Dynasty scholar *Courtesy name of Du Ruhui, Tang Dynasty chancellor
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes curiosity also has what I considered to be a silly small amount of RAM, until I realized it's all custom designed to withstand massive amounts of solar radiation.
 
@MooingDuck 640kB ought to be enough for everyone anyway
 
@Cicada "radiation-hardened memory to tolerate the extreme radiation from space and to safeguard against power-off cycles. Each computer's memory includes 256 KB of EEPROM, 256 MB of DRAM, and 2 GB of flash memory."
 
That's just standard RAM envelopped in a sheet of aluminium.
With "caution" stickers pasted all over.
 
5:36 PM
 
@melak47 epic
 
Ell
hi guys
 
Aloha.
 
Ell
how is everyone/anyone?
 
5:49 PM
Sick.
 
Ell
oh dear :/
eat something bad?
 
Retarded.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes math & skin? huh?
 
Ell
@melak47 clear math is beautiful, as is clear skin (i think)
 
5:53 PM
I prefer my skin at least partly opaque :S
 
Ell
haha
 
how useful is the google styleguide in your opinion?
 
Ell
never used it really
 
The Google Style Guide is meant for Google.
That's how useful it is.
 
Letting Google tell you how to dress...what has the world come to.
 
5:58 PM
Well, well, I had a blue screen while I was on my lunch break.
 
does any of you use a named style?
 

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