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12:00 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Are you mad ? Ever played sonic ? :)
 
What? No Sonic character is worse than Duck Hunt Dog.
 
erm... I like that
 
Why on earth was the division by 2 question so popular
 
> 20 years of sweet revenge bitch!
 
12:04 AM
@ScottW ?
 
Oki doke kids, off to sleep I am.
Farewell.
 
@ScarletAmaranth lol
@ScarletAmaranth earch >> 1
 
So am I. Gonna try some real bed semantics right now.
 
@SethCarnegie because the top answer is wrong
 
Kinky.
nite
 
12:05 AM
oh also and hello
 
@stdOrgnlDave howso
 
@SethCarnegie the C++ standard explicitly states that bit shifts on signed integers are implementation defined
 
@SethCarnegie I'm not sure if it says UB or ID, but either way...
 
@Cicada That sounds like a lame pick up line.
 
12:07 AM
In C++03, both are implementation defined for negative numbers, and might give the same results. In C++11, division is well defined for negative numbers, but shifting is still implementation defined. — James Kanze yesterday
What was he talking about?
division and shifting being ID?
 
It seems weird that dividing a negative number is implementation defined
 
What's the sign of the quotient?
Red is quotient, green is remainder.
 
@SethCarnegie yes
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Isn't it known in math?
 
12:10 AM
@SethCarnegie This is probably to allow for implementations to use the CPU native behaviour (? guessing) so as not to impose performance cost
 
@SethCarnegie not with integers, math doesn't do integers
 
Oh I see, you can't decide whether you should round up or down
 
Ever heard of discrete mathematics?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes shhhh
 
12:11 AM
@stdOrgnlDave hello
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I took it but it's only loosely related to what he's thinking of
 
@sehe hello!
I'm sort of in and out right now
 
Xeo
Okay, something definitely broke when that rasapi32.dll got fucked up
 
even when >> 1 is defined for -int as /2, it doesn't always give the same answer as /2 because it doesn't use the same "rounding"
 
sort of in and out: and in out?
 
Xeo
12:12 AM
I suddenly lost my connection just now and the color of my windows and taskbar changed back to default...
 
@Xeo rasapi? Remote Access Services? Isn't that the part that does PPTP/VPN tunneling? And bridging/routing? In Win2k and before? Or something
 
Xeo
And my downspeed is only at 5mbps instead of 12...
@sehe It got something to do with network, I don't know more
except that it broke at some point while I was asleep
 
Damn computers can't be left alone. Must be watched at all times lest they break themselves just to spite you.
 
The heck... I refuse to debate with or listen to my parents any more. My mom is arguing that MMR causes autism because she knows a person who's brain damage was caused by an OD of an epilepsy medication and the doctors didn't report it.
 
Can you even get autism at your age?
 
12:14 AM
@Xeo Hmm. I'd suspect a faulty ethernet cable negotiation (check for cable breakage?) - except when you mentioned the appearance change(s). Then I'd start worrying about malware/rootkit
 
@RMartinhoFernandes no
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I bet you can develop it at any age. But in mild variations only
 
Xeo
And now it's continiously breaking every 5mins
The moment when there's a slight strain on the network
 
You still haven't reinstalled that?
 
@sehe "The diagnostic criteria require that symptoms become apparent before a child is three years old."
 
Xeo
12:16 AM
Oh, my window and taskbar just switched back to the color I set them as
@sehe WLAN
 
continuously <-> breaking <-> every [time_interval]
Peculiar juxtapositions
 
Xeo
whatever
I just wanted to make clear that it's fucked up
 
@MooingDuck Ah. Perhaps you should be vaccinated against 3rd birthdays instead?!
 
You'll die once you run out of birthdays.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I have some spare in the medicin cabinet
 
12:18 AM
I have some spare in the fridge.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, it got kinda fixed thanks to @Cat's tip, atleast that's what I thought until just now
 
They're shaped like bottles.
 
@Xeo Seriously. Taskbars donot alter themes spontaneously. The only context in which I know that happens is remote desktop connections (rdp/vnc). They do that by disabling aero/wallpaper/reducing colordepth to reduce bandwidth.
I'd be seriously concerned by now
 
Xeo
Well, maybe I really should be
 
I'd be running a fresh install by now :P
 
Xeo
12:20 AM
But as soon as the theme changes, the network gets fucked up and doesn't send anything anymore anyways :P
@RMartinhoFernandes Meh, wanted to finish watching UHC atleast
@sehe Oh, but my wallpaper is still there!
The non-aero/color changes apply, though
 
Reads question title: "It is possible to use a pointer that just match the int value from a float variable in Python?". Thinks "I totally don't want to see this question because it certainly will be horrid, but I totally want to see it because I can't really imagine what the heck the title means."
 
@Xeo I was gonna joke maybe you should try that guy's Wifi monitor [removed link: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=3800832#3800832] but perhaps, that's exactly what you did?
13 hours ago, by sehe
@cadhityaa Blimey. I just realized, that was not a source code repo link, but a bloody .exe
Flagged it as spam. Sorry, there are a few things 'not done' on the interwebs
 
Xeo
lol, nope
13h ago I was sound asleep
Which would also be around the time this whole thing broke, I think.
 
You don't slurp links to binaries in here, I suppose :)
 
Xeo
12:24 AM
If you mean that I have a script running that grabs and executes those, no. :P
But meh, reinstalling Windows and all the shiznit I have on it is such a drag...
Oh, yeah, btw @sehe, I replaced the broken rasapi32.dll with a fresh one from the installer
So I guess it's only half-broken by now
 
I bet if you have a script that 'grabs' them, Windows will be more than happy to unpromptedly load the PE images, if only to do the malware/OS compatibility checks after unpacking the self-extracting executable image :)
@Xeo How did it get broken?
 
Xeo
Another weird thing: Whenever the network goes down for me, only the taskbar updates to reflect the current status. The network center and the wlan network list still show me as "connected"
 
Xeo
@sehe If only I knew. I left my PC running while I was asleep. When I woke up, it was off, and then kaboom. :(
And it was shut off unnaturally, since foobar asked if it should be started in protected mode or something, which it does if you have a power outage or bluescreen, etc
 
@Xeo Screams rootkit. Then again, windows has inconsistent UI without the help of rootkits.
@stdOrgnlDave ^ second opinion?
 
12:28 AM
foobar's awesome, btw.
 
Xeo
it indeed is
It's xcopy-deployable, that alone makes it pretty awesome. :)
Even the hotkeys work on foreign PCs
 
@Xeo Alternatively, my other theory just got a bit more credibility since you mentioned that the machine had turned off: there might be an instability in the PSU (overloaded, something periodically overheating -> throttling)
 
Maybe it turned off because the broken dll lead to BSOD?
Did you check Event Viewer?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes foobar2000?
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes uuuh, nope
 
12:30 AM
@sehe Yes.
 
eventvwr.exe
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Whenever I logged on / off, it would show me the error with logonUI.exe and rasapi32.dll, which I could click "ok" on and everything continued working
 
@sehe Its sole defect is that it doesn't Linux.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes With the erratic wifi link, I'd rate hardware failure higher than 'disabled system components'
Did you just verb Linux?
 
Xeo
@sehe Did you just Linux Linux?
 
12:32 AM
GTFO: logonUI.exe and rasapi32.dll?
Get your system scanned and reinstalled.
 
Xeo
@sehe logonUI.exe was complaining because rasapi32.dll was corrupted / not OK.
 
I just got my jimmies Linuxed
@Xeo Uhuh. I hear you.
 
Xeo
"logonUI.exe - Ungültiges Bild" (invalid image)
 
Run. Don't walk.
 
Xeo
And like I said, I replaced the rasapi32.dll
lol
 
12:34 AM
A compromised system cannot be trusted. Boot off live media, in R/O mode for forensics. Don't try to diagnose potential breach from within the compromised environment
@Xeo Well, that's easy. Get BartPE or another Live distro and check whether wifi is stable. That should rule out failing hardware.
 
Xeo
Currently, WLAN is stable again
Though not as fast as it used to be...
 
@sehe "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." — Ellen Ripley
 
Haha. "At the moment our software is 100% reliable". I think imma use that when presenting my QA report.
@RMartinhoFernandes Nice. But overkill. Just don't run anything from it.
 
Sorry, can't lose an opportunity for quoting from Alien or Aliens.
 
Xeo
Well, atleast I didn't log into anything important :D
Or infact, anything at all
 
12:37 AM
Two weeks for Prometheus. I'm dying here.
 
@Xeo That's what you think
@Xeo You're logged in to SO. And windows
 
Xeo
Let's see if the WLAN collapses again if I put some strain on it
Oh and btw, if the network collapses, it gets fixed up again by running the Windows problem handler thingy
 
@Xeo That's like, totally surreal.
 
Xeo
12:39 AM
hehe
Should I be worried that the problem handler actually fixes a problem?
 
@Xeo Oh it's MS strategy: they give each windows installation a yearly bout of 'flakyness' just to ensure people will love that Windows 'automatically' fixes it for them.
Karl Friedrich Hieronymus, Freiherr von Münchhausen (; 11 May 1720 – 22 February 1797), usually known as Baron Münchhausen in English, was a German nobleman born in Bodenwerder (Electorate Brunswick-Lüneburg) and a famous recounter of tall tales. In his youth Baron Hieronymus was sent to serve as page to Duke Anthony Ulrich II of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, and later joined the Russian military. He served until 1750, in particular taking part in two campaigns against the Ottoman Turks. Returning home, Münchhausen supposedly told a number of outrageously farfetched stories about his ad...
 
@Xeo Yes. I'm about half-joking on that.
 
Xeo
Btw, @RMartinhoFernandes, what about the eventviewer thingy now?
 
It would confirm if it shutdown by BSOD or by hardware.
Wait, BSOD would reboot.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes And possibly reveal unexpected Windows Installer activity - allthough, of course, it could erase traces
 
Xeo
12:41 AM
Hm, critical at 6pm, but I was awake and installing updates at that time... wtf
"Errors: last hour: 45" xD
24h: 339
 
@sehe Wait, that guy was real?
 
Could be normal
@RMartinhoFernandes Apparently
 
Xeo
hm, 28 of the 45 is failing wlan
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hmm I meant to refer to this entry, though:
Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSbP or MBP) is a controversial term that is used to describe a behavior pattern in which a caregiver deliberately exaggerates, fabricates, and/or induces physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in those who are in their care. With deception at its core, this behavior is an elusive, potentially lethal, and frequently misunderstood form of child abuse or medical neglect that has been difficult to define, detect and confirm. The name "Münchausen syndrome by proxy" is derived from Münchausen syndrome, but it is important to distingu...
@Xeo That's symptoms. We want causes
 
Xeo
I want that too :P
 
12:44 AM
We includes you. 'You want causes' was more accurate but sounded a bit stern
 
Xeo
I don't know where to find them, though
 
@Xeo ... unless time machines have been invented without my consent, look before those entries
 
Specifically, what happened last night.
 
What did you do last summer
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes At night, I was awake until ~7am, after that I was asleep till ~4pm, and between that, the PC was running (until some point, anyways)
 
12:47 AM
I mean, what does the event viewer say?
 
Xeo
If you tell me where specifically I can look at the events by the time they happened, I'll gladly give out that info
Wait, nvm, I think I found it
 
Under Custom Views there should be an Administrative Events filter.
I really gotta sleep now.
Good night.
 
Xeo
g'night
Hm, only two errors after I was asleep and before I was awake..
Can I change the language to English for that thing?
 
Or worse named filters, in uncanny hierarchies that are neither taxonomical nor economical. It really is a joy to behold. Windows at it's best. Oh and you can see about 4 messages on a screen, text needs to be scrolled in tiny text boxes without scrollbars and there is no (easy) way to copy/paste information in, say, plain text format.
@RMartinhoFernandes Night
 
@sehe Yeah, the new Event Viewer is a complete mess.
 
12:52 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes The old one rocked? Weehoo. Derp.
 
It was mildly usable.
At least compared to this thing.
 
Xeo
One of the two errors is a SideBySide error involving "C:\Program Files\Windows Kits\8.0\bin\x64\oleview.exe"
 
Did I mention, Microsoft has a tendency to overengineer their way out of the prior mess into a much better one?
@RMartinhoFernandes Disagree. I hate eventvwr more than I do registries.
@Xeo Not interesting. It means (likely) you have viewed a typelibrary (done COM / interop with IDL lately?)
 
Xeo
The other one is something with CAPI2 and "http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/...", but I just checked and that's the official MS site..
 
Hmm. I just remembered, oleview has the ability to run (instantiate) ActiveX controls in a testbed, a bit like a standalone Java applet viewer. Could be an attack vector. But that's a long shot
 
Xeo
12:55 AM
@sehe nope, no COM
 
@Xeo CAPI2 is telephony, rings an association with rasapi32 (rasapi32 should be doing PPTP - think dialup networking, CAPI2 is geared to Voice telephony)
Well -- fuck me. Why do I know these things? I really used to have better memory 10 years ago. I'm amazed
 
Xeo
Well, other than that, no errors/criticals/warnings in the timeframe I was asleep
 
@Xeo Why confine it to that area? You might have broken something before you went to bed, but manifested itself later
 
Xeo
The one before that was at 2AM where I was playing around with how stupid MSVC++ is (together with @stdOrgnlDave) and the package server died on me
 
@Xeo Nuget?
 
Xeo
12:58 AM
?
 
What package server?
 
Xeo
> VCPkgSrv.exe
Happens all the time with VS11 dev preview
> C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0\VC\vcpackages\VCPkgSrv.exe
 
Also, don't focus on errors. Focus on informationals too: they could tell you what changes you made that could trigger problems
 
Xeo
I'm looking at all messages, but the most are errors with a few warnings interspersed
how the fuck did I manage to write "logging" instead of "looking"...
Hm, maybe that adim view thingy just doesn't show infos
indeed, it does not
 
@Xeo Freudian. It means you write/say what you think of instead of what you resolved on writing/saying seconds before
 
Xeo
1:02 AM
Yeah, but still
 
Was there a windows update related to ole automation (oleaut32 and stuff?)
 
Xeo
Nothing with ole in the last week
or month, even
 
What? Did they implement a search feature? Holy smokes. Things are looking up. Next thing you know, you might be able to grep logs ;)
 
Xeo
@sehe Err, no, I just looked at the update history
Not that many updates in the last month
Okay, now I got the info view..
 
Sadly, I'm going to have to leave you. I'd seriously consider shutting down, reboot off trusted, readonly media and scan your system. Any compromise could have erased such traces.
 
Xeo
1:06 AM
Or just reinstall Windows
Since I don't currently have any liveimage
Next time the aero design / color scheme fucks up I'll do just that.
 
@Xeo These can be downloaded. That is pretty tamper-safe since no software will reliably tamper with ISO compressed images on the fly :)
Also, MD5s can be checked after booting into the 'safe' environment
@Xeo Good point.
 
Xeo
Yeah, but at this point I just don't want to worry about it anymore
So I'll just nuke it if it derps around again
 
@Xeo The Power button is your ally
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
And then I thought "Houston, we have button."
Sleep well (if applicable)
 
Xeo
Aye, I already made my backups, so
Will do in a few hours, I rarely go to sleep before 6am atm :P
 
@Xeo With or without virusses?
 
Xeo
1:09 AM
@sehe No exes, just bookmarks, sticky notes and registry
the rest is on my external HDD anyways
 
@Xeo You'd be amazed what can contain payloads on windows (or any other OS for that matter).
Run a free (online) virus scan. better safe than sorry. (Which one to trust: follow reviews on the net, I don't use windows)
 
Xeo
Well, I got MS Security Essentials running, and that didn't pick up anything. Maybe I'll try with some online scan
 
A rootkit is a software package which provides an enhanced capability by accessing, adding code to, or replacing portions of the core operating system. There are numerous packages, in the hundreds or even thousands, which legitimately include this level of system access. The term rootkit is a concatenation of "root" (the traditional name of the privileged account on Unix operating systems) and the word "kit" (which refers to the related components grouped together to form a software package). While originating in the Unix environment, the term is now applied to packages for all operating sy...
^ thwarts detection by official tools
I'm suggesting online scan booted outside this installation. Otherwise it'll be the observer paradox. Any malware can simply remove itself from the results. (EnumProcesses etc.)
 
Xeo
Meh, then I need a live image again xD
Anyways, thanks for the help
 
Cheers
 
1:51 AM
can macros be evaluated multiple times at compile time by using them in recursive template isntantiations?
or do they do the cut-and-paste thing once before templates are instantiated
@sehe my second opinion is that @xeo needs to completely uninstall and reinstall his networking drivers, pirate and run registry clean expert (there is a clean one on TPB, the one with the most seeds), and then use avira to sweep his computer
 
Xeo
@stdOrgnlDave the preprocessor finishes long before templates even come into play
 
first, of course, @xeo should run bleepingcomputer.com/download/rkill and then support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208280684 to look for and clean out the most common rootkit
@xeo that's what I thought. tx
damn I missed the party
also @xeo avira (free-av.com) is a decent free antivirus, though the latest versions make it less than ideal sometimes for everyday useage
 
 
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3:23 AM
heloo
C++ Gui guide
 
user406009
?
 
gui is totally platform dependent
so what, os are you going to build for
 
7
windows
I am confused becos there are so many options
i need to integrate opencv also
this is my first job in c++..
 
user406009
Qt is a nice gui library for C++.
 
user406009
But there is also wxWidgets, gtkmm, etc.
 
3:34 AM
wxwidgets ..i tried to use
but there are no enough documents for a starter
what about MFC
 
user406009
Have not really used it that much.
 
okay...QT is what everyone recommends
I just need to know..what level of proficiency in c++ is needed for Qt gui programming
?
in general to develop a application in c++
 
3:52 AM
@ScottW what's a variable
it is a mere pawn in the game we programmers play at as gods
they do everything we tell them to down to the last detail. not very god-like
in soviet russia, computer programs me?
I'm not in soviet russia though.
wait - you're about to say "so you think "
@lakshmikant the plain win32 API isn't as bad as it's cracked up to be
 
@stdOrgnlDave thanks
i will look into it
 
it depends on how complex your GUI is gonna be I guess
 
Mine is just for taking a input image and process it
i am using opencv
 
I would say that if you can use opencv proficiently then you can learn the win32 api or qt well enough to suit your task, assuming you're not programming photoshop :-P
 
4:09 AM
and adding some options like thresholding,histogram view,span the image
like that
 
I don't like to program GUI's myself much
well, not windows-type GUIs
if you're looking to just get keyboard/mouse I/O and put a picture on the screen with some windows, SDL is a bare-minimum way of supporting that
 
:) then imagine a fresher
 
but it doesn't really support menus or widgets
very well
 
I would like to do object detection in the image
 
SDL is very simple to use
 
4:16 AM
20
Q: How can i efficiently select a Standard library container in C++11?

BlakBatThere's a well known image (cheat sheet) called "C++ Container choice". It's a flow chart to choose the best container for the wanted usage. Does anybody know if there's already a C++11 version of it? This is the previous one:

 
wtf is Feeds
 
thanks for the inputs
 
in fact SDL seems like it may be a good route for you
but anyhow, cya
 
Repost, just because I found it again on my hard drive:
 
puppies are so stupid aren't they @DeadMG
well I'm getting off now, before someone comes on and starts asking about raytracing or c strings or whatever is next and keeps me up for hours tutoring
goodnight
 
5:10 AM
 
5:23 AM
@StackedCrooked me steel for fazebuck
 
You're welcome :)
 
 
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7:11 AM
@stdOrgnlDave or about raytracing in strings. You know, libcaca and stuff
@ScottW where
 
Give us the reviews!
These are terrible :(
Actually it is pretty good
I give it 7.5/10
Two stars, one turkey, and a thumb sideways too
 
7:25 AM
> The script was also extremely dry and poorly written
> every time he came on screen I chose to express it through hysterical laughter
 
@sehe Is your monitor really that tall?
 
morning all
 
@ScottW Sry 'bout the - had to go into crawling space under house to open the main tap for the outside water taps...
I'm here now
The screenshot serves as my main point of feedback on the blog: it is rather daunting from the page surface :) I think it would be nice to have a little but more structure (add headings, perhaps a bullet (good/bad summary?) and, dare I say, a still shot to break the 'gray' ?
 
@sehe well, that's one poorly written review. about half of it is just picking on things that the were not liked, with seemingly no justification. Also seems to have got far too hung up on some earlier points and then rushed through the end just trying to give some quick remarks on actors
 
@thecoshman With a background like that, you can't possibly take anything serious written on that page.
 
7:39 AM
@Neil at first, I failed to notice it, then I just after I reviewed the review, I noticed the background
 
@thecoshman I didn't really need your opinion, though
 
@ScottW I'm not going to claim to be a review master, but I am fairly sure you can see where you could improve it
 
Why would he, though?
 
@sehe I wasn't intending to review the review :P
 
@thecoshman I find it amusing to spot web pages still written like they were made in 1995, with blinking text and repeating wallpaper backgrounds
 
7:41 AM
@sehe considering he a has a blog for film reviews, I wouldn't think it a huge leep of faith to assume he likes reviewing films.
 
@thecoshman Exactly. He likes it. What do you do for hobby / diversion?
@ScottW browsershots.org/http://filmthinker.blogspot.com 38 browsers tested, 103 total :)
 
@sehe sadly, for the last ages, DIY. but when I get to actually set my little zone of piece back, it's warhammer
 
@ScottW Then it's likely the browser that doesn't know how to render it correctly.
 
@ScottW my point is, I do rather enjoy reading the review (yours is as good as anybody's for me). However, I found the presentation a turn off. And I'm not talking about the background (as you have found by now, I'm not much for visuals)
Just a touch of markup, don't overdo it :)
So it's not about visuals to me, not about modern use of table-less inherited CSS, not about gimmicks with pxel optimization, no hovers (please) or hyperlinks to IMDB.
Just the functional 'aid' in helping your eyes navigate the page and track the text. People need that. Anyways, I'm repeating myself :)
 
7:56 AM
I've found that simple colors which go together and text you can read with those colors is ideal. If it has a subtle background as well, it's elegant as well.
Though it helps to know what colors you're going to use ahead of time
 
@ScottW word's can't describe how bad a review review review that was
 

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