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@CheersandhthAlf I swear I will get around to reading through your work soon. It's good stuff so far, I've just been actually working at work and at home :(
 
oh, thanks
if published i'll be sure to add you in acknowledgments, if you want
 
@ScottW shall we stop here? If we keep this up, we'll get stuck on the word limit
 
Are you referring to 'new[1000]' potentially allocating more than just 1000 elements? That's true, but also ludicrous. I prefer to assume the OP is sane. This sentence from the Q just about sums it up `"If I use: sizeof(buffer) then it is only 1 byte written"`. Add to that I am C# and Java programmer (22 hrs ago) and you'll realize that there is really no debate as to what he meant. — sehe 43 secs ago
 
i'm only acknowledged in one book AFAIK
 
8:02 AM
Oh my. How do people want to stick to their initial takes on things?
@CheersandhthAlf That's the strangest unsollicited statement I've seen in a while.
 
@CheersandhthAlf cool stuff, though I hardly think I've earnt that yet
@sehe He's not got a been to his name
 
well i was acknowledge by andrei in his mojo article, but that's all
not a bean to my name :-(
oh i'm full of envy of those who got lots of beans (not!)
 
What are you guys on about? Beans? Java?
 
void bitchslap() { bitchslap(); } ( I like to personify program flaws )
 
@sehe to not have a bean to your name would be saying you have not got a penny to your name
I made a punny :D
 
8:07 AM
@Neil mmm. bitchslap is infinite recursion because...?
 
@sbi Whoa. That's intense
 
@sehe Because I see the program and the CPU in a bitchslap fight until the operating system steps in
 
Parenting FAIL
Big time
 
@sbi to be fair, I can see where he thought that was funny
 
8:10 AM
@thecoshman God help us and your potential progeny
@thecoshman It's never really funny when people fail to think about consequences.
Even if it ends well, it just indicates bad thinking hygiene.
 
Putting him in the machine, a bit funny, closing the door though, that's where it get's dodgy
 
Anytime you propose to do something out of the ordinary, you should automatically consider what could go wrong.
It is exceedingly obvious to anyone that laundromats weren't made for this, and even if the machine didn't lock + start, it would be setting an extremely bad example on how to treat property of others.
 
sbi
My kids climbed into all kinds of cupboards, too, and if I had a bigger washing machine, they might have tried to climb into that, too. But I would have talked them into believing that this is dangerous, and made sure the thing is unplugged unless in use. Yeah, and closing the door of a washing machine on your child seems creepy.
 
I even teach my kids to never open two drawers in the same cupboard at once. Even though all our cupboards in the house are safely mounted (or not top heavy, by design).
It just helps them think about intended use. You know, stop them thinking even before they consider using the drawers as a staircase :)
Intended use --> common sense.
@sbi I bet the laundry will install that central kill switch pretty soon
 
sbi
@sehe At least give Darwin a chance, man!
 
8:17 AM
My point is, I don't think this parent is 'bad' just a bit stupid. It's not like he was dangling his child over a pack of 'gaters
 
sbi
@thecoshman Of course.
 
@thecoshman What is the difference?
 
@sehe that's the thing I thought was most shocking, there seemed to no panic button
 
sbi
@sehe The difference is that someone who is bad might do bad things maliciously and continuously.
 
@sehe the level of risk. A washing machine drum is not directly dangerous to be in, unless you get locks in and it starts. Hang over gaters is a fair bit more dangerous, and a lot easier for it go wrong
 
8:19 AM
Welcome to capitalism: safety precautions cost money, laundries don't have to undergo audits like entertainment parks (heck... would there be a reason for that?)
@sbi I see what you mean, but really, principially, I don't see a difference. I'd still say the parent is a bad parent. Just that parents don't do it 'intentionally' or 'can't help it' doesn't really change that.
 
Welcome to decent world, where people look at for others and try to prevent people scrimping your safety away
 
I'd say, the parents don't look like they're evil, but it is parenting fail of the purest kind.
@thecoshman Welcome to the world where parents look out for their (and other) children, instead of actively putting them in harm's way...
 
sbi
@sehe That's bovine excrements, really. It's not that hard to put a safety switch into the wire that provides all the machines with energy. It's more a problem of anticipating such stupidity in the first place.
 
@sbi come on man, say it properly "Bull Shit"
 
sbi
@ScottW There's all kinds of parents in this world. You know, even this father might be one who jumps in front of his toddler to catch a bullet. You never know. He certainly seemed very worried about what happened.
 
8:23 AM
@ScottW Debatable. It is close to my world. Just today I called the 'hard'/'socially undesired' decision to not allow my kids to go to a water-playground with a classmate.
 
What happened to the kid in the end? Anyone know?
 
sbi
@thecoshman I did say this.
 
Thing is, none of my kids have swimming 'exams' yet, there was gonna be 1 parent for 4 small kids and I haven't ever seen the playground.
 
sbi
@Neil It's written there:
> The child suffered minor injuries and is safe
 
@sbi technically, no. Bovine does not mean 'bull', it's just closer to cow. and "cow shit" sounds stupid
 
8:24 AM
@thecoshman Bovine doesn't mean 'cow' either.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Actually, "bovine" stands for a whole family of species.
 
@thecoshman It isn't closer to cow. Citation needed
 
I think that must be one of the worst feelings in the world. To have put your child in the washing machine with your child looking back through the double pane plastic door and mouth the words, "Daddy, what did I do wrong?"
 
@Neil you won't be able to lip read that, because of the rotation.
 
sbi
@sehe I would decide that depending on the parent. I would need to know the parent well enough and trust it to be able to deal with 4 kids in such a situation.
 
8:26 AM
@sehe True, but if you could, I bet you'd feel even worse.
 
Anyways, I was rather shocked that the parents both left the machine unattended, while the kid was whirling.
 
sbi
@sehe "Water playground" doesn't sound like there's water deeper than 20cm.
@sehe They were running for help, and got help, that way.
 
@sehe Neil could be a very good lip reader, experienced at reading rotating lips
 
@sehe They went to get someone to stop the machine, and while that was a good idea, a better one would have tried to unplug it myself
 
@sehe shocked they saw they couldn't do anything stood there and ran for help?
 
8:28 AM
@sbi That's basically what I thought. The immediate trigger that made me resolve to 'no' was a particular line in the SMS she texted me saying 'It's ok, there no water deeper than, say, waist height for <insert youngest name>'.
I thought that seemed to miss the point of water safety in an alarming way ^
 
@thecoshman It's true. I spent time as a carnie and the noises were so loud, I could only really read lips when they were screaming to stop the ride
 
@ScottW or, both can go get help?
 
@ScottW That was my point. One gets someone to turn it off while the other (the father) tries to unplug it himself
 
@Neil Would they scream to stop, then?
 
sbi
@sehe Well, I have seen a child fall in water waist-high for it, and being unable to get up alone, so this is a height I would certainly think well about.
 
8:29 AM
@sehe Yes, they'd mouth stop over and over. Took some time to be able to read their lips though since I cranked up the velocity on those spinning machines more than I should have
 
@sbi a kid could fall over badly, knock them self out for a bit and drown in just a few inches
 
@Neil Yeah, I was torn on that. I can see they panicked. I can also see they didn't cope with the pressure to well (look at the amount of jumping of the father, and the senseless aggression shown by the mother. This looks like rather childish behaviour to me. Doesn't go with 'responsibilty' in my view, even after a major screw up.)
 
sbi
@thecoshman No knocking out needed. The shock of being under water is enough for them to fail to coordinate their limbs for getting up.
 
@sehe To their credit though, I don't think anyone can know how they'd react in a situation like that. That's frustration cubed.
 
@sehe it's easy to criticise there reactions. I'd like to think I would respond better, but you honestly can't say until you get into a similar situation. Something I really hope I won't
@sbi kids are so derpy
@ScottW go on...
 
8:33 AM
If it had been a bear to leap out of the woods and start tearing up your kid, and for some strange reason, he managed to drop a glass wall between you and the bear, I imagine that type of frustration would be roughly the same.
 
@Neil At least you can take solace that neither bear or the 'hand of god' glass is your fault. Kid in washing machine, entirely your fault
@ScottW "for fuck sake Scot, how many times do I have to pull your stupid ass out of the swimming pool?"
 
@sbi Precisely. My daughter had a strange experience like that, once, in the swimming pool (toddlers section). She slipped and somehow got disoriented. I was there in a second, and her 7-y old niece already intuitively pulled her up at the same moment. My natural reaction would have been to 'downplay' it and say "See, nothing happened" (since I was in control) but, ...
... she had clearly experienced the thing as scary, and claimed her niece "rescued her". I thought that was probably a better way to remember it and opted to confirm that it was a very good thing that her niece pulled her out.
@thecoshman "I was torn on that. I can see they panicked" <-- there
 
wow, awesome niece. I hope she got some presents
@sehe there -->
 
@thecoshman Erm. Nope. I was there too. She got the credits :)
 
sbi
@thecoshman She still has a small niece — who looked up at her. What more would a child want?
 
8:40 AM
@sbi give her a pony :D
 
And besides, she is one the Ugandan nieces, so they were over on 'invitation' spending a weekend camping. I don't think the extra /pony/ would have made an impression.
 
I almost drowned above water. I must have been about 12 years old at the time. I was testing my ability to dive and stay underwater as long as possible. I was actually quite good at it, staying underwater for 2 minutes at a time without breathing. I leapt out of the water out of breath and the one-piece goggles had somehow managed to collect water and cover my mouth as I was leaving the water.
I was nearly about to black out from the lack of oxygen and for some strange reason, I was out of the water and unable to breathe. It dawned on me before blacking out, and I removed the goggles from my face and started breathing again. My parents were watching me from the edge of the pool. They had no idea it happened.
 
Hah, +100 on that divide/bitshift answer.
 
Probably nothing would have happened if I did black out, but all the same, close call.
 
@Neil That's eerie.
 
8:44 AM
@sehe I felt stupid afterwards, but at the time it felt like that final destination movie where death is out to get you in the stupidest ways.
 
@Neil did it put you off?
 
@Neil I have had a blackout from falling down on my chin quite badly. I was so angry and frustrated at my big sisters who never noticed. I still remember the sensation, and the 'bewilderment' on 'coming back'. The whole thing probably lasted only seconds, which is why noone paid any attention - just another fall :)
 
@thecoshman What do you mean?
 
@ScottW Did that freak you out too?
 
@sehe Yeah, I guess once they've seen you fall enough times, one is the same as any
 
8:48 AM
@Neil did it scare you away from diving and going under water?
 
@thecoshman For a bit, yeah, though I still swim. I just don't test my diving abilities anymore. :)
 
@Neil I have the same approach, really. I never flinch. Though, somehow, I can tell from the strangest signals. Last week, I heard nothing but a soft, dull, thump in the other room, and I got there in seconds, well before my daughter even started to audibly cry. She had hit her head on the corner of the doll house (...) standing back up. My wife, who actually had a clear view of it, never even noticed it before she started crying
 
I've got a cat, much easier to look after. Mine even came toilet trained
 
:)
 
Though, I am picking up a (un)healthy collection of scratches on my hands and arms :P
 
8:53 AM
@thecoshman We've got a cat too. Still the same deal. Make sure he doesn't get out of the house (yet). We have a leish for the first few weeks, and we have to constantly keep an eye on it so the cat doesn't get strangled. We have to actively guide children that it is OK for a cat to walk the edge of the 'stairwell fence', but you shouldn't play or pet the cat when he's on there. Same stuff really, just different stakes.
It will be easier once he is 'domesticated' - he'll be able to go out unattended after a few more weeks.
 
@sehe 'Sid' is going to be an indoor kitty. So far, seems fairly easy to keep her in the downstairs so we can get in and out the house with out her escaping
 
Yesterday, I already let him come outside with me 'freely' when I cleaned up the stuff from the garden. I knew I could re-affirm him immediately after, since it was feeding time. You should have seen the expression on my wife's face :) "What did you just do?!"
 
got her a kitten collar last night, and she has spent most of the time trying to eat it. Seems to have settled into it though
 
I love that, playing with trust, giving it, knowing that you will get it back
(But I'm not naieve, I had a backup plan: feeding time)
 
I don't think 'Sid' quite knows the noise of food yet. Though she knows she likes it :D
 
8:58 AM
@thecoshman Yeah our cat took two days to get used to it. But he's rather chill in general, so he's still happy to get it attached
 
So far the cat has proved remarkable brave to so many things in the house. So many odd noises and she just doesn't care
 
@CheersandhthAlf So, after posting it four times since November you finally managed to get it starred :)
 
What's going on with these random Runtime Error(s)
 
Hey, good morning
 
Is there some kind of scheduled maintainance?
Also hello
 
9:05 AM
@Cicada Where
 
I would love an Irish wolf hound, but I would need to move out to some where with a big garden me thinks
@Cicada on SO?
 
@sehe Any SO page
 
@thecoshman I don't think it is allowed to lvoe animals
 
I've only been on chat for the last few days
 
@Cicada Oh. Nice. Not scheduled, since there would have been a banner and a differen message too
 
sbi
9:06 AM
@MooingDuck See, others have similar problems:
> Limping mother of snarf .. it wasn't a CSS bug after all, the monitor cable was not inserted fully into my laptop. #headdesk — Tim Post
 
Check twitter, it has an active SO sub culture
@sbi "Limping mother of snarf" - I suppose he pulled the wrong cable now, see stackoverflow.com
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, it's dead, I noticed it, too.
 
But: we don't care. As long as chat works we're fine ♫
 
I clicked "post answer". SO died. I want some rep to compensate this outage!
 
@Cicada Pro tip: ^A^C before submit. And/or use ItsAllText or similar
 
9:09 AM
Chrome saves text fields when going back in history
 
what is SO? is that a thing where we send noobs when they ask something here?
 
@Cicada So - no compensation required
 
@Cicada It does?! *quickly erases all history*
 
@Neil Actually, I think that is somehow a SO feature (try working on the same post on different machines. You'll see the active edits on the other machine.
 
@Cicada I have found that to not all ways work
 
9:11 AM
stackoverflow.com is back, anyways
 
@sehe It probably uses cookies, though technically there's nothing keeping chrome from doing it for any field for any page you visit
 
Yeah and the question got answered already ;_;
 
sbi
@balpha THE CHAT! THE CHAT! OMG, IT'S DOWN AGAIN! What are we gonna do?
 
@Neil No, it isn't just cookies, that's my point. Cookies don't astrally project onto different machines and browsers.
 
@sehe They don't ? My whole life was a lie! :(
 
9:14 AM
huh... just found an internal ticket tool for one of the tools we use. Has an interface remarkably like SO
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's a big non-sequitur. I should find out what logical fallacy is a better match, but the two aren't related :)
 
is the stack exchange engine open source or something?
 
@thecoshman You have to find that out? Are you on some kind of survival/dropping mission or something?
 
@sehe :P
 
@thecoshman Several clones exist
 
9:16 AM
How do i use find_if to compare two list elements ? one given as input to the function and one as the predicate argument
 
@Michael Use bind. C++03 or C++11? Boost or non-boost? By the way: stackoverflow.com has a search box, and this is a vFAQ
 
@sehe that explains it then :P
 
find_if(begin(list), end(list), lambda as a predicate) ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's the point, depends on context.
 
@sehe couldn't find a question for that since i don't really know what to look for.
 
9:18 AM
@Michael Me neither, see the questions:
1 min ago, by sehe
@Michael Use bind. C++03 or C++11? Boost or non-boost? By the way: http://stackoverflow.com has a search box, and this is a vFAQ
 
@Michael What exactly do you need :) ? Compare a primitive of two user defined types in a list ?
@Michael I am in a good mood so take advantage of me now since as soon as i fire legend of grimrock up, I'm a goner :)
 
@sehe yes, my problem is that i can only define one argument in the predicate and can't pass it the other argument i got from the function
 
@sehe True, but you sure it does the same on different machines? It's becoming all the rage lately to put all data on the cookies since most people don't browse without cookies active and javascript on anymore.
 
and the predicate is defined outside of the scope of the function so it doesnt know the other element
 
@Michael You still need to answer the questions. I can write out the incantations in any of the four permutations there, but I won't waste my time if you don't specify the target language/libs
@Neil I'm sure.
 
9:20 AM
@sehe i'm using VS2010 but I don't care about the compiler, prefer it to be as standard as possible
@sehe and i don't know what boost is
 
SACRILEGE!
 
Ok. Like @ScarletAmaranth said:

T targetvalue;
find_if(b,e, [targetvalue](const T&v) { return targetvalue == v; })
@Michael That's ok.
 
Boost is the very most awesome pewpew zomfg lazor-kittenz library in zeh multiverse.
Legend of Grimrock, here i come :) Solong.
 
alright i will read about lambda expressions thanks
 
@Michael You can always use C++03 stuff: stackoverflow.com/…
 
9:25 AM
lambda seems easier
 
@Michael A lot. Thought I'd mention it since you said
4 mins ago, by Michael
@sehe i'm using VS2010 but I don't care about the compiler, prefer it to be as standard as possible
All recent compilers do support lambdas nowadays, AFAIR (clang, gcc, MSVC, intel)
TIL: IBM's xlC++ compiler doesn't lambda yet: pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/comphelp/v111v131/index.jsp
It does do variadics, though - <grin/>
 
@sehe i'm still struggling with the details but it seems to be the right solution for me
 
@Michael Post on SO if you need more help :)
 
@sehe okay thanks
 
9:54 AM
Chrome process grew to 1GB and started to eat up CPU.
Stupid Chrome.
 
yeah, chrome does like to nom on ram
 
Though when you compare chrome to javascript benchmarks with Firefox and Microsoft Internet Explorer, it beat both
It beat Internet Explorer by a longshot, though when you consider how recent chrome is, the fact that it beat firefox is equally impressive imo
 
@sehe if at first you succeed, try again, and again
 
@Michael Gotta run. Left you an answer stackoverflow.com/a/10717711/85371
 
@sehe i'll have a look, thanks !
 
10:15 AM
HorribleException - Java does have a flair for the dramatic, doesn't it?
 
> You've earned the "Great Answer" badge for Which is better option to use for dividing an integer number by 2?. See your profile.
 
@CatPlusPlus See that? You're brilliant because you know how to divide by 2.
 
And they say math is not useful.
 
@CatPlusPlus I know, right?
 
we need badge "lucker"
 
10:19 AM
Could I earn the "Great Answer" badge for Which is better option to use for dividing an integer number by 4? too? :)
 
I'm not even sure if it's even appropriate to use bitwise operations to divide by a power of 2
I mean you could, but it's not necessarily the case that an integer is represented in that way
rather than get half, you might get some weird negative value instead
 
That's the least of the problems.
Two's complement is most common.
 
Only in programming would you have problems like this. It's not everyday that one says, "Should I use a knife to cut the pizza? Because technically a knife like this should cut vegetables. Isn't there like a pizza cutter I should use instead?"
 
Compiler will know if it's safe, and reduce the division to bitshift.
 
@CatPlusPlus You put too much faith in the compiler
 
10:22 AM
It's trivial optimisation, every compiler is capable of strength reduction.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, but you're not supposed to count on optimization
 
You are supposed to count on micro-optimisation.
 
yeah, any one who is obtuse enough to use bit shift to divide/multiply by powers of 2 should be slapped. Any compiler that can't tell when a bit shift can be used to a slight optimisations should be slapped.
 
Unless you really can't, but you wouldn't be asking those kind of questions then.
 
If you wrote a program which would work only if it was written in a way that would be possible only if the compiler optimized yoru code, you've written broken code
 
10:24 AM
It really depends on what kind of architecture you're targetting, too.
 
@Neil but you're not suppose to worry about optimisation until you have a problem that needs to be optimised
 
Making code unreadable for useless 'optimisations' is fail.
 
@CatPlusPlus agreed
 
You don't rely on optimisations making your program work, that's silly.
 
@thecoshman That was my point. Leave optimizations (or lack thereof) to the compiler
At least on a micro level. Obviously you're not going to want to use bubble sort.
 
10:25 AM
@CatPlusPlus I bet someone, some where has done some messed up shit that requires a data type to be a represented in a certain way so the bit shift gives a certain result
@Neil bubbles!
 
Also signed bitshifts are weird.
 
If I had a complaint about C++ it's that it doesn't properly separate assembly-level sophistication from high-abstraction
Meaning you could write a factory pattern one moment and then use bit shift the next.
 
That's one of the things I like
you can do what you want, there's no twating around with abstractions stopping you
 
@Neil I always used "C++ lets you the user make the appropriate call about what level of abstraction you want to program at and lets you mix levels as appropriate" as an argument in favour
 
none of this 'wiping your ass' garbage collection
 
10:29 AM
@awoodland It would be ideal if you could choose your level of abstraction
 
you are trusted to know what you are doing
 
@thecoshman That's just it. Do you trust a programmer to use C++ properly?
 
@Neil you can. Nobody forces you to use crazy design patterns and nobody forces you to bit twiddle
 
@Neil I don't trust every fucker in the world, I still think cars are a good idea. The fact that some people write shit code does not mean I should be put in a safety cage
 
I spend an hour every year doing a lecture that can be summarised as "C++ is a big toolbox that lets you pick the right tool for the right job"
 
10:32 AM
@awoodland I think it's a limitation to a programming language to have to work with primitives
I doubt there's a way to abstract that away, but if there were without losing your ability to program in that language, it would be a powerful language indeed
there's power in abstraction, not the other way around
Though it doesn't surprise me in the least that this is an unpopular opinion.
 
but even if you use primitives to build a new set of higher level primitives the new higher level set of primitives is still a set of primitives
 
@awoodland In fact, I don't think you can abstract away primitives. Boxing primitives isn't abstracting
Actually it's making things more complicated without the abstraction
 
@Neil I more meant that if you build say a tool for expressing your problems not as bunches of data but as some more complex set of interactions between things that new set of operations/relations is your new primitive
what you really want is a tool that's intuitive and magically adapts to fit the domain you're working in, but given that semantic analysis of problem descriptions is a rather tough unsolved problem I'll take something that lets me do the hard work the most appropriate way any day.
 
@awoodland What you call hard work is the unavoidable low-level programming most every programming language has to deal with
 
@Neil you could abstract the basic data types behind one generic 'data' type, but that is basically going back to weak typing
 
10:40 AM
The "hardwork" bit is translating domain specific knowledge and problem statements into a formalised unambiguous machine understandable language
 
@thecoshman Again I say this one last time. You can't abstract away that sort of thing without losing capability in a programming language.
 
how and at what level you do that is nothing more than a choice of what's the easiest way to do it
 
Some things are unavoidable, however it's mostly due to the fact that a programming language must, in fact, do anything
If you wanted a programming language which could write an operating system, you couldn't, for example, do certain kinds of abstraction like file systems and threading
You'd have to build it up entirely by hand, and a programming language that doesn't let you do that is too abstract.
However, I would argue that it's not an entirely bad thing that it's too abstract
 
@Neil but with in that "do anything" your language can make tasks A B and C trivial to express using syntax 1, D very hard and E easy to express in a less well used syntax 2
 
Maybe I couldn't write an operating system in Java, but I could write an emulator.
 
10:43 AM
@awoodland That's precisely the goal of DSL
 
I have to argue with you later, lunchtime
 
@Neil you could write an operating system in Java, you just need to find a way to compile Java to native machine code
 
but that's kind of the point though - I can build something that gets close to a domain specific language within the bounds of C++ if I want. But then I can integrate that within some other general-purpose things too because it's all the same language and I pick and choose the level of abstraction
 
Fairly sure we had this discussion less than a week ago, a programming language is not defined by concerns like being compiled to native code or run in a VM. Sure languages have there 'normally used as', but there is nothing stopping you from going against the grain. I could write a VM that JIT runs C++ equally, I could write a compile for Java to make directly executable binaries
 
@thecoshman doesn't LLVM JIT its bytecode which can be produced by clang?
 
10:49 AM
@Neil There are at least two OSs written in C#. I suppose you could do the same with Java.
 
@awoodland no idea
 
@awoodland Yes.
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
Fairly sure we had this discussion less than a week ago, a programming language is not defined by concerns like being compiled to native code or run in a VM. Sure languages have there 'normally used as', but there is nothing stopping you from going against the grain. I could write a VM that JIT runs C++ equally, I could write a compile for Java to make directly executable binaries
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I can't wait to see a real prototype of Singularity
 
What's a real prototype?
 
10:56 AM
@Cicada I doubt you'll ever see one. They already prototyped it, what'd be the point in making a "more real" one?
 
Something more than "just" the research project
 
it was a research project
Don't expect it to ever be more than a research project
Microsoft does a ton of big complex research projects which aren't expected to ever become more than that.
 
@Cicada I don't think prototype means what I think you think it means
 
Yeah I guess. Well that was an exciting project indeed.
@thecoshman By prototype I meant "more than just a POC". Because there's already a working prototype but it's just there to say "look, this works"
 
@jalf ... so they can secure patents and then take people to courts when they come along and make something just a little bit too similar
@Cicada a prototype is a POC.
you're thinking more like a limited production run
 
10:59 AM
@thecoshman I consider a prototype to be more polished than a mere POC
 
@Cicada I think you're in the minority there. The point in a prototype is usually that you don't polish it at all
 
a POC can still be well polished, it depends what exactly your 'C' is
 

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