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12:00 AM
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user142019
@LuchianGrigore Not for me.
 
ah, back now
 
@LuchianGrigore If you look at the translations for Backstroke of the West this line is in fact "DO NOT WANT" (Source: winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html)
 
12:06 AM
One piece is only at #7 :D
 
@StackedCrooked I know #3-4-6-10
 
I watched a single episose of Sword Art online.
 
I'm sad that HxH isn't there though... :(
 
hated it.
Mirai Nikki (Future Diary) was actually pretty good.
 
@Borgleader You should learn about 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8! (You can ignore 2, 4 9 and 10)
 
12:06 AM
I never got through watching the One Piece anime.
 
I didn't get into Fairy Tail much... dropped it after like half a season
 
I dunno, man, 1 doesn't sound that wonderful.
 
Also Bleach is over... I'm surprised it's on the list
 
What is Fate/Stay Night?
 
is a Japanese visual novel developed by Type-Moon, which was originally released as an adult game for Windows. A version of Fate/stay night rated for ages 15 and up titled Fate/stay night Réalta Nua (Irish for "new stars"), which features the Japanese voice actors from the anime series, was released for the PlayStation 2 and later for download on Windows as a trilogy covering the three main story lines. Réalta Nua is also ported to the PlayStation Vita. On October 28, 2005, Type-Moon released a sequel to Fate/stay night, titled Fate/hollow ataraxia. Its plot is set half a year after...
 
12:08 AM
@ThePhD How have you not heard of it?
 
@ThePhD WHAT!??
 
@StackedCrooked Well, hey, I watched a single episode of it, and I wasn't impressed...
 
@ThePhD I think it is @Xeo 's favorite anime
 
Maybe the Manga would be better.
 
@StackedCrooked I already know 6. And I'm a Narutard so... I won't ignore 10 ;)
 
12:09 AM
@Pubby > is a Japanese visual novel developed by Type-Moon, which was originally released as an adult game for Windows
I can see why.
 
@ThePhD Yeah, that's how you judge a 500+ episode anime, by wathing 1 ep.
 
Xeo
@Pubby Eh, not quite. The anime was crap compared to the visual novel, btw.
Well, except for the Unlimited Blade Works movie. That was awesome.
 
@StackedCrooked Well, uh. Alright. I'll try to watch more.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD The VN is great, story-wise.
 
@Pubby I think he's a big fan of the Type-Moon universe.
 
Xeo
12:10 AM
@StackedCrooked No, by watching the PV. :)
@StackedCrooked Confirmed.
I just recently rewatched Carnival Phantasm. So good.
 
@Xeo The last time soneone told me that and I believed them I was seeing something about people without limbs and burns and shit.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD lol, which one did you play?
 
@Xeo What is PV?
 
Oh, maybe I was thinking of Fate/Zero
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Preview, kinda like a trailer.
 
12:11 AM
Fate/foo
 
@Xeo It was like Kata{SOMETHING} Shouji (?) or something.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Katawa Shoujo
That's the 4chan original VN
 
Suffice to say after seeing armless sleeveless girl say Hi to me I closed it.
 
I want a new season of GITS :(
 
@ThePhD katawa shoujo
 
12:12 AM
Turns out I dodged a bullet because it apparently was adult themed. D:
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked s/shoujou/shoujo/
@ThePhD Eh, most VN are.
 
@Xeo right :D
 
@Xeo Any successful ones that aren't?
 
Xeo
Oh oh, btw @StackedCrooked, did you watch the unofficial Touhou Anime?
@ThePhD Clannad.
And Little Busters!
That one is just great.
 
@Xeo nope, I never even heard about that
 
12:13 AM
@Xeo That is a badass name. I want to find it now, so I will after I actually buy a laptop.
The name actually reminds me of the name Klonoa.
 
Hell you could probably stick the two together: Clannad Klonoa. Could be a weirdo's name or something.
 
Xeo
Took 'em 3 years to produce the second episode after the first one was released, but man, the quality improvements. It's a fan-made anime, but it looks friggin great, animation-wise. Well, the second episode does. The first is kinda funky at times, but still good.
 
So I've boiled my search down to two laptops:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834310661
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834216022
I plan on blowing up the Windows 8 and replacing it with Windows 7, unless there's some redeeming quality about Windows 8 I don't know about.
 
@ThePhD Toshiba has this tendency to do hyper fast discontinuation.
 
12:16 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Discontinuation being... they don't make that specific model anymore? Well, I wouldn't mind that. So long as I can get a warranty for a while.
 
@ThePhD You should go for a 13" really. Nice and compact.
 
@StackedCrooked I like it big.
Albeit the larger sizes tack on like an extra 100+ USD. @__@
 
@ThePhD o.O
 
@StackedCrooked No really I have an extra large backpack made for just carrying around big shit and books, including my last laptop which was liek 18 inches.
I didn't mind that it was heavy because it was fast.
Fast, well, up until I decided to restart and it just never allowed itself to turn on again. =[
 
12:20 AM
@StackedCrooked I loved it so much. Why did it do this to me? :c
 
Indeed :D
Apparently it got booted by somebody else :(
 
Xeo
@Stacked FWIW, I watched the AhoTaku one
Wait, that's only ep2
 
That's the unofficial Touhou anime you mentioned?
 
Xeo
s/Tohou/Touhou/
A summer day's dream, yes.
Unofficial in the sense that it's fan-made.
 
@Xeo right :D
 
Xeo
12:24 AM
Aka a doujin anime.
Ah, here's ep1
 
I'm definitely gonna watch it.
 
Xeo
Ever heard of Touhou before?
 
Vaguely, it does remind me of type-moon, for some reason..
 
@ThePhD Or, in this case, an extra $300. At least IMO, that's the big decision: is it worth $300 extra (to you) for the larger screen? Other than that, it's nearly a draw -- Toshiba has more RAM, but Lenovo includes SSD, so the Toshiba might play a game faster, but the Lenovo might well compile it faster.
 
IMO, no question, SSD > extra RAM
unless the less RAM machine has some crippledly low amount
 
12:28 AM
@DeadMG nah -- 8 vs. 12 GiB.
 
I've just had an awesome idea
buy an XBOX from Canada
apparently, much cheaper than back home
 
@DeadMG But the SSD is pretty small (16 GiB).
@LuchianGrigore Better idea: buy three or four (and sell all but one when you get home).
 
@JerryCoffin I'd probably only be able to have just my source files on the SDD plus Windows 7.
 
@JerryCoffin actually, I'll have trouble fitting just 1 in my luggage
 
Xeo
12:30 AM
@StackedCrooked Yeah, very wrong. :)
I think I mentioned before that I love the game music and the many remixes that exist of it.
 
@ThePhD Quite possibly. It's certainly not a big SSD.
 
If I don't manually fix my old Toshiba, I could pull my old RAM from the Toshiba and stick it in the Lenovo.
'Course, I don't know how many slots the Lenovo would have internally.
 
I must have associated the long "oh" in "Touhou" with the typical family names that exist in the Type Moon universe.
 
@JerryCoffin Can you even fit Windows in that?
 
@DeadMG A small window perhaps.
 
12:34 AM
@DeadMG 16 GB is enough to have a Windows install, but you'd have like (IIRC) 5 GB of breathing room?
 
@DeadMG I don't think all of Windows will fit, but I think it uses it as a cache, and puts the parts you use there (doubt you have one of every device for which it includes a driver...)
 
That's not even a Visual Studio's worth of installs.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Tohno?
 
@Xeo Tohno, Matou, ...
 
Xeo
Ah, yeah.
 
12:35 AM
I'm cold
 
Sep 22 at 8:43, by StackedCrooked
@Xeo I like how the name "Tohno" sounds dark and weighty. Typical for Typemoon family names. Like Matō in FZ.
@DeadMG You're as cold as a bitchy woman.
 
user142019
Hilarious.
 
12:48 AM
@Zoidberg'-- Wow, they're getting slammed roflmao.
 
1:04 AM
@Xeo Don't use decltype. I have an SFINAE-enabled value_type trait with accompanying alias.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Don't ask me why I'm so hooked to decltype. :s
 
IT'S A CAT.
 
user142019
I’m going to write my new web app in C.
 
user142019
I’m feeling evil and crazy.
 
1:16 AM
Again?
 
user142019
Jup. :D
 
1:47 AM
0
A: Why is a hard-coded string constant an lvalue?

markshancockAlso look at What are rvalues, lvalues, xvalues, glvalues, and prvalues?

 
Hey. Can anyone tell me how to write a stackoverflow in plain c. I don't need it. Just curious.
 
Xeo
@LuchianGrigore Downvoted, flagged, voted to delete.
Did I forget something?
 
printf("astackoverflow")
 
int foo() {
     return foo();
}
Good chance of that getting tail call optimized though
 
Oh god... there are times I wished I was a mod
 
Xeo
1:57 AM
With the Combined Power Of The Lounge™, you can be!
 
This guy gave a bullshit answer initially and downvoted the other answer (which was correct). He can't even own up to it.
 
I think it did. i just got a segmentation fault 11
 
Xeo
@KerrekSB: Yes there are array rvalues in C++. Alias<int[]>{1,2,3} will create an int[3] rvalue. It's just that string literals are always lvalues. — Xeo 4 mins ago
Sheesh, people need to get their facts right.
 
Or not :) I could personally do without that piece of info :P
 
Xeo
With struct X{ int i[3]; };, X().i is also an array rvalue.
@LuchianGrigore Yeah, but then don't go spreading wrong information. :)
 
2:03 AM
@Xeo well, I don't know it's wrong until someone tells me it's wrong
:)
 
user142019
@Pubby unterminated execution without (observable) side-effects is UB.
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg'-- I thought that the implementation was simply allowed to assume it terminates?
(aka, optimize a for(;;); out)
 
user142019
Oh, didn’t know that. I’ll look that up tomorrow. Sleeping time now.
 
Woohoo, dropbox saving my life.
I'm so glad I stored all my source there. @__@
Awww. Robot isn't here.
I can't ask him if he prefers unsigned for the utf types or signed.
 
2:19 AM
unsigned what
 
Um. The underlying types for the encodings, like utf8 utf16 and utf32
 
Encodings deal with bytes, not numbers, so unsigned
 
Hm. Well, alrighty,.
I'm trying to get a grip on how ogonek does it.
And how to use ogonek in the first place...
Ooh, I think I successfully forked it.
Look at me, all clever and shit~
Erm... wait... was I supposed to fork this...?
@CatPlusPlus Hey, uh. When I create a fork, does it stay in-sync with the main Bitbucket Repo? Or does it just stay separate until I give a Pull Request?
 
It's always separate
 
WRONG!! Lambda is not a function!! — zaufi 2 mins ago
I don't know much about lambdas, could someone check if I am wrong?
 
2:28 AM
Lambdas are a function object.
 
Xeo
A lambda is a function object.
 
OH MY GOD XEO SAID EXACXTLY WHAT I SAID I FEEL SO INTELLIGENT </pride>
 
Xeo
And it has an implicit conversion operator to a function pointer, if it captures nothing.
It doesn't "decay".
 
I thought only 1 implicit conversion was allowed though :S
Which is probably wrong
 
The limit is for user-defined conversions.
 
Xeo
2:30 AM
Also, a std::function is perfectly fine constructible from a lambda, since it's really just a syntactic sugar for a local struct with operator() and some members.
 
So then why does it prefer the function pointer over other overloads?
 
Both sequences are ranked the same, probably.
 
Xeo
@Pubby An implicit-conversion-sequence is "standard conversion, user-defined conversion, standard conversion".
@Pubby Which function pointer overload? :)
 
Closure type to function pointer is UD conversion and closure type to std::function<Sig> is also a UD conversion.
 
Robot said that ogonek wasn't compilable with VS2012...
Probably because it uses C++11 like a regular, smart dev and GCC and MinGW.
 
2:33 AM
Function pointer to bool is a Standard conversion and doesn't have an impact, probably. That's the extent of my knowledge of overload resolution.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Yeah, there are some problems with unicode literals.
 
@Xeo Oh, it is ambiguous with std::function but not with bool
Now I see
 
@Xeo Ah. Well, I want to use this with VC++, so I guess I'll just have to tough it out. Maybe I could add a bunch of #ifdef _MSCVER to his stuff and get some VS2012 compatibility.
 
Xeo
@Pubby Huh? It's ambiguous for (bool) and (std::function<...>) overloads.
 
@Pubby I don't think your answer is very good at either explaining what's happening or how to fix it: what if the lambda expression captures something?
 
2:36 AM
@Xeo I mean a pointer and std::function overload is ambig
 
Xeo
@Pubby Yes, and same goes for bool and std::function, IIRC.
 
@LucDanton I will delete it for now. Any good article to read about lambda types?
 
Xeo
Yeah, Clang agrees atleast.
 
@Pubby Dunno. Most things are trash these days when it comes to C++.
 
Xeo
@Pubby Search for "what is a lambda expression" on SO
 
2:39 AM
Early writings on C++11 were interesting because only people following the standardization (if they weren't involved in it altogether) were on it. Too much noise nowadays.
 
Pretty sure I already know all that, I'm more interested in the conversions and type of the lamda expression
 
Xeo
Note that there's really nothing special about a lambda
 
Except for return type deduction.
 
Xeo
It's a unique, unnamed, non-union class type with an operator() and a conversion to function pointer if the capture-clause is empty.
@LucDanton That was racism against the normal functions by the committee!
 
It is always a "function" class type?
 
Xeo
2:41 AM
@Pubby What?
 
Ooofff... I wish Robot was here. I don't understand half of this stuff. @__@
 
@Xeo I mean it always defines a new class with operator() and stuff?
 
Xeo
Yes.
 
I remember way back when I read that it returned a std::function or something which was confusing
 
Even when identical token for token. Something like [] {}; [] {}; involves two different types.
 
Xeo
2:43 AM
[](){} is roughly struct{ void operator()() const{} } _the_lambda_bla_x_314; and in the place you originally wrote [](){}, you now have _the_lambda_bla_x_314.
 
How come named functions can't deduce the return type? That is really annoying.
 
Xeo
@Pubby Slow adoption of new features to see how they pan out.
There are proposals to fix this, though.
@LucDanton: What would make the answer complete is telling why adding const to one overload makes the other preferred.
 
wtf, no
 
Xeo
That's part of the question, though.
 
"Hey look, more overload resolution rules" "gee thanks, I'll accept that, this has made the world a better place"
 
Xeo
2:46 AM
And it's not touched at all in the answer, AFAICS.
 
0
Q: Why can't initial length be 1 in a dynamically-allocated array?

SduibekLet's say we start out with: int *newArray = new int[1]; And then later have something like: ifstream inputFile("File.txt"); Counter=0; while (inputFile >> newValue) { newArray[Counter] = newValue; Counter++ } If I try to pull 100 lines from the text file, the program will e...

Silly question^
 
Xeo
lol, somebody misunderstood the "dynamic" part there.
 
I hate overload resolution and conversions
 
@Xeo Thanks, I'll watch that in a bit.
 
Xeo
2:49 AM
@LucDanton It's not really much extra, it's part of the implicit conversion sequences on the object argument. A T& argument to a T& parameter is identity conversion, while it's a qualification conversion for a T const& parameter. /cc @Pubby
@Pubby I also recommend the other five parts. And the (Advanced) STL series. :P
Have fun for the next few hours.
 
I think I watched a few of them
 
@Xeo Why do you feel like you need to explain what is happening to me?
 
Xeo
Dunno, to show it's not much that needs to be added? :P
There, now it's also for @Pubby :D
 
You suck.
 
Xeo
You're just jealous of my awesomeness. (Now I start to sound like the puppy.. yuck.)
 
2:53 AM
.... Offffff.
Jesus christ, a million errors when trying to compile with VC++ @___@
 
Xeo
@ThePhD The puppy worked on fixing most of them.
As I said, the only problem left are the unicode literals.
 
Can I fork his fork?
 
Xeo
The robot should've pulled the puppy's fork in already, IIRC.
 
I forked from the main, so unless I'm just doing something wrong,
I'm not sure.
if DeadMG's pull request is still listed in the Pull Request tab,
does that mean it hasn't been fully honored yet?
Or 'pulled in' yet?
 
Xeo
Probably
 
2:59 AM
Ah.
Well then, let's see if I can like.... fork the fork...
 
Born to a large rock in Russia i was raised by an Amish family until i reached my teen years. Then when i heard the music of Rick Asley and Wham I decided that the country life was not for me, so i packed up things and headed to the big city with my pet hamster i called Hans christian anderson.

unfortunately city life proved to be a big change for a country boy like myself and i was eventually became homeless in a matter of weeks. our struggle for food and clothes turned me to pimp my beloved Hans out to middle aged gay couples. things were finally on the up as me and Hans saved our earnin
What a strange profile description!
 
o_O
 
So uh, what's Steam Big Picture? Just noticed that.
 
@LucDanton It's basically full-screen mode for Steam.
If you happen to plug in a controller and your PC into your TV,
 
Xeo
Btw @LucDanton, I'm surprised your condition didn't act up when you saw the void func(std::function<void(void)>) in that question.
@LucDanton Console mode for PC or something.
 
3:04 AM
@Xeo I don't have a condition!
 
it'll work with the controller and you can pretend like you're on a console with your entire Steam Library.
it's also Steam proving it can be used on Consoles (Like a Wii channel or an XBox App or something)
 
Xeo
@LucDanton :) Point still stands.
 
Um. By the way.
Who has to pass an automation course to get a CS degree?
 
The core of it is that I'm not an advocate. I've solved the problem for myself, I don't feel compelled to point out the solution to other when it is unsolicited.
template<typename Functor, typename = decltype(std::declval<Functor>()())> is not something I want to inflict on others if they're not interested in that exact solution.
 
Xeo
Weren't you on a crusade against std::function parameters? Maybe I misunderstodd.
 
3:12 AM
@LucDanton I have a feeling its made to be used on TVs (35+ inches)
 
@Xeo Yeah if I had completed that thing I would have left a comment. Can't say I'm motivated.
Connectivity issues again.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Heh, same for why I only left a comment on the const overload thing - no motivation to write an answer.
 
GRAAAAH
Table-flip. IT RELIES on BOOoosooOooOOOSososttttt.
Whyyyyy why why whyyy.
 
@Xeo No I mean completing the thing. Leaving a link comment is easy.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Because Boost rocks?
Crap. It's already 4:20 in the morning again.
 
3:21 AM
@Xeo but now I have to use boost.
 
Xeo
So? You should already have it.
 
I don't have it at all though.
I don't even know how to begin to use boost.
 
Xeo
It's basically the second stdlib.
@LucDanton Oh, I see.
 
@ThePhD If you're not ready to install dependencies you're not going to be able to fork anything.
 
Ugh.
Doesn't Boost take forever to compile? :c
It's already taking forever to downloooad. ;~;
 
3:24 AM
@ThePhD Download it. Set your compiler so it can find Boost's include directory. For the majority of Boost, that's all you need, because most of it is header-only.
 
@ThePhD If you're not ready to compile dependencies you're not going to be able to do anything.
 
@LucDanton The thing is, if I use ogonek, then I'll probably have to use boost myself. D:
Then it just spirals from there.
I'll be shackled to boost for life.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD What? The archive should be pretty small. What's going to take time is unpacking it.
 
That's a very unhealthy attitude for software development. You're setting yourself for failure.
 
3:26 AM
Boost is compressed pretty impressively at around 75 MB.
 
@ThePhD You aren't shackled to Boost -- you're freed by it.
 
:c
Uggghhhh 6 minutes to unzip.
It's really not that long but Uggghhh Booooost.
q_q
I'm not sure why, but I took a small margin of pride being absolutely Boost-Free.
And also not having to worry about anything license related either. :c
I wonder what Boost's license will tell me to do now...
 
It's the same for any dependency. It's not the norm for a developer to have ready-made binaries, only long established stuff gets that privilege (e.g. something like libpng).
Licenses don't tell you to do anything. You agree to abide by a license.
 
Well, at least Boost's license isn't obnoxious.
 
@ThePhD Boost has about the most liberal license around. Basically, that you can do just about anything you want, as long as you don't try to blame them if it causes a problem.
 
Xeo
3:31 AM
Also, IIRC Boost's license says "do what you want, but no guarantees"
 
Well, my Boost virginity is gone now. I can't claim ignorance of use to Boost.
I'm tainted. ;~;
 
Xeo
Seriously, what the fuck are you whining around for.
 
@LucDanton At least for Windows you can get pre-built binaries of Boost for Boostpro.com.
@Xeo To prove he can.
 
@JerryCoffin For some toolchains, no?
 
@LucDanton Yes -- Microsoft (should also work with Intel, but I haven't tested).
 
3:35 AM
No VC11?
 
Similarly I'm fairly sure I can get some recent versions on my distro but I compile on my own for the -std=c++11 flag.
 
@Rapptz No, not yet. :-( I'll have to talk to Dave and tell him if he doesn't get up to date, we just won't take what he's trying to give away for free!
 
@JerryCoffin VC11 was supposed to come out? o_O
 
VC11 is VS2012
 
So.... the CTP is going to mature and it's going to better than GCC in every way possible and I'm going to cream my pants? :D
 
3:38 AM
Where did you infer that?
 
I don't know. You said 'No VC11?', like there was some big update or something that was going to come out.
I got excited.
 
I meant for the pre-built binaries of boost.
 
Ah.
No there's no VC11, and it only goes up to Boost 1.51, of which boost seems to be on 1.52
 
I'm still on boost 1.49
 
Okay, so.. ... I think Boost is working.
And by default it's on every project on my visual c++ directory include tree ever.
So I can't avoid it now.
On the downside, I've replaced all my includes with DeadMG's includes, and it won't compile fully just yet.
std::initializer_list seems to be the big face-puncher.
 
Xeo
3:43 AM
@ThePhD Atleast variadic templates are coming along nicely it seems! They fixed 10 of the 11 bugs I filed.
 
@Xeo Whoa wait, they actually got back to you?
Mind = Blown.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Well, I filed them via STL, and he told me today.
Also, they normally reply to the bug reports on Connect, if they're reasonable, AFAICS.
 
lol AFAICS.
 
Well, that's great.
Did any of those bugs include how Variadics couldn't be used with Functions?
Because that was the only thing stopping me from using it with std::function and friends.
 
Xeo
Most of them, actually.
 
3:46 AM
WOOHOOO!
Eye-patch man RULES.
 
0
Q: how to use github to update your code percentage

stackoverGitHub can tell you how many percentage of your code, like 90% c++, 10% java. how can i update it? when i first time build project, 100% java, then I update many time, about 50% change to c++, but in github, it always tell that 100% java.

Isn't this off-topic?
 
Xeo
Here's the repro STL submitted to their internal bugtracker.
 
@Rapptz Not really -- topic specifically includes tools that programmers commonly use.
 
... How do you get a hold of this stuff? o_O
 
Xeo
All of them except for REPRO6 have been fixed it seems.
@ThePhD He sent them to me. :P
 
3:48 AM
@JerryCoffin It's a github question though..
Shouldn't that be posted in like, github support or something?
 
@Rapptz Yes, and quite a few programmers use Github.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Might be more for Programmers.SE, since it's not a real programming problem.
 
Ya'll pretend to be regular people but then you're like these super awesome individuals that are super-well connected and fucking world-famous. Christ.
So much pressure to learn fast and stop being a scrub. :c
 
@Rapptz Probably -- but there's undoubtedly at least one other place to ask almost everything that belongs on SO.
 
Seems weird to me.
 
Xeo
3:49 AM
@ThePhD What? It's not like it's hard to get in contact with STL - just mail him, he's cool.
 
@ThePhD Hey, you know me. Ergo, you're well-connected!
 
Xeo
Well, as long as you don't submit bad repros. :>
> No problem, the only people I grumble at are those who send me terrible repros :-> -- STL
 
He makes birdie smiley faces. Sweet.
 
@ThePhD That's a Goatee (or a Van Dyke).
 
... You know, I can't see it that way.
I'll keep trying though.
In the meantime, I have to figure out a way to do initializer_list in VC2012 at its current state.
or just rewrite the parts that use it with something else.
Right now, it's only in the test files
... Oh wait, actually no, it's everywhere.
Initializer lists are mostly syntactic sugar, right?
 

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