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3:00 AM
then what is SFML best for :P
 
2D graphics.
 
user406009
Having a great and simple API for creating 2d games?
 
I think the usual use case is 2D game development.
 
does that include isometric games
 
It's too low level for GUI.
(Although you could make your own GUI lib on top of it)
 
3:02 AM
i cant see how you can make a 2D game with no menu options
im guessing SDL is also too low level
 
I don't have fond memories of SDL
 
SDL is roughly at the same level as SFML.
Although it's made of crap.
 
user406009
@Dave Have you ever played FreeCiv? You could do what they do. Use something like WPF or QT or GTK+ and just have all the "game graphics" in one self-contained widget.
 
QT i believe u have to pay for commercial use
 
that was my squeezing arm.
 
3:04 AM
@Dave Really?
 
yeah
seems like i wasted my time learning SFML >.>
 
@Dave Noty anymore.
 
user406009
@Dave I am fairly sure you can use Qt for free for anything. LGPL or something.
 
The "community" edition used to be GPL. It's LGPL now.
 
user406009
You can also integrate SFML with stuff like Qt if you want. There are tutorials on the sfml site.
 
3:08 AM
n that would be ideal for 2.5D ?
altho i was planning on some 3D =/
or do i just use SFML with openGL
 
user406009
You can use SFML with opengl for 3d, but that will be very low level.
 
what do you mean when you say low level for 3d?
 
user406009
You are going to have to deal with a lot of things like lighting, text and loading 3d meshes on your own.
 
is it not possible to do like SFML + Qt + OpenGL + some 3D library?
 
Don't mix too many shit together
 
user406009
3:13 AM
No real point of SFML then. All of SFML's window and event handling would be dealt with by Qt. All of SFML's rendering would be dealt with by the 3d game engine.
 
it's going to become a mess pretty quickly
 
so i might be better off with Qt + 3D library only
 
user406009
Yeah.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not since 2008 or something.
Oh, it was Januari 2009 actually.
 
guess ill try reproduce my GUI front screen with Qt and see how i get on
 
3:16 AM
I'm all for Qt. Fuck the rest. They are crap anyway.
 
user406009
IIRC Qt actually had a 2d drawing API as well.
 
Dude, of course they do.
 
user406009
I just wish Qt had used something like std::function instead of moc as the basis of their slot and signal system.
 
i might just go for unity
 
Unity will simplify your life immensely
Although I think the scripting is in C#?
 
3:24 AM
ah so it is
ballsack
 
Check though, I think there is more than one language
 
nah its C
 
i think OGRE might be good
 
Meh
 
3:27 AM
doesnt seem to be many highly recommend c++ engines
 
Honestly writing your own game engine is a massive undertaking.
 
i know
i just cant find a good c++ engine is the issue
 
@EtiennedeMartel: is you stream failing too?
 
@Borgleader Nope.
 
what you think of ogre3d.org
 
3:31 AM
@Dave Horrible architecture.
It's a singletonfest in there.
 
:P
 
@Dave Hungarian notation. Bleh.
 
got any to suggest :P ?
 
Unreal.
Especially if you got a few millions lying around.
 
@Dave Most here disagree on that (but I haven't used it enough to really say one way or the other myself).
 
3:33 AM
unreal isn't commercial free is it lol
 
It's royalty free if you make less thant 50k iirc
 
Xeo
@Dave It's ... usable if you're willing to suppress all your knowledge about good design choices etc.
 
i think im starting to see why unity is so popular - c++ seems to lack for game engines
 
C++ is used in AAA game engines
all the time
 
those are not free most likely
 
Xeo
3:34 AM
With internal engines.
Oh, I read that as "in AAA games"
 
But C++ is not a good "scripting" language for SDK engines like UDK/CryEngine/Unity
 
@user782220 Who are you?
 
da feck is Go ?
 
user406009
A new language Google created.
 
its new so clearly it sucks balls
 
3:36 AM
@user782220 Are you seriously trying to troll? Because that's not a good plan around here.
 
@user782220 That is such an overbroad statement, it borderlines on trolling.
 
@Borgleader You're slow. It's not "borderline". A guy rushes in a C++ room and say "Go > C++", it is trolling.
 
hes from the C# room. troll alert
 
Xeo
Flag him
 
My guess? He wants to get trolled back.
 
Xeo
3:37 AM
He spammed the same thing in the C# room
 
Or maybe even flagged and banned.
I guess we should crush his resolve until he's nothing more than a crying bitch.
 
guess you wants a ban around here @user782220 ?
 
woah what's going on?
 
@user782220 No, but trying to claim there's any such admission based on complete lack of evidence sure sounds like trolling...
 
@Mysticial We're trying to get him banned, isn't that obvious?
 
3:39 AM
@Mysticial Our weekly visit from the trolls.
 
its friday night - they always come out on fridays
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Just a troll, nothing to see here, just flag and move along. :)
 
cos they have no friends to go clubbing with and get laid
 
Wait, two messages and you're calling him a troll? Or did I miss an earlier episode?
 
he saying it in other rooms
 
Xeo
3:40 AM
2 mins ago, by Xeo
He spammed the same thing in the C# room
 
ah
 
user1804599
It surprises me that rendering over five hundred thousand textured points is no problem.
 
@Mysticial There are times even a single message is pretty obvious (and his first seems to fall in that category).
 
@Mysticial If you went in the C# room and said "C++ > C#", would you consider that trolling?
 
@JerryCoffin That one message alone wouldn't have triggered my "troll meter".
I'd have ignored it at first.
 
3:42 AM
really ? just joins n says something that silly
 
@Mysticial If it was the only time he'd done such a thing, I probably would too. When he's going from one room to another doing it, that strikes me as pretty obvious trolling.
 
i immediately saw troll in my mind
 
Xeo
@Dave Well, under that perspective, we'd have to flag @Telkitty and @Crowz too. :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel: LOL Tasteless speaking during the commercial
 
Don't flag me, I love you guys ;-;
 
3:44 AM
that be fun lol
 
@Borgleader My AdBlock is very effective.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I have adblock too but i still see the starcraft cinematic thing
 
@Crowz Don't worry, I won't flag you unless you start spewing anti-abortion stuff. Or anti-gay marriage stuff.
 
user1357851
?
 
user1357851
<-
 
3:45 AM
(I'm kidding, I don't flag. I punch.)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Bashing gay marriage? But I want to be married to you :I
 
user1357851
elite trolls keep a public room alive
 
@Crowz Too bad it's not reciprocal. 'Cause I only go out with rainbows.
 
I want to be married to these gentlemen
 
user1357851
I remember a couple of forums/rooms collpased after residential elite trolls like me left. Over serious people are dull. Nobody likes to be with dull people for too long
 
user1357851
3:49 AM
people come here to 1) search knowledge 2) find entertainment
 
1 is not a guarentee in this room how ever
 
user1357851
therefore you need a balance of elite C++ gurus and elite trolls
 
we have lost @Xeo to C# room - the traitor
 
Xeo
Nah
 
'I cun program da C++zz :I public static void main(String args[]) you
 
Xeo
3:53 AM
lol @Mysticial
 
GOOOOOOOOOOO SUPPPPPY
 
@Xeo nani?
 
Xeo
You joining the C# room just to stalk me.
 
user406009
What do they even get if they win?
 
@Xeo fuck you :D
 
3:54 AM
@Lalaland Who?
 
user406009
The Starcraft 2 players in the tournament.
 
@Mysticial You mean this guy? I don't think he's part of the tournament.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel "nani" is japanese for "what"
 
nani is also what in japanese
 
I know.
 
3:55 AM
"professional Protoss player" - I stopped reading right there...
 
It was a SC2 joke. Because there's a SC2 tournament right now, YA KNOW.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Nah, I didn't know. :D
 
@Lalaland First prize: 100,000$.
And probably a bunch of sponsorship contracts.
 
Also they got flown to china, expenses paid by blizzard
if i understood correctly
 
I fucking hope so.
That would have been quite cheap from Blizzard to not do that.
 
3:57 AM
True.dat
 
user1174868
I just watched that entire video
 
user1174868
I just hope the foreigner scene in SC2 doesn't die out, it gets kind of boring when it is all koreans
 
STEPHANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
King of the zerg
 
@Jordan You racist!
 
user1174868
Naniwa King in the North!
 
3:59 AM
I heard Naniwa's a douche irl
 
But, yeah, I'm guessing the top 4 is gonna be all Korean.
 
user1174868
I will admit I have had bad experiences with Koreans but I prefer to be a fan of a player that I can watch the stream of and listen to in english
 
@Jordan What.
 
user1174868
and I despise the idea that koreans are better at SC2 because they are "gaming level asian!!" that shit is atrocious and anyone who believes that should die
 
user1174868
I lived in Korea for a year
 
user1174868
4:00 AM
they can get kind of racist
 
They're better because they play more.
That's it.
 
user1174868
yup
 
user1174868
they have a bigger scene
 
I mean, no one throws a fit when Canada fucks everyone up at hockey.
 
user1174868
there are maybe a couple hundred NA players trying to compete, therea re thousands of koreans
 
user1174868
4:01 AM
What happened to Nony?
 
Didnt he retire?
 
user1174868
I think he is still my favorite player, he taught me to play BW with his awesome videos
 
Or was it jinro?
 
user1174868
I quit following SC2 for a long time because of school, jinro definitely did retire though
 
user1174868
I think it is hard for foreigners to go to korea to practice, they all seem to dislike it after a while except Idra
 
4:04 AM
Ohhh Sen. I haven't seen him play in a while.
 
am i real
 
no you're a figment of my imagination.
 
Can I be a figment of MY imagination?
Which is a figment of its own imagination, etc...
 
imagine-ception
 
Still waiting for Stephano vs Hero
 
4:08 AM
Stephano better win
 
him and scarlett are the foreigners with the best chance of going far
imho
also Xeratul is fucking badass
 
@Crowz The universe is a figment of its own imagination (was my tagline for years on Fidonet and Usenet).
 
GUISE wat if solipsism
 
Stephano vs Hero LIVE on stream 2.
 
4:10 AM
Do you think you can change your personality?
I'm gonna try
URRRRGH
It's not working D:
 
@EtiennedeMartel OMG its apollo and day9 <3<3<3<3<3<3
 
@Crowz Sure. Drink lots of alcohol.
 
Just visiting. See what I can learn
from listening in on the chat
 
we dont chat much of c++ unless questions are asked about it @user1739957
we often talk about ninja cats
 
and even then we dont answer questions often
 
user1804599
4:13 AM
Man. WebGL is fucking awesome.
 
@Dave hmm...I can tell!
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Took me a few hours to create, but it looks good IMO.
 
@Aardvark what planet is it?
 
the moon
 
user1804599
4:14 AM
It is the Moon.
 
user1804599
And the Moon is a moon, not a planet.
 
@Aardvark Look accurate!
 
a few hours from blank ?
 
Im in an astronomy class
 
Someday I'll be a planet...
 
4:15 AM
taken me 2 weeks to make 5 buttons show :P
 
user1357851
and it took you a couple of hours to create, woah, I can find one on the internet in a couple of seconds. GG
 
@Aardvark For a second that looked a bit like the recent solar eclipse from the corner of my eye.
 
user406009
@user1739957 You should watch the interesting C++ conferences. Boostcon in particular is good.
 
you dont learn much getting one off the net =/
 
user1804599
@Dave well, with help of three.js.
 
4:16 AM
@Borgleader Getting loads of lag here.
 
Me too
 
oh thats not a c++ app
thought it was :P
 
@Lalaland You have a link?
 
user1804599
@Mysticial heh. I just added the flare to make it look more outstanding. So you focus on the frontmost body rather than the stars.
 
user1804599
There is text about the moon in a sidebar, but I didn't capture it in the screenshot.
 
user1357851
4:17 AM
I made my twitter avatar in 20 mins:
 
user1357851
 
user1357851
I know it sucks
 
with photoshop ?
 
user1357851
:(
 
user1357851
yeah
 
4:17 AM
could do with some white dots in the background for stars
 
@Lalaland Boostcon is no more. It's now "C++ Now!"
 
user1357851
that would take much longer
 
@JerryCoffin thanks
 
to click 1 px white dots with a mouse takes seconds =/
 
user1357851
coz each star would have to be cropped and pasted separately
 
4:18 AM
@user1739957 Sure.
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Good to know.
 
user1357851
but sometimes images components have shadows in photoshop
 
user1357851
thus to get rid of the shadows would take a while
 
user1357851
otherwise picture would not look too nice
 
Man its a slow night isn't it?
 
4:19 AM
@EtiennedeMartel: Ow my ears
 
@Borgleader Yep, still sound issues.
 
I wanna write a book now
 
@Crowz What kind of book?
 
@user1739957 the kind with words
 
user1804599
I tried 50,000,000 particles but my computer couldn't hold it. The frame rate dropped to under 30 FPS and the loading time was long because the points were randomly generated and that took a very long time.
 
4:20 AM
@Crowz Subject?
 
@user1739957 I'm not sure yet... but I know the characters
 
user1804599
And everything started to lag. :P
 
@Aardvark Were you generating the positions on GPU or CPU&
 
user1804599
@Borgleader CPU, using JavaScript's Math.random function.
 
@Crowz what characters?
 
user1804599
4:21 AM
for _ in [0..50000]
    x = (Math.random() - 0.5) * 5000
    y = (Math.random() - 0.5) * 5000
    z = (Math.random() - 0.5) * 5000
    if Math.sqrt(x * x + y * y + z * z) < 1000
        continue

    particle = new THREE.Vector3(x, y, z)
    particles.vertices.push(particle)
 
@user1739957 the ones in the book hah how i'd make them
 
@Crowz I know. What would they be like?
 
I'm already hearing those protoss tears.
 
user1804599
Wait, - 0.5 makes no sense.
 
user1804599
If Math.random() returns a random float between 0.0 and 1.0, what is the correct way to get a random number between -1.0 and 1.0? 1.0 - Math.random() * 2.0?
 
user1804599
4:25 AM
Or Math.random() * 2.0 - 1.0?
 
(Math.random() - 0.5) * 2.0
 
user406009
@Aardvark Both should be equivalent.
 
user1357851
just expand the formula
 
user1357851
Math.random() * 2.0 - 1.0 = (Math.random() - 0.5) * 2.0
 
user1357851
although I am not sure whether there would be rounding issues
 
user1804599
4:28 AM
TIL: Earlier in Earth's history, the Moon was closer to Earth, and had an apparent visual size greater than that of the Sun.
 
user1804599
@Lalaland thanks.
 
user1357851
maybe sometimes you will get weird things like 1.0000001
 
The advantage of my version is if you decide to change the range (from say 2, 3) you don't have to change the offset, just the multiplier
 
user1804599
@Telkitty doesn't really matter that much; the objects are between 1000 and 8660 units away so you barely see it if they are a few units further.
 
user1357851
1.00001 * 5000 > 5000
 
user1804599
4:30 AM
Not to mention how small they are.
 
user1804599
I want a galaxy on the background, but I cannot find any good pictures. Hmm.
 
@Aardvark If you want to speed this up, eliminate the square root: if (x*x+y*y+z*z)<(1000*1000) continue
 
user1804599
@JerryCoffin of course. :)
 
user1804599
The code is executed only once, so it doesn't really matter. Oh well.
 
@Aardvark Hmm...was I reading it wrong? It looked like a loop executing 50000 times.
 
user1804599
4:33 AM
@JerryCoffin that loop only executes once in the beginning.
 
user1804599
It isn't executed every frame, thank God.
 
@Aardvark Quite a few decent pictures of M101 around.
@Aardvark Ah, I see what you mean. I think I'd still eliminate the square root, though you're right: it probably won't make a huge difference.
 
user1804599
I thought of something like this. Warning: ginormous picture.
 
user406009
Looks sorta ugly compared to other galaxy pictures.
 
@Aardvark That's not a galaxy -- it's a bunch of them (though, admittedly, one is a lot closer than the others).
 
user1804599
4:37 AM
Milky Way y u no render.
 
user1804599
@JerryCoffin :)
 
Speakig of stars, I like the skymaps in Eve Online
theyre gorgeous
 
user406009
 
user1804599
This looks awesome.
 
4:39 AM
@Aardvark I told you there were quite a few of M101 (I'll be that's what this is).
 
@Lalaland pinwheel?
 
user406009
Hubble has a bunch more in decent resolution: hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire/hires/true
 
user406009
@Mysticial That was Jerry's idea of M101.
 
I guess right.
I don't know it by M101 though.
 
Stephano's giving me nerd boner right now.
 
4:42 AM
Fair number of decent shots of M31 as well, though it's more edge-on than 101.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
With a 7.6MB picture of the Milky Way. :)
 
user1357851
I am sorry but this looks like some amateur cope and pasted moon :p
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Stupid Imgur. Wait. I'll just host and link to it.
 
4:44 AM
Personally, I like M20 a lot (shows up quite nicely even in my small scope) but it's actually a nebula in the Milky Way, not a galaxy in its own right.
 
tinypic is good
 
user1357851
 
user1357851
sure you can put 50000 stars in the background
 
user1357851
although you might have to measure moons position first
 
Gonna be a few years before I'll get a chance to see either a total solar or lunar eclipse... :(
 
4:48 AM
unless you travel ?
 
@Mysticial I did tell you to get the SR-71 fueled up, but you just wouldn't listen, would you?
 
hehe
 
user1804599
It may take a while to load the Milky Way background, but here it is: dl.dropbox.com/u/92981617/Galaxy/index.html.
 
user1357851
you can see the total eclipse ... on the internet
 
STEPHANOOO
 
user1804599
4:49 AM
Ronaldo?
 
I got to see Venus though. So I can't really complain.
 
GG
Stephano <3
 
user1804599
I see the Earth every day.
 
user1357851
lol would be cool if the moon moves closer and closer
 
@Aardvark That must be pretty cool. I only get to see a little, bitty piece of it most days.
 
user1357851
4:51 AM
crash
 
user1357851
Does look awesome
 
user1804599
@Telkitty no, that would not be "cool".
 
user1357851
if it does not uses so much memory
 
user1804599
That would be completely uncool.
 
user406009
Does not seem to work on my computer. Suggested browser?
 
user1357851
4:53 AM
and with a better moon
 
user1357851
would be nice to have it as background
 
user1804599
@Lalaland Chrome or Safari should do. What browser do you use?
 
user406009
I am using Chrome.
 
user1357851
:D
 
user1804599
You must enable WebGL in Chrome.
 
4:54 AM
I'm kinda wondering. Is it possible to create a star-planet-moon system where there is a permanent solar eclipse on one spot of the planet.
You'd place the moon at the star-planet L1. And put the planet into tidal-locking with the star.
But L1 isn't stable.
 
user406009
My bad, it turns out there was a little icon next to the url to enable "loading insecure content". I guess Chrome did not like an https page with non https sources.
 
user1804599
You can enable WebGL on about:flags.
 
user1804599
Oh okay.
 
user406009
Congratulations, it is a very nice demo.
 
user1804599
Thanks. :P
 
user1804599
4:58 AM
I want to expand it with other planets, stars and maybe nebulae.
 

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