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Xeo
9:00 PM
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Why do I always click on bin messages? I don't know what I'm expecting.
 
lol
 
sbi
@Pubby Expect rubbish.
 
searching for "dwarf" brings up "dwarffortress" and "elfutils"
is the DWARF/ELF thing intentional ?
 
You know what? To heck with this. You don't get to make you own validation policy. That makes life so easier for me.
@kbok You have to ask?
 
9:05 PM
hmm
yeah, sorry.
 
user1804599
@kbok yes.
 
user1804599
> The name is a medieval fantasy complement to "ELF" that has no official meaning, although the backronym 'Debugging With Attributed Record Formats' was later proposed.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes when would you need your own validation policy anyway?
 
Ah, it's official then :) All right.
 
hmm..anyone know how I can tell excel to use one column as the labels for the graph?
 
9:07 PM
@Ell When the existing ones don't fit. I don't have an answer for the next question.
 
Ell
and you could implement it in v2 when people request it, if they do at all
 
N is supposed to be the labels for the graph's X axis :/ i.e. 5, 6, ..., 30
how do I make it do that :p
 
@kbok for each Vn, calculate AngleN-Anglei. The smallest one greater than zero is your answer.
I haven't the foggiest idea why people are talking about the dot product or trig, the problem isn't NEARLY that complicated.
 
9:16 PM
@MooingDuck How do you calculate the angles?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, right. I assumed he had that info already. If he doesn't then he needs trig.
 
Xeo
Hm. Is there any proposal skeleton for core language features? Or should I just use the "call for library proposals" one?
 
I don't know why I assumed that. Silly in hindsight
 
@MooingDuck I wanted to know if there was a way to not use trigonometry
 
@Xeo What are you going to do?
 
9:17 PM
@kbok if you have angles, yes. If not, no.
 
Doing a dot product is like 10x easier
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Write up a proposal for a core language feature? :P
 
@kbok dot product is easier than subtraction?
 
I'm pretty sure scalar + vector product would sort it out
@MooingDuck Working out the angles is annoying
 
Xeo
9:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's for relaxing the rules of automatic moves.
 
Meh, boring.
Go ahead.
 
Xeo
lol
 
With the 360 module and shit
 
Xeo
I have another one in mind, but that one is a bit more involved and includes new syntax.
 
@kbok as I said, if you don't have the angles already, don't use my suggestion.
 
9:19 PM
Oh, right
 
you could do it with normalization, but it would be silly and slow.
 
dot product id not what I want, I need a vector product
I mean cross product, sorry for the literal translation :p
 
Xeo
A cross product produces a new vector.. is that really what you need?
 
and the winner is the one with the smallest positive value of z
wow, it's so simple actually. you guys suck :p
 
@Xeo It is the one that can tell clockwise and counter-clockwise apart.
@kbok After normalization, right?
 
9:26 PM
@Xeo You can use the normal component as a score. The score is negative for clockwise, positive for counterclockwise. The norm follows the angle.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh yeah, I shouldn't forget about that
Somehow I assumed the lengths were equal but they are obviously not
I should be able to get away from this without normalizing. I have an evil idea
 
evening all
 
Hello friend
 
does std::swap use the swap member under any situations?
 
If you specialize it then it does
 
9:32 PM
bah
checked the spec, it doesn't appear able to handle copiable-but-not-movable types either.
(except arrays)
 
@MooingDuck Woah, that's weird.
Oh, you mean where move degenerates to copy?
 
"Requires: Type T shall be MoveConstructible (Table 20) and MoveAssignable (Table 22)."
 
@MooingDuck Yes? All CopyConstructible and CopyAssignable types are MoveConstructible and MoveAssignable, respectively. (by definition)
 
actually, the requirements of MoveConstructable allows types that are copiable-but-not-movable, so nevermind
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck moves fall back on copy if not available.
 
Ell
9:35 PM
I wonder how Wide is coming.
 
@Ell right there next to cold fusion
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The puppy is a lazy slob that spends time writing stuff intended for noobs.
 
you have a puppy that writes :O
oh lord don't start with cold fusion nonsense :P
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Hey, cold fusion does happen!
 
9:37 PM
Yeah. Just add salt to ice.
 
lol ! ^
 
Ell
cold fusion has convincing evidence apparently
 
thats not fusion
 
Ell
sorry, low energy nuclear reactions
 
salt and ice is not nuclear
 
9:38 PM
:"Molten" redirects here. For the Japanese company, see Molten Corporation; or see Molton or Moulton. Melting, or fusion, is a physical process that results in the phase transition of a substance from a solid to a liquid. The internal energy of a substance is increased, typically by the application of heat or pressure, resulting in a rise of its temperature to the melting point, at which the rigid ordering of molecular entities in the solid breaks down to a less-ordered state and the solid liquefies. An object that has melted completely is molten, though nowadays this often refers to melt...
 
fusion is word of somethings that fuse together. "cold fusion" is a quack idea which is totally different.
 
Ell
I know that melting isn't fusion :P
 
@Dave It's also a physical process that results in the phase transition of a substance from a solid to a liquid.
 
Ell
I was just saying that LENR have convincing reactions
 
hot fusion how ever is entirely real
@R.MartinhoFernandes everything fusion is not lol
 
9:39 PM
fusion is hot
 
Xeo
@Dave It's fusion under low temperature, so I don't see how "cold fusion" is not appropriate.
 
because you dont know what fusion does evidently
 
@Dave You seem to be talking about something else.
In nuclear physics, nuclear fusion is a nuclear reaction in which two or more atomic nuclei join together, or "fuse", to form a single heavier nucleus. During this process, matter is not conserved because some of the mass of the fusing nuclei is converted to energy which is released. Fusion is the process that powers active stars. The fusion of two nuclei with lower masses than iron (which, along with nickel, has the largest binding energy per nucleon) generally releases energy, while the fusion of nuclei heavier than iron absorbs energy. The opposite is true for the reverse process, n...
Note the qualification.
 
yes the atomic nuclei... everything ice & salt does not do lol
 
Ice with salt does melt. While it's freaking cold.
 
9:41 PM
i study this in university :P
that doesn't make it a nuclear fusion reactor.
 
stop being silly.
 
Xeo
... It was a fucking joke.
 
It's still fusion.
 
so its not the SAME thing
no it isn't
 
9:41 PM
Who said it's the same thing?
 
R. Martinho Fernandes
It's still fusion.
 
you did.
 
ice metling from salt is not a fusion process.
 
Xeo
9:42 PM
Y'know, there are words with multiple meanings in English.
 
exactly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes is confusing the two greatly.
 
Xeo
@Dave I'm talking to you.
 
no. we were talking about hot and cold fusion not a ice and salt experiment.
 
Who's "we"?
 
Xeo
9:43 PM
I think you're totally missing the point.
 
if you read the conversation properly
@MooingDuck started the conversation off with cold fusion
that meant it was talking about nuclear reactions. not what ever you are on about
 
@Dave Dave, everyone in the room says you're wrong. You misunderstood. RMartinho was talking about cold nonnuclear fusion. Everything he said was right.
 
yes but you were on about nuclear.
 
Xeo
@Dave The salt&ice thing was a joke / play on "cold fusion".
 
@Dave so? He wasn't.
 
9:44 PM
well i thought he was just ignorant.
 
Xeo
It's (non-nuclear) fusion with cold stuff (ice)
 
yes as i said 3 times.
i dont want people thinking cold fusion is possible. because of ice and salt lol
make sure people don't get led down the wrong road
 
Ell
A form of cold fusion is possible IIRC
 
Don't worry, he's a punbot.
 
9:45 PM
no @Ell it isn't
only quack scientists try to along with perpetual motion
 
@Dave I take that back, I forgot that Ell believes in cold nuclear fusion
 
> A "legal note" posted on the hotel's website states that guests book there "at their own risk and will not hold the hotel liable for food poisoning, mental breakdowns, terminal illness, lost limbs, radiation poisoning, certain diseases associated with the 18th century, plague, etcetera."
 
@MooingDuck sadly quite a few people do lol
 
Xeo
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Q: What are the challenges to achieving cold fusion?

ChimeraI am an absolute neophyte regarding physics. What are the challenges to achieving cold fusion? I'm not sure this is a duplicate of Why is cold fusion considered bogus?, because that question is talking largely about the validity of some claims of cold fusion being realized. This question is spec...

 
i'm awaiting the ECAT link
 
Xeo
9:47 PM
I'll just leave this here. :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel fun
 
thankfully attempting cold fusion won't result in a big explosion if they fail and most of the scientists trying failed basic physics so their careers will get no where
 
However 25 euros is quite expensive compared to youth hostels
 
Ell
well I don't necessarily believe in cold fusion - I keep an open mind about it
but then again my standard of scientific education isn't enough so
 
i can tell you how ever hot fusion is already done by humans. and in next 20 years might have our first fusion plant
 
9:51 PM
@Xeo What was that brought up for? :-)
 
Xeo
@Chimera Read the log. :P
 
assuming it does as we hope but its a guess
 
Xeo
16 mins ago, by Ell
I wonder how Wide is coming.
Starting here. ^ @MooingDuck
 
if we can get a working hot fusion plant we will have pretty much unlimited power
 
Ell
there is one being built in france isn't there?
 
9:52 PM
yes
ITER
 
Ell
and we already have unlimited power, it's just about cost etc.
 
Xeo
@Ell Which is a Win-Win.
 
Ell
haha
 
Xeo
We either get unlimited power or France will be gone.
 
@Ell what would that be ?
 
9:53 PM
@Xeo Win-win indeed.
 
@Xeo win win :P
LOL
 
En mathématiques, le groupe de Tits {}^2\!F_4(2)'\, est un groupe simple fini d'ordre  = 211 · 33 · 52 · 13 nommé en l'honneur du mathématicien Jacques Tits. C'est le sous-groupe dérivé du groupe Ree {}^2\!F_4(2)\,. À strictement parler, le groupe de Tits lui-même n'est pas un groupe de type de Lie et en fait, il a été quelquefois considéré comme un groupe sporadique. Le groupe de Tits peut être défini en termes de générateurs et de relations par : \,, où [a,b]=aba^{-1}b^{-1} est le commutateur. Son multiplicateur de Schur est trivial. Son gro...
WELL, WELL.
 
Xeo
o_ô
 
@Xeo I started a holy war with that question.
 
tits group :P
 
Xeo
9:55 PM
In mathematics, the Tits group 2F4(2)′ is a finite simple group of order 17971200 = 211 · 33 · 52 · 13 found by . The Ree groups 2F4(22n+1) were constructed by , who showed that they are simple if n ≥ 1. The first member of this series 2F4(2) is not simple. It was studied by who showed that its derived subgroup 2F4(2)′ of index 2 was a new simple group. The group 2F4(2) is a group of Lie type and has a BN pair, but the Tits group itself does not have a BN pair. Properties The Schur multiplier of the Tits group is trivial and its ou...
 
@Chimera What, you mean the French bashing? Nah.
@Xeo That's how they translated it? Damn.
 
You need cmath to sqrt(), right ?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Um what?
 
So that's not that much of a c header
 
ITER (originally an acronym of International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) is an international nuclear fusion research and engineering project, which is currently building the world's largest and most advanced experimental tokamak nuclear fusion reactor at the Cadarache facility in the south of France. The ITER project aims to make the long-awaited transition from experimental studies of plasma physics to full-scale electricity-producing fusion power plants. The project is funded and run by seven member entities — the European Union (EU), India, Japan, China, Russia, South Kore...
 
9:56 PM
*iter
 
Xeo
@kbok Uninitialized, goes BOOM
 
:)
 
@Dave That point seems debatable.
 
which point
 
@Dave The one my question links to.
 
9:58 PM
what question :S
 
> thankfully attempting cold fusion won't result in a big explosion if they fail and most of the scientists trying failed basic physics so their careers will get no where
 
whats your reasoning for debatable on that?
 

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