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3:02 PM
I must have missed that part
 
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easy enough to rewrite this: <fb:login-button
registration-url="https://developers.facebook.com/docs/plugins/registration" />
 
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for log in
 
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because eventually a user has to log in
 
@kbok Sweet
 
Maybe it's an opportunity to invest in new hardware and sell software tooling to support that kind of things and make money
^ This is really awesome, I promise
 
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3:13 PM
nokia/window phone map sux
 
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led me around the block this morning
 
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for whole 20 mins
 
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point me to the wrong location
 
@Pubby troll harder
 
@kbok Very smart move by Intel.
 
3:18 PM
@kbok its like a PC with 50 cores and 8 gb extra fast memory, awesome
 
@Ivan0x32 ATM, it's just coprocessor.
But yeah, Xeon Phi seems to be the future for x86, and possibly for desktops (I'm not really for ARM, eh).
 
Why 50? Why not 32 or 64?
 
I know, i mean it's programming model similiar to PC with 50 processor cores, you can make them do 50 diffrent tasks simultaniously.
 
@Griwes Nah.
some tasks are better done on a strong OOO core
 
@sehe I will bump my trolling up to a 6.8 on the mohs scale
 
3:20 PM
and the existing GPU models are there for a reason.
 
@Griwes er, why?
 
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@Pubby multithread your trolling
 
@DeadMG OOO core?
 
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for faster results
 
I'm sure the future of x86 is something that either breaks existing applications, or makes them perform like crap
@thecoshman out-of-order execution
 
3:21 PM
ah
 
@thecoshman Out of order.
 
... do I make a 'is it broken' joke?
 
user1357851
I would assume backyard compatibility
 
If you like :)
but you won't be the first to do so
 
@jalf Because we won't get much more from single- or not-that-much-multicore CPUs? :D
 
3:23 PM
@thecoshman impossibru
 
@Griwes and that's a reason to wreck what we do have from them?
 
fine, <kicks stones> I'll leave the puns alone
 
@jalf Wait, what.
I'm not sure I'm following your way of thinking.
 
@kbok Spectacular
 
I'm actually more impressed by the whole of London in 3D, but hey.
 
3:30 PM
I would be more impressed if that was modelled automatically just from the photo/videos of the location.
 
@kbok London has been in 3D for aeons.
 
whilst not a new idea, I do really love the idea of just moving a video camera around an object, and having it automatically converted in to a 3D model
 
user1357851
didn't google have 3d map a while ago or am I imagining things again
 
@Telkitty yeah, for three years or something like that
 
user1357851
I love it how initially the building would look like something out of CS2
 
3:35 PM
@thecoshman It is
@KerrekSB How and where ?
 
user1357851
then settle into real building
 
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Do you think those companies reinvent the wheel or they all have the same image base which they work around with?
 
@kbok meh :P
@kbok he might be making a crude joke about the fact that physically exists
 
@Griwes The number of cores (and threads) has been growing fairly steadily for a while now. It's also geometric growth -- every process generation (at least potentially) makes room for roughly twice as many cores. As such, Intel's current 4 core/8 thread situation will probably grow to 8 cores/16 threads and then to 16 cores/32 threads in a few more generations.
 
good morning sirs
 
3:40 PM
@thecoshman They have google-like camera cars with infrared captors and shit (like what the kinect captor does) and they are 3d-mapping the whole friggin' world
 
@kbok I don't know... ever since people started building multi-storey buildings?
I can't walk five minutes without running into something with depth.
 
@KerrekSB Even single-story buildings are 3D...
 
@JerryCoffin Hm, OK. I must have been thinking of Michael Bay films then.
 
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Really cool
 
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but they probably used some interpolation
 
3:43 PM
@kbok oh right. I like Google's crowd sourcing approach using Arial footage
 
Nokia's mapping if of way better quality
 
@KerrekSB Perhaps -- I don't seem to recall critics exclaiming over his characters having a lot of depth. :-)
 
well, Google's crowd sourcing resulted in actual proper 3D models, with straight edges and everything!
 
@KerrekSB You may want to buy a pair of glasses then
 
@kbok how is victory chat hacking going?
 
3:45 PM
@thecoshman Just look at the map, it's cool, I promise :)
@thecoshman There's a slowness bug I have to take care of
 
@kbok I did, it's like a jelly model
 
@thecoshman You internet connection may be too slow then
 
@kbok if he's that bad a cane may be more apt
@kbok it loads eventually, I just don't rate the quality that much
have you seen Google's 3D?
 
@Griwes the thinking is that we are talking about a CPU with vastly lower single-core performance. :)
The "future" of x86 is something that maintains (or slowly improves) single-core performance while also adding more cores
 
@jalf that or the bin
 
3:48 PM
@thecoshman Come on, you can see the handrails on the balconies ?? come on
 
@kbok link me again... I'll zoom in this time
 
Why can't I do this while ((line = file.readline())): in Python and then do stuff with each line in the while loop?
I don't want to write while(True): line = file.readline() each time
seems silly
 
@TonyTheLion isn't the a redundant set or braces?
also, what does 'readline()' return when there are no more lines?
 
@thecoshman well, it doesn't seem to like it, even without that redundant set of braces
 
3:53 PM
@kbok yeah, that's a nice street view alright :P
 
Are you sure you're getting the same quality as me ?
 
looks pretty good to me
 
They all are like "meh nothing special" or "just a glorified street view"
 
they've got 3d coverage of my university. Pretty sure Google doesn't have that
pretty detailed too
If the phone thing doesn't work out for nokia, they should at least be able to sell their map data for a few bucks :D
 
@thecoshman Oh, wait, don't go to the suburbs, you have to look at the City. It's much better.
I can't link to that place unfortunately :(
 
4:09 PM
@kbok welcome to a forum more or less just for you, the only meta dev
 
> You are not authorised to read this forum.
less more and more less for me isn't it
 
@kbok huh... are you not a dev on the forum?
@kbok :P
 
I think so
> Username:kbok Rank:Developer
 
yeah you are... what did I cock up then :P
no cock up
twat up
fuck up
get wrong
 
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Oo
 
4:14 PM
But I handle chat-related inquiries on the chat card and its board
 
@kbok a) that one card is not a nice way to deal with things b) a board is a pain to also have to manage on top of things, though is good for you to keep track of what you are working on. Trello is not nice for discussing things
 
Ell
Anybody want to help me write a game? :3
 
@kbok try again
 
@thecoshman Given the amount of activity I thought one card would be enough :p But I don't mind having a subforum for that
 
@kbok I figure other meta dev can go there as well, say if we set up a site as well
it's also nice to separate it from the redtape stuff
@Ell my advice to you, just start making the game. Don't try to get a team. As you make it, let people know what you are up to (in a non annoying way) if they offer any help, let them. If they actually help out, take it, if they don't, don't be surprised.
 
Ell
4:20 PM
okay I guess. It's so very difficult to get momentum :L I really don't know where to start. I've started the same game a few times, it's trying to do so many things at once which is difficult :o
 
@Ell It takes a lot of street cred to build a team :) Just write code, post screenshots, and maybe people will lend a hand.
 
any way, home time for me
 
@thecoshman I've opened a thread for the chat system
 
see y'ah maties!
 
I warn you, the loading takes 20 seconds. Don't know why. Gonna see it tonight.
 
Ell
4:22 PM
okay :P I was hoping to gather a team of newbs and then we can all progress to not-noobs by the end of it. But why I looked for newbs here I don't know :P
 
@Ell Speaking from experience, I can tell you you don't want a team of noobs. They will become a liability. Work alone.
 
Ell
really?
 
Really.
In 80% of cases you're better off working alone.
 
Ell
I think I'm going for ogre & mingw
 
You'll be able to build a good team when you have exceptional software development management experience
@Ell Why ?
 
Ell
4:26 PM
@kbok ughh I can't get anything to work :L
ogre & mingw, ogre & vs
I can get irrlicht and vs actually
 
Do you have a linux box ?
linux development environments are way easier to set up for newbies
 
Ell
Yeah linux is so much easier >.<
I have a dual boot, but the new mint has just come out so I think I'll dl that and install ogre
 
I'm serious
 
Windows is the easiest
 
Ell
No I know, for me linux is preferable, it's just this computer is shared
 
4:28 PM
it's just that mingw sucks
and so does cygwin
use VS like real Windows developers
 
MinGW sucks less than MSVC
 
@kbok Some of those number images remind me of supergate from SG-1.
 
Using OSS libraries with MSVC is harder than in a linux distrib
@Griwes Oh yeah :) me too
 
Ell
gahh I don't know if I've built boost for vs or mingw, I might have to start the whole thing again
 
most OSS libraries aren't worth using
 
4:30 PM
@DeadMG le this
 
@DeadMG Define "most".
Because that's quite the blanket statement you got there.
 
nah
Sturgeon's Law applies
it's just that in commercial software, the shit tends to go bankrupt and in FOSS it doesn't.
 
Ell
sturgeon's law?
 
90% of everything is shit
 
Gamedev is a minefield for newbs
There's so many crappy frameworks, crappy TPLs, crappy books, crappy tutorials, crappy blogs.
 
4:34 PM
100% of gamedev is shit
 
Crappy companies, crappy languages, crappy programmers, crappy code.
@Pubby My game's code is excellent ofc
 
ouch... modulo math to check for oddness? return (x & 0x1)? The whole oddness business could be eliminated by simply SKIPPING all even numbers. e.g. i=i+2, instead of i++ — Marc B 1 min ago
 
Ell
I think I'll just use Irrlicht
 
^100k user
 
Ell
@LuchianGrigore what's wrong with that? o.O
 
4:36 PM
@Ell preferring (x & 0x1) over x%2? Really?
 
@DeadMG 90% of that phase was shit
 
@LuchianGrigore He read that in the code and he's saying that's a bad idea. Re read the comment. :)
 
Ell
@LuchianGrigore ohh. I thought you meant doing i+=2 was bad
 
@kbok No, the code has x%2==0.
 
See the question mark ?
Well, he didn't read the code and thought it was the way it was implemented.
> The whole oddness business could be eliminated by simply SKIPPING all even numbers. e.g. i=i+2, instead of i++
 
4:38 PM
That part is good.
The part where he's saying "modulo math to check for oddness?" and suggesting the & trick is crap.
 
I think he has read "the first to test the number if it's odd", thought "return (x & 0x1)" (didn't read the code), so he said it's a crap idea.
He never suggested that
If I say, "ouch, stab yourself in the balls ?", do I sound like I suggest you do it ?
 
Seemed to me like he did. I might be wrong.
Ah, I get it now.
 
This pattern is always stupid: if (condition) return true; else return false; It's not safe enough, and it really should be: if (condition == true) { return condition ? true : false; } else { return condition && false; }. (This is is sometimes called the "safer bool" idiom.) — Kerrek SB 5 mins ago
hahaha
 
I hate getting Tumbleweed
 
Ell
Tumbleweed?
 
4:45 PM
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Q: Audio and keyboard skips after Chrome CPU usage spike

DriseFor the last few months, I have noticed when playing audio, it will occasionally skip. I've tried using different websites, such as Pandora (flash) or Google Play Music (HTML5). I've tried using the Pandora desktop app as well. Regardless, my audio skips. I've also noticed that when this happens,...

 
Ell
Ohhh
 
> funciton
funkytown ?
 
*Student approaches math professor after class*
Student: "Try this one.. Two cars starting at a distance of 100 miles are both moving 50 miles per hour on a collision course. A fly starting from the windshield of one, moves 100 miles per hour until it hits the windshield of the opposite car then turns and returns to the first car back and forth until the cars hit. How far does the fly travel?"
*Professor thinks for a brief moment*
Professor: "100 miles"
Student: "Ah, I see you've heard that one before.. most people try to calculate the sums of the flights the fly makes at each turn"
 
I guy I know always had a poor understanding of modern C++ features. He started watching STL's videos, and he just came to me talking about weak_ptr. He's growing up. Brings a tear to my eye.
 
@Neil So the math profs makes the full calculus in his head so that's funny ?
 
4:48 PM
@kbok Kind of a math geek joke
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm proud of you.
 
@kbok That damn missing s.
 
@Neil The problem is hard enough to get, that makes the joke less funny
 
@Neil Urgh, miles? Really? I can't wait for those remaining three countries to switch to the metric system.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Me too. I'm tired of the stupid English units.
 
4:52 PM
Did you know Sonic character Miles Prower is an homonym of Miles per Hour
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't mean to offe.. MILES MILES MILES INCHES MILES GALLON!
 
When people talk about lengths in feet I picture some guy in a suit actually measuring with his foot.
 
@kbok In fact, if you have the right (or approximately close) shoe size, it actually works.
 
It's not a coincidence. It was supposedly the length of King Henry's foot
 
@Neil I still use pints and ounces for beer measurements.
 
4:56 PM
And yes, the measurements would change every time a new queen or king came to power
 
> Countdown to Black Friday | Jewelry Deals
 
Oh really, a foot is the length of a foot ? OO
 
Thank you amazon. I really needed to know about jewelry.
 
the current foot happens to be the last time that was done, which was king Henry
 
Did you know that your inch is approximately one inch wide ?
 
4:57 PM
@kbok Yeah.. a yard was supposedly the distance from fingers tips to finger tips with a king's arms extended to his sides
Not sure how they measured inch
 
> So in other words, the JFrame mainFrame is really dumb. It is too dumb to know about 3 panels. All it knows about is one panel, currentPanel.
Oh thank you random group project member, that was extremely informative.
 
> [In] France Nutella is venerated as a kind of nutritious, healthy unguent that must daily be spread on childrens’ toasted ‘tartines’ to keep them healthy and full of vitamins. No amount of common sense will shake parents out of this belief.
Told ya these guys were nuts.
 
Ell
hilarious -.-
 
I blame the ads
 
@EtiennedeMartel Same is true in Italy
Then, we Americans eat way too much peanut butter to not be hypocritical here
 
Ell
4:58 PM
Agghh god the libpng site is horrible :P
 
 
@Neil Peanut butter? You mean real peanut butter, with that layer of oil on top you have to mix with? Or that weird Kraft thing which is called "peanut butter" but actually looks like tar mixed with nuts.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Something inbetween I think
 
@EtiennedeMartel Jif :p
 
Now Jiftella.. that would be something
 
5:05 PM
I want some Ellella made ouf of Ell
 
@Pubby It's overrated.
 
Nutella is so fucking expensive
 
I also want some grape Elly
 
I feel like I have to give part of my left nut to buy a bottle.
 
Why do you think they call it _nut_ella?
 
5:09 PM
@Pubby Because there are hazelnuts in it.
 
Ell
Irrlicht feels so unsanitary :/
 
(Yes, I just killed your joke. Bang bang.)
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@Pubby Because they don't want to conflict with variables named nut_ella
 
It wasn't much of a joke to begin with
 
Ell
ughh I feel like writing everything myself would be much prettier :P
 
Xeo
5:29 PM
In C++11, SFINAE rules has been modified a little bit, due to which SFINAE will not trigger on return type. In short, this answer is wrong. — Nawaz 53 mins ago
Bullshit or bullshit?
 
The latter.
 
No, this is true
Ah, crap
 
> <TinoDidriksen> It does look like a decent tutorial, but the navigation is awful.
 
Damn, this formatting kills me.
 
5:31 PM
I just read this:
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Q: "What happened to my SFINAE" redux: conditional template class members?

HostileForkI'm new to writing template metaprogramming code (vs. just reading it). So I'm running afoul of some noob issues. One of which is pretty well summarized by this non-SO post called "What happened to my SFINAE?", which I will C++11-ize as this: (Note: I gave the methods different names only to h...

 
@DeadMG, that quote I pasted above is about yours tutorial.
 
@Xeo It is bullshit, isn't it?
 
Xeo
@Praetorian See my comment on the answer. :)
 
@Griwes Yeah, I figured that.
but unless <random internet dudes> wants to make some suggestions, I'm filing under "Don't care."
 
@DeadMG I tried to make sense out of the formatting there.
@DeadMG, I think that for guys at ##C++ @ Freenode, you are similarly random.
 
5:33 PM
which is fine.
 
And that is a fact, the navigation is awful. At least add some "Prev / Next" or "Up" links.
 
there are prev/next links
at least, for most of them.
 
Oh, my bad.
 
The nav sucks indeed
 
5:34 PM
But in sucking form, anyway.
 
Who needs so much navigation for a bunch of text anyway
 
well, it's a lot better than it was
anyway, feel free to suggest something better if you like.
 
@DeadMG Having a title would really help
 
oops
 
@kbok Text is abstract anyway.
 
5:37 PM
What
 
Just a reference to some weirdness from yesterday. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=6224571#6224571
 
Hmm, for instance, floating table of contents on the left. In the chapters as well, not only in section index.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whoa.
 
@Griwes Initially I planned to put related links on the left. But it turns out that most chapters simply don't have any. I might put those on the right instead (for those that have them).
 
I mean, table of contents, not "related" links. In case someone wants to quickly jump to one of previous chapters, for example.
 
no, I mean, related links
like if you see the preparation->C++11 tut, there's a link to the Standard
 
5:41 PM
But I mean... :P
 
Ell
I think I will make my map format just a .tar file
 
@Ell make it a zip
more interop
tar is for unix dinosaurs
 
Ell
really? o.O
 
Yep. Surprising isn't it ?
 
@Ell tar apperently is short for "tape archive"
 
Ell
5:44 PM
wow :P
It was the first archive filetype that came to mind
maybe I'll 7z it
 
The problem with tar is that you have to read the archive sequencially, e.g. you can't modify files in-place, accessing files by name is very slow on big archives, etc. It's designed for magnetic tapes after all.
 
Ell
yeah
 
Xeo
A tar is just all the stuff in one long strip, isn't it?
 
@Xeo ish
 
7z is OK but there's a proliferation of zip implementations out there and you have built-in support in file explorers, so that sounds like the easy way
 
Xeo
5:46 PM
That's why you normally also gzip or bzip2 it
And get a .tar.gz or .tar.bz2
 
For example many game archives are actually zip files with a ton of png and mp3 files in it
Only they changed the extension
 
Something about tar: roflcopter.pl/5736
 
JAR is this as well, DOCX also
> Jeśli rozumiesz nasze cytaty, to pewnie nie masz przyjaciół :P
:P
 
Ell
well I would rather the user didn't go in and change the map once it's downloaded. Because obviously I will have a user base greater than 0.
 
hahahaha przyjaciół very funny
 
Xeo
5:48 PM
@kbok Rainmeter also does this for themes.
 
@kbok uh? I think I don't get the joke ;d
 
@Ell Don't inflict pain on yourself just because you want to make something harder for the user
@Griwes I'm just acting like I understand what it means
 
@Ell so add a checksum or md5 or something
 
Ell
I guess
 
@kbok "If you understand our quotes, you probably have no friends :P"
 
5:50 PM
@Griwes Oh, that's actually funny lol
 
though personally I wouldn't bother. If someone wants to edit it, (A) that's their problem (B) I'd be interested in seeing what they do.
 
przyjaciół is "probably" ?
 
Xeo
Inhibiting the potential modding community isn't that great of an idea.
Depending on the game type, of course.
 
Ell
@Xeo well I was thinking more of them breaking something as opposed to preventing cheating/modding/etc.
 
@Xeo Damn the Creative Assembly for that.
 
Xeo
5:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
@kbok przyjaciół is "friends".
 
@Ell You can't prevent users from breaking something.
 
@Ell if they want to break, let them break
 
Ell
fair enough
 
@Ell If the user wants to break his install it's his problem. He can download again in the worst case.
 
Xeo
5:52 PM
The problem is a different one for online games, obviously
 
@Griwes oh
 
Xeo
You don't want your users to change a map file to remove collision information so he can walk through walls.
 
@kbok Actually, genitive case of it.
Had to Google to find out how that form is called, eh.
 
Ell
@Xeo yeah that's what I was thinking as well. Although my game won't really have collision problems
 
@Xeo in single player, if he can figure that out, good for him. In multiplayer, user actions should be verified/validated.
 
5:56 PM
^ hehehe
 

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