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10:00 PM
@sbi No, but looks interesting.
Now Playing: SE Radio #159 "C++0x with Scott Meyers"
 
@sbi Gentleman. n. A man who knows how to play accordion -- and doesn't!
 
sbi
@FredOverflow It's a great movie.
@JerryCoffin You should hear what crap he played before that radio scene made him discover Blues...
@JerryCoffin Dead kittens are definitely overrated here. :)
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@JerryCoffin How about C# then? ;) Where did new originate from, Simula I guess?
 
@sbi Not really my line -- It's a quote from one of my heroes (H.L.Mencken).
 
Simula was Norwegian :-)
 
10:04 PM
@JerryCoffin Oh, am I a gentleman then? I know how to write C++ but rarely do... ;)
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@AlfPSteinbach Really, no English keywords? :)
 
@FredOverflow I'm not sure it was original even then, but it looks like Simula did have new. edelweb.fr/Simula/slp-9.pdf
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I doubt it. The use of new in Java and C# is disgusting. In C++ it's used to distinguish what's created on the heap and what's created on the stack. But in those languages it's used for everything! That's dumb. Why bother with new at all?
 
no just Norwegian :-)
he he
actually it's very sad. it was called the "scandinavian school" of sw development
but something happened in 1970's
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Lemme guess. It froze over?
 
norway lost all of its edge, in OO, in robotics, everything
 
10:06 PM
@sbi To make object creation explicit? I don't think it's a bad idea...
 
some old norwegian music:
 
sbi
@Alf, I know, a poor one. Sorry.
 
@sbi Technically, not everything. In Java, you only new objects -- it still have a few "primitive" types like int that you can create on the stack.
 
@sbi lol
 
10:06 PM
alright
in hex, A is 10, right?
 
@sbi Well, in theory, any time you create a new object you use new and any other time you just create a new reference to an existing object. This isn't consistent, though, since you have fun functions like the LINQ ToList()...
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach I actually liked Industrial Silence a lot better.
 
@DeadMG Is that a joke question?
 
hmm
 
@sbi hey you know this! :-) and yes
 
10:07 PM
well, no it wasn't, but I obviously remembered the answer :P
the real question is
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, and int variables aren't called "objects" in Java.
 
how the hell am I supposed to know the English name for the colour 0xFAA (12-bit RGB)
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Actually, Vocal is my cell phone's ring tone. (Well, the general one. I have special ones for special people.)
 
I mean, I got the primary colours and their counterparts, and black/white/gray
 
@DeadMG Convert that to RGB565 or RGB888 and see if you get lucky? ;)
 
10:08 PM
lol
R8G8B8 would just be 0xFFAAAA
which is not terribly helpful as a "What the fuck colour does that make, in English" helper
 
sbi
@DeadMG You're a male. If you have the primary colors straight, then that's as far as you'll ever get. If you need more, you need a wife.
 
haha
I have an exam on this next week
 
sbi
@DeadMG Male or female professor?
 
male
 
sbi
Wow, did you have to look this up??
 
10:10 PM
@sbi If you ever want to see that taken to an extreme, watch, "Mr Blandings builds his dream house" (which, oddly enough, is in B&W).
 
sbi
Anyway, if it isn't a female, you do have a chance. :)
 
I think they should redo "eMail for you" for a male audience: "Female your you" :)
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Why would I want this to be taken to the extreme? I was married more than once, you know! I know what I'm talking about...
 
oh, it's kinda pinkish
 
10:13 PM
@sbi Oh, because it's downright hilarious (in the movie, I mean). In real life...well, I have a wife too... Besides, it has Cary Grant and Myrna Loy. How could that possibly be anything less than cool?
 
@sbi Are you currently married? (To something other than C++, that is.)
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin That movie's German title is a dead give away. :)
@FredOverflow C++? Didn't I mention I'm forced (at gunpoint) to write C#?!
 
repeatedly
oh man, some of the tutorials are asking for basic trigonometry
I haven't done that stuff in like, eight years
 
@DeadMG sin²(x) + cos²(x) = 1, that's all you need to know ;)
 
sbi
@DeadMG "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam"
 
10:17 PM
lol
 
@sbi please translate, haven't done latin in 10 years.
 
I have three vertices of a triangle in 2D, and the question asks for the angles at each vertex
and my mind is like, uuuuh, what you on about?
 
@sbi Ah, found it. Go to: imdb.com/title/tt0040613/quotes, and search for "green"...
 
@FredOverflow sounds like Carthago. about throwing lead weights on people? something like that, IIRC
 
@DeadMG The cosine of the angle between two vectors is the product of the normalized vectors or something... I think.
 
sbi
10:18 PM
@JerryCoffin Haha! Right on spot!
 
yeah
I was thinking that myself
need to draw a Paintagram of it
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I have never had Latin.
 
@sbi Not even ISO-8859-1? ;)
 
@FredOverflow more like, dot product is defined as lengths of vectors times cosine of angle between them.
 
sbi
Jim Blandings: That's fine. For the rest of my life, I'll have to get up at 5 in the morning to catch the 6:15 train to get to my office at 8. It doesn't even open until 9, and I never get there until 10!
Muriel Blandings: Well, maybe if you start earlier, you can leave the office earlier.
Jim Blandings: To get home earlier, to get to bed earlier, to get up earlier, I suppose.
Bill Cole: Maybe you can get the railroad to push the train up to 4:15. Then you won't have to go to bed at all.
Haha!
 
10:21 PM
@FredOverflow geometrically you project one vector onto the other and multiply the lengths
 
lol
 
sbi
@FredOverflow In school? Nope, definitely not. I'd have noticed.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Doesn't that state the same correlation?
 
sbi
"Carthago delenda est" (English: "Carthage must be destroyed") or the fuller "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam" or also "Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam" (English: "Furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed") are Latin political phrases which were popular in the Roman Republic during the latter years of the Punic Wars against Carthage. The city was indeed finally razed by the Romans after the Battle of Carthage in 146 BC, and its entire remaining population sold into slavery. Although no ancient source gives the phrase exactly as it is usually quoted in moder...
 
@FredOverflow well, yes, now that you mention it. sorry. but no need to normalize first
 
10:22 PM
@AlfPSteinbach Mathematics rarely says what happens "first" ;)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow You mean it says it last? Like, after it happened?
 
@sbi I mean in this case, there is no difference if you divide by the length "first" or "last". It simply does not matter.
 
lol
 
sbi
See, that's the trouble with math. Just mention it, and the liveliest chat dries up.
@FredOverflow Oh! Of course, I would never had thought of that interpretation!
 
@sbi Sarcasm?
 
sbi
10:28 PM
@FredOverflow Sarc-what?? google.com/#q=sarc
 
@sbi yeah that search has some crazy results.
I can see that causing a pickup line to go wrong.
"Yeah, I belong to SARC"
 
sbi
@Xaade Say what? Do you really know google's search results for "SARC" like, like...like @Alf knows E minor key?? Now that is creepy!
6 mins ago, by sbi
@FredOverflow Oh! Of course, I would never had thought of that interpretation!
Oh boy, that's some really bad grammar in there.
I think my problem is I hadn't had my beer tonight.
Hey! Where is everybody? Math is gone again! No math anymore! We're not talking about math at all! Math hasn't been mentioned for minutes! You can all come back! It's safe now!
 
@sbi No, I don't know that as well as @Alf knows minors....
 
hm, i'll retire, tired. here is 0000FF (or FF0000?) with Madrugada:
 
@sbi Was I not supposed to click on the search link? I read the results....
 
10:36 PM
@sbi Has mathoverflow its own chat room?
 
very thanks
 
sbi
@Xaade Yeah, I figured I should have held up a screaming SARCASM! sign. Sorry for not bringing that. Doctor said I shouldn't leave the house without.
 
@Xaade it was about my "idiot's boogie", uploadmusic.org/MUSIC/6391871296486561.mp3 (in confused key of E major or was it minor)
 
@sbi One of my coworks has a sign that has I'm serious on one side and Just sh*ting you on the other.

It doesn't help that he uses the sides at random.
 
lol
 
sbi
10:38 PM
@AlfPSteinbach You mind does go strange ways, you know. And the most creepy aspect of this is that, sometimes (too often), I feel like I know how you arrived at whatever link you're dumping here.
 
@AlfPSteinbach WHAAAAAATTTTTTT. You can't use the cloud.... must get recordlabel..... Judge suspends site until case can be resolved.
 
good night everybody
 
sbi
Sleep well. Here's one for the night:
 
@sbi Too late.
 
sbi
10:40 PM
One of the best guitar openers of its decade.
 
oh fuck
missed the deadline for my Microsoft internship application
 
I have a guitar opener.....
knife on one end, hammer on the other......
 
sbi
@Xaade Once you become as old as @Alf and me, you'll have learned that, usually, there's a tomorrow. <SARCASM!>
(Did I mention I hate Letdown?)
 
@sbi Are you not old? Or is there no tommorrow.....
 
sbi
@DeadMG That means you're to unorganzied to qualify. Be glad you found out that early in the application process. Imagine you would have learned for half a dozen tests only to be turned down after the last one!
 
10:42 PM
lol
 
@DeadMG so they won't hire you..... whatever... you just saved some poor guy his job on the next layoff....
 
sbi
@Xaade Dammit, I'm a non-native! Have some mercy! So what do you call the first few bars of a song?
 
well
now I'm just flat out afraid
 
@sbi <SARCASM!>
 
especially of failing my examinations
some of the tutorials ask for things like rotation matrices by hand
 
sbi
10:44 PM
@Xaade You stole my sign!
 
I don't know what a 2x2 rotation matrix looks like off my head, I call a function to build it
 
@DeadMG So you draw one.... pick up the paper.... and rotate it.
 
har har
 
sbi
@DeadMG Actually being afraid of examinations is much better than not caring at all. (It would be bad if you hadn't cared until a few days before, and then become afraid, but as org'd as you are...)
 
@sbi Here's your sign....
 
10:45 PM
I dunno
I just dislike university
 
sbi
@Xaade Now look, that spot wasn't on it when I held it up last time! You made it dirty!
 
my brain doesn't work this way
 
I hate the formal education system anyway.
All it judges is how much money you have.
 
that doesn't bother me
I dunno
 
I was watching a special on some new channel about Harvard kids crapping their pants because of the economy. They were whining about not being guaranteed management and board positions by the schools anymore because of the bad economy.
 
10:48 PM
maybe I'm just irreversibly stuck on the independent route?
to be fair, those Harvard kids pay a LOT of money for their education
 
After that, I have no more respect for ivy league....

And if I own a major company.... won't hire one ever.
 
I doubt that you would personally scan every resume
 
If you whine like that.... imagine what you'll do when the company loses money.
@DeadMG I'll scan every one, and what I don't get to, won't get hired.
 
sbi
On some lighter note, since we were talking guitars (we were, weren't we?), for years I worshiped the guitar solo starting at 3:30 in youtube.com/watch?v=vfO_rmU4pJU.
 
@DeadMG To be fair, their parents paid a LOT of money investing in a better retirement home.
 
10:50 PM
not every Harvard graduate is like that
some of them are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt
 
@DeadMG Well, then.... they didn't get anything out of their financial or math classes.... Bravo!
 
uh, how could you possibly assume that?
taking on that kind of debt in return for that kind of education may well be worth it
 
I've been reading up on how the school prices going up, it may not be worth it to attend a university anymore.
Some have found out they earned more going to a small college and working for their job experience.
 
in the UK, the tuition fees are tripling to 9k/year
 
9k? That's all.
 
10:53 PM
plus 3.5k/year for living expenses
 
Try 60k a semester.
 
yeah, we still pay much less than in the US
but then, the US is insane in many ways, and it's educational fees are just one example
 
Well, good ole miseducation is ruining the capitalist system again. Too many parent stuck on (it worked for my generation). No one counting the opportunity cost. We need to change what's taught in high school. People should know grammar the first year, not repeat it three years. Let's introduce financial and economic classes.
 
I definitely agree
I think we should cut a lot of bullshit
like, apparently my government thinks that PE classes are very important, which is laughable as clearly none of them have ever done it
 
When a credit card company starts showing up on college campuses throwing block parties.... something is seriously wrong.
Better yet.... these fools get out and start working on Dow Jones. People with ZERO management experience running AIG.... no wonder the market crashed.
 
sbi
11:09 PM
@DeadMG Now I feel bad that I was once one of the leaders of the (mild) students' revolt when Berlin started taking 0.1k per semester. (Not for the amount of money, but for breaking - the already pretty watered down - principle that education is for free.)
 
well
I feel, more importantly, that the government is bound to get the money back by taxing the additional income
 
sbi
Not that we stopped it, but we did have a very good time trying. :)
 
and don't see that they need to pay for it explicitly
 
@James: Why did you delete your comment? You were right. stackoverflow.com/questions/4857091/dividing-integers/…
 
"Creating static array on the heap" is a highly confusing title :)
 
11:19 PM
indeed
 
@JohnDibling We keep turning a wrong answer into another wrong answer.
 
@Xaade: to what do you refer?
 
@JohnDibling stackoverflow.com/questions/4857091/dividing-integers/… Answer totally misunderstands [arg]++, and this leads to the wrong answer. Not only that, if what he said was true.... calls would print as 0.
 
@Xaade: Good example of why the entire system of the OP accepting answers is broken.
 
Out of curiosity, @sbi, from some comments I gather that either you are a teacher/professor or you have been, right?
Can I ask where and what do/did you teach?
 
11:37 PM
can mods un-accept an answer?
 
@JohnDibling that's when you edit the answer.... :)
 
hmmm
so, what do I do? Just go in and blow away the body of the post?
 
Well, it's telling me my edit has to be peer reviewed
That no one can see it
 
@JohnDibling He fixed the problem I noted so I removed my comment because it was no longer relevant. I didn't read the rest of the answer actually.
Oh my. Yes, indeed that answer is wrong.
 
sbi
@DavidRodríguezdribeas For a few years I have been a lecturer/instructor at two universities here in Berlin besides my daytime job.
 
11:46 PM
How did you like it?
 
sbi
I like both, programming and teaching. But in the end I had a 30hrs/week daytime job and two teaching jobs, with turned in homework and examinations accumulating to 50-60hrs a week. No fun when you have kids at home that have a right to see you, too. So I quit.
 
11:58 PM
I almost went into teaching two years ago, but then I would not be here now :) I don't regret it, but sometimes I think I would like to try one day
I did not have time to both get my job done, and teach at the same time. And I didn't even have kids!
 

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