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13:00
@LucDanton s/parameters/arguments/g
user142019
PHP's terribleness isn't related to its level of abstraction. It's related to bad design decisions events that happened.
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@BartekBanachewicz not my chart.
I use Eiffel terminology, duh.
Seriously, guys, you are annoying the Cat with your "X is more terrible" crap.
@Zoidberg that's my chart obviously
13:00
Seriously.
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz well, it's wrong.
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@LucDanton What
user142019
Your chart is bad and you should feel bad.
@Zoidberg it can't be wrong, fuckwit. Robot is right though, let's shut up about it already
13:01
Oh hey profiler chart was upside down
user142019
lol
That's why it doesn't make sense
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lawl
user142019
Stop hanging from the ceiling.
Chrome defaults to displaying results bottom up
And it's painfully hard to read
user1357851
13:02
@BartekBanachewicz C++ is the best consider the members in its various forums/lounge/chatrooms
user142019
Farmers are busy again. I smell cowshit.
user1357851
Awesome-ness is measured by followers (wannabes) as always :p
@Telkitty that's the most idiotic criteria I've ever seen
user142019
Awesomeness is measured by distance from Haskell.
@BartekBanachewicz You've seen very little
13:03
> let's shut up about it already
user142019
@CatPlusPlus lol
Meh.
It's enough that I saw you.
user142019
Facebook was written in PHP so PHP is awesome.
13:04
I'll let you pointlessly argue without me then. have fun
user142019
Stupid spring. I want summer.
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Or early autumn.
@Zoidberg I want not winter :(
user142019
goto africa;
@thecoshman Apparently, Winter will return to Berlin in the weekend :/
user1357851
13:05
I want grilled wagyu beef served with lobster, oyster and fresh salad
user142019
I want bacon served with bacon, bacon and bacon.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ I wish learning German was a reasonable option for me
@thecoshman What's the relation?
(Also, why isn't it reasonable?)
Millions of people can do it.
Bah, it loads a heavy AJAX request on every book page turn
At least it's easy to optimise
user142019
13:07
Make it less heavy.
(I love removing code)
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, you just wanting to move. Berlin sounds nice, but I can't exactly work in English there. And I have the linguistic skills of a rock.
OMG, you're confusing me.
user142019
You mean the Rosetta stone?
@thecoshman What are you talking about
user142019
13:08
@thecoshman Wait wat.
user1357851
you rock is okay but if you are a rock it's a bit worrying
or if you live under one
user142019
4 mins ago, by thecoshman
@Zoidberg I want not winter :(
user142019
3 mins ago, by thecoshman
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ I wish learning German was a reasonable option for me
Ok, let's see if we can get on the same page. You said you wanted "not Winter". I said Winter will be back in Berlin this weekend. How the rest follows from this, I have no idea.
13:09
This conversation is literally this: "cosh: I don't like winter — Robot: it'll be snowing this weekend where I am :( — cosh: I wish I could learn German"
user142019
This makes no sense. Winter returns to Berlin, you hate winter, you want to go to Berlin.
user142019
This makes no sense. Winter returns to Berlin, you hate winter, you want to go to Berlin.
¬_¬ is this really had for you people to understand. I dislike winter. I dislike working here even more. Berlin sounds like a nice play to live/work, despite colder weather. I doubt I would be able to learn German.
user142019
Probably some kind of arcane pirate talk.
user142019
Internet y u lag. This is more like Internot.
13:11
@thecoshman Don't worry, I can teach you :P
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
user142019
Table flip operator.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ It took me three years of high school to learn how to say some Spanish numbers... It's taken me 24 years to learn what little skills I have with English
Don't be silly like that. Your English is fine. Sure you make a few mistakes here and there and we joke about it, but if you think your English is terrible, you haven't been on the Internet much.
Just look at YT comments
13:15
If it makes you feel bad, I can stop joking about it.
user142019
The pirate it's English is surely fine.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know it's not that bad. Still, learning German is something I very much doubt I will ever be able to grasp
user142019
Train y u no on station in time.
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah it's fine, perhaps a bit tiring at times :P
@thecoshman Anyway, since you probably never used Spanish outside the classroom, your example is not representative.
13:17
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, to start with, I did try, but there's only so long I can put up with failing that badly
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes I heard spain is a good destination for winter in Europe
Seriously, if learning German is the one thing stopping you from doing what you want, stop being a wuss and man up.
@DeadMG DON'T DO THE MFC JOB DON'tdon'tdon'tdon't
Please no hurt yourselve we lav yooooou ;~;
Also, yeah, Berlin is a nice place :)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes $ man up
13:23
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah, there is other stuff indeed
Visual Studio editor is so bad I want to cry
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@CatPlusPlus I'd have thought you of all people would have VsVim installed.
user1357851
Don't be a rock, be a man! Or a little girl, just don't be a rock ...
@thecoshman Yeah, I thought so too.
@ThePhD lol
13:25
@Xeo I don't use VS often enough to remember to install it
@R.MartinhoFernandes bucket of cheer aint I :P
VsVim doesn't support :setl noet
Why would you want that?
Because this file uses tabs everywhere
@CatPlusPlus why exactly?
13:28
It doesn't even support per-buffer tab settings
Ahahahah there's "Tabify line" in menu
@CatPlusPlus so convert them to spaces?
@thecoshman What a great idea
@CatPlusPlus TM
(Never reformat files unless you're reformatting entire repo)
@CatPlusPlus well, get to it
13:30
well
time to get back to work, I guess
@thecoshman What a great idea
@CatPlusPlus TM
Let's put aside real work and reformat all those files I'll probably never even touch again
You are very good at this programming thing
Oh.
Are tabs so bad? :c
yes
13:31
Yes
FINALLY
> "is the depth value recorded in the map is less than the depth value of our vertex in the same coordinate system?"
(Also shut up)
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Do we need to have this discussion again?
no Real Programmers use tabs, :P
13:31
I GET SHADOWMAPS
;~; Sorry.
dances
I am an OpenGL expert; please ask questions.
@BartekBanachewicz Woah, you were still on that since... yesterday?
no no no! we will not do this tab vs space thing AGAIN!
19 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
god damn these shadow samplers are complicated
13:32
some one post the link and bin any thing about it
@R.MartinhoFernandes also, the guy whose tutorial I am reading claims to have spent over 200 hrs on research and implementation. He doesn't seem particulary good, but still...
VsVim is primitive too :<
your primitive
Screw Visual Studio
We talked about shadow maps in CG class :|
13:34
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's... cool? I guess? I dunno what should I say now. These aren't easy to do properly because of many factors.
Compared for example with deferred rendering
Anyway, I am going to implement that shit now and see how it works. The best part is that I am actually getting paid to do that <3
Oh gd
If it was an uni assignment it would take me a month and I would conclude it's bullshit long before it would be done
I installe VsVim and I have no idea what I'm doing
13:36
> The German language remains relatively unpopular with British teenagers, however. The number of A-level entries for German fell below 5,000 in Britain's schools last summer, making it less popular than Spanish, which was taken by over 7,300 candidates.
why would you install vsvim -.-
I'm really fucking up this file. :c
Because VS editor is extremely bad?
@ThePhD Why did you install it if you have no idea how to use it :/
If you want to learn vim get vim not VsVim
13:38
It looked tempting....
34 secs ago, by Cat Plus Plus
If you want to learn vim get vim not VsVim
@R.MartinhoFernandes food for thought
@CatPlusPlus you are extremely bad. VS editor is decent
Yes, we had this before.
13:39
well that's your opinion.
Now what I want to know is why the fuck does this thing tell me this text has capital Bs rendered with space glyphs.
It doesn't even have the stupid buffer-local setting for tab expansion
And lowercase as too. TF is going on here.
Not to mention it's too retarded to insert correct newline
@CatPlusPlus exacly, it doesn't have that stupid setting.
13:41
@BartekBanachewicz I have no words
@BartekBanachewicz o_O Are you trying to say something coherent, or just trolling?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am trying to put down this rant.
It could be coherent trolling.
Because honestly I've seen a lot of worse editors than VS
@BartekBanachewicz With trolling? Yeah, you need to learn a few things.
13:42
Oh god it's that "there are worse things" argument
user1357851
VS is not too bad
I am perfectly happy with that editor, because, to be honest, I don't really know what else would I want
I love those editors that print garbage when you press backspace.
Getting fucked with a giant cock is worse than getting fucked with a small one! :D
There are worse things than being homeless too
GUESS BEING HOMELESS IS OKAY
13:43
@StackedCrooked The 1980s called, btw.
(It's fucking retarded argument)
^ guess when I switched to HDD from SSD
And when I switched back
your arguments are totally meaningless to me OTOH because I don't really mind the points you mentioned
10 years ago when bootchart stopped being maintained?
I like the way Vim thinks about stuff but I can't force myself to get into Vim mode.
13:44
VS editor is primitive as fuck, that's as objective as "notepad is primitive as fuck"
@CatPlusPlus define unmaintained. It works nicely for my purposes. However, ubuntu borked the 'when is it done' part, so it's just visual inspection really
@ThePhD You could try emacs if you prefer keybindings to modality
@sehe 63MB/s lol
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah. My HDD wasn't up to the task. Samsung Spinpoint or a Barracuda, though. Need to check. Yup had both (home/root).
@CatPlusPlus Why don't you code in Word then?
13:45
@sehe I think you have a problem :O
Should I laugh now?
@thecoshman tell me what it is?
I mean, Word is totally non-primitive
Because it's not a text editor? Do you have a book with crappy retorts or what
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@sehe OCD
13:46
ITT : @Cat said Word is not a text editor.
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure
I honestly don't know what to reply to this one.
@thecoshman It's finger exercises I love. It may be a tic. But it is useful too
@BartekBanachewicz Word ISN'T a text editor. It's a word processor.
@sehe o_0
Oh god it's this annoying pedantry again
13:47
@BartekBanachewicz Because according to everyone-but-you's definition, it isn't...
Word is not a script language!
A text editor is a type of program used for editing plain text files. Text editors are often provided with operating systems or software development packages, and can be used to change configuration files and programming language source code. Plain text files vs. word processor files There are important differences between plain text files created by a text editor, and document files created by word processors such as Microsoft Word, WordPerfect, or OpenOffice.org. *A plain text file uses a simple character set such as ASCII to represent numbers, letters, and a small number of symbol...
welp okay. I stand corrected.
Executioned, more accurately :)
Still, I don't really see the point in saying that something simple must be worse.
13:49
I have no idea about what makes a good text editor but I'm still participating in a discussion about text editors :derp:
that's very cool that vim has a lot of nice features, but I personally like it for simplicity and running virtually everywhere
@thecoshman FTR: it's all of this (and a minute fidgeting in vim for the index page):
    convert $(ls -rt /var/log/bootchart/*.png) -crop 900x280+1x1 graph-clip.png
@CatPlusPlus "I have no idea about a discussion at all, but... "
@CatPlusPlus didn't you start it?
I think a Text Editor that could literally flip the "Vim Switch" with a key binding or the "Emacs Switch" would be the best.
13:49
@BartekBanachewicz It's not worse. It's less powerful.
@ThePhD Kate has had that for the longest time. And VS with VsVim. And SublimeText
@ThePhD Last I checked, it's called emacs.
@BartekBanachewicz Yes clearly
Emacs has a Vim mode
Obviously
Jesus
You called?
13:51
you mad?
@CatPlusPlus I can't make out if you're having a good day or a bad one, care to clarify? :)
user1357851
normal day for cat
Also, VS editor's autocompletion is much better than that of vim. And certainly easier to set up.
the lack of decent non-VS environments does concern me
I haven't noticed it being considerably better, but honestly I need autocompletion far less than everything else
13:53
autocompletion is a nice feature, and has it's uses, but it can be a nuisance at times
@BartekBanachewicz Are you talking about IntelliSense?
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@BartekBanachewicz Sorry, but IntelliSense plain sucks a majority of the time.
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, sometimes autocompletion will complete word to something different, but with the same starting letters and then you have to start all over, argghhhh
Hello, I have a question related on Eclipse. Where I can put in on chat...in what room?
@Xeo But it's easy to setup
@Xeo And it's still better than vim's autocompletion. /cc @R.Martinho
@user1929959 Questions go on the questions part.
inb4 "question banned"
Have you even used vim's AC
13:54
yes.
it sucked.
Sad story
The local one or omnicomplete
MAAAD MONSTER MANSIOOON
Also do you know what ctags is
ctags was used in Code::Blocks I think
13:55
some sort of preprocessor/analyzer?
I used to like IntelliSense when I used VS for C#.
And then I learned about R#.
Doesn't R# cost money?
I am not sure if it was omnicomplete or not, it was quite a while ago
Damnit.
There goes that for me. =[
13:55
I never really felt that IntelliSense helped when doing C++.
@ThePhD you can just buy it
I don't remember last time I used IS
@R.MartinhoFernandes The C++ Intellisense I will give you could really use work
It's a non-feature
but what's objectionable about the C# Intellisense?
13:56
@ThePhD It's one of the few dev tools worth your money if you work intensively with C#
@jalf I was promised to continue working on the thesis, that's why. Do you mind if I add you on linkedin?
Intelllisense was a nuisance for C++.
@CatPlusPlus It gives you room heating and RSI prevention by slowdown!
For C#, it was finger sex.
Formatting on copy/paste and formatting on completed blocks of code was especially lovely.
13:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes It works really well for me. Apart from the rare freezes
@DeadMG Oh, objectionable? I wouldn't call it that. But R# spoils you by showing you how much better it can be.
It works really well, unless it doesn't
ok, let me re-phrase that
what's so much better about R#?
13:57
@CatPlusPlus yea thanks captain obvious
I'm not going to argue about autocomplete because it's one of those extra features that text editor doesn't really need
@DeadMG try it. Refactoring, basically. All kinds. Expand selection (DOM based expression/block selection). Many automatic code transformations
@DeadMG It has much better filtering in the lists, and much better heuristics: in many places, I can just ask for a completion out of the blue, and it gets it right.
I'd rather have no autocomplete and good editor than crappy editor with perfect autocomplete
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So... I have two makefiles. The old one, which was big and crummy and listed everything a thousand times, and a new, shiny small one with autorules and all the nice things... except the new one doesn't work. :| "undefined references" galore, and I can't figure out where I missed something.
13:58
By out of the blue I mean I don't even have to type the first letter.
@CatPlusPlus sure, that's your opinion. I think it's a very important feature to have.
R# is basically an acrobatic hooker that seemed to be built from your programming wet dreams, while C# Intellisense is just the nice and helpful lady that's around.
@R.MartinhoFernandes How can that possibly work?
@CatPlusPlus what's that "nah"?
13:59
> but I prefer deadlocks to race conditions because they are so much easier to debug.
hahah
If you need autocomplete then your interfaces are probably too big
I can't say that it's a lie
Nice, but JESUS CHRIST THERE'S AN ACROBATIC HOOKER AND HOLY SHIT SHE'S NOT EVEN CHARGING THAT MUCH.
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But w/e I don't care about it either way
@ThePhD What have you taken or forgotten to take?
13:59
yes, and it's your opinion.

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