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2:00 PM
@TonyTheLion Nothing >___>
 
@ThePhD woah
 
:sigh:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It indeed is context/history sensitive. The most beautiful part is, sometimes it (almost 90% correctly) jumps to the most likely match (Say "S" -> StringBuilder). If you really wanted Stream, just keep typing ("Str" -> Stream). It will just figure, if you didn't accept the completion already, it will stop preferring the initial guess.
 
I hate it when people downvote a two year old answer
 
what are you suddenly terrified that someone said in your face that your opinions aren't facts?
 
2:00 PM
@DeadMG It looks at the scope, types, and parameter names, at least. Say you have a decimal variable named "carPrice" in some function, and are calling Foo(decimal price, string whatever). You can type "Foo(", ask for completion, and it leaves you at "Foo(carPrice, ".
(It has two or three different completions if you don't want too many smarts)
 
No I'm just tired
 
@BartekBanachewicz Like yours. And some opinions are based on more experience. Some are just plain more popular. Get over it :)
 
If I made an intellisense, it'd send subtle messages to the user.
 
@DeadMG It also considers history for sorting the possibilities.
 
Yeah. That rocks. Big time.
 
2:02 PM
Like for Robot's Foo example, for a split second I'd fill in "Foo(carPrice, "Your Mother")
 
You can reduce everything to "IT'S JUST YOUR OPINION"
 
@ThePhD Subtle
 
@sehe The fact that an opinion is popular doesn't mean it automatically becomes better. And I actually think that number of VS users is still bigger than vim users
 
Like evolution
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nor does it mean you should care more
 
2:02 PM
And shit
 
@sehe care more about what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Perhaps. But not in this room. So what does that say about VS for C++...
@BartekBanachewicz Your opinion or those that are popular
 
@sehe It's about desired experience, IME.
 
@sehe in this room people use C++11, support for which obviously sucks in VS, so that's not a surpirse
 
VS is still a crappy editor, whether it has good autocomplete or not
 
2:03 PM
I kinda miss R#, to be honest.
 
I desire a nice Windows GUI experience, and Cat wants a crappy Linux CLI experience :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz ?! yeah. It's about that. Simple story, really
 
there ain't one tool that's gonna satisfy both of us
 
@DeadMG What
 
@DeadMG Cat uses gVim.
 
2:04 PM
@sehe I thought we were talking about an editor
 
I couldn't care less about CLI
Especially on Windows
 
@sehe is it a nice way of saying "drop this discussion"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One day, someone will make R++.
And the world will become a better place. <3
 
@ThePhD I doubt that.
 
@CatPlusPlus The reductio ad absurdum
 
2:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It is a way of saying you might not need to care so much. I wouldn't be saying it if I didn't get the impression you cared a little too much :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can dream. :c
 
C# is easy because it has a non-absurdly-complex grammar and metadata.
 
@ThePhD More like, "One day I will finish Wide" :P
 
Well, I'm having a crack whore CMOS fest here. Just had to rewire the CMOS battery for the onboard ROM to evade the checksum error due to reinitialization. Damn old computer, y u old?
 
2:05 PM
Boring
:)
@DomagojPandža Because you keep using it
 
One day I'll die and finally won't be able to make the mistake of engaging in discussions on Internet
9
 
I'm mildly optimistic about the chances of that happening
 
1. Die 2. ???? 3. Profit
 
1. Die 2. ???? 3. Be blonde for a change
 
Oh my god this is so sexy~~~
 
2:08 PM
@DeadMG I sometimes like to joke that with R# I can write entire functions by repeatedly typing Ctrl+Space and Alt+Enter.
 
Ctrl + Shift + C and it moves my entire implementation to a source file at once. <3
 
I don't even know why I try to keep 7 year old computers functional.
It just bothers me that it is dying.
 
@ThePhD What, where. Also, where was it? In Word?
 
Visual Studio with Visual Assist X.
 
hihi
@sehe There's ViEmu for Word, did you know?
 
2:09 PM
@ThePhD I should probably try that once. When I have the opportunity
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I do. And Outlook
 
@DomagojPandža Buy a puppy.
 
Albeit, I can't specify where it sends my implementation (it demends I have {Class}.cpp instead of {Class}.inl)
 
@ThePhD Yet another part where R# rocks!
 
.inl sucketh
@sehe What, it sends his implementation to Class.inl?
 
I'm going to change all my .inl to .cpp soon but for now, I'm still doing ~Unity Build~
 
2:11 PM
@DeadMG When refactoring, it detects when partial classes are spread over multiple sources and allows you to indicate where you want it to go
 
The best part is, it's also namespace-aware.
 
@sehe What's the point of partial classes if not to spread them over multiple sources?
 
So if I write out the namespace in the CPP file, it'll stick it in without namespace qualification.
 
@sehe Well, I like both Vim and VS, I however dislike the Cat hatred and being generally unfriendly.
 
If I don't, it'll use a fully qualified name or partially qualified name.
 
2:11 PM
@ThePhD That might well mean it will refuse to do 80% of refactorings because of possible (ADL) side-effects
 
@ThePhD ...
 
It's really nice. <3
 
@BartekBanachewicz File a bug report
 
@sehe to whom?
 
@sehe Working with R# kinda feels like you are not working with text, but with the actual abstract language constructs.
 
2:12 PM
@ThePhD Yea, I can imagine doing a full rebuild every time must be nice.... NOT.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I want dese feels.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I dunno. The appropriate authority. A constructive, welcoming listening party. You know, not us :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Too bad it's ultra fast. :3c
 
@ThePhD It certainly isn't faster than partial rebuilds, so...
 
For now, anyhow.
Soon, it's going to be slow as shit.
 
2:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which is precisely what it does. There are occasional leakages of that abstraction. But, mostly it only happens when you want to take over control (i.e. use oldfashioned clipboard munging).
 
Because I'm going to change to the shitty old regular compilation model.
That sucks all kinds of dick. =[
 
By the way, that's one of the biggest wins of refactoring shortcuts: they don't clobber your clipboard the way the manual equivalents would.
 
@ThePhD I will probably go header-only
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wanted to, but I have const static data.
That I want to keep as members and not change to a bunch of static function wankery.
 
@ThePhD get rid of it then.
 
Xeo
2:14 PM
Da fuck.
 
ITT : @ThePhD having crypto-singletons in his code
 
Xeo
Why the heck do you need to pass the .o input before the LDFLAGS for linking? :|
 
¬_¬ yeah... getter and setter for 'magicNumber'
 
.... Wat.
 
I love this job ¬_¬
 
2:15 PM
@sehe ... that's the point. Why can't lounge be a constructive, welcoming, listening party? :/
 
@Xeo you need to pass the libraries after the objects. "Why"? I dunno :)
 
@thecoshman Fuck you :)
 
Xeo
@sehe I just had to flip those two and suddenly the makefile worked. Narf.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because it would serve no purpose. Certainly not in the case of a rant against someone else's mood or personality :)
 
@ScottW well static functions aren't bad. Static state is.
 
2:16 PM
here's a simple explanation as to why my program doesn't segfault under GDB
 
@TonyTheLion too much sarcasm is being used right now... or do I mean not enough?
 
because it doesn't segfault without GDB either.
 
We are not that authority. It's just the internet after all.
 
just misread this dumbass command-line output, it's actually some other tool.
 
2:17 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see what's not constructive about saying that VS cannot do <whatever it was that the cat realised it could not>. You are exaggerating, a lot.
 
one day I should generate the include tree for my project.
 
Xeo
Btw @sehe, in theory I could replace a rule like test -d $(DIR) || mkdir -p $(DIR) with a dependency on $(DIR) and simply mkdir -p $(DIR) in the rule, right?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they way he says that?
 
@DeadMG hahahahahaha
 
@sehe we are the internet
 
2:18 PM
@Xeo needs more quotes. Also, you could just do mkdir -p $(DIR) unconditionally.
 
@CatPlusPlus Do you like Fairies and Nymphs (or Sprites)?
 
@BartekBanachewicz So. Play your part. The way you like it to be. I try to do the same
 
@ThePhD ?
 
@CatPlusPlus Just wondering. o-o
 
Xeo
@sehe Hm, I guess.
 
2:19 PM
@ThePhD I have no idea
 
I will pick NymphShader then.
Because it sounds cool.
 
well, that's one way to name classes, I guess
 
Oh
I've done that thing where I've forgotten to commit for a long-ass time.
 
@thecoshman :) <3
 
@Xeo I usually end up with things similar to:
all: one/two/bogus/v some/other/v
%/v:
	mkdir -pv $(@D)
	touch $@
 
2:23 PM
@TonyTheLion that's my boy!
 
@thecoshman Missed the sarcasm <3
 
Hm.
 
Xeo
@sehe I just wanted make to spit out "nothing to be done" if the project doesn't need rebuilding, we just unconditionally executed a before target (imagine all: before build after) that that tested and created the directories, so it would always do that.
 
I think I'm just going to embed the source code for these shaders into the source file.
 
@sehe tsk tsk
 
2:25 PM
@sehe what do you mean? you missed it in me recently, in what I just said, in the room in general? Or are you asking me?
 
Cool Chrome profiler stopped working
 
@ThePhD what is your interface for loading them? simple std::string?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ShaderDescription -> ShaderPassDescription -> ShaderMethodDescription.
 
@ThePhD whaaat
 
2:26 PM
is there any way I can stop a temporary file from being deleted?
 
Passes and higher-level shaders are built from files.
 
@Xeo Huh. The rule statement have ZERO effect on the dependency analysis?!
 
Lower-level things can be made out of source or a file.
(e.g. a single ShaderMethod).
 
Xeo
@sehe Should I make it a code example?
 
@ThePhD what's a difference between "high level" and "low level" shader o.O
 
Xeo
2:27 PM
(I mean, since the before target didn't have any dependencies, it was always executed.)
 
@DeadMG What temporary file where
 
@CatPlusPlus One that was created by an executable I ran
and I'd like to inspect it's contents
 
@Xeo You could. However, keep in mind that mkdir -p already does dependency tracking. It will simply amount to no-op if the dir exists. Therefore, there is no reason to tell Make about any dependencies on the directory
 
a High-Level shader is a ShaderPass and a ShaderTechnique (or just a Shader). It encapsulates multiple methods which can be run-time linked and jimmied together or not.
 
2:27 PM
"All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again..." Most likely because horses are terrible at egg repair.
 
That's very specific and I can already see where the problem is!
 
Xeo
@sehe Oh, I'll try that.
 
@DeadMG it depends what the executable is doing with it
 
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Q: Which resources a good PHP developer must have?

Lisa MiskovskyI'm not sure if this question belongs to stackoverflow. (If not, please link me so I can make this question in appropriate section of stackexchange.) I'm a developer with some years of experience. It has been 5 years since I first took my PHP lessons in university, and I code with PHP since then...

 
@Xeo Ah. But it should have proper dependencies. Depending on a directory is.... weird
 
2:28 PM
> Ps. It is optional but, I'll be glad if you can also note your current employment status (e.g lead developer, senior developer etc.) while replying.
 
The lowest level is a ShaderMethod, which encapsulates one and only one method (equivalent to one main call in GLSL or a single compiled HLSL function).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lowut
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit where the hell is that from
 
yeah
 
@sehe from that question
 
2:29 PM
I'll just ask that guy for that tool he mentioned which might do the job
 
My employment status is "awesome". — R. Martinho Fernandes 17 secs ago
> Ok, that was something I was expecting. Where can I ask such questions? - Lisa M.
 
@sehe sometimes I wish we could link our own messages together. I can't reply to my own question but I want the onebox
 
Famous last words
 
TIL "Sim Sala Bim" is nonsense.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, you can.
 
what did you think it was?
 
2:30 PM
@ThePhD ookeey.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit See?
@TonyTheLion Something.
 
My shader system is really thorough.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit SE Chat user script can. Ctrl-Up to the message, 'R' to reply
@sehe Like this ^
 
... Perhaps far too thorough, but thorough nonetheless. :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yea, nonsense
 
Xeo
2:31 PM
@sehe If I just have 'before: mkdir -p $(DIR)' (with proper newline and indentation), it doesn't say "nothing to be done for `all'" :(
 
hah
nice "hack"
 
@Xeo Well, don't make it a before rule? Why does the before rule not have any actual dependency?
 
@ThePhD well, as long as it isn't blocking the user in any way it's ok
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Of course you can always spell the :123789 reference out :)
 
2:32 PM
@sehe that's the hack I meant :P
 
Spawning 500 classes can really complicate things OTOH
 
<3 Spawning 500 classes.
Hm.
 
I am dramatically reducing number of redundant classes ATM
besides my Loaders, of course
 
ack Loaders.
 
My Loader interface sucks huge dick.
 
Xeo
2:33 PM
@sehe I honestly don't know which dependencies it should have. :s It's just there to make sure the actual build proceeds regardless of which directories already exist. So, I thought, I'd just make it dependent on those directories - if they don't exist, it should create them.
 
@DeadMG Why are you acknowledging loaders?
 
I have in mind a better, template one.
 
@ThePhD i think mine is quite ok
 
syn Loaders.
TCP jokes are lame.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Someone has to try and help those poor sods.
@ThePhD All Loader interfaces suck dick.
 
2:34 PM
@DeadMG Only the size changes.
 
creating an object from a file is a function
 
@DeadMG I'm planning to change mine to use Variadic Template magic for importing / exporting goodness.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And species?
 
@DeadMG I don't always create an object from a file
 
user1357851
I am banging my head on the wall, eclipse sdk manager refuses to find this support library for me. I googled it, in every screenshot there is the support package sitting in the sdk manager. Why!!!
 
2:35 PM
@DeadMG Not necessarily. I'd like my loaders to encapsulate some state too (ddsloader.Decompress = false;, etc. etc.)
 
@Xeo I'd loose the 'before' rule. It is causing the 'rogue' inactuality, because it doesn't state it's dependency. Simply create the directories just in time in the 'dependent' rules.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Was half-expecting "but when I do, ..."
 
Xeo
@sehe Hmm.
 
@ThePhD Oh, function arguments.
 
2:36 PM
@ThePhD state is bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That could get entirely unruly later on. =[
 
Your mother.
 
And is very unruly, and never listens to the rules.
 
Right now I have SimpleDirectLoader and SimpleFileLoader and they work great
first loads from memory, second from file.
 
@ThePhD At the very most, that's a kind of argument class or stateful function object.
 
2:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Pity iostreams suck.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they also allow raw buffers now.
 
@ThePhD ...and works in the department of redundancy department?
 
@BartekBanachewicz They always did, AFAIK.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean my loaders, not streams, lol.
 
2:38 PM
Still, they can supply whatever.
The point is they separate it somehow
 
@JerryCoffin And likes repeating herself sometimes.
 
Object is always loaded one way and doesn't know shit about how the data is generated
 
MemoryStream ftw.
 
I don't know what a MemoryStream is, but I just wanted to separate processing from loading
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not simply load from iterators?
 
2:39 PM
And this solution does exactly that
 
@DeadMG q___q filestream iterators
 
@BartekBanachewicz A stream with a memory backing store, as opposed to a stream with a file backing store (or whatever else)
 
then you can simply pass in pointers/random-access-containers/etc as a "memory" loader, or istream_iterators for files.
 
Some resources load from more than one stream
 
@DeadMG How do I seek backwards? :c
 
2:40 PM
So it would need to be a map<range> anyway
 
@ThePhD If you need more advanced traversal functionality, then you need either memory-mapped I/O, or load it into a memory buffer first.
 
And if I am to pass map<range>, I might as well pass an interface
 
OH
That reminds me
I need to ninja all my streams
 
Xeo
@sehe I have some difficulty figuring out how to best do that, tbh. I have a "$(TMP_DIR)/%.o: %.cpp; $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c -o $@ $?" target - should I really just stick the mkdir -p $(TMP_DIR) in there?
 
2:41 PM
so that all of my default streams are implemented from BufferedStream, save for MemoryStream.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Template on Range.
 
@DeadMG but it looks so... raw
 
@Xeo that, or mkdir -p "$(@D)"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Template >>>> interface.
 
19 mins ago, by sehe
all: one/two/bogus/v some/other/v
%/v:
	mkdir -pv $(@D)
	touch $@
 
2:42 PM
IEC, what I was hoping to do with my loader system soon was to enable infinite processing chaining.
 
^ See that @Xeo
 
@DeadMG hmmm
 
for example, if you use Boost.Range or iterator pairs, you actually stand a chance in hell of being able to interoperate with other people's code or your own future code.
 
okay, I see it
yes, that's a good idea
 
@ThePhD You mean like... iterators?
 
2:42 PM
But I will prolly need a bit of help with that
 
Xeo
@sehe What doe the $(@D) part do? :) Guesswork: it represents the directory of the target or something?
 
@Xeo yup. Try it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Every skilled member of the Lounge is quite expert on iterators, especially myself (the others suck)
2
 
@DeadMG good. Lemme prepare a draft then
 
Btw, Boost.Range sucks. But yeah.
@DeadMG lol
 
2:43 PM
Preparing a daft
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Um, so should I boost.Range or not?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Use rtl
 
@Xeo Erm. No.
 
Xeo
:3
 
2:44 PM
Don't use my playground.
 
what's rtl?
 
It has very few useful algorithms.
 
Xeo
ROBOT IS MEAN AND DOESN'T WANT TO SHARE HIS TOYS!
 
(Have you seen radial? Quite fun, but it's a useless joke)
 
@DeadMG Wat. No, I meant Load( PNGLoader{}, GrayScale{}, TextureMaker{} )
 
Xeo
2:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope
 
@BartekBanachewicz Experimental port of the D range library bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/rtl
 
@ThePhD That looks pretty much exactly like range chaining.
 
I don't know what that is.
 
@Xeo Time for a sixth law, I guess (or is that fifth?)
 
2:45 PM
@JerryCoffin Fourth.
 
This might help understanding it.
 
there are only Three Laws of Robotics.
 
user1357851
... I prefer barbie cake pictures
 
so if you want "Robots must always share their toys", that would be #4
 
A guitar mishap with a spiral
 
2:46 PM
Except for the Zeroth, and the Firsteth.
The Zeroth is a generalisation of the First, and the Firsteth is a joke (Asimov's joke, not mine).
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lawl. Wtf would that ever be useful for.
 
@Xeo FFT. Radix divide-and-conquer?
 
@Xeo Don't ask me, it seemed fun to implement.
But it shows how serious I am taking it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sigh its documentation will take me forevers to read. Isn't there something I just can inherit from when specifying my function parameters? IOW HOW DO I RANGE FOR DUMMIES?
 
@DeadMG But, uh. Seriously. What does range-chaining have to do with things who's input / outputs match?
Oh, the chaining is also why I need state.
 
2:48 PM
@ThePhD Because that's what range chaining is.
 
It might be useful for traversing heaps which are in certain very regular configurations
 
you take two algorithms, the output of one is the input of the next.
even iterators can do that, although not terrifically cleanly.
 
@Xeo IMO, pretty much nothing.
 
Oh, okay.
 
boost::range can do it very simply
 
2:48 PM
I thought you meant something specifically with Ranges.
OH you did.
 
algo1 | algo2 | algo3.
 
Welp now I'm lost again. :3c
 
done
 
Xeo
I love the piping syntax.
 
@DeadMG cough. That's adaptor chaining
 
2:49 PM
shush
close enough
 
Xeo
@sehe adaptors > algorithms. :)
 
I'm so confused <__>
 
range | adaptor | adaptor(algo1) | ...
 
user1357851
Does anyone here uses the Android SDK manager?
 
Range chaining would look like boost::filter(boost::transform(boost::sort(vec), &Foo), Predicate)
 
2:50 PM
@ThePhD The point is, you're just badly reinventing boost::range.
 
Xeo
Looks mighty better than algo3(algo2(algo1(range, some), other), args)
 
What does range mean in that thingy?
 
Do I have to have a range ?
 
class CResource { /*...*/ friend class CResourceManager; }; I was so stupid
 
2:50 PM
@Xeo But it isn't comparable. boost::sort(v) is in-place, v | sorted doesn't exist (for good reasons)
 
why is everything singletons :'(
 
Range chaining would be chain(a, b, c, d, e, f)
Functions are not ranges.
(Well, they can be)
 
q_q
 
Xeo
@ThePhD std::vector would be a simple example.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and what would that mean? Like "Enumerable::Concat<>"?
 
2:51 PM
This conversation has gone so far above my head.
 
@sehe What are those reasons?
 
I'm going to listen to music and feel dumb.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes What else would you call the piping then?
 
class Resource
{
public:
    template<class Loader>
	virtual std::string Load(Loader const& loader) = 0;
    virtual void Unload () = 0;

protected:
	Resource(void) { }
};
 
2:52 PM
@DeadMG It wouldn't work in deferred execution style. It would require copying the whole range.
@Xeo range adapting?
 
@sehe ... and the problem with that is?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz That looks inside out.
 
@Xeo Have you noticed that you already have a name for it?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes :P
 
@DeadMG Range adaptors promise to be lazy, IIRC
 
2:52 PM
copying the whole range is necessary anyway
 
Yay I nuked the dev Chrome, installed stable and it works
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Also, you suck, no virtual templates.
 
(Of course the profile doesn't work because why would they prepare migration paths)
 
lazy evaluation: far more trouble than it's actually worth.
 
2:53 PM
@DeadMG Well unless in place. I didn't come up with the limitation
 
why is the class called one thing, but the logging saying it's starting another?
 
@DeadMG Says you.
 
> hello. how can I convert a vector<string> to char* array[] ?
 
That's a hard fact now
(god I miss the ability to downvote in chat)
 
Lazy evaluation is cool
 
2:54 PM
@sehe Just my opinion.
 
@Xeo waaaaaa :/ how am I going to enforce all the resource classes to have common interface then :(
 
Ah
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Should a resource really know about how it was loaded? I don't think so.
 
firstly
 
Xeo
I mean, what did you plan on doing inside Resource::Load anyways?
 
2:54 PM
deferred execution totally sucks when you're dealing with exceptions
 
Wait, your Load function is basically Init, no?
 
and secondly
 
@Xeo In my current design, Resource is an abstract base class
 
a bunch of stuff can't really be done effectively lazily anyway, like sorting
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it takes a loader right now, reads the data from it and constructs itself
 
2:55 PM
@DeadMG You know; save your breath. I know how lazy complicates things - it is in essence often premature optimization. However, it is also crazy useful if you know what you're doing. Hello C++?
 
@DeadMG Why's that?
 
I know no RAII and so on, but that's hardly the point here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It changes the semantics. That could be the win, IMO. Of course, if you're going to handle the errors, you have to be prepared for much more 'delayed' exceptions. IOW: you have to know what you're doing
 
@sehe I would completely agree with you if laziness did not have to be guaranteed by adaptors.
 
@Xeo All classes (such as Model, Shader or Texture) inherit the Resource class, which guarantees they can be loaded from a loader object
 
2:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because the exception is completely dislocated from the actual place the problem occurred with the bad data.
 
@DeadMG It has to be documented. Some adaptors totally suck if not lazy.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz And why don't you just register the loaders for a specific resource? Why should the resources bother how the fuck they are loaded / created?
 
@DeadMG I don't know whether it has to be guaranteed. I just seem to remember something like that - and it explains the absense of sorted
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like what?
 
All the trivial ones.
 
2:57 PM
@Xeo uhm... You mean like ShaderLoader for Shader and so on?
I thought it makes sense, the resource knows how to construct itself after all
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... could you be more specific?
 
And if it gets just a range of data...
 
r | filter(p) | transform(prj) is painful with eager filter and transform.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG transformed, reversed, filtered.
I mean, why would you copy the stuff when you can just get a changed view on it?
 
@Xeo Presumably, in case someone else decided to mutate it in the time since you decided to create that view, especially if that mutation was, say, concurrent.
 
2:59 PM
That's irrelevant.
 

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