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3:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, well, I'm gonna blame that on me being tired and partially hungover.
 
I didn't have a problem with it
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm glad I saved the day.
 
@EtiennedeMartel going to work and being hung over, that must suck.
 
@TonyTheLion In Ireland, we call it work
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@thecoshman Thanks for the badge.
 
3:01 PM
@TonyTheLion which is why it is so wonderful when a politician goes out there and publicly states his utterly insane opinions and beliefs
 
@thecoshman gee gee
 
@jalf lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which one?
 
@thecoshman oh wow.
 
@DeadMG o_0
 
3:01 PM
That should be applauded. Now people at least know what they're getting if they vote for him
that's more than you can say for a lot of politicians
 
@thecoshman Good Question, for 25 upvotes.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf You do sound like you're pissed in that comment.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but it's only on meta, so it doesn't count
 
Now I'm gonna bounty that shit.
 
@TonyTheLion If you realize you're insane, you're by definition sane and most likely only depressed at that point for thinking you're insane.
 
3:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel yeah. it was the second fake code question in a row
 
Catch-22 is a satirical and somewhat historical novel by the American author Joseph Heller. He began writing it in 1953, and the novel was first published in 1961. It is set during World War II in 1943 and is frequently cited as one of the great literary works of the twentieth century. It uses a distinctive non-chronological third person omniscient narration, describing events from different characters' points of view and out of sequence so that the time line develops along with the plot. The novel follows Captain John Yossarian, a U.S. Army Air Forces B-25 bombardier. Most of the even...
 
@Neil sane ception. But yes, that's a good point.
 
It's easy to realize you're insane: just look at your SAN score.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is it
 
@EtiennedeMartel My favorite book!
 
3:04 PM
@Cicada It's a reference to the Call of Cthulhu RPG. It's the measure of a character's sanity.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My god! You're in SAN!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do all Cthulhu-related games have some sort of sanity meter or score?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How would I fare
 
@EtiennedeMartel Obviously.
 
@Neil Hmm...psychiatrists don't really recognize "insane" as a meaningful term anymore. The closest real ailment would probably be shizophrenia -- but many (most?) schizophrenics realize they have a problem (at least part of the time).
 
3:05 PM
@Cicada How would I know? It's not a measure of the player's sanity, it's a measure of the character's sanity.
 
@Cicada Lets put it this way. Would you believe me if I told you you were really talking to yourself in a corner right now?
 
You'd think people would be able to not turn mad when looking at non euclidian geometry, what with MC Escher's work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh shit.
 
@Cicada Terribly.
 
@JerryCoffin Well the problem with insanity is that it can be temporary
 
3:06 PM
@Neil According to Plato and the Myth of the Cavern, it's entirely possible. So yes, I would.
 
@Cicada There's a sci-fi remake of that. It's called The Matrix.
 
@Cicada As my brother would sometimes say, "You sure you're okay? You did hit your head awfully hard..."
 
I wonder when they will make a sequel.
 
@Neil For once, I was being serious.
 
3:07 PM
@Neil Shizophrenia (unfortunately) isn't. Insanity (as defined by courts) is pretty much whatever a defense lawyer can convince 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty that it should mean.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, me too. Although the movie was already very well self-contained. So I wonder how they would go without making something that looks like a quick cash grab.
 
@Cicada You want to talk philosophy, imaginary friend?
@JerryCoffin Yeah, unfortunately it has taken on a very legal meaning more than anything else.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, at least https works with image links
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the point? how bounty can help with implementing that feature?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, you don't get it (which is exactly the point).
@Abyx No fucking idea. It gives more attention. I don't really care, it's meta rep.
 
3:09 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never read any of Lovecraft's work, by the way.
 
@thecoshman Hey, I posted a funny reply to your comment. Now upvote it.
 
The only things I know of Cthulhu, I know them through pop culture osmosis.
 
@Cicada link or it didn't happen
 
Did someone call me? — Cicada 1 min ago
 
@EtiennedeMartel I read all of Lovecraft's short stories because I had always heard about Cthulhu
 
3:10 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Lucky you. Somebody convinced me to try reading Lovecraft once. Haven't spoken to him since.
 
@EtiennedeMartel FWIW, I don't understand why CoC is so popular. I don't think it's particularly good. I actually don't really like it much. I like a lot of the other stories.
 
He's not even the big badass.. he's like a high priest to the real nasty
 
Oh great, now we need to get pest control on the job! — thecoshman 28 secs ago
 
I wonder if you could shoot him with anti-aircraft cannons.
 
<spoilers>You can drive it back to its dead slumber by ramming it with a boat</spoilers>
 
3:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes CoC is a rather poor compared to his other stuff
 
posted on October 24, 2012

I will discuss how to use class invariants to make software more reliable.

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That sounds anti-climactic.
 
@JerryCoffin your too simple
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, it is. Didn't I tell you I don't like that story much.
 
Sometimes I really wonder what the chat developer is busy doing. Not to say he's lazy or anything, but seriously, how hard can it be to fix that bug with https oneboxing?
 
3:12 PM
There really needs more stories where the ultra big bad with scary powers shows up and get insta-crushed by humanity, thus prompting the whole "humans are the real monsters" oh-so-subtle aesop.
 
@Cicada he's lazy
 
@thecoshman He's probably French.
OH YES I DID.
 
@EtiennedeMartel There are no aesops in the Cthulhu Mythos. Humanity is just doomed and insignificant.
 
@EtiennedeMartel did he run away?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Balpha's German AFAIK.
 
3:13 PM
@Cicada Then he's probably not lazy, is he?
 
@EtiennedeMartel He's probably stuffed with sausages then
 
@EtiennedeMartel Humanity is supposed to be ants on an anthill to the hidden threat
 
@Cicada can't be German, he would every link ever one boxing by now
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I heard it's pretty dark, which turns me off immensely. I like dark stories as long as there's a light at the end of the tunnel, ya know.
 
3:14 PM
@thecoshman did you a word? or am i just your phrase
 
@Cicada potato
 
You know, if you're into C#, stack exchange is hiring telecommuters. You could fix that chat yourself.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, then no, you probably won't like them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pfff, I'm the opposite. I've seen too many chick flicks to want to see them all end in flames, tears, and destroyed lives
 
If you want to try anyway, I would probably recommend The Whisperer in Darkness instead of CoC.
 
3:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Those kind of stories always makes me feel like the author wasn't loved enough during his life and takes away his frustrations on his characters.
 
@kbok Are they? i'd love to see how it works
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Alright, gonna note that.
@Cicada Probably CIL code running on a Windows server that generates HTML and JavaScript.
 
@EtiennedeMartel are american? you need to have a happy ending to everything? is it too real when shit just goes wrong and everything fucks up and the all is doomed?
 
@thecoshman Yes, he's American.
 
everything is the will of god
 
3:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, that explains it then :P
 
Actually I'd probably if (post.User.Name == "Cicada") post.AddStars(int.MaxValue);
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf take the filthy talk else where!
 
In CoC, there's J. Edgar Hoover though, man
 
3:18 PM
@thecoshman FWIW, most characters survive with some semblance of sanity. At least enough sanity to recount their tale, since many stories are narrated post hoc by the protagonist.
 
@thecoshman I'd say it's more like "earn your happy ending". You got your characters fighting against all odds in something that's bigger then them, might as well at least give them something bittersweet, but not "fuck you all".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true, and most stories, just end
 
Anyway, I'm just incredibly idealistic. I want to see the good guys win.
 
> Employees will never be poked with a sharp stick
 
> Proven telecommuting skills: self-motivating, self-directing, and aggressively communicative
I think I qualify for the "aggressively" part of communication
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3:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel most of Lovecraft's work is portraying the plight of humanity
 
@Neil In CoC? I don't recall that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You escape the city and return with Hoover and some police officers
 
@Neil That's probably The Shadow Over Innsmouth.
 
Of course you're rambo so you're the one who is the frontman and consequently saves the world
 
@Neil You're talking about a video game, right?
 
3:21 PM
@thecoshman Most of Lovecraft's "work" portrays little more than Lovecraft's nearly-nonexistent writing ability.
 
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth is a survival horror video game developed by Headfirst Productions and published by Bethesda Softworks, in conjunction with 2K Games, for the PC and Xbox systems. In development since 1999, the game was finally published in 2005, first for the Xbox, in the version officially compatible with the Xbox 360 in certain regions. The PC version followed in 2006, but the PlayStation 2 version was canceled in 2002. Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth mixes a relatively realistic first-person shooter game with psychological horror in an attempt to i...
 
@JerryCoffin oooh burn
 
@Neil Yeah, that game adapts The Shadow Over Innsmouth and The Shadow Out of Time.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good for them
 
There's not a single element from the story known as CoC in it (because CoC sucks, did I mention that?).
 
3:22 PM
@thecoshman Simple fact. I'd call it sophomoric crap, but that would be an insult to sophomores.
 
Innsmouth makes for a good story
 
a good stroy, yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks for the caustic reply. I know that game by CoC
 
@Cicada shut up
 
@Neil I wasn't trying to be caustic. I was just trying to explain that we were not talking about the same thing.
 
3:23 PM
@thecoshman oblige me!
 
@Cicada huh?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, well I wasn't trying to convince you it was the same game
You're the one insisting what I said couldn't be true
 
I'm not. I'm trying to avoid a diplomatic incident, not cause one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're heading the boring way
 
@Cicada It appears I am failing, so...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes As with Jerry Springer, profanity and nudity are allowed, but diplomacy is prohibited!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well no harm done, though I don't quite understand what offended you, honestly
 
Nothing offended me, don't worry. Ok, here's the thing. You said Hoover was on CoC. I said it isn't. Then I realized where you got the idea from and was trying to explain that Hoover is not on CoC the story, but is on CoC the video game, which is what caused confusion.
That's all.
We were victims of a marketing ploy.
 
It's all the System's fault.
 
3:28 PM
Damn marketing ploy! *shakes fist at the sky*
 
shoot me
 
@TonyTheLion With what?
 
a gun
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'M NOT A PART OF THE SYSTEM
 
I'm an aduuuuult!
 
3:28 PM
@Cicada We did that once.
 
so I am free of this SQL + C++ mix of boring work
 
@TonyTheLion Why are you still working there, then?
 
@EtiennedeMartel flat tenancy agreement is minimum 6 months
without this job I can't pay the rent
so I'm stuck for another 4 months
 
Maybe I'm just used to being in a city where there's more work than people, but I don't understand why you would get fucked by a job you hate.
 
@Cicada I threw it on the ground!
 
3:30 PM
Grooouuuund!
 
Whatcha think I'm STOOPID?
 
@EtiennedeMartel this isn't exactly a city where I live, it's a tiny little town with nothing besides old people
 
This ain't my dad! This is a cell phone!
 
@EtiennedeMartel what is this mythical place?
 
@thecoshman Montreal
 
3:31 PM
@DeadMG ah
too cold
too American
 
@TonyTheLion I live in a practicaly a retirement community, too.
 
Are you retired?
 
@EtiennedeMartel In the IT field there's always more work than people
 
No, but it seems pretty much everyone else is.
 
user142019
Man.
 
3:33 PM
 
Women.
 
@DeadMG There's a reason it has fewer people than jobs -- but it's not bad as long as you don't mind snow 10 months out of the year (and mosquitoes the size of eagles the rest of the time).
 
user142019
Cabal is already half an hour busy installing all dependencies for Snap.
 
@DeadMG I forgot to wish you "Happy birthday to the ground!" the other day.
 
@Cicada there is?
 
user142019
3:33 PM
Aaaand it’s done.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't think you get mosquitos and snow. They don't mix.
 
ffs, is there somewhere else I can download the JRE? it's gonna take half an hour to get it from the official website...
 
@thecoshman At least here in Frantce, yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was his birthday?
 
yes
like, three days ago
 
3:34 PM
@Cicada stupid France speaking French
 
WELL, THEN.
 
@DeadMG "the rest of the time" -- when the snow melts, the mosquitoes hatch.
 
ah
 
@thecoshman It's the rest of the world who doesn't speak french, duh!
 
@DeadMG fuck sake, would you stop gong on about it :P
 
3:34 PM
@thecoshman In Paris you can get away with speaking only English though
 
@Cicada something highways and cars and you are wrong!
 
@thecoshman Dafuq- I didn't bring it up
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Happy post-birthday DeadMG! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
@thecoshman I brought it up, man.
 
yeah
 
3:35 PM
oh noes, and it goes back on the tag line
 
@DeadMG In Minnesota, however, I'm not so sure they may not mix...
 
blame the robot, it's all his fault, beat him up and steal his moneys
 
Hahahaha.
 
huh... apparently you take me seriously
 
lol
are you a big joke then?
 
3:35 PM
oh, wait, am I the only guy who does that habitually to annoying people?
 
@DeadMG Hey, I can take a beating (read: no, I can't, I'm really frail), but do they have to make me poor as well?
 
@TonyTheLion fuck
 
Why would anyone take a pirate seriously? He's only there to drink our beer and rape our women.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You already are, you're poortuguese, remember?
 
woman FTFY
 
3:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pirates drink grog.
 
do what?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Negligible, really. Those women's bodies have mechanisms to prevent pregnancy through rape, you know.
 
@EtiennedeMartel rum
 
3:36 PM
@Cicada Ow.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rum, grog is for poor pirates
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's a modern pirate. Which means he drinks beer and legitimately rape women.
 
@DeadMG Yeah with spikes and stuff.
 
and those who want to actually get stuff done other then drink
 
Do we have some kind of erase_if somewhere ?
 
3:37 PM
@kbok remove_if.
 
erase + remove_if?
 
The erase-remove idiom is a common C++ technique to eliminate elements that fulfill a certain criterion from a C++ Standard Library container . Motivation A common programming task is remove all elements that have a certain value or fulfill a certain criterion from a collection. In C++, this could be achieved using a hand-written loop. It is, however, preferred to use an algorithm from the C++ Standard Library for such tasks. The algorithm library provides the remove and remove_if algorithms for this. Because these algorithms operate on a range of elements denoted by two forward iter...
 
@Cicada Vagina dentata?
 
by the way
 
I never understood why they had to make that two functions
 
3:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't that a trope?
 
why is MSVC's implementation shitty :(
 
why not have just one erase that does ALL the WORK
 
An anti-rape device is one of a variety of devices invented for the purpose of preventing or deterring rape. The first such devices were the chastity belts of the 15th century. Recent designs have been inspired as a response to very high rates of rape in places like South Africa. Jaap Haumann An early prototypical anti-rape female tampon was invented in late 2000 by Jaap Haumann, a South African man, for the purpose of preventing rape. Haumann's device was designed to resemble a tampon for ease of insertion, and consisted of a hard cylindrical plastic core containing a tensioned spring bl...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I may have just developed a new phobia
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes :)
 
3:38 PM
@DeadMG because MSVC
 
@DeadMG To maintain backward compatibility with existing shittiness, of course.
@TonyTheLion There is -- std::list::remove actually erases elements. You just have to put up with std::list to get it.
 
user142019
@DeadMG because 10000 layers of management.
 
@JerryCoffin urgh
 
actually feeling kinda tempted to implement something like std::vector, std::deque, etc myself
 
What's wrong with MSVC's vector?
 
3:40 PM
@Cicada funny how most anti-rape devices have probably found their way into BDSM
 
for example, they check for empty() in pop(), even though an empty pop is UB.
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
OVARHHEAD
 
also, they have needless branches in stuff like push_back
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's made by Microsoft, and they're evil, as you know.
 
3:41 PM
also Microsoft
 
@EtiennedeMartel I mean, for a non-assignable container. Think map
 
std::map and Haskell map are quite different things, even though they have the same name. Meh
 
@kbok Why would you use remove_if on a std::map?
 
user142019
@DeadMG what about EA’s implementation? Can’t you use that? Not sure if it supports C++11 though.
 
^ this was the ony with the horseradish, one of my favourites
 
3:43 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, no, it's made by Dinkumware (P.J. Plauger and, formerly, Pete Becker).
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, right. Forgot about that.
 
...std::chrono is great, but when it comes to unit-testing, it's just a fucking global state. wrap-all-the-things, dammit =(
 
@kbok Can't hotlink to TVTropes.
 
Well, they're probably evil as well.
 
@EtiennedeMartel To remove all elements that fullfill a condition
 
3:44 PM
@Abyx I unit-tested chrono based stuff before.
I guess it depends on your design.
 
@kbok With an associative container? Well, I guess you'll have to roll your own.
 
And yes, I mean stuff using clocks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I test timers. I dont't want to sleep for some seconds in tests
 
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe you're running a cache and you want to remove all items in the map with a certain age
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, Pete did argue against something I said in a comment earlier today, so yeah, he's clearly evil (especially since he was at least partly right)!
 
3:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you learning?
 
I just noticed. "clocks" + bad kerning = "docks".
 
@thecoshman Learning what?
 
holy shit
why did I have to write so many tutorials
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not to link to tropes
 
@DeadMG whistles
 
3:46 PM
@DeadMG indeed, quality over quantity (he he he, tity)
 
@thecoshman What I meant was that images from TVTropes don't onebox.
 
@EtiennedeMartel "clocks + keming = docks" FTFY.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes rightly so
 
#include <wheels/stopwatch.h++>
h++
you're a filthy person
 
3:47 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, well.
 
@Cicada Yes, I am awesome.
 
I prefer hpp.
 
@JerryCoffin clicks
 
@Cicada Oh, you phallus-obsessed person you.
 
@EtiennedeMartel A deep subject for such a Canadian mind.
 
3:49 PM
@Cicada I honestly can't tell if that is c l i c k s or d i c k s
 
 
then you fail
 
@JerryCoffin It's cold here, man.
 
it's clearly clicks
 
@DeadMG that helps :(
 
3:49 PM
heh heh
c l icks
 
@DeadMG It's not clearly dicks.
 
user1182183
When is DeadMG birthday? ; o
 
^ because
 
three days previous
 
@DeadMG :)
 
user1182183
3:49 PM
aa
 
@GamErix Where in the post-birthday, which means his birthday has passed.
 
user1182183
post xD
 
user1182183
my birthday is in 2 days : <
 
so, what about a wheels::erase_if ?
 
@DeadMG would you drop it man! you keep bringing it up all the god damn time!
 
3:50 PM
We're
 
user1182183
the day after tomorrow
 
@GamErix you mean 2 days from now?
 
user1182183
26-10
 
@DeadMG My stomach hurts and it reminded me of your situation.
 
@kbok wheels is open source, why not write it yourself?
 
3:51 PM
@kbok lol
 
@Rapptz Come back when crippling pain.
 
@kbok the day I noticed the bold words in the disney comics changed my life for ever
 
@GamErix what about it?
 
user1182183
anyway does anyone have a manual how to get the MP-011 mediaplayer from sitecom working on my TV? :/
 
user1182183
@thecoshman ny bday ;x
 
3:51 PM
Because, as we all know, you don't have any better things to do.
 
@GamErix meh
 
Most I'm getting is nausea.
 
@Cicada What do you mean you didn't see them ?
 
user1182183
or how to upgrade the firmware..
 
I like the new Bitbucket UI.
 
user1182183
3:52 PM
it's like sitecom deleted all the stuff about that mediaplayer ! ; o
 
@kbok Initially I wouldn't notice them. But the day i noticed the bold I couldn't unsee them and it was HORRIBLE
 
@Rapptz I've got used to it
It's not better, just different
 
@Cicada so much pain
 
@kbok (She's crazy)
 
@thecoshman It is better. The repo overview screen puts the readme first. That's much better IMO.
 
3:55 PM
@EtiennedeMartel oh non je ne le pas
 
suis FTFY
 
They also added diffs. iirc they never had em before.
 
@kbok I think that's part of the joke.
 
@kbok you suck at detecting humor
 
@Rapptz And inline comments on diffs!
 
3:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's almost entirely cosmetic though
 
(They had diffs before)
 
See? My joke-o-meter is still working despite my lack of sleep!
 
The pull request review page is idiotic though, takes for ever to load information you don't always care for
 
Forever? Are you using a 56k modem?
 
Indeed, I should get back to work.
 
3:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes and does it? I see the recent event history :S
 
@kbok work? What is that.
WHAT AM I.
 
oh wait.. tiny readme :P
 
@thecoshman Probably because you don't have a readme.
 
@Rapptz 28.8.
 
Greetings humans! Thank you for the fish!
 
3:57 PM
But when I look at, for example, bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/wheels/overview, I think it's much better.
 
dafuq is this "work" BS
 
A random visitor that comes upon that page will be more enlightened.
 
@DeadMG Ignore it. "Work" is just crazy talk.
 
And I love bacon.
 
crazy talk!
 
3:58 PM
@Chimera You're a dolphin?
@Chimera Bacon does not come from fish.
 
> Special thanks go to the person that goes by "Luc Danton"
@LucDanton It's sad the sheer number of people who'll never get the subtle pun of this nickname :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, I use a waterproof computer.
 
> Overall, they're not painting a picture of good mental healthcare in Grant City, not that Jack Slate has ever been a stranger to the People's Republic of Madbodia and its principal exports of mixed nuts and batshit.
 
@Cicada care to share?
 
Yeah I don't see a pun either
 

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