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6:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha
 
I'm at #256 here stackexchange.com/leagues/1/alltime/stackoverflow/2008-07-31/…. I wonder if I'll get a SO T-shirt sometime.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Do robots wear shirts?
 
@EtiennedeMartel they can collect them like anyone else
 
So just wondering, would CUDA be a reasonable choice to accelerate rendering of Mandelbrot and Julia sets and other fractals?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think they give them out from 128 down... :(
 
6:07 PM
@Chimera depends
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Congratulations...but probably not, but it'll probably take something other than that to get a T-shirt. T-shirts do not seem to be awarded based on merit. I have two, and you apparently don't have any, so they must not be!
 
@JerryCoffin lol, is that a compliment in disguise?
 
Anybody know why this question is being downvoted? It's not mine... just curious.
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Q: select() in a proxy server

user1354916I am building a proxy server in c and I'm trying to understand the select() function. I have the code done so that a connection is made from a client and then the web address is extracted so that another connection can be made to connect to the actual web server. The page is is then received by...

 
@Chimera If you're rendering the output to the screen anyway, you might as well write it as a shader.
 
AFAIK they're awarded based on rep, and you have almost three times as much.
 
6:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "disguise"? I don't see any...
 
@Chimera I'd wager it's because it's a bit of "debug my code for me".
 
@JerryCoffin Hmmm. Yes I will be rendering to the screen.
 
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah that sounds reasonable.
 
@rogcg And also source code for every software ever written. So we should sue pi.
 
6:10 PM
@EtiennedeMartel indeed
 
And it's also false.
 
Probably.
 
I mean, it's not necessarily false that pi doesn't have all that, but it's false that that means that.
There are too many instances of "that" in that sentence.
 
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how do we know it has every combination?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've never gotten on based on my rep on SO. One I got from Programmers.SE, but IIRC, everybody with 10K+ rep got one. The other I got simply by showing up at the grand opening of the Denver office. I'm pretty sure everybody who signed up (and showed up) got one though, regardless of rep. I recognized few enough others there that I doubt most of them had much rep.
 
6:12 PM
 
@JerryCoffin Oh.
 
we've all done this ^
 
I have one from Science Fiction and Fantasy, for being in the first n pages sorted by rep. But it appears that I borked the size when filling the form. Now I have a shirt that fits two of me.
 
@TonyTheLion Yup. Maybe Bob Dylan was wrong and we really do need a weatherman to tell us which way the wind blows.
 
6:13 PM
@rogcg Take a the decimal which is made up of sequences of 2's and 3s: .232233222333.... It's infinite and non repeating (since each subsequence of a number is successively longer than its previous one). Obviously it doesn't contain anything else than 2's and 3's.
 
@TonyTheLion I didn't.
I never check that. It doesn't always end up well, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes can't trade it in?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but you're a robot
 
@MooingDuck Hmm. Maybe. But hassle.
 
6:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Having a wearable SO shirt would be worth the hassle to me :/
 
I'll look at the bright side: if I ever get fat, I already have something to wear.
@MooingDuck It's from scifi.se, not SO.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes *SE
 
@TonyTheLion You failed the Turing test.
 
@rogcg There was a question on Math.SE last week or so -- with answers debunking the assertion as made, but pointing out that it's probably true in this case anyway. The question is whether Pi is "normal" or not, and consensus is that it probably is, but nobody's proved it.
 
Is there a Stack Exchange site where I can get suggestions on products?
 
6:17 PM
Anyway, no, it's not true in this case anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just get it wet and throw it in the dryer, cranked up to high, and see if it doesn't shrink enough to fit at least a little closer.
 
It's blatantly false.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We know, I've already provided a counter example!
 
@LuchianGrigore do you really need to link to Stack Exchange? XD We know what it is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Turn it into a dress!
 
6:18 PM
I'm sure that converted to ASCII text it cannot contain the name of every person everyone will ever love.
 
@LuchianGrigore Not sure, but I think product recommendations are avoided in general.
 
@daknøk it's as easy as writing SE between []...
 
@rogcg i don't think so. it's the same fallacy as in the laws of thermodynamics, assuming that the systems under consideration behave randomly. for particles that's untrue by inspection, while for pi digit generation we don't know. but it would not surprise me if there are digit sequences that just can't occur.
 
Because, you know, ASCII.
 
@LuchianGrigore SEriously? Stack Exchange
Oh lol cool.
 
6:18 PM
:))
 
!
 
@daknøk Works for all sites: [so] [sf] [su] [se] [mso] [scifi.se]
 
cool
 
 
6:20 PM
@LuchianGrigore why?
 
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Q: C++ Help for pointer especially "->" operator

user1757052Hi guys I have a problem with "->" operator . Here is my code : and OfferingPair * weeklySchedule ; decleared inside of Schedule class and OfferingPair is decleared inside a header file. struct OfferingPair { Offering * off ; OfferingPair * nextOff ; } Schedule::Sche...

 
Oh dupe.
WTF is wrong with Google Chrome and why does it take two seconds to start up.
 
@LucDanton No, I meant that it's false that the digits of pi converted to ASCII text cannot contain the name of every person everyone will ever love, etc.
 
Anyone have any comments on Asus tablets?
 
I'm sure someone out there loves someone with a name that cannot be rendered in ASCII.
 
6:23 PM
Even Unicode might not be enough!
 
Not saying it is :P
AFAIK Unicode doesn't cover non-written languages.
They did that hack for Native American languages, but there are more.
 
@LucDanton the only and clear difference is that pi doesn't have only 2 and 3. so your argument has no base. ;)
 
non-written languages?
 
@rogcg His argument is that the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.
@DeadMG Yes, those exist.
 
I see, so you suck at logic then.
Say, how come I found no wg21 paper on extensions to std::future? I hear Sutter commenting everywhere that there are not featureful enough to be convenient primitives (true enough), but hasn't anyone sent something to fix that?
 
6:26 PM
Sign languages are the most obvious example.
 
I think it follows, because pi is non-repeating
 
Hi
 
@DeadMG So is 0.23223322233322223333...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right.
 
@LucDanton and I see you don't understand presuppositions.. whatever.. I don't want to discuss who has the reason here.. I dont care for that..
 
6:28 PM
But there were some cultures that had no written form for their spoken language.
 
@rogcg What?
 
Native Americans were one, and there was recent movement to create one such written form for writing stuff about them and such.
 
There should still be tbh.
 
Have to go.
Have fun.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Later.
 
6:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tchau.
 
@DeadMG can you construct a non-repeating sequence of decimal digits that never contains "000"? sure. one extremely simple way is to not use the digit 0.
hence, conclusion proved false
 
except pi does indeed include all digits.
 
@DeadMG can you prove it also contains all patterns/sequences?
 
@DeadMG True, but just because it doesn't repeat doesn't mean there isn't some kind of pattern which prevents it from including all possible sequences
 
@DeadMG u now, that was an "extremely simple way", perhaps the simplest. a slightly less simple way is to delete "000" wherever it occurs in sequence A, to produce sequence B.
 
6:32 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf You can't do that, because it's an infinite sequence. Deleting those would take an infinite amount of time.
 
oh well, that proves that pi doesn't exist, u cannot ever not generate it
 
@DeadMG I think you're missing his point
 
Can't you construct a new sequence defined as the old sequence modified?
 
@MooingDuck Sure. Cantor's Diagonal Proof, the first proof of infinity, and the proof of the Halting Problem's impossibility both reside on this principle.
 
@DeadMG they reside on pi containing every possible sequence of digits? Even infinite ones?
 
6:33 PM
What would you use the diagonal proof for, prove that there is a digit of pi that is not in 0-9?
 
Are you guys discussing this?
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Q: Does Pi contain all possible number combinations?

Ritwik GI came across the following image, which states: $\pi$ Pi Pi is an infinite, nonrepeating (sic) decimal - meaning that every possible number combination exists somewhere in pi. Converted into ASCII text, somewhere in that infinite string if digits is the name of every person you w...

 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Well, it points out that the reasoning is flawed but puts not assumption on the conclusion!
 
@LucDanton No. The diagonal proof is based on the fact that an infinite set contains all possible finite sequences.
 
@DeadMG I disagree, my understanding is that the diagonal proof is based on no such thing.
 
@LucDanton hm. what does mean?
 
6:37 PM
@MooingDuck Sure. The whole point of the proof, for something like the Halting Problem, is that the function which solves the halting problem isn't in the set and therefore cannot be a finite series of instructions for a Turing Machine.
that's how the diagonal argument proves that the Halting Problem cannot be solved
 
@DeadMG: The Math.se site linked says that it is widely believed that "every possible string occurs somewhere in [pi's] expansion" but not proven.
 
DeadMG will not ever correctly state that this sentence is true.
 
@thecoshman my name on the forum is the same as here :)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf That sounds like a paradoxical sentence.
 
@Rapptz It is, actually.
 
6:40 PM
well it's true
so far
 
it's the same as the "You are smarter than Roger Penrose" proof
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Example of flawed reasoning that attains a correct conclusion: "cats don't like carrots, I don't like carrots, hence I'm not a cat". You can demonstrate that the logic is silly (frogs don't like carrots but are not cats) but I really am not a cat.
 
@LucDanton s/I'm not/I'm
 
@LucDanton That logic is fine...
am I crazy?
 
6:42 PM
Yes.
 
> Let me ask you something, Doc. Does thinking you're the only sane man left in the world make you crazy?
 
Took me all that time to find an example and I got it wrong. I'm not surprised.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's a good line actually.
Do they say that in Looney Tunes?
 
Oh well the point is that if it turns out that pi does contain every sequence of digits then that would not be by virtue of being a non-terminating, non-repeating sequence alone. Also if it doesn't turn out that way.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No.
 
6:45 PM
@DeadMG That's a creative interpretation.
 
is that sarcastic, or?
 
@Rapptz Comes from I, Robot (the movie they made with the same title as an Asimov story despite having little to no connection to it).
 
@LucDanton the network disappeared for a while here. so not sure what i posted got through (it's not shown). but anyway, i wondered about what you mean, and mentioned old names of these kinds of reasoning, and ludvig holberg's story about erasmus montanus. i just can't place the referent?
@EtiennedeMartel yes
 
@EtiennedeMartel That sounded like something a philosophical Bugs Bunny would say.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I'm sure it's but a slip up but you did say "hence the conclusion is false". Simply put we know nothing about the conclusion that pi does or does not contain every sequence of digits.
@DeadMG Not necessarily. But answering by 'yes it is' or 'no it isn't' would require much effort, so that's the next best thing.
 
6:51 PM
well, think about it
balls
 
sbi
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It seems I missed quite some excitement this afternoon.
 
@sbi Oh yessss.
 
my explanation, I realized, was only half-formed and completely nonsensical
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Well, hold on to your hat, because I've read through a lot of it, and have things to say. You have been warned.
@jalf I like this blog posting's arguing.
 
@sbi Yeah, I'm probably going to get flak. I deserve most of it.
 
sbi
6:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are a wimp. I'm at #158.
@EtiennedeMartel Are you flying?
 
@sbi Physically, no.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Then why would you expect flak?
 
@melak47 ok then, I just wanted to make sure, expect approval :P
 
@thecoshman yay :)
 
@sbi It was a metaphor. Don't you have an artistic side?
 
6:55 PM
excellent, I got my C++03 project at work down to 1 delete, in a struct to free a new allocated from another library.
 
@melak47 oh :( "You are not allowed to manage this group."
 
@thecoshman haha, ok
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I am an artist of German words. And fear of a "Fliegerabwehrkanone" doesn't make sense unless you're flying.
 
@melak47 you will have to catch the @cat
you can totally get flak when not flying
silly monkeys :P
 
E.g. when driving a tank.
 
6:57 PM
@sbi The German language really seems to be designed by people with a crippling fear of whitespace.
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@JerryCoffin You mean he's obsessed with porn, too? (Because, after so many years being around young men in this room, this it what seems normal to me now.)
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, such a nice statement. Have a star! Also, I noticed you avoided my argument.
 
Tasty beer who's name I am not so sure how say 'Asahi'
 
sbi
21 hours ago, by thecoshman
@thecoshman you move @DeadCicada
@thecoshman You are addressing yourself in the 3rd person to tell you that you move the insect? Really, what am I supposed to think about that?
 
@sbi Another couple hundred reputation and I'll be ahead of you
 
@sbi shut it
 
sbi
6:59 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, but I have given maybe a dozen answers in the last year.
 
@sbi I'm like that.
 

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