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11:00 AM
man
thats effort
 
it may pay off though
 
indeed
but what would pay off best is if I just went back to the doctor in this area
 
that too
but I think I recall having this conversation with you on several occasions already
 
indeed
hmm
I need a new example for exception safety
 
is make_shared not a good example?
 
11:10 AM
no
I need something much more primitive, I moved it up
 
ah
hmmmm
 
FILE *f = fopen("meh", "r");
myvector.at(42); // fuck
fclose(f);
 
void foo() noexcept(true)
does not throw exceptions
 
@TonyTheLion noexcept
 
naw
 
11:11 AM
What kind of thing are you looking for?
 
I'd have to have covered both the Standard library and cstdio and pointers
 
@DeadMG An example with a constructor that leaks?
 
@DeadMG but isn't a prereq to exception safety, no matter how you turn or twist it?
don't try to teach things in the wrong order, because that'll confuse people
 
dunno, conceptually there's nothing specific to any of those things about exception safety
 
RAII?
 
11:13 AM
and it's not like it's hard to get confused about this stuff
 
I already got exceptions, that was easy enough
maybe I'll put exception safety later
 
But puppy.
Don’t you explain exception safety here already?
 
no
that page (used to) occur after exceptions and exception safety
and indeed, writing your own resource-handling classes, as it's contrasting them
 
Oh okay.
 
but I'm definitely changing that
also merged the needless Resource and Container sections into one big section on the Standard Library
 
11:22 AM
What's the deal with 3G tablets?
Why would you but one that has 3G instead of one that just has wireless?
anyone?
 
... to use it in places where you can't get wifi?
like, practically everywhere?
 
@LuchianGrigore Wireless is generally only available in "known" location. You have wireless at home, and offices and probably cafes and such. But if you're just walking around the city (or outside a city), there either won't be wifi, or you won't know the password to use it
 
And you need a sim for that, right?
 
think so
 
the difference is around 100-150 euros
:(
 
11:25 AM
also wifi generally drains the battery faster, afaik
but in the end, it depends on your usage pattern. If you know you're only likely to use it in places where you can get on wifi, then it's less of an issue
 
That depends
I plan on using one as a GPS
 
@jalf Really? I thought 3G consumed more than WiFi
 
not only GPS, of course
but do you need an internet connection to use the GPS?
on my phone, for example, I do
but it uses google maps
 
@DeadCicada Just what I vaguely remember hearing. I could be wrong ;)
 
@LuchianGrigore The internet connection is there for the map data
 
11:27 AM
And if there's no GPS connection, the phone connection can be used to approximate your location
 
yes yes
but do you need a connection for a tablet when using the GPS
 
What do you mean "GPS connection"? I thought it was 1 way only D: oboy
 
I see how that's important for a phone
 
@DeadCicada GPS signal then
You need to be able to receive the signal
@LuchianGrigore why would it be different for a tablet? Doesn't it still need an internet connection for the same things? It still streams the map data on the fly
 
Well, I assume a tablet has much more storage than a phone
so you can just download the maps
 
11:30 AM
Nah
There's a prefetch system, but you don't download all the maps
It gets huge very fast
 
@LuchianGrigore Nowhere near enough.
yes, a tablet has much more storage than a phone, but maps data for everywhere you might care to go is terabytes and terabytes of storage
 
Okay... how do regular GPS's work then?
@DeadMG not everywhere...
 
@LuchianGrigore They give your co-ordinates, rather than a map.
or do you mean the satellite navigation for cars?
 
^ that's the one
GPS...
:d
or rather, we just call it GPS
 
yeah
the difference is that they only function in a given area
you can't take one to a foreign nation without doing... something to it
unlike the GPS on your phone or tablet, which "just works" for any Internet-connected area on the planet.
 
11:39 AM
@LuchianGrigore They have a built-in map for a limited region.
 
Limited... as in just Europe?
 
and their map can become outdated, for example
 
Because that'd do... :)
I know you can change/update maps
 
@LuchianGrigore Depends... it says when you buy it. And as DeadMG said, their maps can get outdated.
 
@LuchianGrigore No, just the specific nation in which it was sold
if even that
 
11:40 AM
I doubt that... I'm sure there's systems with maps for a whole continent
 
Maps on the other side is completely hosted by Google, so updates are transparent to the user and you don't store anything (besides a small cache / prefetch on your phone).
@LuchianGrigore That's tens of gigabytes, maybe more.
I'll try prefetching a french area, let me see the size
 
Paris is 35 MB so um... I may be wrong
 
@LuchianGrigore there probably are, but they probably cost more as well. :)
Normally, you certainly shouldn't expect to get complete map coverage of Europe if you buy a GPS device
 
much less for a tablet...
okay guise thanks
 
11:52 AM
@LuchianGrigore A tablet will give you complete map coverage of the known universe provided you have data access.
 
assuming no data access
my dilemma was whether or not I should get a 3G tablet or not
 
Buy a paper map then
 
^ funneh
 
if you travel
then absolutely yes
no way you can depend on wifi in an unknown area
 
Just get a Nexus 7
(If I were to buy a tablet that's the one I'd get)
 
11:56 AM
Nexus 7 oh God what a waste of money.
 
if I were to buy a tablet I'd smack myself over the head
or possibly check myself into some kind of rehabilitation
 
I have a tablet. Can’t say I’ve ever used it for anything worth getting a tablet for.
Sometimes I read the news on it and that’s it.
I haven’t used my iPod either since I have a laptop.
 
o rly? they're very different form factor
 
Yup.
But I cannot use my iPod to listen to music, since the socket is broken, and surfing the web on my laptop is a factor 1000000 better.
 
11:59 AM
well, I'd really suggest "Fix yo damn iPod"
 
@LuchianGrigore My bad, I thought it had. Then don't get it.
 

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