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Q: Is it a good idea to skip upvoted answers in the Low Quality Answers queue?

user16217248I noticed that upvoted answers are not deleted via review in Low Quality Answers. A moderator ends up deleting the post anyway, invalidating the task. Here is an example: If such upvoted, low quality answers have to be deleted by moderators anyway, is there any reason to not Skip the task outrig...

 
3:10 AM
re: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/424129/15497888 Does it actually raise an auto-flag? I feel like it would just delete "from review" like normal though I can't find an example of either case at the moment....
 
3:35 AM
@HenryEcker it does; it raises a disputed low quality review flag (name might be paraphrased)
 
@RyanM So in addition to when a user overrides deletion from review by unilaterally undeleting their post, that same disputed low quality review flag is also raised prior to deletion when the answer is positively scored so that a mod can delete it instead of review?
That doesn't make any sense.
 
That's correct
 
Well that's super confusing to have the same flag mean two very different things at very different phases in the process.
 
I think, to its credit, that the text of the flag says which occurred.
 
(I am also now once again wishing it were easy to look through previously handled flags as it'd be great to be able to pull an example...)
@RyanM Oh that's good there's details at least.
 
 
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4:46 AM
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Q: Install SSL certificate

shubham mainiis there any way I can install the SSl certificates without admin permissions, so that I can run asp.net project on my local machine.

 
 
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7:22 AM
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Q: How to add a company in Stack Overflow?

Didier68I don't find how to add a company in Stack Overflow, at https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/companies?

 
 
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10:04 AM
@NordineLotfi DF used to be ascii-only :')
 
May you still grumble only mildly at inclement weather.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I know :) I never played it but I did watch some gameplay of it before (or a lot, depends on how you look at it)
 
Ah
@Andreasdetestscensorship It's 88.2 hours btw :p Tried checking yesterday, but the steam app didn't want to show me my library
 
10:33 AM
@NordineLotfi You can also try Rimworld. From the screenshots, I think it uses the same engine as Cataclysm. It is in many ways a streamlined Dwarf Fortress. But in space. Although, there isn't much in the way of "fortress" part but some of the core ideas of DF like pawns having different skillsets and personalities are still in.
Also, lots of modding potential for Rimworld. Some are mostly cosmetic and QOL improvements, like showing some information better. Others alter the mechanics.
The vanilla Rimworld focuses more on survival and trying to scrounge up resources in scarcity. Although, you can install mods that add more resource generation in which case it shifts more towards "Sims in space where the pawns occasionally try to kill each other if they are unhappy"
Play how you like.
 
@VLAZ yeah, I also heard about that one. (was about to mention it earlier too)
there also this one I found a year ago: store.steampowered.com/app/333640/Caves_of_Qud
overall, most of these games could be categorized as "rogue-like" (unless it is already the case).
@VLAZ yeah, this is true for the other similar games mentioned. All of them support modding. I noticed Rimworld changed the style of the tileset at some point though (mainly based on some gameplay I looked at). I guess it can be changed back using mods or whatnot
 
10:54 AM
@VLAZ Rimworld was inspired by DF
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yes, very much so.
 
 
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12:25 PM
I didn't post the comment, because it would be superfluous, possibly itself get flagged, and I already flagged the question
but
> Incidentally, I find it very interesting how much better your English got between
Sep 1 (when you were posting answers regularly before taking a break) and
Jan 27 (the next time you posted an answer).
I've seen this so many times and it's weird how people don't recognize how obvious they are.
 
those English classes are really paying off!
 
1:10 PM
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Q: How to review First Answers that repeat previously posted answers?

AndréI'm reviewing First answers and I noticed many of them are not really bringing new content. They are often the 3rd or 4th answer to a question that already have 2 or 3 acceptable answers and often repeat what is written on other answers. My options are: accept (Looks OK), edit, leave a comment (s...

 
@aynber And in three short months! English is so easy to learn.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Since December, you said? 88 / 120 * 60 = 45 minutes per day. That's doable. I'm happy my other computer with the big numbers (game time), isn't next to me. I don't wanna look at how many <s>precious</s> hours of my life I wasted. Or, well, my life wasn't precious during which I wasted all that time, but hey, fun time!
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship No, the 29th of March
Exactly 14 days today
 
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Q: Possible bug in first questions review queue

DanizavtzI'm experiencing an odd behaviour in first questions queue. It skips items from queue without being reviewed. To reproduce the problem just head to first questions queue and click in review tasks. Just the act of click will remove the question from review queue. I could check that it does not inc...

 
1:27 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine 88 hours in 14 days? Oh, that's over 6 hours per day. Welcome to my world!
 
It's significantly higher than I normally play :p has been easter though, so haven't had as much to do
 
*jots down "Zoe is most likely not the Easter bunny. Claims there isn't much to do at Easter."*
 
@VLAZ unless the bunny is deliberately trying to get you off the trail
 
Do I look like a bunny to you? :p
 
Bunny's wife?
 
1:37 PM
Maybe the Easter Bunny is a robot that Zoe programmed ages ago?
You might be a beach bunny, though.
 
@Andreasdetestscensorship I can neither confirm nor deny
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine that's what a bunny might say
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine See what Oleg said. The bunny has evaded me for too long. It's clever. Master of disguises. But soon...it will be wabbit season!
 
Duck season!
 
@VLAZ brb need to order some anvils for no reason in particular
 
1:43 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine I should hop back into my DF game some time
I only played for like an hour or so
 
I think I played around 3 games before I got a fortress that didn't die
 
whoa
I feel like the average is like 20
 
I had one that died because acquifer, one died to a siege, and one collapsed because food and drinks
I'm also excluding a couple I cancelled because the terrain was garbage
Didn't get into building anything, it was just embark, regret my decision, restart
I'm honestly surprised my current fort hasn't collapsed
had a bunch of humans try to steal my artefacts long before I had a military, so I got an untrained army of 10 dwarves killed, and almost ran out of drinks at one point. I'm up to a population of 150 all of the sudden, and my catacombs are getting big, but the fortress should have collapsed
 
I'm sure it will collapse soon
you will unearth some deep terror or something
 
1:58 PM
Oh, that reminds me, I killed my first successful fortress by digging to the bottom of the world
rendered at slideshow speeds though, so unfortunately didn't get to see everyone get killed
My army of 70 got slaughtered though
 
nice
 
2:32 PM
Solidly my proudest achievement :p
 
🚽
 
3:16 PM
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Q: How to handle a question that belongs to a different site in the Stack Exchange network, but that site is not available?

SumithranI recently came across a question where the OP was trying to change the IP address of a Django server running on different PCs. While this question does relate to programming in the sense that Django is being used, it seems more like a network configuration issue than a programming issue. When I ...

 
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Q: Add option to search for questions/posts without comments (in search, not SEDE)

The Amateur CoderThis search makes it clear that there's no way to search for questions without comments using the search bar on SO. Can we have the option to search for questions/posts without comments using the search bar? Something like comments:0? Or just a parameter with no value to be specified, like nocomm...

 
> Anyways, your comment doesn't matter, either.
Shots fired.
 
Bewm
 
4:09 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine I never got to the actual fortress part of DF. I played a bit but maybe half an hour to an hour. Didn't get anywhere. I did play a lot more of adventure mode, though.
I started grasping the mechanics and I finally had some character who survived more than five minutes. Well, with this awesome power, I decided to walk into a tomb and see what's in. Lich. Lich was in. Cast some spell and my character's organs and appendages started falling off. Then coming to life and attacking him. Well, that was the end of his adventure.
With my next character I got curious and went to the same tomb. When a mass of entrails started slithering towards me, I just booked it and ran.
 
4:32 PM
oh dear
 
4:43 PM
I've also been rolling a 20 on a D20 on artefacts
I've made 22 artefacts in 4 years
@VLAZ lmao
It's a real shame demotivational signs aren't possible in this game
I'm building a dungeon right next to the tomb and trash: i.stack.imgur.com/W3QOW.jpg
 
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Q: Is it bad practice to put an answer in an edit to your question?

esacI asked a question a few years ago, and recently somebody edited it with the comment that "answers should not be in questions". https://stackoverflow.com/posts/8854421/revisions My reasoning for editing my post was to provide a clean, working function for others who come across the same question ...

 
On the exit there could be a sign saying "Your future place of residence is on the other side of this hallway"
Torture could be done with the trash
 
@E_net4 that's quite a trash fire of a comments section...
Or I mean, it was before $otherMod and I deleted a bunch of the ...trash fierier parts.
 
4:59 PM
It wasn't that bad when I looked
 
You're right, I guess it was more of a smoldering trash heap than an outright fire.
mini-rant: it's frustrating when people make a feature request that I want, but explain it really badly, or have some part of it that is a bad idea.
This is a useful feature request! Mostly! Really it should also support arbitrary-comment-number searches but...
 
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Q: Questions no longer being accepted from an account

c.leblancI don't understand what caused me to receive the message "Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions from your account because most of your questions need improvement or are out of scope for this site." My last message actually received upvotes, so I don't understand why this is happening now. O...

 
5:14 PM
Stirring up trouble by reposting other people's feature requests, but better.
 
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Q: Add a comments:x search operator to allow for searching for posts with a given number of comments

Ryan MIt would be useful, for various reasons, to search for posts with certain numbers of comments. A search operator could allow for searches like comments:0 to search for posts with no comments, comments:1 for posts with exactly one comment, comments:..5 for posts with 5 or fewer comments, or comme...

 
5:32 PM
(and by "stirring up trouble" I mean "being helpful but in a slightly noisy way")
 
 
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7:40 PM
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Q: Could be an irrelevant modification of answer be flagged as a plagiarized answer in the same question?

Leandro BardelliSo I've found this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/21592733/888472 and following, in the same question, this one: https://stackoverflow.com/a/64645886/888472 that only makes an irrelevant modification of a foreach Should be flagged this second one as plagiarized of the first one, even when th...

 
@RyanM "Post has a good score but received delete votes" is the indicator.
 
@NewPosts I also don't see what would be plagiarised.
It's not even a case where you can have two very similar answers because they are based on the same code in the question. The answers are just...well, they do the same thing but the second one isn't an "irrelevant modification" of the first one.
 
Yeah I'm...really not seeing even a clear duplicate answer? I mean, there's a deleted duplicate answer that's pretty blatantly copied...maybe they meant to link that?
 
could be? Or link to another answer? I only looked at the two that were linked.
OK, upon review they are more similar than I initially thought. Still not really plagiarism territory one bit, though. It's just the same way you'd be getting data in .NET/EntityFramework
So, var friends= db.Friends.Where(f=>idList.Contains(f.ID)).ToList(); is the same. Or at least almost the same as the other answer's var friendsToUpdate = await Context.Friends.Where(f => idList.Contains(f.Id).ToListAsync();
But the code after is different. And...around. First answer has the using block. For reference, that's basically like Java's try-with-resources. As in, it cleans up the resource immediately after. The other doesn't have that. Although, chances are it doesn't really matter, it's still not "the same code"
 
8:28 PM
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Q: Inbox notifications not consistently marked as read after clicking title

CodeCasterWhen I click an inbox message on my mobile browser (Firefox with uBlock), the message is not consistently marked as read. I also can't reproduce it consistently, but it seems to happen when I click the title instead of anywhere else. Takes a couple of attempts: marking the top message as unread, ...

 
8:45 PM
Time to play "how many answers to the ChatGPT policy will the moderators have to lock before people stop using them to post random comments about ChatGPT or the policy?"
I just locked one; the question was already locked due to this.
@NewPosts and clicking not the title often marks it read without opening it! you can't win.
 
> I have had to delete waaaay too many off-topic comments.
On one hand, I quite understand that. I have actually followed each and every post, so I get notified for each and every comment. So on this hand, thank you for your service.
On the other hand, lol
 
According to the mod stats, I have deleted 60 meta comments today
 
i just read the comment archive actively, so i never miss a comment
 
It wasn't just on that page, but quite a lot of them were.
 
@KevinB I'll save you the trouble: "ChatGPT will take over SO. Everybody is just AFRAID of that because ChatGPT is such good programmer nobody else can write code like it."
You've now read all new comments in the temporary ban Q&A.
 
8:57 PM
@VLAZ s/not/now/?
 
@RyanM erm, yes
 
waves magic moderator wand
 
I was just going to comment that I like how the new sed feature in chat works.
 
:D
 
9:33 PM
@RyanM I'd actually really like to have a comments search operator - have to resort to SEDE for curation purposes which has well-known drawbacks. Not sure where the pushback comes from.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yeah, also just like, a comments search.
We can search a user's comments, and that's quite useful; imagine if we could search all comments.
 
I've written tools to do that. Sort of anyway
The compute requirement is absurd, but that's mostly on account of sqlite being slow
I find duplicate detection far more valuable
 
imagine if one could just do a... "Find all comments with phrase X" and export to a spreadsheet, do a little filtering, then resubmit the spreadsheet to have all contained comments deleted
 
@RyanM yeah, I'd really love to be able to do that. Various bots sort of help (such as the 4b0's NLN bot), and one can always use SEDE, but it's highly inefficient. Heck, sometimes one only remembers that someone left a comment a couple of years ago they want to reference. Being able to search for it in real time would be a significant improvement.
 
yeah I've, uh, definitely used the mod tools on myself to find a comment that I want to quote...
 
9:42 PM
well, that's certainly mod dogfooding xD
 
is there already a feature request for this? probably best to not post a third question about comment search today, but...at some point. or on MSE.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The current bottleneck with NLN flagging is throughput vs flag availability and QOL features making flagging feasible
 
imagine the disaster if you could flag more than once every five seconds
 
IIRC, we have around 5 users worth of maxed out NLN flags per day, and that's at peak volume
We generally average around 300 per day IIRC
 
9:45 PM
We just don't have enough people flagging comments, and the people who are interested in it are severely bottlenecked by flag availability
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine oh, uh, whoops, that's a dupe of mine
 
per user flag limit?
 
I'll go, uh, close mine.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I meant comment search by text, though
 
given max flags obtained via good flags
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine definitely. Although since many NLN's can be simply nuked in place, I doubt being able to search for comments in real time would increase the number of incoming flags significantly (I may have misunderstood what you wanted to hightight, though)
@RyanM yeah, I stumbled on the "number of comments" one while trying to find whether the "comments by text" search has been proposed before
don't think there is one, though
 
9:55 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The main advantage of search is for mods, because we could use it to detect patterns and bulk delete stuff. Normal users won't benefit as much from it, aside potentially incentivising active comment hunting. The problem there is that there's very few people who do that, because flag limits. It's a lot of effort for little reward and minimal impact
SE's turnaround time on anything has also made it far more beneficial to make homemade tools for comment-related stuff
A lot of comment moderation could be saved by having server-sided warnings and blocks
Just more aggressive blocking of thanks comments alone (with directions to vote instead) would drastically reduce the number of thanks comments. Wouldn't be enough to stop them altogether, but it makes the remnants much easier to deal with
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah. That's why I'd like even a small UX improvement for such actions: resorting to SEDE queries just to hunt down a bunch of comments is quite painful. And yes, having flag limits increased would be very nice too
 
What if, upon clicking "Add Comment", you were presented with three buttons. "Thanks, this helped!", "This <question/answer> needs improvement", and "This isn't useful", and upon clicking either the first or the third, the user is prompted to instead cast a vote
rather than opening up the comment textbox
would be awful for meta
but for everywhere else,
course... if you're the OP of the given post, the buttons wouldn't exist for you
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeea, those would help immensely, but oh well. I am not sure SE will ever tackle this due to the "but... but... what if we block 1 valid comment out of a million invalid?" mindset
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine fwiw, I'll be deleting around 700000 comments in 2023. Maybe more
 
@KevinB comment text could be analyzed to reduce the inconvenience for legit uses too. We are far past the times where the only easy way to show warnings / block submission was to write a regular expression that inevitably ends up an insufficient substitute for NLP.
@ZoestandswithUkraine and the worst part of it being that a couple of simple checks would've prevented the need for such effort
 
10:07 PM
Yep
If I can make further improvements to my workflow and push my average above 3000 per day though, that number will be over a million
 
one could say that their existence isn't worth the effort, but it's no different from vacuuming one's place of residence. Just not to have dirt and dust piling up.
 
But for now, I don't have time for that, and by the time I do, it'll probably be too late to get the average that high without some magic
 
@RyanM btw, I think it would be fair to hammer the "original" request too then
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine exactly, but there's more to it than just thanks comments; there's follow-up noise, there's rep junkie comments, and comments with no value outside the crusade of one person. Getting rid of thanks comment influx would reduce lots of comments, but comments are a breeding ground for all kinds of garbage
 
what if
remove add comment
replace it with, effectively, the options in the SG
 
10:12 PM
Would produce more NAA though
 
i think a "reply" button would still need to exist
as that serves a different purpose than leaving a standalone comment
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine indeed. I wasn't talking only about "thanks" comments, of course. They all fall under the "dirt and dust" category to me :)
 
my thought process there was.. when it comes to comments on questions, they're serving the same purpose as the SG. One doesn't leave a comment on a queston because it's a perfectly asked question, after all, they're there to point out some kind of problem
answer's don't fit those reasons
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yeah probably, especially after their edit. Done.
 
10:17 PM
@RyanM perfect, thanks :) All is right in the kingdom tonight.
@KevinB well, I am not sure that's the case - I can recall at least a dozen times where I commented on a question to provide additional input that doesn't belong as an edit to the question as opposed to pointing out a problem with the question itself.
 
10:32 PM
I occasionally comment with, like, "Related: [link to another question]"
(when it's not a duplicate)
 
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Q: At what point (if ever) is a fact-based question about the behaviour of closed-source software off-topic / not a good fit for SO?

userI recently came across What is VSCode remote doing during the "Downloading with wget" step?. VS Code's remote extensions are closed-source. This question in particular might be answerable by sniffing packets (I don't know enough about network layers and package sniffing to know if that's possible...

 
10:51 PM
feature request: generative-AI integration that turns my vague-thought comments into well-reasoned answers.
I asked ChatGPT and it sucked at it.
 
11:13 PM
@RyanM that too - there are quite a few cases where one might want to comment on a question even if they think it is perfection embodied, IMO
@RyanM try adding "that doesn't suck" to the prompt /s
 
 
However many times something is mentioned has no connection to its truth..unless you're some kind of follower-no-matter-what. That out of the way, people are missing the fact that this is how intelligence itself works. It's how we humans work. The brain is a prediction machine. Check out the work of Jeff Hawkins who pioneered the neuroscience of intelligence and whose work is surely responsible for the boon in AI today. Takeaway: we have to learn to live with the machines; not fight them. So strange to see "programmers" to rebel against the greatest programming feat of humanity. — Dennis H 2 mins ago
^ my brain certainly fails that criteria - can someone explain how does it relate to Makyen's comment above?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine it got...honestly slightly better?
it's still not great, but...better?
 
lol, seems like I need to consider those lucrative prompt engineer positions after all
dang it, wrong room
 
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