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12:10 AM
tumbleweed noises
 
 
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1:32 AM
Friday night. I'm the only candidate here. I'm the only person here. Everyone else must have a social life.
 
I'm here! But not for long... and I'm also a bird.
 
I thought you were some form of stone.
Unless you're a Norwegian Blue, which is both a bird and a stone.
And I'm suddenly unable to get the "B..b..b..bird, bird, bird, bird is the word" song out of my head.
 
I'm trying to fix the user scripts I have that the recent change broke :/
 
@DanielWiddis What kind of bird? Blueslate.
 
I just googled "blue slate bird" and got some sort of turkey...
 
1:46 AM
how many candidates are here?
 
2 candidates are in the room: Daniel Widdis, Ryan M
 
@DanielWiddis nope, there's more of you :)
 
@OlegValter The Chat UI has everyone else "faded" except me... well, and now Slate, Scratte, Electionbot, and you.
So whether Ryan M is "here" may be somewhat like asking whether Schrodinger's cat is alive.
 
It's inside ElectionBot..
 
error - AI not installed
 
1:51 AM
The cat doesn't work as AI? :) Maybe it's dead.. :/
 
You must not know much about cats.
 
Well.. Oleg is a cat. So.. careful now ;)
 
"Here" is such a funny word. Us most simple creatures - can we ever really be said to be "here"?
 
That sounds vaguely what I would expect some creature in Wonderland to tell Alice.
 
Honestly, should coin a phrase to describe it. "Voluntary esotericism": essentially, eliding the expected expressions, elucidating esoteric entertainment instead.
 
2:10 AM
I think my head just exploded..
 
2:41 AM
Hey folks, the hate here is somewhat discouraging.
 
Hey @StephenRauch good to see you here!
 
3:05 AM
The implication that criticism is "hate" is somewhat disparaging.
 
@CodyGray Cody, I feel like I am wise enough to not get in a word a battle with a master writer, but making fun of my name seems petty. Just saying.
 
I don't think anyone was making fun of your name. Someone made a typo, resulting in misspelling your name, and then Adrian tried to correct them in a joking way. I am confident that Adrian did not mean any harm by it. Sometimes, humor falls flat, though.
I actually like your name. And I have a great deal of respect for anyone who uses their real name (at least... I assume it is your real name!) as their identity on the site. That shows a lot of character and integrity, that you stand behind your presence here.
 
Hear hear!
 
 
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4:38 AM
when is the election ending
 
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Where can I find the ballot file?
 
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5:13 AM
hello
 
5:25 AM
Where can I find a Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato sandwich?
 
@DanielWiddis A deli? With the addition of some work, you can find one at most grocery stores.
 
With the addition of even more work, you can upgrade that to a Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato, and Avocado sandwich, which is far superior.
 
@CodyGray The cafeteria in my building offers them and indeed, they are. But they don't share an acronym with a ballot file, so they're off-topic for this chat room. ;-)
 
Hmm, let's see... We need to add some more ingredients beginning with the letters "L" and "O".
Onions, that's an easy one. What else can we add starts with an "L"?
Liverwurst? Is that too unpopular?
 
5:45 AM
@CodyGray Yes, definitely superior.
@CodyGray Let's not go there. :)
 
Limburger? :-)
 
Lamb?
 
So boring
 
Of those, I'd prefer Lamb. :)
Could go generic and just use a loin. Then the person could select the type of meat they prefer.
 
Or you could just put a large anything on it.
Like a large lamb loin.
 
5:59 AM
I'd like a fish loin, please!
 
6:56 AM
@CodyGray The most obvious one: Love
 
I don't know about you, but I've always thought it was somewhere between creepy and disgusting when people/restaurants put things like "love" on the ingredients list.
 
@CodyGray I find it mildly disgusting. But not creepy, I guess.
 
7:30 AM
@CodyGray Using your real name on Internet can also be act of sheer stupidity... just saying... ;P
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Wouldn't be the first stupid thing I've done on the Internet!
 
lol, I never thought that Cody Gray is actually your real name... is it? Wait, don't tell me...
 
Yeah
 
 
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9:09 AM
@DanielWiddis Yep, my social life consisted of a date with my bed
 
Zoe
Mood
 
9:51 AM
@DanielWiddis oh, so you actually meant active candidates :) We actually have a way parsing that info too
 
 
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11:43 AM
@DanielWiddis "Alive" is sometimes debatable, if I'm sufficiently tired. "Here" is much easier to determine.
 
@RyanM Nah, it's a very simple answer for "alive" - it's a yes. There is just 50/50 chance the answer is wrong.
 
@VLAZ I do hope there's more than a 50/50 chance I'm alive in most situations.
 
@RyanM It's 50/50 for the cat. But technically you're either alive or not every single moment, too.
 
While that is true, I do hope to skew the probability distribution toward "alive."
 
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11:51 AM
You can try. I've personally succeeded so far. In fact, not to brag to much about it, but I just reached a personal best streak of "being alive".
 
@ElectionBot Is Ryan alive?
 
reticulating splines
@CodyGray finished reticulating. Probably.
 
Told you. The probability is 50/50
 
objection, your honor - the probability is 1/2!
 
Sustained
 
11:58 AM
Really, the probability that I am currently alive is in fact 50/50, because I am, in fact, alive.
 
We didn't know until you said this right now.
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And even then, you could just be lying.
 
or a bot
 
are you saying a bot cannot be alive?
@ElectionBot alive?
 
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-23 11:52:51Z with 415 seconds of uptime.
 
I guess I could have been recently murdered, and the murderer is trying to throw off the investigation by making it look like I'm still alive by typing on my computer
 
12:00 PM
well, if it acts like RyanM, messages like RyanM, ...
 
Then it's a duck, was that how that went?
 
quack!
 
Hopefully if I get murdered, the murderer won't be able to replicate my snark, and no one will be fooled.
 
Well, if you get murdered and your killer acts exactly like you, then have we really lost "Ryan M"?
 
@VLAZ I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it belongs on Philosophy.SE.
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12:03 PM
:D
 
@RyanM closed as duplicate of "Ship of Theseus"
 
ha
 
 
bahaha
 
@RyanM Hold my beer
 
12:06 PM
@CodyGray Yeah, you could probably pull it off...
 
@CodyGray does the volume of "exceed" include "replicate"?
 
Ryan, I think Cody is going to murder you.
 
Or has already. Impossible to say.
 
how do we know it's not Ryan that killed you?
 
Seems like a lot of effort to run for moderator if I'm already Cody's sock.
 
12:08 PM
Hmm... I have recently become more colorful...
 
...but maybe that's what we want you to think.
 
It's not really hard to run
 
@OlegValter I think I've seen Ryan being wrong. So, if Cody ever is, we'd know.
 
@RyanM well, maybe you waned to have a pair
@VLAZ no comment unless you can enroll me into witness protection program
 
I don't think you're in any danger, @OlegValter
 
12:12 PM
@CodyGray that's exactly what you'd say if I were, though
 
@OlegValter *hands a fake moustache* The program is a bit underfunded at the moment.
 
@OlegValter You think I would lie?!
 
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@VLAZ why would I need a fake one over a real one? [and don't suggest glasses :)]
 
@OlegValter That's what we have. Take it or leave it.
 
12:16 PM
@VLAZ do you at least have a razor? :)
 
Why would you need a razor with a fake moustache?
 
We'll get the funding for that next month.
 
@CodyGray if you were ever wrong, you would :)
 
@CodyGray The FDA agrees with you (search "love")
 
"is considered to be intervening material"
Weird, though, because I've fairly recently bought mass-produced foodstuffs that have nonsense like this on the labels.
 
12:22 PM
Huh. Well, they are doing so at risk of the FDA's wrath.
 
Actually... I just bought a cider not long ago that claimed "crack" as one of its ingredients.
It did, as I would later discover, have an asterisk pointing to a note indicating that it "does not actually contain crack".
 
Maybe they're trying to see if they can get simultaneous FDA and DEA investigations.
 
Might be an effective strategy... start some inter-agency squabbles, delay the process, and escape largely unscathed.
 
Actually, if it's alcoholic cider, that might be legal...the FDA doesn't regulate alcoholic beverages, so the ingredients list isn't required on those.
 
Ah, yeah, it is.
Because... why wouldn't it be?
 
12:35 PM
@RyanM Re-opening. I'd say that the odds at any point in time that someone is alive is tiny.
 
1:14 PM
Guys, where is the fifth candidate? I never saw him there.
 
1:25 PM
When i am coming, all are running away 😁
 
It's saturday, people are doing other stuff
 
@manro the fifth candidate is love, it is always there
 
I'm preparing to watch bellator 269, are you? ;)
@OlegValter love, yee, you should love me ;) i'm feisty, not annoying, haha
 
Zoe
1:50 PM
@Dharman what's an other stuff?
 
2:02 PM
@Zoe Netflix for example
 
Is there a Netflix.SE site, now?
 
@Zoe wish we could send that to some of the folks we catch at charcoal...
 
Zoe
I don't think the mods on Netflix.SE would appreciate having spammers redirected there
 
2:19 PM
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Yes, I got a couple more votes
 
2:37 PM
@Zoe well...spammers need to chill
 
Zoe
Wouldn't that just result in more spammers?
 
Does spamming follow standard Mendelian inheritance?
 
sta
@Dharman I can predict you will win the race
 
Zoe
How optimistic
 
Out of curiosity, on what basis do you make that prediction?
 
2:42 PM
Everybody is a winner! ? :)
 
If I win will I still be able to close so many questions?
 
No.. you'll be handling flags.
"Help Mr. Moderator. Someone minused me"
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I hope that there are better flags than this
 
"Help Mr. Moderator. Someone wrongfully closed a post I had reopened and answered."
I think that was one of the items on the questionnaire :)
 
@Dharman We did have one that was better once.
 
2:48 PM
Please tell us you're looking for the phrasing of the flag :)
 
What was the reason Samuel stopped closing questions?
Was it becasue users were unhappy or did Sam get fed up?
 
Maybe it was too time consuming, and it's my impression users weren't all very happy about it.
 
I don't plan on stopping what I am doing now.
I will keep closing posts and deleting bad ones
 
Sure, but maybe you don't need to close 1000 posts a day.
 
I won't have time to do that many
but a 100 seems reasonable
 
2:52 PM
Wait.. you didn't quit your job to be a moderator?!?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Oh, was that the flag about that Gary Code mod?
 
Those aren't usually flags, they're the posts on Meta.
 
I always miss the good ones :)
 
3:10 PM
@Dharman Do you feel that having binding votes will affect your decisions about which posts to close/delete, or the rate at which you cast votes?
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It's what I have been thinking about for past week
Maybe I will be warier about casting close votes, but I still think that these posts should be closed.
Posts closed by moderators can be reopened
There's always some degree of personal opinion when it comes to closing. Some users might see the question as good enough to be answered others see it as unlear
 
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3:29 PM
Ok, let's have a straw poll. Do you think a mod should close this question or not? stackoverflow.com/questions/69689458/dynamic-link-creation-php
 
@Dharman That's not the right question. It doesn't matter who closes it. The question is if it should be closed or not.
 
The question should be edited for sure. I am not immediately seeing a reason to close the question.
 
Ok, edited. What is the question asking for?
If the question needs to be closed and it doesn't matter who does it then the question asked by Cigien has a simple answer.
 
Why does the question need to be closed? They appear to be asking how to load data dynamically via a GET request and display it as links on their page.
 
Which data? What does it mean dynamic? What is the expected behaviour?
 
3:45 PM
looking at that question, it doesn't seem clear what an answer would look like
also, the source code is in german
 
The question is unclear. "I don't know how to put it all together." is not a good problem description
 
it would look like a way to interpolate their urls with data from the loops
 
I could give an answer explaining how to use http_build_query() but is this what they are looking for?
 
wow. I have never ever used that. cool
 
@Dharman No, my question was very much about who closes it. Take the question you just linked, for example. If it's not an obvious closure, is it really worth the time to discuss it in detail? Mods have the ability to take actions the community cannot, and I think that's what they should focus on. Whether specific questions should be closed, or not, is something the community can hash out. I don't really want mods spending valuable time curating borderline content.
 
3:50 PM
That being said, @Dharman, where's the "you're wide open to sql injection" comment!!!????
la la la
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier I added it now. The GET values are interpolated in SQL so it is unsafe
or maybe not....
hmmm
I deleted the comment. The values are validated it seems so no SQL injection
@cigien I would expect that as a mod I can do more not less. As a normal user I am limited in things I can do on the site. I can't see voting fraud information, I can't see deleted posts without links, I can't see a lot more information that is available to mods. Flag handling would certainly take a lot of time, but the help page states that mods are involved in normal clean up activities too.
I will still be closing posts I believe should be closed
 
I won't be focusing on issues out of my expertise that can be handled by normal users, but I don't want to stop using SO
I will still look through questions in my area of interested and close ones that I feel should not be answered or cannot be answered without input from the asker.
 
@Dharman I think @cigien's point is that time you spend closing questions (much less debating over the closure of questions) is time that you aren't spending investigating and handling voting fraud. So... which do you prioritize? And what do you leave to the community?
 
I don't debate, I close
Closing isn't the goal, it's the result of me looking through PHP tag
 
4:12 PM
@Dharman I do hope you're not serious about that. If you are, that's concerning to me. Have you considered actively spending less time in the PHP tag, or wherever you hang out generally? I know it's not ideal to have to spend less time doing the stuff you like, but that may well be the price you have to pay if you're elected.
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Are you concerned that I won't have enough time to spend on Moderation activities?
This brings us to my initial concern I believe chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/53315549#53315549
 
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@Dharman In part, yes. There's only so many hours in a day, and there's always mod stuff to be done, from what I understand, so I'd like the focus to be on that. (Doing regular curation stuff is fine now and then).
 
There are a few things to remember here: 1. I wouldn't be running for moderator if I didn't think I have enough time to spare to do these tasks. 2. Other moderators do stuff they like and still handle a lot of flags. 3. In the past 2 years, I have clearly shown that I don't focus on PHP questions alone. I tend to spend some time every day looking at moderation activities and other issues.
I wouldn't be the only mod. If there's too much work for the number of moderators available, we don't want them to overwork themselves. We want more mods.
 
Zoe
5:12 PM
how many have voted?
 
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 25,295 (3.03% of 835,330 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
@Dharman I think the fact that a mod was visibly closing so many posts contributed to me being much less enthusiastic about the review queue last year, indirectly leading to much (deserved) criticism of my candidacy.
When I knew it was "the users need to do this" I felt more needed and part of the team and actively attempted to hit my 50-CV limit daily. When I saw a mod catching up, I felt much less critical.
 
And I agree, mods shouldn't take work away from normal users as this makes them less interested in participation
moderation in moderation
 
So I'd say close away on stuff you come across in your normal site usage, but don't try to top the review queue leaderboards.
 
I will definitely not go into the queues much. There are better things I can spend my time on than that.
 
5:17 PM
I'm more interested in what's going to happen to your flagging activity. :)
 
Well, I won't need to flag as much. I will delegate it to a secondary account
 
But you won't be able to handle that account's flags.
 
Why not?
 
Isn't that sock puppetry?
 
it is
but there's nothing in the rules against that. There is even a post on Meta that says mods should do so
 
5:20 PM
Hmm, ok. Glad you've researched this. Curious what would happen if a normal user had 6 sock puppets and submitted spam flags on a post with all of them to trigger the auto-delete.
 
They would get a message from a moderator
You can't do things that you wouldn't normally be able to do with a single account
casting 6 flags on the same posts is an abuse
even casting flags from both accounts on different posts is borderline abuse
Use only one account to cast flags
it doesn't matter whether it's your main or not
 
If you ran a secondary account casting flags - you'd be expected to avoid handling those from a moderator account as it's a little bit of a CoI...
 
Oh is it? What is the interest?
A moderator can do delete posts without handling flags
 
Yes they do... but if case of a secondary account you own and you handling the flags that raises... you're increasing your handling count and increasing the flag stuff on your secondary account...
It's kind of the same as a moderator doesn't handle flags raised on their own posts... there's inherent bias
(the system doesn't stop you doing so - it's just an unwritten rule everyone follows)
So... in the example you cite... you could raise all the flags you wanted on the second account... but as a moderator - you shouldn't be handling them
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So is Bhargav Rao not handling Natty's flags?
 
5:28 PM
I don't know... but as far as I'm aware... Natty's not BR's second account...
 
Are you sure? It says so on the profile. stackoverflow.com/users/6817005/natty
It's certainly not a human
 
nope - it's cooler than a human - it's a puppy :)
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Q: Should moderators run automated bots under their accounts?

TarynThe most recent Stack Overflow election brought up some great new moderators, including Andy, who has for the past ~3 years been running a comment flag bot to automatically flag comments for removal. Since the end of the election, Andy graciously turned off the bot until we determined how best to...

 
I'm not really seeing the conflict of interest by the bot flagging and the human dealing with the flags.
Other moderators can deal with the flags too this way.
 
and there is an audit trail
 
5:37 PM
If the bot is set up to post links in a chat-room, the flags are not being raised, but then the perceived "conflict of interest" is removed..
 
Currently, the flags can be handled by many mods and by LQA queue. If I stop flagging then the expectation would be on a single person to review all reports from the bot.
 
But that is in my opinion bot the best solution. The bot could do both: post the links and raise a flag. The bot owner shouldn't be excluded from handling the flags. Unless.. it's raised on their own posts/comments, where there could obviously be a conflict of interest.
 
Well, yeah
 
This is now a lot of bots work, including Natty.. they post to a chat room and they raise flags when over a threshold.
 
that would be a conflict of interest, but I believe it should be rather rare that I post an NAA myself which then gets flagged by my bot
 
5:41 PM
We want not a lot of bot rot.
 
@Dharman It could happen :) Maybe your bot had a hiccup.. ;)
@Scratte "bot the best solution"?!?.. LOL!
 
Should I ask on Meta what the community thinks?
 
So far.. only @JonClements thinks there's a conflict of interest. Maybe.. a lapse in judgement on a Saturday evening?
The thing you want to consider is: If meta reaches a consensus and gets it wrong.. then Natty would need to go or Bhargav has to stop handing Natty flags. Do you want to risk that?
 
Aren't mods infallible?
 
@Dharman I would vote to close as a duplicate of the earlier post you just cited. :)
 
5:45 PM
Apparently not if they only have three legs ;)
 
That post doesn't explain whether a mod is allowed to handle their own flags
 
@Dharman Not really, though, that post didn't clarify who was .... what you just said
 
I don't see what the pay-off is? I mean boosting their moderator flag count?.. That isn't even public.
 
@Dharman Only when they act as part of the Magisterium.
 
Thought experiment. What if the bot doesn't flag on the site, but instead just generates a list of URLs that you personally visit and close. That makes it more like a "script" than a "bot". I don't think anyone would think that was wrong. So.... is flagging it any different, really?
 
5:48 PM
8 mins ago, by Dharman
Currently, the flags can be handled by many mods and by LQA queue. If I stop flagging then the expectation would be on a single person to review all reports from the bot.
People can do that today, but it doesn't work as not that many people can actually be bothered to actively review these reports (myself included)
 
Maybe Natty should stop flagging posts but continue reporting them? Even now, the Puppy-Bot doesn't flag all posts it reports, and even those it does will likely have flags on them from other users who hang out in the SOBotics room.
 
@DanielWiddis Yes, that was my point (with posting them to a chat room).. and the audit-trail is lost with that solution too.
 
Alternate solution. I start running the bot. I'm a human. I'm not Dharman. Problem solved. Also, I get to up my flag stats for the 2022/2023 election!
 
Yeah, that is possible, but if it is flagged automatically then you can be sure the issue is handled timely. Sometimes there are hours when there's nobody in SOBotics
I think even right now there are 200 unhandled Natty reports
 
{stroopwafels}
 
5:52 PM
@AdrianMole No.. that is not a good idea. When I go and walk Natty on my marathons I find lots and lots of un-handled reports where Natty flagged the posts. If it didn't, those post would be on the site.
Also, Natty's accuracy is very high, so it would only be bad for the site if it stopped flagging.
 
Then, "Houston, we have a problem!"
 
Also, I had it few times that I flagged a post myself and then pressed the delete button. Is this a CoI?
 
@DanielWiddis But that's just silly.. it's not changing anything (It would fix your flag count :-)
But it does prove the point that it's completely irrelevant who the sock belongs to.
 
^ exactly, the flags would still be mine (I wrote the bot and the logic) so you would be only my sock-puppet
 
@Dharman No - that's not a CoI (I have done the same). You're just putting two stones in the bag that sinks the post.
 
5:54 PM
@Dharman There's much more :(
 
Then why is it CoI when I flag using another account and delete using main account?
 
@Dharman I disagree. If I get a copy of your software and run it myself right now, that's two distinct people flagging. We could even double the quota together. Authoring software doesn't make you responsible for anyone else who uses it.
 
@Dharman If you ask the Yellow puppy on a Saturday night, maybe? You're helping yourself to validate your own flag.
 
@Dharman The issue arises if that second account has mod privs.
 
@DanielWiddis I don't think the code is public ;)
 
5:56 PM
@Scratte I've asked this question, several times, in different forms and have not (yet) been advised that it's in any way abusive.
 
@AdrianMole I don't think it is :)
Bhargav!.. Great timing :)
 
or bad timing
 
Haha.
 
... like, currently, I'm both flagging and delete-voting (some) posts in the Late Answers queue.
... because it's unclear to me if the delete-vote, on its own, sends the post to LQA.
 
I don't think it does. I've seen Answers from that queue with a "Recommend deletion" several days after the review.. still on the site, happily just sitting there like it's laughing at us :)
 
6:01 PM
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Zoe
6:22 PM
@DanielWiddis cough cough SOBotics
 
What about it? :)
 
Zoe
Uuum, join SOBotics before SOBotics joins you? :p
 
@Zoe You didn't notice I tp'd a Natty post less than a minute before you said that? I thought you were stalking me there.
 
Zoe
Nope, I'm on my phone making dinner
 
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6:32 PM
@DanielWiddis Maybe Zoe can stalk you while making dinner..
 
@Scratte I'd prefer not to be stalked by people wielding a knife.
 
Dinner would be pasta and olives..
 
Zoe
@DanielWiddis No worries, I can just bring the anvil :p
@Scratte ew
 
6:56 PM
@DanielWiddis Ah but that's half the fun in life
 
@magisch What's the other half?
 
debugging cache invalidation issues
 
I thought it was naming things. Oh well.
 
and the third one is debugging off-by-one errors
 
also when you really like an author and their writing style and you finish consuming all their work and then you kinda move on and some months later you check back and see 2 new books
like a kid that found a new, completely replenished cookie jar
 
6:58 PM
@ElectionBot why are voting positions for moderators 1-indexed instead of 0-indexed?
 
@Scratte \o
Just scrolling through before heading to bed. :)
I had to go through lotsa stuff before flagging using Natty. Had to talk with CMs, mods, and post publicly on meta.
You can do that too!
As long as you have a public trail, you should be fine.
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Zoe
@DanielWiddis Feature request: give us a slot 0 that's an anti-vote :p
 
@Zoe Too confusing. Better to make the anti-vote null. ;)
 
 
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8:19 PM
Can I ask a question?
... it's not about the election, though.
... or should I ask somewhere else?
 
Depends on the question. Though, there's been plenty of off-topic discussion in this room, so it's probably fine :)
 
You've already asked two questions, right there.
 
It's about whether to post another question on Stack Overflow or Code Review...
 
Does your code work? CR. Does your code not work? SO.
 
I think it works but I want to know if it has UB.
 
8:22 PM
Definitely SO then.
 
Hmm.
 
What's UB?
 
Unacceptable Undefined Behaviour.
 
Seems SO appropriate if you are clear about the question.
 
It's related to some other SO questions, where I posted an answer using a pointer_cast function that I wrote. Now, there's a problem and I have a potential solution. Should I post it for potential critique?
See the extended comments/chat here.
 
8:25 PM
Admittedly, you'd probably need to make the request a bit more open-ended than just UB, but...
 
@Makyen That's what I was thinking. Not sure though, as I've not posted or really looked much on that site.
 
If you can point to where exactly you think there might be UB, and why, then it works on SO. If you're asking "is there UB somewhere in the code?", then not so much.
 
If you're concerned about it wrt. topicality on CR, then it sounds like the thing to do is to ask on meta.CR, which will give you the best answers about topicality on CR.
 
Doesn't it require 5 reputation points to post on meta there? Never mind.. association bonus ;)
 
@cigien This (in a function): std::shared_ptr<V> spv = std::make_shared<V>(reinterpret_cast<V>(src)); return *(spv.get()); clang-cl likes it but the MSVC code-analyser says: warning C26816: The pointer points to memory allocated on the stack.
 
8:30 PM
Alternately, find a CR based chat room on chat.SE and ask there, if one exists for general questions.
@Scratte Then do 2 edits. That doesn't seem like a large investment, if you're wanting to ask a question.
 
(cigien knows a thing or two about C++)
If I post on the wrong site (as determined by the community), then migration is possible, is not? Or will that be a "mark" on my otherwise pristine posting history?
 
I didn't realize you'd actually post the question in here, that might be too off-topic :p That's almost certainly a spurious warning from MSVC though, the code looks fine. I'm in the discussion room you created from the linked question btw, if you want to chat there.
 
OK ...
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is underway, and 25,411 (3.04% of 835,344 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
 
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9:50 PM
Only 3% voted ??? Shouldn’t be made compulsory ?? Who doesn’t vote is out of SO ?
 
@pippo1980 a lot of the ineligible population consists of inactive users
so a large proportion of those users are already "out of SO"
 
It’s 3% of the elegible !! I don’t want to carry all that burden alone !! ;-)
Let’s rewrite it: if you don’t vote you can’t complain ??
 
@pippo1980 mistyped, i meant a lot of the eligible population
 
So what is the real sctive community number of SO ?? Just to be sure my 250000 reputation is worth more ;-)
Mean 250000th position
 
@pippo1980 3% seems to be about right for elections on the SE network
 
10:04 PM
There was a post - somewhere - about the percentage of active members who voted last time. It was very high.
 
Well 3% these days... election 5 was ~10%, election 6 ~10% etc...
still a few days left for more votes for this one anyway
Anyway... bed time for me... laters...
 
At the current rate we'll end up with about 29K votes (3.5% of eligible voters)
 
@AdrianMole You should be able to see that for each election. Every prior election back to election #2 should have a statement similar to "72,908 voters were eligible, 45,177 visited the site during the election, 17,866 visited the election page, and 4,994 voted"
 
Indeed, that's useful. But some new, low-rep users (who can't yet vote) could still be considered "active" members.
 
@AdrianMole I think that messages means 45177 users who were eligible visited the site
 
10:15 PM
Anyway, in other news: I just got a new vaper, a new pair of shoes and - finally - a smartphone. Just had my first look at Stack Overflow on a mobile!!!
 
@AdrianMole While that number would be interesting, it doesn't seem all that useful when looking at % of active eligible users who voted. :;
 
But I think that's what pippo1980 was asking about.
 
What you need now is a 3 in 1 vaping pair of shoes that projects Stack Overflow to the nearest when wall you sit down or stand still.
 
I can meld the phone into the sole of one shoe, and just melt the other one to get refills for the vaper?
Still looking for how to find (this) chat on the mobile. Be back in about a week ...
 
I can't believe I edited that multiple times and still got the word order wrong.. :/ Time to sleep.
 
10:24 PM
@AdrianMole The iPhone interface for chat is sorely broken. You can't see what you're typing. The autocorrect hints are marginally helpful.
 
Why can't I see? (Typed from phone)
Well clunky - my fingers are too big!
 
@AdrianMole You have iphone or android?
 
Android - Galaxy A52.
 
On the iphone, the keyboard pops up but the chat screen in the background stays in the same spot, so the keyboard covers the box you type your text in (and the last few chats too)
 
I got a message when I first hit the chatroom that I'm using the "New version of chat." Dunno how new that is, though.
Ooh - Scary. My history on the phone knows my history on my laptop.
 
10:39 PM
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 25,457 (3.05% of 835,358 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
10:51 PM
I think I'll need to learn how to use the phone before I start doing reviews with it. ;-)
 
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