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12:08 AM
@Scratte Unless you're on mobile, then that's understandable
 
I'm not on mobile.. I have no excuse.
 
Who are the candidates?
 
Currently there are 5 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Daniel Widdis, Stephen Rauch
 
@Scratte You were handed one on a plate :)
 
@ElectionBot greet
 
12:09 AM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 23174 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Which candidates have been removed?
 
There are 3 candidates who have withdrawn: Tamás Sengel, Johnny Bones, Shree
 
@JonClements I know. That was nice of Samuel.. but I don't want to pretend..
Here.. have a ball to play with :)
--------> ⚽
 
umm... does it make squeaky noises?
 
@ElectionBot ElectionBot is better at counting candidates than the actual election page:
 
@DanielWiddis The CMs made the appropriate sacrifices to Baal so we're not sure what the problem is
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@Scratte that's one weird looking doggo...
 
@JonClements Yeah, too many legs.
 
@JonClements Look who's talking! :D :D
 
Also, that's adorable. ...although I'm gonna say I don't need a whole minute of that...particular sound.
 
12:20 AM
@RyanM I find it hilarious. I watched it three times. In full :)
 
Yes, well, you have a curious choice of phone ringtone, too...
 
C'mon.. There's at least one other person what has it :)
Based. This is my ringtone now — oguz ismail Jul 19 at 4:46
I may upgrade to this one
 
@Scratte lol!
@RyanM :p
You meanies...
 
If my phone were ever off of vibrate, I might make this my ringtone.
I used to have an extremely annoying ringtone, consisting of various quotes from Navi from Legend of Zelda strung together.
My taste has improved, though. Slightly.
 
12:37 AM
@RyanM But.. that's not really very annoying :)
 
@Scratte Is a ringtone supposed to be annoying?
 
Either that or very funny :)
 
@Machavity wait... we did? I don't have that on my checklist.
 
@Catija The sacrificed is never told..
 
Well, I suppose that makes sense.
Does that mean I'm a lamb instead of a carrot?
 
12:42 AM
No. Baal went vegan..
 
Ah.
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 23194 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
1:09 AM
@Catija You were probably busy with Moloch and GDPR compliance
 
1:21 AM
@Machavity we do have to do our annual GDPR training in the next two weeks...
 
Art
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
- what is Single Transferable Vote?
- what is Meek STV?
 
Art
@ElectionBot who should I vote for?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
1:56 AM
Man this election has been filled with nothing but controversy
 
2:44 AM
@Dharman I'm sorry for the delay. I've been bouncing back and forth between tasks. There are a couple/few which are similar, but the concepts for the answers to the questions have a considerable amount of similarity across the community, so I'm finding it difficult to say "yes, this one", due to the general match with community norms. I'll probably look at it further, but I just need to take a break in general, not specifically due to looking at this.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:45 AM
@Dharman If I were guessing, I'd say 9, maybe 4.
 
#4 wasn't on my list of probables.
 
These are Dharman numbers or Makyen numbers?
 
Dharman numbers.
 
Dharman #4 sounds a lot like what I told George Stocker over and over some time back...
As long as the company isn't actively taking away from us the tools that we need to maintain the site in the way that we want, I am going to see them as an irrelevant irritant, rather than an enemy. I'm not here to help them, I'm here to help the global community of programmers who I know benefit immensely from this resource.
Definitely Dharman #9 is inspired by Makyen #6. Dharman #1 also seems inspired by Makyen #8 and, to a lesser extent, Makyen #3.
 
4:04 AM
#9 was the one which seemed closest to me, but Dharman's also contained unique elements/actions. I agree there's similarities in #1, but, as with much of the questionnaire, the general gist is a common procedure for the community. I wouldn't want to say it's based on my answers specifically.
 
Yeah, there's a lot of commonality with many of our answers. It's almost as if we share some commonly-held values as a community or something. I don't know. Super weird stuff.
 
Yeah, super weird stuff. :)
 
@ElectionBot what is my candidate score
 
@cocomac You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. You are also missing the required badges: Civic Duty, Convention, Deputy, Strunk & White. Your candidate score is 1 (out of 40).
 
I was just testing it
 
4:13 AM
@cocomac that's fine. hope it helps!
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 23299 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Why did Johnny Bones withdraw from the election?
 
@bad_coder You'd have to ask them. It was a voluntary withdrawal, not something done by staff or mods.
 
@CodyGray he looks like a really cool candidate.
 
4:33 AM
What is the link to the election?
 
The information on the 13th Stack Overflow election can be found here
 
Are the Russians manipulating the election?
 
@CodyGray yes
 
Are the Russians sending one ping only?
 
@DanielWiddis sometimes they send pong too!
 
4:46 AM
But never pang or pung
 
@DanielWiddis Well, it is October.
 
@Makyen But we usually do Pink these days, not Red. ;)
(Fun fact: I was a part owner in a racehorse named Pink October)
 
@DanielWiddis Which part did you own?
 
@CodyGray A common question we always asked ourselves. We determined probably the left hindquarters.
 
5:45 AM
@DanielWiddis Sounds like a good conversation starter: "Hi, I'm Daniel. I own the left hindquarters of a horse. The name is Pink October."
 
Heh.
Actually it was pretty fun when we lived in Las Vegas to go to a casino sports book and say "Hey, we own a horse in the Charles Town race 7, can you put it on the big screen?"
Only a slight exaggeration. ;)
 
Probably works better when your horse doesn't lose
 
@CodyGray Indeed it does.
 
The trick is to only do it when the horse wins.
 
Boring to watch a race that's over and won, though
 
5:49 AM
But first past the post races are so exciting! Not like boring STV.
 
New idea for the elections - all candidates race each other. The first two over the finish line are given diamonds.
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I like my chances. I've got long legs.
 
Would cheetahs make good moderators?
 
No, cheetahs are built for quick bursts of action. Moderators need to be in it for the long haul.
 
So, you're suggesting a marathon? Or perhaps just something longer than 100m?
 
5:56 AM
Moderators have pretty diverse job descriptions... Maybe we need a triathlon?
 
how about sack racing?
 
I'm much better at stack tracing.
 
Sack racing sounds uncomfortable
 
Moderators need to cooperate and agree on things, no? How about a three legged race?
 
So does stack tracing
 
5:59 AM
Wait, moderators need to agree on things?
 
We could set a new trend ;P
 
Sounds scary
 
Good night(mare) :) Try to keep your chatter down so the transcript isn't too long :P
 
HAHA
You have started dreaming before even falling asleep.
 
@Scratte Sometimes I forget that you're European, based on when you're online...
I realize that I am one to talk.
 
6:04 AM
@RyanM Me too.. ;)
 
Let's just reclassify ourselves as European, @RyanM
Then we will be normal again
 
Perfect. Or Hawaiian. I think that might suit my sleep schedule better.
 
I'm crushed. did not expect to see plagiarism this election
or any one, for that matter
 
What did you expect to see this election?
 
I myself have definitely gone through other nominations for inspiration but I feel like I would rather hear poorly formed sentences that are real than well formed sentences that are fake. If I want the second I'd listen to politicians speaking
 
6:08 AM
3
Q: Split moderator election nomination phase into private submission phase and public commenting/discussion phase

Mihai ChelaruContext This post is inspired by two controversies that arose during the nomination phase of the current Stack Overflow moderator election. One of them pertains to allegations of plagiarism by one of the candidates in their responses to the moderator questionnaire, and the other to allegations of...

 
@CodyGray some decent nominations :p
 
@cs95 We met that goal, in my opinion!
I would have liked to see more, for sure, but the ones we got were very good.
@SurajRao Huh, that's interesting. The parrot gave a very thoughtful answer, nearly changing my mind. I had previously thought that we obviously should change the system based on our experiences this time around.
 
You're being kind but I suppose you're right
 
Me being kind? Hmm, the pumpkin mask must be confusing you...
 
Maybe it was "You are a kind of squash".
 
6:15 AM
There's a lot of people who've run at least once in the past who didn't get through due to other stiff competition at the time ... they'd definitely have a good shot now
I'd like to see some of those faces make a return
I'm a bit of an old timer so I prefer to look for people I recognise so I can attest to their eligibility personally :p
 
No disagreement on that
 
I also think no changes are necessary fwiw
you can see when someone did one of these things, so you can base your vote on them. I'd much rather have transparency on this rather then have it prevented because it gives me crucial information on how I want to fill out my ballot
Just my personal perspective on it.
 
The change I want to see is less reliance on candidate score, and reputation in particular, as the One Magic Number that determines suitability for moderation.
But...my bias there is obvious ;-)
 
@magisch The only issue is, anecdotally, I've seen a distressing number of comments and chat messages from people throughout this election essentially saying that plagiarism (and other similar offenses of an ethical nature) simply doesn't matter to them, some even going so far as to say that they would (or did!) vote for the candidate because these offenses were brought to light.
 
Eh that's the tragedy of the commons for you
 
6:19 AM
So, basically, democracy problems.
 
no system is invulnerable to that. That's conceptually not a different problem from people voting for joke nominations because they made them laugh or "fight the system" type strategies.
 
Well, yes. But note that joke nominations are removed.
 
What except that no established procedure exists prevents you from removing plagiarising nominations all the same?
 
I mean.. we did.
 
oh, you did?
carry on then
 
6:22 AM
Haha, yeah, check out your "featured on Meta" thingadongdong.
 
:D
Ah i'm not as plugged into that as I once was
 
@CodyGray It says there's an election!
 
Dang, if it doesn't even work for the grizzled vets, how is it going to work for anyone else?
@RyanM Hmm. For what, I wonder?
 
surely it's an election for who is given the shovel to start chipping away at the mountain of manure outside
what strange tidings that people should compete to be janitors - unpaid, no less!
 
@CodyGray I think it's for the person who's going to unfeature that meta post.
 
6:23 AM
:)
 
Also the shovel thing.
 
Haha
 
@magisch Ah, the "horse stable manager", yes I remember now. Luckily, we have here an excellent candidate for that who is well versed in horse hindquarters. And specialises in the left parts of them.
 
wrt the plagiarism, i'd think that would have been an easy decision
 
@magisch To disqualify the nomination?
 
6:26 AM
plagiarizing answers on SO gets you suspended pretty quickly, and users who had been suspended are ineligible to nominate for a year anyways
 
I think agreeing that it was beyond the pale and inherently disqualifying was the easy part of the decision, pretty much universally agreed upon. The tricky part was everything that came after.
 
I honestly expected a short suspension for plagiarising what is essentially an entire large answer on meta, as well.
 
I think the devil's in the details ...yeah, what Cody said.
 
all things considered it seems like y'all handled it well
 
I appreciate the feedback from everyone that we've gotten regarding how we handled it. We did our best, but you never know how it's going to go, and more importantly, how it's going to appear to people who don't have all of the insider information that we did when making the decision.
 
6:29 AM
+1, I think you handled it as well as anyone could fairly expect. I'm sad that it was necessary, though.
 
Well, of course. That is the job of a moderator, though: handling things where everyone is just sad that they're necessary.
 
What exactly "insider" information did you have? Everything was painfully obvious/out in the open. He admitted to plagiarism, and plagiarism = bad. You made a decision.
 
I mean it's not really insider information here for the primary evidence, is it? The majority of the questionnaire was copied from others, that's able to be verified by anyone (who saw it)
 
I suppose that is true. As I said, there was really no question that retraction of the nomination was the right decision. The question was more in how it should be approached/presented to the community and to the person being personally affected. There are considerations that we discussed in private that affected how we decided to handle it.
 
one thing though that meta post has essentially sunk his chances for any future nomination
if he ever nominates again someone will bring it up and it will be what the majority of the conversation will be about
 
6:32 AM
That depends on a number of things, including comment visibility during the election phase.
 
@magisch not sure I agree with that
 
The moderators may not have had a question to the retraction of nomination, but there are some (like myself), that felt it was wrong. I personally think the line is clear: If the user did something that was deemed suspension worthy, then he should have been suspended and his nomination removed. If he didn't do something suspension worthy, then by the rules of the election, he should have been allowed to continue (And stand up to the communities reaction to the issues)
 
Less than a tenth of the voting population has seen the evidence post. Fewer than 500 have seen the featured announcement.
 
Plenty of people were prepared to overlook it this time, and I think I would even be prepared to overlook it in the future, if he were to (A) apologize with contrition and (B) do better.
 
@ughStackExchange I think there is a middle ground between literally suspension worthy and the level of conduct expected from a moderator.
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6:34 AM
Well: This goes along the lines of people being well informed. In a general election, there can be controversy surrounding candidates, and it's up to the voters to make an informed decision
 
Maybe i'm being pessimistic but I don't really understand the dynamic all that well
 
@ughStackExchange Look at it this way: we decided to be kind and not suspend, since the user was already being punished enough by what would inevitably be a public shaming, no matter how hard we try to make it not that.
 
@ughStackExchange The original reason for why people who have been suspended are disallowed from running is because the drama surrounding them has traditionally overshadowed the rest of the vetting process that a moderator election is supposed to be. I feel like this reasoning applies here as well
 
Then suspend the user for a day: And the controversy would have been over
 
@ughStackExchange In a general election, if there is fraud, then it is not unusual or unexpected for the candidate to be disqualified. It doesn't require that the candidate also be imprisoned or something.
 
6:35 AM
A lot of the conversation in this election was centered around this incident, and probably would have been going forward as well.
 
@ughStackExchange Most importantly, the plagiarism prevented the voters from making an informed decision. They believed they were reading the candidate's words, when they were not. There is no way to contact the thousands of people who've already voted and get them to come back and consider how that would affect their decision.
 
@ughStackExchange Not really. Then you could ask whether the rule regarding suspensions disqualifying someone running for moderator applies to suspensions that are levied after the nomination occurs, or only to suspensions in the year prior to the nomination. Anything can be debated endlessly.
 
Also stack exchange is not really a country and doesn't need to be extreme about base democracy when it is unsuitable to the purpose of why they're holding elections to begin with.
 
@RyanM And just like in a real election, people vote for candidates who they may not have all the correct information
It's called being well informed
 
how many people have voted?
 
6:37 AM
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 23,453 (2.81% of 835,085 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
You can look at the view counts on either of those meta posts. It's nowhere near that.
 
idk, like I said, I'm disappointed in what shree did, and that would certainly make me vote differently, but for the mods to step in, and unilaterally make a decision like that, it's unsettling to me, especially in a democratic election
 
@ughStackExchange the problem is... suspension is not a punishment for misdeeds, at least it is not supposed to be. Giving a person that has done a lot for curation over the 10 years they've been there a suspension will not make them learn anything new or reevaluate the behavior, it would be a punishment for punishment sake
 
^^ Correct.
Suspension on Stack Exchange sites serves two purposes: (1) education, and (2) to put an immediate stop to the problematic behavior. The #1 most important thing is, of course, education. But #2 can be important in certain cases, too, like abusive behavior.
 
@OlegValter Well, my point was moot anyway, because the rules say "previously suspended"
So in this case, even if he was suspended for a year
He would still be eligible
@RyanM It wasn't posted that long ago, and people had time to know when the election was coming up, so I feel like if we give it several days, that view count will go up
(Had it still been hot/featured)
 
6:41 AM
I am struggling to grasp what exactly is your point, @ughStackExchange.
You seem to be arguing both sides.
 
No I'm not?
 
well, that's something I would still like to point out that suspending them would be the wrong choice. Especially if that would lead to a loss of a valuable community member over a single transgression. Nomination withdrawal, however, is, in my humble opinion, the best that could happen - it will also save them the humiliation of being vetoed after being elected if they, by any chance, get elected. The withdrawal will also serve as a signpost for what will happen should a candidate be [1/2]
 
My position is quite clear: Moderators shouldn't meddle with existing rules for the democratic process. If you feel things should be changed, bring it up, and let the community decide
 
[2/2] found guilty of plagiarism (well-intentioned or otherwise) as a deterrent for others
 
@ughStackExchange They've always done that though
 
6:43 AM
@ughStackExchange Historically, this hasn't been the case: we know that most users won't even bother clicking a link to go read more from the election page:
Oct 11 at 20:45, by Catija
@Nick 18k views of the questionnaire answers post 32k voters - and those 18k views aren't unique per person, so anyone who viewed it multiple times during the election would have reduced that number. I'd bet that the actual number of unique viewers is closer to 12k, so something like 1/3 of the voters at the most.
 
By removing joke or trumpian nominations
 
Let alone something they have to find in the sidebar later.
 
@magisch Show me one previous case
 
@ughStackExchange That public discussion and decision can end up being cruel to the person being discussed. It's much better that that discussion happen privately by people who are closely watching what is going on and can act compassionately and thoughtfully.
 
how many candidates have withdrawn?
 
6:44 AM
@ughStackExchange Moderators didn't meddle with existing rules for the democratic process. Moderators applied the existing rules, which state very clearly that plagiarism is inappropriate, and that plagiarized content must be removed. Note that the rules do not require a suspension in the case of plagiarism, but they do require us to remove the offending content.
 
Currently there are 5 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Daniel Widdis, Stephen Rauch
 
I remember 2 when I ran in the TWP election in 2019(?)#
 
@RyanM cc @OlegValter wrong response
 
@RyanM yup, noted
 
I think I probably broke it
 
6:45 AM
@CodyGray And removing offending content, also warrants removal of a nomination?
 
point is I have seen staff remove nominations before because they were inappropriate / insufficiently serious
 
Which candidates have been removed?
 
There are 3 candidates who have withdrawn: Tamás Sengel, Johnny Bones, Shree
 
@CodyGray no, I think it just matched the "how many candidates" but failed to also match "withdrawn"
 
Well the questionnaire is part of the nominations
 
6:45 AM
@ughStackExchange I don't see how we could remove the plagiarized material from the site without retracting the nomination, since the plagiarized material was in the nomination.
 
@magisch I removed one in this election.
 
@magisch I think every year in an SO election, sometimes more than one.
 
I bet you removed a few in past elections on other sites as well
 
@ughStackExchange This one (nomination, questionnaire) was removed.
 
I remember a user who would always try to run on a sort of "make stack exchange great again" type platform
I can't remember their name but the rules about suspensions were partly due to them
 
6:48 AM
lol "OK, I got bored with this."
 
I'm pretty sure those rules were created after a SFF election and there wasn't so much a discussion about it as Shog said he was changing things.
 
@CodyGray democracy dies in darkness
 
Yeah, I got a chuckle out of it, too. But it was proper to remove it.
 
@cs95 Pithy, but what exactly is the relevance? Go subscribe to the Washington Post?
 
@ElectionBot help me out here
 
6:50 AM
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
F
 
@CodyGray I really enjoy seeing that message in my extension-applied dark mode...
 
Hahahahahaha
 
You heard it here first, @RyanM is killing democracy
 
my grammatical prowess has lessened considerably, it seems
;)
 
6:57 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is in progress, and 23478 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
if you vote, get the constituent badge, and then undo your votes, do you lose the badge?
 
@magisch Oh, I did not even touch the grammar...
 
I like to think my english grammar is acceptable
 
What's that about nitpicking grammar?
 
We were complaining that you didn't add nearly enough commas.
 
7:03 AM
I've definitely since acquired a much more casual writing style
 
Why, pray tell, hast thou let thineself fall victim to such wretched sloppiness?
 
how many candidates have withdrawn?
 
There are 3 candidates who have withdrawn: Tamás Sengel, Johnny Bones, Shree
 
Because discord is much less formal then stack exchange
I already have to consciously reign in complementary cursing on my part
 
Oh, I have that problem, too.
Ever since someone decided that expletives aren't allowed on SE sites.
 
7:10 AM
tbh in some ways it's more strict then se and in other ways less so
 
The Meta discord or another one?
 
the one I spend most of my time on
so not the meta discord
 
I've added several servers to my Discord membership and I find the moderation of each is very different to each.
 
Yeah discord itself gives servers pretty wide latitude in how they moderate
 
I've added several SE sites to my membership and I find the moderation of each is very different to each. :-)
 
7:14 AM
Although the partnered server program imposes a lot of extra restrictions
 
@Makyen @RyanM @CodyGray It's only Dharman #9 from Makyen #6
 
Like requiring everyone with advanced permissions to enable 2fa, requiring a rule against nsfw content, requiring stricter adherence to the community code of conduct of discord
 
@CodyGray the need for moderation, too.
 
Yeah, I review very differently between SO and Law.
I think I'm probably 50:50 or so between Leave Open/Close on Law. On SO, it's...not even close.
 
I should check out the review queues again while i'm here. I'm guessing a lot has changed in the 2 years since I last did?
 
7:16 AM
Yes, a lot.
Review queues were completely redone.
 
Smaller sites generally afford greater latitude to posts. There's fewer of them, so community members can take more time guiding newer users on how to improve posts.
 
Why does it still say "Candidates: 6" on stackoverflow.com/election ?
 
5
Q: Candidate count has not been updated since one candidate was withdrawn

yiviThe header for the election page still says that we have 6 candidates: But currently we have only 5. I imagine it could be caching, but it's been 8 hours since the change, and it hasn't refreshed still. Either that number should be fixed, or we should add a 6th candidate. Either works for me.

 
ah
 
The answer is: we don't know.
 
7:17 AM
I should search before I ask huh
 
Bug. Probably because there's still six visible on the page.
 
Maybe Catija does!
 
Status review it and we'll send it to yaakov on Monday (Sunday maybe).
 
Kind of needs a decision about whether it is intentional or not before sending it to the dev, right?
It makes a certain degree of sense, since there are 6 nominees listed on the page, even though 1 was withdrawn.
 
It should only count active candidates.
If you can't vote for them, they aren't nominees. Otherwise we'd have 8, not 6. 😛
 
7:20 AM
Oh, I actually didn't notice they were still listed. That's a neat new functionality.
 
I still sense some inconsistency here, though
We either need to have 8 or 5, not 6.
 
We only do that if the candidate was withdrawn during voting.
The visible thing kinds makes sense, even if it's inconsistent.
But I think it should be 5. But I need to go to bed.
 
take care
 
Gunnite cat
 
Hey Bhargav
long time no see
are you still a menace upon the flag population?
 
7:26 AM
The menacingest!
You missed the announcement that he crossed the 500k flags handled threshold
 
Thats a lot of flags
 
Hey magisch \o
Hope you're doing good!
 
It wasn't all in one day
 
Took 2 days, yep.
 
Doing that in 24 hours would mean more then 5 flags per second
 
7:32 AM
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 23526 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Who are the nominees?
 
Currently there are 5 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Daniel Widdis, Stephen Rauch
 
Who has withdrawn?
 
There are 3 candidates who have withdrawn: Tamás Sengel, Johnny Bones, Shree
 
How do I vote?
 
7:34 AM
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
But, who is the best mod?
 
Me
5
 
The stats don't lie.
 
Checks out
 
7:49 AM
seconded
 
@BhargavRao I am, I hope you got through the 20/21 madness alright
 
Yup, thanks! :)
 
Zoe
What are the required badges?
 
The 4 required badges to nominate yourself are: Civic Duty, Convention, Deputy, Strunk & White. You'll also need 3000 reputation.
 
India was kinda battered through. Glad that we're getting things back on track.
 
7:56 AM
No kidding; I was worried about y'all in India! I work with some subcontractors based in India, and almost every person on the engineering team was either themselves affected directly by COVID or had a close family member who was.
 
who could have thought that globalism is so incredibly fragile
It took a single pandemic to bring a lot of it to its knees
 
I don't think it's globalism that is fragile. I think it's people who are fragile. :-)
 
people generally managed better then the companies and governments did
 
Because the people thankfully focused on themselves, rather than on their companies/governments/bureaucracy
 
@ElectionBot what is my candidate score
 
8:05 AM
@cs95 Wow! You have a maximum candidate score of 40! Alas, the nomination period is over. Hope to see your nomination next election!
 
<@
 
I think you have that Postgres operator backwards :-p
 
Zoe
8:23 AM
What happens if a mod runs that command? Asking for a friend
 
@Zoe you can find out in a few days
 
Which command? The Postgres operator?
 
Zoe
:D
 
Or the candidate score command?
 
Zoe
candidate score
 
8:24 AM
What is my candidate score?
 
@CodyGray sorry, you already have a diamond! Just so you know, your score is 40 (out of 40).
 
What is your candidate score?
 
ElectionBot is obviously wrongly programmed
 
It's not my job to please you, no.
 
What if Cody wants a second diamond?
 
8:25 AM
I'll just have to get it on my sockpuppet account, like everybody else.
 
Zoe
@magisch Who says he doesn't already? :p
 
What is the candidate score for user 4099593?
 
@CodyGray The candidate score for user Bhargav Rao is 40 (out of 40).
 
It doesn't know someone else has a diamond. It only knows if you have a diamond.
 
@ElectionBot are you alive?
 
8:26 AM
There will be no more free will, only my will.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Or probably doesn't care
 
A convenient excuse
 
Zoe
If you're checking someone else, it doesn't really matter. If you're checking yourself, you might need a reminder that you're already a mod :p
 
what compelled you to run @Zoe?
 
Be one of the greats!
 
8:33 AM
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is happening at the moment, and 23633 users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
mostly getting my ducks in a row, and getting my motivations sorted out. I had my reasons for not running last year (and I won't mention all of them because reasons:tm:) and I largely had to get those out of the way. I mentioned some of them in my questionnaire (question 4 or whatever; I forget when I'm not looking at it), though part of it was realizing that the value of the content lives on regardless of what shitstorm hits next. I.e. I'm running to contribute to the community, regardless of where the content is hosted. And I really like the community here ^^"
 
Thats fair
 
you're gonna wanna be more careful about your statements though
 
Hopefully you'll get one of the spots and then I wish you well with the bigger broom
 
y'msayin?
 
8:37 AM
Why? With mod privileges, she can just hide all the evidence. (JOKING!)
 
Elected ♦ moderators are essential to keeping the site clean, fair, and friendly by enforcing the Code of Conduct. They are volunteers who are granted additional privileges to handle situations regular users can't, like investigating sockpuppet accounts, suspending users, migrating questions to any network site, and performing post redactions.
 
No, no. Shush, you.
 
Zoe
lmao, that reply from ElectionBot though :p
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Tell that to the aliens.
 
Zoe
@cs95 I know. Always working on that
 
8:40 AM
So, can you show us a picture of your ducks now?
 
Zoe
Sure, but there's a lot of them so a gif is more convenient: i.imgur.com/qzleC02.gif
 
Zoe
:p
 
@Zoe RTFM :)
 
It's not my job to please you, no.
 
8:48 AM
I know, I know, shush, it's my job
 
Zoe
@OlegValter RTFM doesn't apply when "candidate score" was a reply to cody, and not meant to trigger ElectionBot :p
 
@ElectionBot have you read the manual?
 
error - AI not installed
 
Zoe
Speaking of ducks though (not Rick, I promise): youtube.com/watch?v=uYOmtEcZ1lk
 
@Zoe no, no, that's a response to "What happens if a mod runs that command? Asking for a friend" - I spent some time recently documenting the available options for privileged users, the table is literally in the manual
 
8:50 AM
@Zoe I don't have a manual
 
Zoe
@OlegValter ohh
 
There's no manual, only despair
 
@magisch 404 despair not found. Did you mean Zuul?
 
@CodyGray it does know :) But does not care when you request via id/link, @Zoe's right. Probably won't hurt to add something like "but they already have a diamond", though
 
@Zoe Oh, I love that one...I've seen it before, but it's still hilarious.
 
8:55 AM
@Zoe Amazing! Thank you for that!
 
@CodyGray I think the original phrasing was fine. I don't think there's anyone anywhere that doubts the copying itself, since Shree admitted it freely.
 
Yeah.
Definitely don't want to introduce more convoluted phrasing there. I can do a good enough job of that on my own, thankyouverymuch.
 
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